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imyourmaster
10-07-2013, 05:04 PM
I was wondering what the general consensus would be out there regarding tower speakers on a 2008 X2...
Would you rather have 2 Bullet 770 Hollow Point HLCD on the tower OR 4 JL Audio M770 component speakers.
Let's assume that both scenarios are properly amplified to get the most out of each setup.
Let's also assume that we are impartial to whether we achieve LOUD vs QUALITY....we're happy somewhere in the middle. Which way would you go?

craig3972
10-07-2013, 05:39 PM
The Bullets will produce louder upper mid to high sound at very good sound quality (requires 1 amplifier at 250wrms/ch). The JL's driver makes really good and more midbass sound, but the uppermids and highs would be washed out by the bullets HLCD. The JL's require 150wrms each x 4 speakers.

I have run the Bullets for at least 4 seasons now. I like them for a few reasons;
- they fit in the original cans, so I maintain a factory look and forward tower lights.
- I only need 2 on the tower so I am not banging my head on speakers all day
- 2 speakers dont put that much weight on the tower which is nice when the water is really rough.
- They are really loud and clear

Wish they provided more midbass, but they are not 10's - I would have to wear a helmet in my boat if I had Rev10's on the tower

MLA
10-07-2013, 05:51 PM
Do you primarily wake-board or surf/party-cove? Both speakers can be plenty loud, but each is better suited for specific task. The HLCD will give you a narrower cone of dispersion, where as the Coaxial/component speaker will be a wider cone of dispersion.

imyourmaster
10-07-2013, 06:07 PM
Craig3972, I never considered the weight issue...and I agree with maintaining the factory look. Thanks for your feedback.

MLA, we use the boat for both wake boarding and surfing. I'm wondering though if four JLs on the tower would project as well as 2 Bullets...assuming both setups are properly amplified.

tr6coug
10-07-2013, 07:18 PM
How do you think it would sound if you had 2 JLs and 2 Bullets?

gotjag941
10-07-2013, 07:40 PM
Don't waste your money on either buy real tower speakers wet sounds, exile, audio formz something along those lines no point to spend good money on poor sounding gear...IMO

David Analog
10-07-2013, 07:42 PM
A mix of different speakers (one pair conventional and one pair HLCD) is a bad idea. There is a difference in both power handling and output level. So one is going to be under-performing in order to protect the other...or...one is going to dominate the other so that the subordinate speaker is hardly heard. You have to make a decision based on your habits and priorities thereby making and accepting a compromise in some other area.
The JL Audio M770 holds an advantage in near field listening. Warmer. Smoother. Good midbass. The perfect SQ 'at rest' speaker. Plenty of output and projection at surf range. Not enough peak output for projection at wake range, even with four, unless you have an FAE system.
The Bullet HollowPoint is one of the warmer and smoother HLCDs, but it's still an aggressively voiced HLCD, so it places more emphasis on output and projection.
At wake range, comparing one pair of Bullet HollowPoint HLCDs to two pair of JL Audio M770s, slightly favors the two pair M770s in the lower spectrum. Yet one pair of HP 770 HLCDs will deliver a bit more peak output (upper mid/treble) cutting through the noise and distance. Either 7.7" scenario is the minimum required at wake range and pulling without over-driving the speakers.

swatguy
10-07-2013, 08:39 PM
If you are thinking 4 M770 why would you not go 4 Bullets? IF you are concerned about the sound projection at wakeboarding lengths behind the boat the Bullets win hands down. If don't care about hearing the tunes at wakeboarding speeds go with the JL's. The HLCD's are not that harsh at the closer length of surfing if you have a Wetsounds 420 SQ . You can adjust the mids lows and highs to take a bit of the sharpness out of the HLCD speaker at the shorter distances created by surfing. However no matter how hard you try you can't drive those JL's to wakeboarding ranges.

If you plan on listening to tunes at all while wakeboarding that hands down Bullets. Even if its only 2.

craig3972
10-08-2013, 12:10 AM
Don't waste your money on either buy real tower speakers wet sounds, exile, audio formz something along those lines no point to spend good money on poor sounding gear...IMO

Are you from Malibu Crew?

craig3972
10-15-2013, 06:03 PM
David....hello
what do you think about a JL mhd 600 to drive 2 bullets on the tower? 2channels @300wrms?

David Analog
10-15-2013, 06:25 PM
David....hello
what do you think about a JL mhd 600 to drive 2 bullets on the tower? 2channels @300wrms?

Hello Craig,
Well, the MHD600 is conservatively rated. JL Audio was abusing that amplifier in initial tests just to see what it could do and it shut down a 100 amp power supply. So it's a beast. The HD/MHD600 is actually two discrete two-channel amplifiers in one chassis with an independent front and rear power supply (or left to right power supplies once bridged). Also, it's strictly regulated so it will at least deliver its rated power with any reasonable supply voltage. I consider 250 watts per speaker the max for a HollowPoint 770. Would I ever have a problem running that much power on the HP770? Nope. But I wouldn't trust everyone with it. It all depends on how you take care of your possessions.

imyourmaster
10-16-2013, 12:55 PM
Hello Craig,
Well, the MHD600 is conservatively rated. JL Audio was abusing that amplifier in initial tests just to see what it could do and it shut down a 100 amp power supply. So it's a beast. The HD/MHD600 is actually two discrete two-channel amplifiers in one chassis with an independent front and rear power supply (or left to right power supplies once bridged). Also, it's strictly regulated so it will at least deliver its rated power with any reasonable supply voltage. I consider 250 watts per speaker the max for a HollowPoint 770. Would I ever have a problem running that much power on the HP770? Nope. But I wouldn't trust everyone with it. It all depends on how you take care of your possessions.

David, my volume control is installed in an enclosure which verifies me by means of a retina scan followed by a fingerprint scan as added means of security. I have the new 2025 MasterCraft 007... no one has ever managed to blow up anything on my boat...except for the tube! :)

dkidwell
03-19-2014, 09:55 AM
I know this is an old thread but.....I found this on a search and it fits what I'm trying to do with my 06 X15. I currently have 2 amps, a mhd 600/4 that drives the 4 cabin speakers and a mhd 900/5 that drives the sub and two factory JL tower speakers. My first option was to add another set of factory cans with JL's but it's proving too difficult to find and buy a used set so.... I'm now considering replacing the single towers with Bullet hp 770's. My question is will the 900/5 drive the 770's sufficiently bridged or will I need to switch wiring and run the cabins from the 900/5 and the tower speakers from the 600/4?
Thanks!
David

David Analog
03-19-2014, 12:25 PM
I know this is an old thread but.....I found this on a search and it fits what I'm trying to do with my 06 X15. I currently have 2 amps, a mhd 600/4 that drives the 4 cabin speakers and a mhd 900/5 that drives the sub and two factory JL tower speakers. My first option was to add another set of factory cans with JL's but it's proving too difficult to find and buy a used set so.... I'm now considering replacing the single towers with Bullet hp 770's. My question is will the 900/5 drive the 770's sufficiently bridged or will I need to switch wiring and run the cabins from the 900/5 and the tower speakers from the 600/4?
Thanks!
David

The 900/5 is enough power to drive four inboat speakers very well. Just make sure that this particular amplifier is always run into a symmetrical front and rear impedance load. The sub channel is independent and on its own power supply so there isn't a concern on channel 5.
Four channels of the 900/5 bridged into two tower speakers will be about the same amount of power as two channels of the 600/4. Four channels of the 600/4 bridged into two 7.7" tower speakers is a bit rich....although very dynamic. Initial tuning would be critical as would staying disciplined as the day grows long and your ears become fatiqued.
Get with Odin at Earmark Marine for your purchase. He can then walk you through the best tuning procedure. I don't know of anyone who has his grasp of acoustics.

dkidwell
03-19-2014, 01:33 PM
The 900/5 is enough power to drive four inboat speakers very well. Just make sure that this particular amplifier is always run into a symmetrical front and rear impedance load. The sub channel is independent and on its own power supply so there isn't a concern on channel 5.
Four channels of the 900/5 bridged into two tower speakers will be about the same amount of power as two channels of the 600/4. Four channels of the 600/4 bridged into two 7.7" tower speakers is a bit rich....although very dynamic. Initial tuning would be critical as would staying disciplined as the day grows long and your ears become fatiqued.
Get with Odin at Earmark Marine for your purchase. He can then walk you through the best tuning procedure. I don't know of anyone who has his grasp of acoustics.

Thanks for the advice, David. It looks like the more bang for the buck is to go with the Bullet 770's to replace the factory JL's. I wanted to make sure that I had enough amp to drive them. My son is always telling me he can't hear the music while he's wakeboarding. Hopefully this will help!

imyourmaster
03-19-2014, 11:17 PM
Thanks for the advice, David. It looks like the more bang for the buck is to go with the Bullet 770's to replace the factory JL's. I wanted to make sure that I had enough amp to drive them. My son is always telling me he can't hear the music while he's wakeboarding. Hopefully this will help!


Dkidwell, if you decide to go with the Bullets, I have a brand new in the box pair for sale. I bought them and then found two more MC cans with JL speakers.

dkidwell
03-20-2014, 11:44 AM
Dkidwell, if you decide to go with the Bullets, I have a brand new in the box pair for sale. I bought them and then found two more MC cans with JL speakers.

Thanks. I sent you a PM.

dkidwell
03-22-2014, 09:57 AM
Dkidwell, if you decide to go with the Bullets, I have a brand new in the box pair for sale. I bought them and then found two more MC cans with JL speakers.

Not sure if you got my PM. I'll take the speakers for the $450 price you had advertised in the for sale section.