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Foster20
08-12-2013, 08:20 PM
Wondering if someone could offer up some advice on speed, line length, and ballast setup. I have the factory ballast...
We are all beginners (my 4 boys and me), me and my oldest have went w2w but that's as far as we've got. We currently are running 60' of line, and play around w the ballast (took getting use to the pop w it...), set PP at 20mph. Just trying to get opinions on the setup so we can start consistently clearing wake and get comfortable w it. I realize that riding techniques is as important as the setup, if not more, but trying to get dialed in.
Thanks for any help!
-Matt

MI_Corey
08-12-2013, 11:45 PM
Wouldn't worry about ballast much until you are consistent with your w2w jumps. I would speed up to 22 and run the rope at 70'. 60' makes your setup on turn in happen really quick. If you let the line out some you'll be able to feel what's going on more.

Foster20
08-13-2013, 08:09 AM
I will give that a try this weekend.
Thank you

76S&S
08-13-2013, 08:55 AM
10' is alot to move out at once in my opinion. You may want to go to 65 and then 70

Foster20
08-13-2013, 09:03 AM
I started out at 70' and got the feel for it, then I shortened the rope to have a chance at clearing the wake going 20mph, so I'll give the speed an increase along with incremental changes on the rope length.
I did feel like 60' was not giving me enough time to get set up properly on the wake. It was causing some approach issues for sure.

wakeX2wake
08-13-2013, 09:12 AM
line length, speed, and ballast (overall boat weight) can all be considered variables.

you'll want to set the speed to where you/the rider feel comfortable. usally beginners will be slower so the baord will track better but if y'all are getting w2w this shouldn't be considered an issue.

the line length will be important in positioning the rider just in front of the wash of the wake (obviously not in the wash... just in front of the wash is the optimal place to hit the wake for firmness and size given the weighting conditions on your boat). it'll be slightly different on different boats that are weighted differently and rolling at different speeds. you'll be able to play with it and tune it in that what's normal for your setup.

just have fun with it and get comfortable. longer line gives you longer setup into the wake and obviously a wider wake to jump which results in more time in the air to do something cool. most folks ride in the 70'-75' range and this should (behind almost any decent wakeboat) give you plenty to do most any beginner/intermediate level tricks.

Memo
08-13-2013, 10:18 AM
My 12 year old daughter competes at national level and she has been pulled behind virtually every boat under the sun from G-23 to X-Star to Malibu MXZ. She practice’s behind our X1 on her off time and X-Star and G-23 with her a coach. You have couple of options for X1 depending how far you want to take and how much you want to spend;
Option 1: Ideal setup for X1 - 650 lbs. Fly High Pro X Series Integrated Bow Sac on bow, 370lbs. Fly High Pro X Series Tube Sac in the center ski locker and 750 lbs. Fly High Pro X Series Fat Sac on the back lockers. This set up is not intrusive because all the bags are tucked under the seats and still can utilize storage space. With this setup you need to take the factory hard tanks out and replace them with soft 750 lbs. bags. It is an easy swap but requires work. This setup will allow you to surf, wakeboard and ski. X1 likes to be heavy on the bow for clean peaky wake. Next time out, try to put someone on the bow, and as the wakeboarder cutting have someone in the back seat move to the same side as they are cutting you can see immediate change in the wake. Contact wakemakers.com they are the best resource for bags and for setup.
Option 2: If you want to keep your factory tanks try putting 100 lbs. shot bags in the bow and the 370lbs. Tube Sac in the center ski locker this setup will clean up the wake at slow speeds. There are many articles on TT for setup options and installation for X1 and older generation 205V they are all the same hull and virtually same setup.
I would recommend keeping the kids at 60ft - 18 to 20 mph. W2W is a good thing when landing specially on the little knees. You want them to land softly on the ramp of the wake not on flat hard water. As they are getting better pop and better air you can up the speed to 22 and lengthen the line to 65.
Memo

Foster20
08-13-2013, 10:26 AM
Sounds good Memo.
I was just looking at wakemaker.com and I am planning on doing some ballast upgrades this winter. Surfing will also be a need, so I am wanting to do the 750 lb bags in the rear lockers and adding some kind of system to the bow. I don't have the KGB system on mine, so I definately need something in the bow.
Thanks for the input, option 1 will be the setup that I go for.
Memo, does your boat have the KGB? I am a bit concerned on integrading bow weight into my current switches. Having everything tucked away and integrated is a big thing for me.

Memo
08-13-2013, 10:48 AM
I have the 650 lbs. Bow Sac, plus 100lbs of shot, You can never fill the bow to full capacity because seats and cup holders pop up, 370lbs. in center ski locker and 750 lbs. Fat Sac on the back lockers. I run 4 pumps with 4 custom programed timers to each bag. I can fill and drain all at the same time. If you go this route you may think new prop as well. I run ACME 1285 and very happy with it. We love the boat and this hull. She does everything well not the best but well enough to train my daughter and have family fun skiing and surfing.

Foster20
08-13-2013, 11:07 AM
Thanks for the info Memo. I appreciate it. Looks like we need to be trading boat colors for our state teams. lol

Memo
08-13-2013, 11:19 AM
I will post some photos of the pumps and the bags TT member tr6coug (Erik) programed the timers for me and they work awesome. Having 4 pumps works well. Check the for sale section I think I saw Erik selling some timers. You need one additional timer you have 3 timers on the boat already. Boat is wired and ready for KGB pump. All you need is the switch and pump.

Foster20
08-13-2013, 11:45 AM
Sounds good man, thank you!
Pictures would be helpful.

Memo
08-13-2013, 08:06 PM
Here are some photos of my setup
http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/MemoSig/Memo/IMG_1874_zps2051a58a.jpg
KGB Pump

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/MemoSig/Memo/IMG_1875_zps21693364.jpg
Bow bag Pump

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/MemoSig/Memo/IMG_1876_zps9e1d861b.jpg
Both pumps are easy to get to under the back seat cooler. (black bucket)

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/MemoSig/Memo/IMG_1871_zpsddd1df81.jpg
Bow bag

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/MemoSig/Memo/IMG_1872_zps3043763f.jpg
Ski locker bag

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/MemoSig/Memo/IMG_1879_zps7c0ae673.jpg
Stern Bag

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/MemoSig/Memo/IMG_1873_zpsf99ad079.jpg
4 switches controlling the timers and pumps
Memo

Foster20
08-13-2013, 09:48 PM
Thank you for the pictures. It's really appreciated.
I have a bag in my ski locker, not sure the weight.
Does it surf fine w both sides of the bow filled? Thought it was more benefial to have the weight in the bow on the surf side? But I am brand new to surfing and admit my ignorance...!
I have been pleasantly surprised w how helpful everyone has been on this forum. Thx

Memo
08-14-2013, 08:50 AM
The bow bag is "U" shaped you can not fill one side.
http://www.wakemakers.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/400x400/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/l/fly-high-integrated-bow-sac-w711_1.jpg
While surfing fill the back surfside only, ski locker and the bow. X1 likes to be bow heavy. It is not the best surf wake such as X30 but it is OK to have fun. Most ski locker bags are the same long and narrow to fit the space. Bag suppose to hold 370lbs however you can never fill the bag all the way the hatch will keep popping open.
I agree TT folks are bunch of good people with common love for MC. :D
Memo

JRW160
08-14-2013, 01:25 PM
I never had any luck with just the integrated bow sac up and kgb up front. It just wasn't enough weight to offset the 750s in the back. I switched to the larger open bow triangle, and it made a big difference.

I don't know what prop you are running, but you made need a new prop if you upgrade the ballast. My stock prop was a 14x20 and the boat took forever to get on plane. I switch to a 14.25x14.5 OJ, and it's much better.

If the bow triangle is already full, I will leave it up there for surfing. It keep the corner of the platform from dragging and causing the wake to wash. If it isn't full, I usually don't worry about it. It doesn't seem to make a huge difference.

Curtnvelma
08-16-2013, 01:40 PM
This is what we are doing for beginner wake to wake behind a 2002 x-star. My wife has no desire to go faster than 20 mph. So we shortened the total rope length to 44.5 feet including handle. No ballast. Very nice wake. Now that my 8 year old son is starting to learn wake to wake we do the same set up. The only difference is we move some people to the side he is jumping on. This flattens his landing wake out to prevent nasty falls. I find it to be a great beginning wake. My wife has been skiing this wake for years. I hop on it sometimes to try to a new trick without taking the harder falls.

Foster20
08-18-2013, 06:53 PM
Are you using the thin wake boarding cable line? Does anyone know how I can shorten that type of rope? I haven't tried but not sure if I can tie a loop in that type of line. The shortest it goes is to 60'...

clrussell
08-18-2013, 07:27 PM
We had an old wakeboard rope we tied loops in, it wasn't a cable style or coated line. It stayed looped good

Foster20
08-18-2013, 08:57 PM
Y'all having fun at norfork?

clrussell
08-18-2013, 10:51 PM
Yea had an awesome day today and will be back out tomorrow all day if my sunburn from today doesn't keep me down

Foster20
08-19-2013, 08:20 AM
Maybe it won't...
I'm so sore it's challenging to walk from wake boarding Saturday. I'm still going to go out Tuesday evening and take my brother for an evening run.