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ksulliv
10-14-2013, 12:08 AM
So I got my winter project that I had been looking for for the last 6 months or so. I made the 1300 mile trip and bought roush's project (you may remember the pictures from the 10 yr old cheese nips sitting on the dash). Anyway, it was pretty much exactly was I was looking for so it was worth the drive. His last last trip out in the boat resulted in a blown exhaust hose and then subsequently 3 broken riser bolts. This is where I took over. Tried everything to get the bolts out..............nothin. Did learn my first lesson though, never use an extractor on a rusted bolt because once you break that off in there, you're screwed! Ended up taking off the exhaust manifolds and letting a machine shop deal with it. They couldn't even get the two bolts out that didn't have the extractor in it so they sent them off to get it burned out, what an ordeal! Last weekend I finally got it all put back together and we took it out for a quick trip to the lake. She ran, and not too bad either. I think the timing is off and the carb needs to be adjusted but overall I was happy that I didn't have to get towed back to the dock. So now she is put away for the winter and the projects will begin. Today I took her off the trailer thanks to the help from this thread:

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=12550&page=17

One suggestion to others who try this, don't use a floor jack, it may move, like mine did, and cause the other hydraulic jacks fall as well. Luckily there was enough trailer under it that it fell back on to it. It's sitting pretty now on foam blocks. This will make it much easier to work on the gelcoat and I can get the trailer blasted and painted while it's off too.

So my first questions. Based on what I've read on here and this site: http://www.fiberglassics.com/restoration/restoring-gel-coat I feel like I have a pretty good idea of what to do on the gelcoat but no one really says what rubbing compound they use. Here are the ones I found, which one do you think will work best? Or does it really matter that much?

3M 09004: http://www.amazon.com/3M-SUPER-DUTY-RUBBING-COMP/dp/B000XBHG2Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381722803&sr=8-2&keywords=3m+marine+rubbing+compound

3M 05955: http://www.amazon.com/3M-05955-Super-Rubbing-Compound/dp/B0015PKMLQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1381722911&sr=8-3&keywords=3m+marine+rubbing+compound

3M 06039: http://www.amazon.com/3M-06039-Finesse--Marine-Compound/dp/B0006BJRH0/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1381722911&sr=8-9&keywords=3m+marine+rubbing+compound

3M 06025: http://www.amazon.com/3M-COMPOUND-HIGH-GLOSS-GELCOAT/dp/B000XBIZSA/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1381723091&sr=8-8&keywords=3m+marine+compound

zsqure
10-14-2013, 01:06 PM
Nice, keep the pictures coming. Love the S&S models,.....any year.

thatsmrmastercraft
10-14-2013, 01:26 PM
Great boat to restore. Love the red flake. Is that a V/M trailer? Looks a lot like mine, though mine has a winch stand.

gweaver
10-14-2013, 02:17 PM
That was the first thing I thought- looks like my V/M as well (minus the winch mount).
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thatsmrmastercraft
10-14-2013, 02:21 PM
Winches were optional on many of the ski boat trailers for years. I seldom use mine.

Mine doesn't have the keel roller either. It is 6 years older though.

tph
10-14-2013, 03:47 PM
That was the first thing I thought- looks like my V/M as well (minus the winch mount).
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I think many of the west coast '83's were put on V&M's without winches.

ksulliv
10-14-2013, 04:33 PM
Yep, it's a V/M trailer. I've never put a boat on a trailer without a winch before last weekend. I ended up doing it myself because it was cold and the person with me didn't want to get wet. It was actually pretty easy!

Hoping my trailer will look as good as tph's when it's done!

JayBrown
10-14-2013, 08:14 PM
Looking good keep'up the good work let us know which cleaner you end up'using

roush611
10-15-2013, 09:56 PM
Woooohooooo glad to see an update. Very interesting about the riser bolts, sorry I passed that headache on, didn't know it was going to be such a pain in the ***. :-/

ksulliv
10-17-2013, 06:50 PM
It wasn't a huge deal. I am expecting that kind of stuff to happen in a 30 year old boat!

Skir68
11-21-2013, 11:41 AM
I just noticed something, I was looking at your speedo pick-ups in the last photo. One of the bases is grey and one is black. We have an '83 as well, and our pick-ups are exactly the same!
One is grey and one is black! I wonder if they came factory that way?? Anyone else find this on their boats?

tph
11-21-2013, 01:05 PM
I just noticed something, I was looking at your speedo pick-ups in the last photo. One of the bases is grey and one is black. We have an '83 as well, and our pick-ups are exactly the same!
One is grey and one is black! I wonder if they came factory that way?? Anyone else find this on their boats?

The originals were grey. I think Airguide changed to black later. You probably have a later model replacement.

83MC
11-21-2013, 02:11 PM
TPH, How well does the trim tab work?

tph
11-21-2013, 07:00 PM
TPH, How well does the trim tab work?

I think it knocks the rooster tail down. Here's a pic @34 MPH.

sethro
11-21-2013, 07:25 PM
Definitely looks like there isn't as much "froth" as the typical wake of that boat.

03geetee
11-21-2013, 08:05 PM
TPH your boat is stunning man!

JTR

83MC
11-22-2013, 10:22 AM
TPH, do you have any pictures of your swim platform? It looks to be solid not constructed with “slats”.

tph
11-22-2013, 11:43 AM
TPH, do you have any pictures of your swim platform? It looks to be solid not constructed with “slats”.

It's a "functional" Platform constructed of marine plywood, fiberglass, and carpet. Not as attractive as teak, but great for slipping into skis, boards or whatever and sliding into the water. I still have the stock platform, which is in great shape from the days when MC had boat contests at the annual west coast reunion.

tph
11-22-2013, 11:58 AM
TPH your boat is stunning man!

JTR

Thank you! I know you know a thing or two about this year and model.

03geetee
11-23-2013, 10:01 AM
I never noticed your rub rail before I really like that, looks beefy too!


JTR

scott023
11-23-2013, 10:04 AM
Thank you! I know you know a thing or two about this year and model.

Beautiful. Looks mint from the pics.

Skir68
11-23-2013, 10:16 AM
Hey TPH, where did ya get that rub rail on your blue S&S? Our boat looks like the Red metal flake one in your bottom pic. I like the all black rub rail. looks very clean.

tph
11-23-2013, 11:16 AM
Hey TPH, where did ya get that rub rail on your blue S&S? Our boat looks like the Red metal flake one in your bottom pic. I like the all black rub rail. looks very clean.

I replaced the OEM three piece aluminum rail with a one piece high impact rail that American Skier was using on their boats in the '90's. In came in a 50' roll and had to be installed with a heat gun. What a project!

Skir68
11-23-2013, 02:15 PM
It looks really sweet! What holds it on?

Skir68
11-23-2013, 02:18 PM
103339

03geetee
11-23-2013, 08:47 PM
More pics man I wanna see more of that ruby lady!

JTR

tph
11-24-2013, 04:01 AM
It looks really sweet! What holds it on?

You can use rivets or screws. I went with stainless screws and used washers and nylock nuts where ever I could get good access to the inside of the hull/deck joint. It's held up great for years.

Skir68
11-24-2013, 08:52 AM
03geetee, if you are on Facebook, checkout The Mastercraft project! We all have extensive pics of our S&S beauties!

Skir68
11-24-2013, 08:56 AM
103342

'83 351 Powerslot, Red Metalflake on sand!

Skir68
11-24-2013, 09:18 AM
103344

New sticker!

EricB
11-24-2013, 09:44 AM
I miss my 83!

Skir68
11-24-2013, 10:46 AM
You can ski with us anytime EricB!

03geetee
11-24-2013, 09:31 PM
103342

'83 351 Powerslot, Red Metalflake on sand!

I'm on that page often, good stuff!

Me and you have the same boats!

JTR

Skir68
11-26-2013, 09:18 PM
I'm on that page often, good stuff!

Me and you have the same boats!

JTR

yep, we should get em together next summer for some pics! We will have to get Peter's 79 too!

ksulliv
12-22-2013, 05:15 PM
Hey all. So I've been back to work on the boat and am working on the gel coat today. The back is one of the worst areas and I can't seem to get out some dark spots. I wet sanded with 800 and then 1000 and then applied some rubbing compound. Most of it looks great but there are dark spots where the deck sits. Do you think those are permanent? The red brightened up great in most areas.

mikeg205
12-22-2013, 06:44 PM
Hey all. So I've been back to work on the boat and am working on the gel coat today. The back is one of the worst areas and I can't seem to get out some dark spots. I wet sanded with 800 and then 1000 and then applied some rubbing compound. Most of it looks great but there are dark spots where the deck sits. Do you think those are permanent? The red brightened up great in most areas.

won't see them when the swim deck is on... :)

ksulliv
12-22-2013, 07:40 PM
For some reason I was thinking some of that would still show, maybe not. I'm just being anal. What about grey in the pic below? It's kinda hard to see but waterline and below is all blotchy. Once again, just being anal since it will be underwater, but if anyone has any ideas to clean it up even more that would be great! Here's one side done up to the point of rubbing compound.

Cloaked
12-22-2013, 07:50 PM
I'd rub that grey out with 2000 grit paper, then compound the paper marks (3M Super), then polish the compound marks (3M extra cut). A certain amount of work but It will bring it back. All part of it....

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ksulliv
12-22-2013, 08:01 PM
OK, thanks. I was just scared that I was going to overdue the sanding.

Cloaked
12-22-2013, 08:10 PM
OK, thanks. I was just scared that I was going to overdue the sanding.
Good looking machine. Seems you're right on track.

I'd leave the transom alone with what you have now (the dark spots on the flake). The platform will cover that but so what if it doesn't cover all of it? Thing about flake is that you can only sand so deep, then the flake comes to surface....

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ksulliv
12-22-2013, 08:14 PM
Yah. For some reason the gelcoat on the transom is super thin too. There were some spots that I could already feel the flake before I even touched it. The dark spots seem thicker but around the decals was thin.

ksulliv
12-22-2013, 08:57 PM
By the way, for people who have had trouble removing decals, the 3M stripe off wheel worked wonders. Those baked on suckers were taking forever with a heat gun and razor blades so I decided to give the wheel a try. I had the whole boat done in 45 min instead of 20 min per star.

BrandonKTM
01-08-2014, 08:58 PM
Thanks guy...just saved me a bunch of time with pontoon decals I'm working on!

cruiser
01-09-2014, 01:28 PM
ksulliv--PM sent

03geetee
01-09-2014, 04:23 PM
Yah. For some reason the gelcoat on the transom is super thin too. There were some spots that I could already feel the flake before I even touched it. The dark spots seem thicker but around the decals was thin.


The dark areas behind the swim platform are just the same on my boat. The fade or lighter areas of the rest of the boat are referred to as gelcoat separation. It is almost like a clear coat over the flake that has oxidized from the underside, and from the top. When you buff the boat in all the other areas exposed to direct sunlight and 30 years of oxidation you are removing only what you can from the top, which helps. The under side where the separation from the flake has occurred cannot be reached unless you sand all the way down to the flake and re clear coat or gel coat the boat.

I learned a lot refurbishing mine from the only guy I trust with a rotary buffer other than myself. He is amazing at what he does and specializes in boats.

Long story short that nice dark color you see behind the swim platform is what the entire boat used to look like and has not suffered near as much oxidation on top, or any separation on the bottom. Trying to buff that out is actually making a good area look worse which wont happen. It is amazing to see how deep and red the flake must have been off the showroom floor. I have gotten her close, but no where near that deep of a red.

JTR

mikeg205
01-09-2014, 09:28 PM
By the way, for people who have had trouble removing decals, the 3M stripe off wheel worked wonders. Those baked on suckers were taking forever with a heat gun and razor blades so I decided to give the wheel a try. I had the whole boat done in 45 min instead of 20 min per star.

got my old decals of in minutes.. this looks too easy to overheat.. Just my opinion...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHKN5_UfDik

ksulliv
01-15-2014, 05:36 PM
Thanks JTR, that's interesting. I can't believe the whole boat used to look like that; oh what the sun can do! I stopped messing with it because it didn't appear to be helping anyway so now I definitely won't touch it anymore.

The stripe off wheel didn't seem to get the gelcoat warm at all. I started at a lower than suggested RPM and worked my way up.

ksulliv
04-05-2014, 06:30 PM
Hey All,

I'm trying to remove the steering column and I'm not sure exactly how to do it. It has a notched out piece that does not allow me to push it through the back of the dash (pic 1). To remove it do I have to take apart the whole helm just to remove the shaft? I first tried to just remove the nut in pic 2 but that didn't work. I stopped there because I didn't want to screw anything up. It's a teleflex system. Thanks!

TRBenj
04-07-2014, 07:38 AM
Remove the key, it did not grow there.

ksulliv
04-07-2014, 12:55 PM
It can't be removed unfortunately.

Chouk
04-07-2014, 01:49 PM
I have a 82 s&s and am trying to reinstall the wood swim platform from a fiberglass that is on it now any help on finding the brackets to mount the platform thank you

tph
04-07-2014, 01:56 PM
It can't be removed unfortunately.

It's probably just being stubborn. Tap a small screwdriver between the key and the groove in the shaft a few times.

ksulliv
04-07-2014, 02:37 PM
I did try that and hit it hard enough to bend the tip of a small screwdriver so it seemed like that notch wasn't made to move. I'll give it another go tonight though.

thatsmrmastercraft
04-07-2014, 02:51 PM
I replaced my entire helm a couple years ago, but I don't remember the order it cam apart. I have all the parts together in the man-cave. I can look at it later today and let you know.

TRBenj
04-08-2014, 07:08 AM
The key comes out, I promise. I've dissected many big-T rotary helms just like yours and that is how they come apart. Really.

ksulliv
04-08-2014, 05:38 PM
Got it out last night. Thank you!