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Diggerboy
08-10-2013, 09:04 AM
I'm looking to buy a 2006 x45. It's my first boat, but I have a lot of experience on friends boats. I live the the northeast and spend weekends on the New Jersey shore. The boat has an MCX 350 in it. Is the 350 enough power for the boat? Can they be "tuned" up at all?

Diggerboy
08-10-2013, 10:56 AM
Anyone have any feed back on the 350hp? Is it enough?

WakePowell
08-10-2013, 10:57 AM
In an X45 the MCX is marginal. I'd suggest looking for one with at least the 6.0 in it.

scott023
08-10-2013, 11:35 AM
The MCX will do fine in the 45, but if you load it up with buddies and ballast it will be noticeably sluggish. I would look for one that has at least the 6.0 in it.

JLowder
08-10-2013, 12:44 PM
I have a 2011 x-45 with the Indmar 6.0 and wish I had more power. Changed the prop 3 times and still am not that happy. From here on out, I am buying the biggest engine possible in any boat I buy.

Diggerboy
08-10-2013, 01:41 PM
Ok. Thanks. It has 368 hours on it. How long will the motor last? I might get it really cheep.

Thrall
08-10-2013, 03:18 PM
Maintained properly, you should see 1500+ hrs before worrying about any major problems.

thamax
08-10-2013, 03:32 PM
gonna be short on power if u run big ballast

scott023
08-11-2013, 02:35 AM
Ok. Thanks. It has 368 hours on it. How long will the motor last? I might get it really cheep.

Your resale with the MCX is going to suck when you realize its not all that you hoped it would be...

oumiller28
08-11-2013, 02:46 AM
Digger, I have the 08 X-star (much smaller boat) and I have the MCX 350. I wish I had a bigger engine. I would hate to tell you to pass up a nice X-45 with low hours. But IMO that is not enough power to truly enjoy the X-45.

DHPRO
08-11-2013, 09:27 AM
I too feel that more cubes solve most problems...and most problems can be ignored if you have enough cubes to keep SOTP feeling the giddyup! Its all about torq, and that comes with bigger motors...u can always add a blower but that wont get you out of the hole. That said if the deal is good, and you're not buying the boat to do top end cruising, you'll be happy enough for a while. Inevitably you'll want to trade up for more of what you're missing, but at least in meantime it's a step in the right direction.

Diggerboy
08-11-2013, 11:02 AM
So if I decide to go for it what is a good price? A great deal. 30-35k?

scott023
08-11-2013, 11:03 AM
I too feel that more cubes solve most problems...and most problems can be ignored if you have enough cubes to keep SOTP feeling the giddyup! Its all about torq, and that comes with bigger motors...u can always add a blower but that wont get you out of the hole. That said if the deal is good, and you're not buying the boat to do top end cruising, you'll be happy enough for a while. Inevitably you'll want to trade up for more of what you're missing, but at least in meantime it's a step in the right direction.

I don't think you'll find enough air flow to properly cool a blower in an 06 45. Seems to me he'd be better off finding a unit with a bigger motor.

Diggerboy
08-11-2013, 11:10 AM
So if I decide to go for it what is a good price? A great deal. 30-35k?

Diggerboy
08-11-2013, 11:18 AM
My broker has the same motor in his 23' boat and he said its fine. My concern is that I'm used to my sea doo RXTX with 255hp. It rips. But when I'm on the boat I'm not looking to do 0-50 in 2.9 sec and 70 mph.

Diggerboy
08-11-2013, 11:25 AM
My broker has the same motor in his 23' boat and he said its fine. My concern is that I'm used to my sea doo RXTX with 255hp. It rips. But when I'm on the boat I'm not looking to do 0-50 in 2.9 sec and 70 mph.

cbryan70
08-11-2013, 11:25 AM
I've been on a 45 loaded with ballast and people and the boat would not get on plane. Would have to prop it way down is my guess

scott023
08-11-2013, 02:09 PM
My broker has the same motor in his 23' boat and he said its fine. My concern is that I'm used to my sea doo RXTX with 255hp. It rips. But when I'm on the boat I'm not looking to do 0-50 in 2.9 sec and 70 mph.

I didn't say anything about top speed or accelerating. Just said it'll be tough to get on plane with a few friends and ballast full. I have a 45, trust me, the bigger motor the better in this model. I honestly with wouldn't consider buying a 45 with anything less than a LY6 in it.

DHPRO
08-11-2013, 02:38 PM
[QUOTE=scott023;967174]I don't think you'll find enough air flow to properly cool a blower in an 06 45. Seems to me he'd be better off finding a unit with a bigger motor.[/]

I think something can be fabbed up to get airflow over a heat exchanger (I shud look more closely at how Nautique does it), but I'd prob tend to agree its not worth the effort...prob wudnt cost much more to bore it out to 370 or stoke it to a 402/408 even...I actually know nothing about marine cam, valve setup and tuning. I guess there's a reason nobody seems to mod these motors?

Diggerboy
08-11-2013, 02:56 PM
If I got it for $30,000 should I do it then bore it out?

GoinBoatin
08-11-2013, 03:37 PM
Dude this topic has been covered a million times. I just bought my 2006 x46 this year and I got it with the 8.1. With 2300 ballast and all my friends I couldn't imagine having a smaller engine. I don't even think I'd be happy with the ly6. I would strongly disagree getting an x46 with the 350. It wouldn't be worth it to bore the motor out. You will just end up upgrading to a bigger motor in the end. Spend alittle more time looking for one with the big block. I got mine with an 8.1 and 140hrs for not much more then the 35k your talkin about spending.

oumiller28
08-11-2013, 03:40 PM
Power is good, More Power is better, to much Power is just right!!!

or so its been said.

Aric'sX15
08-11-2013, 03:42 PM
30k is a freaking steal!

DHPRO
08-11-2013, 03:59 PM
[QUOTE=Diggerboy;967237]If I got it for $30,000 should I do it then bore it out?[/]

Pretty good price. 8.1 wud be the cats ***, but not easy to find. Keep looking, and wait as long as you can...you can always low ball bid the boat too for being underpowered.

Mastercraftdave
08-11-2013, 04:24 PM
I have a x45 with the 6.2. I run about 2500lbs in ballast and then add people without the automated launch for the tabs I don't know if I would plane out. My 6.2 does a really good job and never really struggles. I'm running the OJ 14.25x 15.25. We tested a 6.0 and with ballast plus 7 people that was pushing it. You can never have to much power. I would have gotten the 7.4 however it wasn't available yet. Small engine on a big boat is not a good idea and won't help with resale value. A deal now might not be worth it in the long run. Just my .02

JFresh
08-11-2013, 06:17 PM
No it's not. You will be disappointed. You need the 8.1 in that boat. That is why it is so cheap.

Diggerboy
08-11-2013, 07:48 PM
Thanks for all the advice. The deal is hard to pass up. I'm going to see if the dealer knows of any upgrades for the 350 tomorrow. The auction is on Tuesday so I need to act fast. If I get it real cheep I could just drop a crusader in it I guess.

scott023
08-11-2013, 11:58 PM
Thanks for all the advice. The deal is hard to pass up. I'm going to see if the dealer knows of any upgrades for the 350 tomorrow. The auction is on Tuesday so I need to act fast. If I get it real cheep I could just drop a crusader in it I guess.

Sacrilegious.:(

rgardjr1
08-12-2013, 02:47 AM
Sacrilegious.:(

That's what Mastercraft put in the salt water series boats in 2006. I really like mine other than ordering impellers from Natique dealers.

Mastercraftdave
08-12-2013, 10:21 AM
I think changing the engine might actually scare buyers off and kill resale. I wouldn't buy a boat without the original engine not to mention to find a crusader available in good shape will cost you about another 10-15k once you pay labor and parts. Save yourself the hassle and find a better deal. Patience is a virtue....

scott023
08-12-2013, 10:59 AM
That's what Mastercraft put in the salt water series boats in 2006. I really like mine other than ordering impellers from Natique dealers.

I think changing the engine might actually scare buyers off and kill resale. I wouldn't buy a boat without the original engine not to mention to find a crusader available in good shape will cost you about another 10-15k once you pay labor and parts. Save yourself the hassle and find a better deal. Patience is a virtue....

I realize that, but I was thinking along the same lines as Dave. I think it will end up costing him a much as housing out and funding a boat with a bigger motor in it.

BMcD
08-12-2013, 01:25 PM
Ok, I will beat the dead horse a bit. I have an '06 X-45 with an 8.1 in it. We tested a number of boats with different engines before making our purchase a few years ago. After our test drives we decided to wait, wait some more, wait even longer, then jump on the boat with the right engine when it surfaced. My sincere advice would be to pass on the boat. The MCX is far too small if you plan on using the boat for what it was built for. Aside from getting out of the hole and having any performance, you will burn significantly more fuel trying to do what you want to do. That MCX will constantly be working. So, what you save at the time of purchase you will easily burn fueling, tuning, upgrading, and replacing the boat.

Just my opinion for what it is worth. 600+ hours on the boat and she still looks and acts new. Oh yeah, and I could still sell it for more than we paid for it because the demand is so high.

If interested, you can catch pics/vids here at our wakesurf company site: Day1 (http://www.day1wake.com)

bjames
08-12-2013, 02:09 PM
In all fairness... If you just want to use the boat to cruise around, lounge around, do some recreational wakeboarding and tubing, then IMO you should be fine. Although most agree that the boat will be underpowered, but that assumes you will be loading it up for surfing, core wakeboarding etc. If you go with the MCX, you may experience some sluggishness under load, but its still going to do what you want it to do. It just may take longer to plane. But that sounds like its not important to you. Expect maximum speed to be in the range of 40-45mph which is typical of most MCs and other wake boats alike.

Sounds like you really want this boat.. go with what your heart tells you. $30K for a large MC IMO is a good price. But the power should be suited for its intended purposes.

Diggerboy
08-12-2013, 09:41 PM
I'm going to start to surf a lot. Wakeboard of course. Tube yes(I have young ones). One the other hand if I don't like the power I could just turn around and sell it for the same or more money. All said and done ill probably have about 37k in it and its a sells for NADA 50k+

2RLAKE
08-12-2013, 09:51 PM
my neighbor has a X45 with the MCX ... just saw him pull up 4 slalom skiers ... does it every years with his kids (~7 through teenagers) ... no one ever says "i wish i had less power" I've driven his boat several times teaching them surfing/wakeboarding ... i really didn't think it was that bad ... agree with bjames

good luck ... help the economy ...got buy it!

TN X-45
08-12-2013, 09:57 PM
Ill weigh in, I have an 08 with the MCX, while it does take a bit longer to plane out with many people on it, someone at MC from the corporate office told me that it has the same low end power curve as the LY6. I also added a 5 blade prop from OJ that really helps with wakesurfing. I add about 1500-2000 lbs and have no issues but only have 1-2 people with me at a time. I was out this weekend with 11 adults and it did have a tough time planing. I had to use the plate to get on plane.

GoinBoatin
08-12-2013, 10:28 PM
If your going to start surfing a lot you will need about 2k in ballast and your most likely going to want to take the family and any of your friends as well. You will regret buying the boat with the mcx if your main priority is surfing. I don't think selling it with an mcx is going to be the easiest thing to do unless your selling dirt cheap and after paying the taxes on it from buying it and the hassle of selling it if you don't. like it would not be worth it in my opinion but to each their own I guess. I would just hate to see someone spend that kind of money and not be sure it's what eh want. Again if you weren't interested in surfing alot you'd probably be fine.

Diggerboy
08-13-2013, 10:02 PM
Boat sold wholesale at just under $40k. Not for me. I'll keep looking.

scott023
08-14-2013, 03:28 AM
Boat sold wholesale at just under $40k. Not for me. I'll keep looking.

There are many of us here that will assist in your search. :D

wilhelmwake
09-10-2013, 01:06 PM
Does anyone here have experience of the x45 SS with the crusader 8.1 HO engine. Des that engine have the same torque as the L18?