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TripleThreat
08-26-2013, 11:43 AM
Hello all,

I'm looking for driving tips when pulling new skiers... I just purchased a Prostar 209.

I have two daughters, ages 11 and 13, who are wanting to learn to ski.

Aside from the basics...

Proper body position of the skier
Line the skier up directly behind the boat
Maintain a constant speed
Maintain smooth water by turning and driving back through your previous path rather than drive in circles
etc...


I'm looking specifically for advice on acceleration during deep water starts.

Is it better to start with a slow pull where the skier stays submerged in the water longer and gradually gets pulled up as the boat gains speed, or is it better to get them up on top of the water quickly with rapid acceleration?

I have conflicting thoughts on this as grip strength for the long slow pull might be a struggle for small hands, but a rapid shot out of the water may create more difficulty in gaining balance right from the start.

I searched the web, but couldn't find anything on driving technique as it pertains to starts with new skiers, just advice for the skier on body position.

Jeff

starman205
08-26-2013, 11:53 AM
Hello all,

I'm looking for driving tips when pulling new skiers... I just purchased a Prostar 209.

I have two daughters, ages 11 and 13, who are wanting to learn to ski.

Aside from the basics...

Proper body position of the skier
Line the skier up directly behind the boat
Maintain a constant speed
Maintain smooth water by turning and driving back through your previous path rather than drive in circles
etc...


I'm looking specifically for advice on acceleration during deep water starts.

Is it better to start with a slow pull where the skier stays submerged in the water longer and gradually gets pulled up as the boat gains speed, or is it better to get them up on top of the water quickly with rapid acceleration?

I have conflicting thoughts on this as grip strength for the long slow pull might be a struggle for small hands, but a rapid shot out of the water may create more difficulty in gaining balance right from the start.

I searched the web, but couldn't find anything on driving technique as it pertains to starts with new skiers, just advice for the skier on body position.

Jeff

Slower pull out of the water in my opinion. Your boat has so much pull you will be surprised how quickly young skiers (who typically do not weigh much) will pop out of the water especially on two skis.

russlars
08-26-2013, 12:19 PM
I agree-slow pull until they are out of the hole and then a slow progressive pull up to the desired speed which may be around 20-24mph depending on their size and weight if on 2 skis.

Bert
08-26-2013, 03:06 PM
Slower pull out of the water in my opinion. Your boat has so much pull you will be surprised how quickly young skiers (who typically do not weigh much) will pop out of the water especially on two skis.

Exactly correct.

If you have the old speedos remember they lag quite a bit. Learn to go by RPM. A young lightweight will only need about 2000 rpm to pull them up softly and once settled you can slowly increase and by that time your speedos will be reading.

For the first timers that weigh 80lbs or so on two skis I find they pop up with just a touch of throttle and then I slowly speeed up.

For example, for my son...weighs about 200lbs starting on a slalom skii with both feet in I put in gear and smoothly go to 3000 rpm and he stands up without getting face wet and then add rpm to get to ski speed.

Often see people just pin it and the kid gets up and is accelerating so fast they wipe.

mikeg205
08-26-2013, 04:32 PM
Too bad your not closer - I'd let ya practice on me.. we could swap some thoughts and I could ski for free ;) just sayin...

All good advice here - just take your time ... kids pull out of the water very easy...

JMLVMI
08-26-2013, 04:36 PM
Borrow or buy a barefoot boom. The BEST way to teach people to ski...not only your daughters but their friends, etc. Lets you talk to them from the boat, work on form, etc. before going behind the boat.

Ski-me
08-26-2013, 05:03 PM
Borrow or buy a barefoot boom. The BEST way to teach people to ski...not only your daughters but their friends, etc. Lets you talk to them from the boat, work on form, etc. before going behind the boat.

This purpose was a surprise to me as well and didn't realize how much it helps. I had a little girl, 12 years old, never skied before. She wanted to try out deep water and just couldn't get it to work. Always pulled too hard and then fell back on her bottom. Decided to put her on the boom to get a better feel of skiing and she popped right up. Once she got her balance and figured it out, much more confident. Then, threw her back on the rope again and up she went. Just a great learning tool for kids.

When I'm pulling kids up, I do listen to them on what they think on the pull up speed. However, my rear view mirror is pretty critical. I can watch how they are getting up, judge their balance and then feather the throttle forward when I think they can handle it.

You don't want the be the cause of them losing their balance with the throttle. Slow and steady but watch them too.

TripleThreat
08-26-2013, 06:49 PM
Thanks for the advice. I'm sure I was adding to their difficulties based on what I read here. We will go out again on Thursday evening and give it another go. Hopefully I can do a better job of getting them up and going.

I've only ever pulled experienced skiers, and wake skaters, so this is as much of a learning experience for me as it is for them.

While we all had fun, I'm sure I can make it better for them.

Bouyhead
08-26-2013, 07:17 PM
All great advice so far. I'll add if you have a tower, attach the rope up top, the upwards pull helps. If you don't have a tower try the 28 off loop, takes the bounce out of the long rope. Once they are proficient at the deep water starts you can go back to longline. And the ski handle, Masterline and the bigger company's make very small diameter handles, really helps them get a good grip on the handle. Good luck!!

thatsmrmastercraft
08-26-2013, 07:34 PM
All the right advice is here. No two kids pull up the same way when they are learning. Some need a real slow drag to get going. Low hand strength is the hardest to deal with. I taught an 11 year old and a 14 year old to ski this year. Both required different techniques to get them up. Once they had a couple runs under their belt, all was good. I had the two of them plus three others all up together the next day.

BARE5
08-26-2013, 08:26 PM
As pulling skiers for a show ski team every weekend , around 120 pulls a weekend, a lil more speed is better to get them out of the water. Them back it down to 2000RPM. Skiers position, palms facing down, if arms slightly bent, knees to the chest, eyes looking right over the boat, all will help with alittle quicker pull. Then they will get used to it .

maxpower220
08-26-2013, 08:36 PM
I "teach" proper body position in the boat or on land/dock before getting into the water. Stress using the PFD to maintain body position. I see so many people using their hands to "swim" right before the pull.

Watching the victim (I mean kid/person) on the pull can key you (the driver) into what you need to do: more power, less power, etc. A good mirror and spotter with experience really help a lot.

TripleThreat
08-26-2013, 09:03 PM
I do have a tower, but was pulling off the transom since the boat was pretty full... had 8 in the boat, 3 nieces, 2 daughters, sister-in-law, wife and me...

Didn't really consider pulling from the tower. When we head out Thursday evening, it will just be the wife and kids, so I can put one of the girls in the bow and the wife in the spotter's seat, or both in the spotter seat and pull from the pylon or the tower.

I'm sure that the water will be much smoother on Thursday than it was on Saturday, so that should help a bit too.

The girls had no problem controlling the skis in the water, so I feel pretty good about their ability to get up if I can give them a good pull. They were pretty relaxed and not fighting the skis at all.

Bert
08-26-2013, 10:09 PM
This purpose was a surprise to me as well and didn't realize how much it helps. I had a little girl, 12 years old, never skied before. She wanted to try out deep water and just couldn't get it to work. Always pulled too hard and then fell back on her bottom. Decided to put her on the boom to get a better feel of skiing and she popped right up. Once she got her balance and figured it out, much more confident. Then, threw her back on the rope again and up she went. Just a great learning tool for kids.

When I'm pulling kids up, I do listen to them on what they think on the pull up speed. However, my rear view mirror is pretty critical. I can watch how they are getting up, judge their balance and then feather the throttle forward when I think they can handle it.

You don't want the be the cause of them losing their balance with the throttle. Slow and steady but watch them too.

What he said about the mirror. Forgot to mention that. If you don't have a side mirror get one. When I jump in another boat without one I realize how much I use it to watch the skier and throttle accordingly to what I see the skier doing. I find it much motre difficult to drive well for a slier without that little mirror.

TripleThreat
08-26-2013, 11:23 PM
I do have a mirror and I did notice myself trying to adjust throttle input based on what I saw in the mirror.

I think it will just take some practice.

TripleThreat
08-29-2013, 11:36 PM
Went back to the lake tonight... Success...

My wife got up on her first try and she hasn't skied in over 30 years. My 13 year old got up on her first try. My 11 year old didn't have any success, but she only tried once (she going to have to toughen up a bit).

The smooth acceleration to 2000 RPM was perfect. I then slowly adjusted speed for each of them. I pulled my daughter at about 22 MPH and my wife up to about 28 MPH. My wife even went outside the wake a couple of times.

The water was awesome tonight. We probably will avoid the lake Friday, Saturday and Sunday and won't go back out until late Monday afternoon after all the crazy people leave.

Thanks for all the advice.

Bert
08-30-2013, 02:24 AM
Went back to the lake tonight... Success...

My wife got up on her first try and she hasn't skied in over 30 years. My 13 year old got up on her first try. My 11 year old didn't have any success, but she only tried once (she going to have to toughen up a bit).

The smooth acceleration to 2000 RPM was perfect. I then slowly adjusted speed for each of them. I pulled my daughter at about 22 MPH and my wife up to about 28 MPH. My wife even went outside the wake a couple of times.

The water was awesome tonight. We probably will avoid the lake Friday, Saturday and Sunday and won't go back out until late Monday afternoon after all the crazy people leave.

Thanks for all the advice.

That is awsome:D:D Less is more sometimes with these crafts

mikeg205
08-30-2013, 09:39 AM
When they are ready for slalom there's a training rope you can get for $30... call a deep v

http://www.overtons.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Gladiator-Slalom-Trainer-Ski-Rope&i=44426&str=deep+v+rope&merchID=4005

Skir68
09-05-2013, 11:41 AM
I see you are in the "Midwest". If you live near Minneapolis, We have a boom you can borrow.
there is nothing like being able to watch them up close, take pictures, and talk to them as they are learning! Dryland practice, as you are doing, is a HUGE help!

Skir68
09-05-2013, 12:03 PM
100663

This is our daughter, tricking at 11 mph!