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GKinTN
10-01-2013, 04:42 PM
I've never owned a Mastercraft, though I did own an 1986 Malibu Skier w/351 Ford for about 4 years and it was my first ever power boat. That said, I've decided to seek out a 1991-1994 Prostar 190 and I'm in the Southeast.

Very soon I'll be looking at a Teal/White with Red stipe 1992 Prostar 190 I found for sale about 5-6 hours away. Trying to ballpark the value of the boat, before I make the long drive to test drive and make a CASH offer... Thanks in advance folks!

Pros:
Original owner, so full history possible (as long as owner discloses)
Always stored indoors (well almost always, maybe a couple years in a carport)
560 hours on the original 351 Ford v8, running nice
Claims always fresh water run
Nice interior w/just one seam starting to separate
Gel coat/exterior in "excellent" unfaded condition, though rear letter stickers faded/aged
A few skis maybe thrown in on the deal

Cons:
Pretty sure it is the base 240hp version of the 351 and most likely the 1:1 trans
Minor dock scrape in gel coat, owner claims I would only notice if pointed out
Kill switch not working
Single axle trailer has broken/bypassed surge brake unit, but new tires and repacked bearings, could look rough we'll see.
High asking price (more like 91-94 Stars & Stripes money) but is "negotiable"...

Thanks folks in advance!

mikeg205
10-01-2013, 05:05 PM
any pictures?

GKinTN
10-01-2013, 05:07 PM
Nada...

mikeg205
10-01-2013, 05:17 PM
Without out a pic - no more than 8-10K - no tower - no sound system no pictures... I would go 8... especially this time of year.. pics would give us a better idea.

redoing brakes could cost up to $500-600.

How does it compare to this http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=40193

92 190 PS
10-01-2013, 05:18 PM
Just sold the boat you describe a couple months ago. Mine had the HO 285HP and the 1:1 transmission. Mine was very clean with 650 hours on it. Depending on condition I would say very rough numbers would be $8000 to $12,000 range depending on condition. I would say the lower end is more likely given we're at the end of the season and it needs brake work on the trailer. More towards the higher end if it's clean, trailer was good and you were looking at it in the Spring.

Good luck

mikeg205
10-01-2013, 05:19 PM
Here's a 93 with a tower... asking $10.3K

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1993-Mastercraft-Prostar-190-New-Interior-Corvette-LT1-Engine-/121185958521?_trksid=p2056016.l4276&forcev4exp=true

Boatrader -

high hours...

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1993-Mastercraft-ProStar-190-367640

jamisonsbrodie
10-01-2013, 05:22 PM
In 1992, it had the 285 HP motor.

GKinTN
10-01-2013, 05:42 PM
In 1992, it had the 285 HP motor.

I wonder if it could really be a '91 with the 240hp, or maybe it really is the 285hp.
Owner bought boat new in early '93...

Short of paper work (which the owner should have) how does one tell the 91'-'93 apart?
The '94s being easy I guess with the addition of fuel injection.

thatsmrmastercraft
10-01-2013, 05:44 PM
I wonder if it could really be a '91 with the 240hp, or maybe it really is the 285hp.
Owner bought boat new in early '93...

Ask for the Hull Identification Number (HIN). It will have the manufacture date code. My '77 was titled as a '79 when I got it.

mikeg205
10-01-2013, 05:44 PM
I wonder if it could really be a '91 with the 240hp, or maybe it really is the 285hp.
Owner bought boat new in early '93...

Hull ID?

thatsmrmastercraft
10-01-2013, 05:44 PM
Hull ID?

As usual, way ahead of you Mike. :dance:

mikeg205
10-01-2013, 05:46 PM
As usual, way ahead of you Mike. :dance:

but I can fix that... ;)

Cloaked
10-01-2013, 05:46 PM
The 285 HO was an option. The 240 was standard.

Cheap boats aren't good and good boats aren't cheap....

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GKinTN
10-01-2013, 05:47 PM
Without out a pic - no more than 8-10K - no tower - no sound system no pictures... I would go 8... especially this time of year.. pics would give us a better idea.

redoing brakes could cost up to $500-600.

How does it compare to this http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=40193

That is where I was feeling about it.

thatsmrmastercraft
10-01-2013, 05:47 PM
but I can fix that... ;)

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Cloaked
10-01-2013, 05:47 PM
I wonder if it could really be a '91 with the 240hp, or maybe it really is the 285hp.
Owner bought boat new in early '93...

Short of paper work (which the owner should have) how does one tell the 91'-'93 apart?
The '94s being easy I guess with the addition of fuel injection.Dash configuration is different.

GKinTN
10-01-2013, 05:48 PM
Hull ID?

Is there a hull ID chart on this site or elsewhere for easy reference?

Thanks!
GK

Cloaked
10-01-2013, 05:50 PM
That is where I was feeling about it.
Galvanized trailer on a coastal state. You decide... I am leery of that combination.

Don't sell yourself short over a couple of grand for a solid boat...

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Cloaked
10-01-2013, 05:53 PM
That is where I was feeling about it.
Personally, for a turn key first MC... I'd walk away after this spiel:

Boat Description Has perfect pass speed control originally $1100 Barefoot boom was $400 multiple skis both slalom and pairs thrown in with it. Also has Bimini top . Four blade CNC OJ prop Also has a spare three blade OJ prop with power slot 1.5 to 1 borg warner velvet drive transmission. works perfectly And pulls like a tractor . Was rebuilt about 500 hours ago . New Ford 351 in. engine was put in at two hundred hours ago And is about 285 Horsepower With Edelbrock manifold and Holly 650 Four barrel. Total hours are 1820. Hull has had some Custom modifications done by the dealer that improves handling and wake as well as spray From hull .This boat handles like a Porsche And is a lot of fun to drive ! Has a Pull out Kenwood AM/FM cassette stereo with four waterproof speakers orig $750
Hull condition excellent for this age few minor dings underneath. Have many service records has been well maintained. this is the most desirable hull for slalom skiing and wake boarding when loaded down. Have factory owner manual, freshwater use . Needs nothing mechanically ready to Ski ! if you try it , you will buy it! has custom master craft tie down cover orig.$500

GKinTN
10-01-2013, 06:04 PM
I just found an HID chart.

thatsmrmastercraft
10-01-2013, 06:06 PM
Personally, for a turn key first MC... I'd walk away after this spiel:

Boat Description Has perfect pass speed control originally $1100 Barefoot boom was $400 multiple skis both slalom and pairs thrown in with it. Also has Bimini top . Four blade CNC OJ prop Also has a spare three blade OJ prop with power slot 1.5 to 1 borg warner velvet drive transmission. works perfectly And pulls like a tractor . Was rebuilt about 500 hours ago . New Ford 351 in. engine was put in at two hundred hours ago And is about 285 Horsepower With Edelbrock manifold and Holly 650 Four barrel. Total hours are 1820. Hull has had some Custom modifications done by the dealer that improves handling and wake as well as spray From hull .This boat handles like a Porsche And is a lot of fun to drive ! Has a Pull out Kenwood AM/FM cassette stereo with four waterproof speakers orig $750
Hull condition excellent for this age few minor dings underneath. Have many service records has been well maintained. this is the most desirable hull for slalom skiing and wake boarding when loaded down. Have factory owner manual, freshwater use . Needs nothing mechanically ready to Ski ! if you try it , you will buy it! has custom master craft tie down cover orig.$500

I would have to agree. A boat potentially full of pitfalls should not be on the high end of the price scale. Keep shopping.

scott023
10-01-2013, 06:30 PM
The 285 HO was an option. The 240 was standard.

Cheap boats aren't good and good boats aren't cheap....

.

That about sums it up, IMO.

clrussell
10-01-2013, 06:33 PM
Are you stuck on the 91-94 hull? If not Ive got a 1990 for sale in the classifieds. It originally came from Nashville. Turn key ready to go to the lake.

scott023
10-01-2013, 06:36 PM
Walk, our run. Whichever suits you better. There are lots of boats out there, I'm sure something better will come up before you know it.


Personally, for a turn key first MC... I'd walk away after this spiel:

Boat Description Has perfect pass speed control originally $1100 Barefoot boom was $400 multiple skis both slalom and pairs thrown in with it. Also has Bimini top . Four blade CNC OJ prop Also has a spare three blade OJ prop with power slot 1.5 to 1 borg warner velvet drive transmission. works perfectly And pulls like a tractor . Was rebuilt about 500 hours ago . New Ford 351 in. engine was put in at two hundred hours ago And is about 285 Horsepower With Edelbrock manifold and Holly 650 Four barrel. Total hours are 1820. Hull has had some Custom modifications done by the dealer that improves handling and wake as well as spray From hull .This boat handles like a Porsche And is a lot of fun to drive ! Has a Pull out Kenwood AM/FM cassette stereo with four waterproof speakers orig $750
Hull condition excellent for this age few minor dings underneath. Have many service records has been well maintained. this is the most desirable hull for slalom skiing and wake boarding when loaded down. Have factory owner manual, freshwater use . Needs nothing mechanically ready to Ski ! if you try it , you will buy it! has custom master craft tie down cover orig.$500

Cloaked
10-01-2013, 10:44 PM
...... I've decided to seek out a 1991-1994 Prostar 190 and I'm in the Southeast.
http://nwga.craigslist.org/boa/4093079286.html

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Jerseydave
10-02-2013, 04:25 AM
http://nwga.craigslist.org/boa/4093079286.html

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^^^Go get this! Nice boat for a great price......LT-1 powerslot ProTour. Enough said.

GKinTN
10-02-2013, 12:45 PM
Nice boat for sure! I'm assuming that was a rare engine option at that time. In general (with this era MC 190) about how much "value added" would you say the Corvette LT-1 engine is over the base model 351 Ford? I'm guessing a grand, all else equal?

Cloaked
10-02-2013, 05:33 PM
Nice boat for sure! I'm assuming that was a rare engine option at that time. In general (with this era MC 190) about how much "value added" would you say the Corvette LT-1 engine is over the base model 351 Ford? I'm guessing a grand, all else equal?You're kicking tires.

There is no value added to this hobby. Market value (plus or minus) and that's the best it gets. IMHO, this is not an investment market other than a few loose pennies here and there....

That's a good boat and close by you. Take it or leave it but I'd go look at it if I were a serious buyer.... You can thank me later for taking the time to find it for you and spoonfeed the link.....

The LT-1 is not rare.... not sure where you got that information. It's an option... someone chose to build that boat with the LT-1.

Read up here on the forum and learn a lot. There's more info here than you can possibly read in a month of Sundays.....

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Ben
10-02-2013, 08:40 PM
Lt1 is not "rare", but certainly not as common as std motor. I would target have lt1 anyway if all things were equal. I'd rather have a good condition std engine boat that was taken care of than a trashed lt1 boat. Bottom line, it is a plus, but not a huge premium unless you must have the extra power.

That does seem like a good deal. I think that boat was for sale a year or two ago w a trashed interior. Which is likely why it is new now.

If the hull is good and engine checks out, I agree it is worth more than a good look, seeing how this is what you said you want.

GKinTN
10-02-2013, 08:41 PM
Thank you!

Cloaked
10-02-2013, 08:52 PM
Thank you!You owe me a ride in that new machine... I'm in TN... :):)

east tx skier
10-02-2013, 08:56 PM
The 285 hp motor was the most common in the 92 and 93 models. The stock (250 hp motor) has the benefit of coming standard with a 4160 carb instead of the 4110 that was so problematic and often replaced. I'd rather buy a 351 and add GT40p heads than swap the carb. Cheaper. After that, the horsepower is the same or better since you should probably put an intake in as well at that point.

As for the brakes, its probably in need of a new actuator (guts) and new brake lines. Probably $400-$500 as mentioned. Deals and vinyl will be reproduction. Probably not huge money if it's just in a couple of spots. I'll split the difference at $9,000 on the high end without seeing pictures.

GKinTN
10-02-2013, 10:18 PM
Thanks East Tx Skier. Good thing to know the specific carb #s, I'll look for that when I see the '92 in person I had originally started the thread about. No pics yet I'm just working on a talkative but computer sans original owner on that one.

Just today I found another '94 w/351 very close to home but I'm waiting on more details.

east tx skier
10-03-2013, 11:37 AM
Thanks East Tx Skier. Good thing to know the specific carb #s, I'll look for that when I see the '92 in person I had originally started the thread about. No pics yet I'm just working on a talkative but computer sans original owner on that one.

Just today I found another '94 w/351 very close to home but I'm waiting on more details.

94 will either have a throttle body injected Chevy 350 (275 hp) or an LT-1 (310 hp). No Ford 351s from 94 on.

GKinTN
10-03-2013, 12:17 PM
Thank you. Odd, the owner claims his '94 has the 351. Perhaps it has had a motor change or it's really a '93 or something... It's local so hopefully I'll be able to take a look at that one in person today and see what is up.

thatsmrmastercraft
10-03-2013, 12:21 PM
Pretty simple to tell simply by looking for the distributor location.

GKinTN
10-03-2013, 02:50 PM
Yep, with the Ford its right up top/front. I've owned a Ford 351 Marine, and a Dodge 360 in a van but never any Chevys short of straight 6. That said, I just found some good pics of the 350 Chevy in a 190 to get a quick eye for telling them apart. I ran into one seller of a '94 190 that wasn't sure which motor he had, so that makes me feel a little better haha!

mikeg205
10-04-2013, 12:36 AM
Hull ID indicate 94?

thatsmrmastercraft
10-04-2013, 12:53 AM
Yep, with the Ford its right up top/front. I've owned a Ford 351 Marine, and a Dodge 360 in a van but never any Chevys short of straight 6. That said, I just found some good pics of the 350 Chevy in a 190 to get a quick eye for telling them apart. I ran into one seller of a '94 190 that wasn't sure which motor he had, so that makes me feel a little better haha!

Always good to be one up on the seller.;)

GKinTN
10-05-2013, 09:06 PM
Well, went on boat safari this weekend but turned up boat less.

Update:

Well..... via a change of events it looks like I have found my boat after all. The one I started this thread about, sorry no pics but I have seen it up close in person. More details to follow through on but thanks folks, if all goes as planned I should be on Center Hill lake next spring on nice new (to me) ride!

GK