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80AM
08-05-2013, 04:03 PM
It's coming

https://www.facebook.com/TheMastercraftProstar

80AM
08-07-2013, 12:14 PM
Youtube video is up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXekQVSl7bg

80AM
08-07-2013, 12:23 PM
The cockpit


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98 Saleen Cobra
08-07-2013, 12:47 PM
Wow the boat is beautiful!

2RLAKE
08-07-2013, 12:49 PM
I want one ... I have volunteered to put one on my dock and test it for MC

Barefoot57
08-07-2013, 12:51 PM
Definatley unique and new. Not much revealed yet, but it looks sharp. However, what happened in the cockpit? Who from CC is doing R&D for MC? Whoof(!); but to each his own! I'm not too worried though, unless I win the powerball tonight, I will never be able to afford a new MC! Overall, good work!!!

carlsonwa
08-07-2013, 01:12 PM
sharp looking boat. Wonder what base price would be on it?

mikeg205
08-07-2013, 01:14 PM
price estimated at high sixties - MC wanted to maintain current pricing. - Heard this from Liquid Edge in IL. FWIW.

beef
08-07-2013, 01:14 PM
To me, this looks like the most interesting part so far...

rkhodges21
08-07-2013, 01:15 PM
sharp looking boat. Wonder what base price would be on it?

$98,000

scott023
08-07-2013, 01:16 PM
$98,000

I highly doubt that number.

captain planet
08-07-2013, 01:18 PM
To me, this looks like the most interesting part so far...

I would agree. There is a lot going on on that running surface.

Goinbroke
08-07-2013, 01:22 PM
Its Beautiful!!
Super excited.
Did you guys see the open bow cover in vid? kinda looked like it was fiberglass? Thoughts?

GREAT JOB MC!

onewheat
08-07-2013, 01:30 PM
Pics from FaceBook - love the optional open or closed bow

rkhodges21
08-07-2013, 01:51 PM
I highly doubt that number.

Just trolling a little 8p

Burdhntr
08-07-2013, 02:18 PM
I need pics or Vids of the wake. Isn't that what we're all most interested in?!

rkhodges21
08-07-2013, 02:22 PM
Wonder how the X series of this hull will look with a tower and how the board and surf wake will be.

CantRepeat
08-07-2013, 02:42 PM
I wonder what the surf wake is like on it.

mikeg205
08-07-2013, 02:47 PM
At 3300 pounds its 750 pounds heavier than my 95 205? 23% heavier? Gonna need a bigger truck... to tow this one.

TxsRiverRat
08-07-2013, 02:49 PM
At 3300 pounds its 750 pounds heavier than my 95 205? 23% heavier? Gonna need a bigger truck... to tow this one.

I bet bc of the weight that the tracking in the slalom course is better than our 205s and better than the current 197...

thatsmrmastercraft
08-07-2013, 04:01 PM
At 3300 pounds its 750 pounds heavier than my 95 205? 23% heavier? Gonna need a bigger truck... to tow this one.

1100 pounds heavier than my '77:rolleyes:

chriscraftmatt1976
08-07-2013, 04:14 PM
I'm surprised everyone is loving it so much. Cockpit looks nice, bow cover is kind of a neat idea, but I HATE the pickle fork bow. Hate it. At least on the wake boats it adds to bow space. Maybe it'll grow on me...

Ryan
08-07-2013, 04:18 PM
At 3300 pounds its 750 pounds heavier than my 95 205? 23% heavier? Gonna need a bigger truck... to tow this one.

I wonder how much the bow cover weighs. More metal than plastic for switch panels, ski racks etc and gel'd floor add a few pounds. 750 is a lot more than the net of those parts though. I suspect the sides of the hull are quite a bit thicker than my '93 had.

thatsmrmastercraft
08-07-2013, 04:23 PM
Love this shot.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1148801_10151536379141761_130427558_n.jpg

Hoosier Bob
08-07-2013, 04:31 PM
I am going to have to sort of disagree.:confused:

captain planet
08-07-2013, 04:37 PM
Love this shot.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1148801_10151536379141761_130427558_n.jpg

From where did you get that photo?

TxsRiverRat
08-07-2013, 04:38 PM
From where did you get that photo?

He's out skiing with me this afternoon

thatsmrmastercraft
08-07-2013, 04:38 PM
From where did you get that photo?

:rolleyes:

thatsmrmastercraft
08-07-2013, 04:39 PM
I am going to have to sort of disagree.:confused:

Trying to let it grow on me.

captain planet
08-07-2013, 04:40 PM
:rolleyes:

Oh, playing my game huh? ;)8p

Hoosier Bob
08-07-2013, 04:43 PM
Same here, I will give it time. dash looks very nice. Head on shot running looks great on the other thread. Zero spray. I do not get the 3300 lbs fully optioned unless that counts the trailer! Maybe I am old school or just old.Trying to let it grow on me.

chriscraftmatt1976
08-07-2013, 04:47 PM
Hate the windshield too. Uuuuuugly.

CantRepeat
08-07-2013, 04:49 PM
But what kind of surf wake does it have??

thatsmrmastercraft
08-07-2013, 04:59 PM
Oh, playing my game huh? ;)8p

It can be entertaining. http://www.7thgenhonda.com/forum/images/smilies/dunno.gif

sully
08-07-2013, 05:17 PM
To me, this looks like the most interesting part so far...
Back to four blades again...

93Prostar190
08-07-2013, 05:27 PM
Pickle fork ties it to the rest of the product lines .... much like the accents on the side of the boat .... I love that MC cares about the look of their product .... more than I can say about a lot of the other Inboard companies ... the Pickle looks good to me ..... ... the windshield looks awesome too ... I am more interested in the reports from the shortline, wake, jump, and trick side of things ... those will be the folks that help with the reputation of this beast .... the running surface with steps caught my eye as well ..... I wonder if it will lean more from pull or turning ... bye bye flat bottom?

chriscraftmatt1976
08-07-2013, 05:37 PM
Wake definitely looks good.

jpage
08-07-2013, 06:21 PM
Same here, I will give it time. dash looks very nice. Head on shot running looks great on the other thread. Zero spray. I do not get the 3300 lbs fully optioned unless that counts the trailer! Maybe I am old school or just old.

That does include the trailer!

Hoosier Bob
08-07-2013, 06:23 PM
Repost http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXekQVSl7bg

onewheat
08-07-2013, 06:35 PM
I'm surprised everyone is loving it so much. Cockpit looks nice, bow cover is kind of a neat idea, but I HATE the pickle fork bow. Hate it. At least on the wake boats it adds to bow space. Maybe it'll grow on me...

I really love the small pickle fork - I realize it is only for aesthetics, but I think it looks really slick!

Hate the windshield too. Uuuuuugly.

I didn't even notice the BTS windshield on it - I don't think they look bad, but I don't think I'd get one - it's probably an option though and it would allow for a boom, I guess - if that's your sort of thing.

LaRue
08-07-2013, 06:39 PM
Am I the only one who wishes the unveiling color was blue? I know I am in the minority but I just can't get as fired up about the color red as the color blue. That said, I'm sure the boat is great.

DooSPX
08-07-2013, 06:51 PM
Am I the only one who wishes the unveiling color was blue? I know I am in the minority but I just can't get as fired up about the color red as the color blue. That said, I'm sure the boat is great.

No! I would love to have seen a blue prostar!

mcparadise
08-07-2013, 06:51 PM
I had a removable/liftable bow cover with seats under it on an old Maxum outboard I bought in Japan. I heard there are removable seats under it, and it's not just for storage. Anyway, it was a bear to remove and replace, i.e., it took two guys because it was heavy and getting the alignment right was super hard. One of the hinges ultimately broke and during a typhoon it blew off and my search and rescue diving practice did not find it....hope all these things are not true for this new MC...

wheeler
08-07-2013, 07:42 PM
I think the new boat looks great. I love everything about it so far, especially the option for the close/open bow! I Think there will be many out there who will appreciate not taking 10 gallons of water over the bow due to a ripple in the water......

CantRepeat
08-07-2013, 07:57 PM
Any one of you heros got a story on the surf wake yet?

scott023
08-07-2013, 08:38 PM
Any one of you heros got a story on the surf wake yet?

I'm told its superior to Nautiques ski boat. Just need a couple of Johnny's ladies on board with you.

DemolitionMan
08-07-2013, 08:43 PM
Great looking boat!

Eagle
08-07-2013, 09:24 PM
Love the look of the boat.

Does it have a surf system like the Nautiques NSS?

JohnE
08-07-2013, 09:29 PM
Any one of you heros got a story on the surf wake yet?

I tout the first request about it was a joke.

MCVOLS
08-07-2013, 10:10 PM
I tout the first request about it was a joke.

I heard that when you buy one, MC reserves the right to take it back if you attempt to surf with it.😉

Skipper
08-07-2013, 10:23 PM
I heard that they made the PS 197 out of parts left over from the X 46...

captain planet
08-07-2013, 10:34 PM
I heard that when you buy one, MC reserves the right to take it back if you attempt to surf with it.😉

Exactly. If you are a surfer you have given up and this boat is not for you.

88 PS190
08-07-2013, 11:02 PM
Exactly. If you are a surfer you have given up and this boat is not for you.

It should surf exactly like all the other DD ski comp boats - you need more weight than you'd like to have, and you need ballast in the back and the bow, and it will have a wave - not a great wave. But a wave.

JMLVMI
08-07-2013, 11:08 PM
Any one of you heros got a story on the surf wake yet?

I think your location should be changed to "Troll Tide!!" :D

mzimme
08-07-2013, 11:15 PM
A V drive version of this boat at 20 feet with a tower and plumbed ballast in the 70-75k range would be on my radar in the future.

swatguy
08-07-2013, 11:21 PM
They already make it. Sport Nautique 200V.

Hahahaha


In all seriousness tho how heavy do you think that bow portion will be. My floor section weighs a ton. With it being two sections like that I can see water getting through there....Overall I like the looks an the graphics. Just don't get the pickle.

mzimme
08-07-2013, 11:22 PM
They already make it. Sport Nautique 200V.

Hahahaha

Haha... amen.

d2jp
08-07-2013, 11:55 PM
I wonder if the 'petite-pickle fork' might both help break up the flow of water headed over the bow, add a touch of bouyancy and help prevent bow dunkings. Or...maybe the designer thought it looked cool..who knows. I think it's a hot looking boat from all angles I've seen:)

d2jp
08-07-2013, 11:56 PM
It took me from 1989 to 2011 to buy a 1989 Prostar...let me do the math here....

AlbertaSurfer
08-07-2013, 11:58 PM
Exactly. If you are a surfer you have given up and this boat is not for you.

Umm, given up what? Did MC give up with the release of the X46 then?

JMLVMI
08-07-2013, 11:59 PM
A V drive version of this boat at 20 feet with a tower and plumbed ballast in the 70-75k range would be on my radar in the future.

Is this not the PS214V? Or the X-10 in a few years? :D

rodltg2
08-08-2013, 12:06 AM
The short line wake was already good on the 197. The issue was the long line and slow speeds which other ski boats are much better. The 15-28 at 34 sucks compared to the cc and carbon pro. No experience withe the txi as I haven't seen one at a tournament.

I like it so far. I'm betting its dialed in. Can't wait to ski it next season.

Bouyhead
08-08-2013, 08:13 AM
Is there an analog option for the dash, and any pics of the rear seat/trunk/stepover?

chriscraftmatt1976
08-08-2013, 08:22 AM
I heard that when you buy one, MC reserves the right to take it back if you attempt to surf with it.😉


:):):):)

Hammer
08-08-2013, 09:30 AM
Is there an analog option for the dash, and any pics of the rear seat/trunk/stepover?

Inquiring minds want to know.

flya750
08-08-2013, 11:46 AM
"Okay... I have a question about this new open bow/closed bow concept? In the closed bow mode... what is storage like? Aren't there seats under that cover? How effective of a storage area will it be? If it is not effective storage as the traditional closed bow then I have to question this concept a little. Is this option something that MC did to save them money on production costs, I wonder? As a closed bow bigot I admit I am encouraged by the option of increasing my seating in the Prostar but @ the expense of losing all my traditional storage? I'm not sure the option would be worth it to me. (Items I currently store under my closed bow, life jackets, blankets,towels, anchors(2) spot lights(2),paddle(never used , multiple ropes,skis, heatercore, fire extinguisher, tool kit, anything else guests bring on the boat that we want to keep dry.) So that list is long and distinguished...how will that all fit in this new option bow concept?"

jk13
08-08-2013, 12:00 PM
"Okay... I have a question about this new open bow/closed bow concept? In the closed bow mode... what is storage like? Aren't there seats under that cover? How effective of a storage area will it be? If it is not effective storage as the traditional closed bow then I have to question this concept a little. Is this option something that MC did to save them money on production costs, I wonder? As a closed bow bigot I admit I am encouraged by the option of increasing my seating in the Prostar but @ the expense of losing all my traditional storage? I'm not sure the option would be worth it to me. (Items I currently store under my closed bow, life jackets, blankets,towels, anchors(2) spot lights(2),paddle(never used , multiple ropes,skis, heatercore, fire extinguisher, tool kit, anything else guests bring on the boat that we want to keep dry.) So that list is long and distinguished...how will that all fit in this new option bow concept?"

It's been posted here and in the press release that the front seats are removable.

TxsRiverRat
08-08-2013, 12:14 PM
The 15-28 at 34 sucks compared to the cc and carbon pro. No experience withe the txi as I haven't seen one at a tournament

Anyone that can't complete the slalom course behind the current 197 can not blame the boat, the wake or anything other than themselves, the conditions or the driver. The current 197 skis awesome at all line lengths and speeds.

Fix the form, not the boat

flya750
08-08-2013, 12:50 PM
Oh Okay... well that would help with the storage.. Thanks for the info!

It's been posted here and in the press release that the front seats are removable.

rodltg2
08-08-2013, 01:13 PM
Anyone that can't complete the slalom course behind the current 197 can not blame the boat, the wake or anything other than themselves, the conditions or the driver. The current 197 skis awesome at all line lengths and speeds.

Fix the form, not the boat

tell that to the junior skiers who ski at 26-30.

no need to worry now anyway, they changed the boat!

smiller
08-08-2013, 01:26 PM
tell that to the junior skiers who ski at 26-30.

no need to worry now anyway, they changed the boat!

I agree with this statement as the parent of a Boys1 skier. My son really dislikes skiing behind the current TT. He'll get over it soon enough, but it is a very valid point. He prefers the 23-28mph wake on our 1998 "deathstar" Prostar. That's saying something.

TayMC197
08-08-2013, 01:34 PM
Anyone that can't complete the slalom course behind the current 197 can not blame the boat, the wake or anything other than themselves, the conditions or the driver. The current 197 skis awesome at all line lengths and speeds.

Fix the form, not the boat

Agreed, can't say the boat sucks at the 15-28 off, because if you ski there you suck. So to stand up and say I'm at 15 off, I suck at skiing. Then again I've skiid behind several boats of different years and models. Nothing wrong with the 197. The 197 isn't the reason why I'm at 15 off, it's me. I enjoy skiing behind my boat very much. I've seen many people comfortably hit the course at these longer lengths just fine and enjoy the pull. Sorry to those if I took away the only reason why you suck as skiing but its time we faced the fact that its not the boat. Maybe it's the rope, or ski, of the water conditions, weight it's the pickle fork now.. Lol


The seats on the new prostar supposedly come out. So that would make for more storage. I cover my bow in rough water to reduce water coming in and when I'm pulling it down the highway.. Road junk is easier to clean of a bow than upholstery.

TxsRiverRat
08-08-2013, 01:42 PM
I agree with this statement as the parent of a Boys1 skier. My son really dislikes skiing behind the current TT. He'll get over it soon enough, but it is a very valid point. He prefers the 23-28mph wake on our 1998 "deathstar" Prostar. That's saying something.

I won't open that can of worms re: the 98 PS190.... :D :D :D :D

Agreed, can't say the boat sucks at the 15-28 off, because if you ski there you suck. So to stand up and say I'm at 15 off, I suck at skiing. Then again I've skiid behind several boats of different years and models. Nothing wrong with the 197. The 197 isn't the reason why I'm at 15 off, it's me. I enjoy skiing behind my boat very much. I've seen many people comfortably hit the course at these longer lengths just fine and enjoy the pull. Sorry to those if I took away the only reason why you suck as skiing but its time we faced the fact that its not the boat. Maybe it's the rope, or ski, of the water conditions, weight it's the pickle fork now.. Lol

You're 100% right... I skied a 197 a few weeks ago. I could not tell the difference between my 205 and the 197... Perhaps it's focus... I know even with a 22' off bump behind my boat, I am just fine as long as the form is correct...

Quinten
08-08-2013, 02:21 PM
http://waterskimag.com/uncategorized/2013/08/08/mastercrafts-new-prostar-lives-up-to-the-hype/

some more pictures
and isn't that the old style rudder on pic 3??? :s

Damn the wake is flat :D

jmac197
08-08-2013, 03:55 PM
http://waterskimag.com/uncategorized/2013/08/08/mastercrafts-new-prostar-lives-up-to-the-hype/

some more pictures
and isn't that the old style rudder on pic 3??? :s

Damn the wake is flat :D
How about the old school rubber flappers?

thatsmrmastercraft
08-08-2013, 04:06 PM
How about the old school rubber flappers?

Nice to see, but maybe temporary?

Quinten
08-08-2013, 04:32 PM
How about the old school rubber flappers?

we still have them on a 2012 x2.

But that rudder is starting me to thinking.

http://waterskimag.com/files/2013/08/TOD1567.jpg

Mastercraft13
08-08-2013, 04:54 PM
How about the old school rubber flappers?

That's what is on the 2013's now.

CantRepeat
08-08-2013, 04:57 PM
Is the bullet style strut gone?

j2nh
08-08-2013, 05:01 PM
Looks nice and other than the dash I am impressed. Having the speed control integrated into the display on the lower right is fine and really improves forward vision and if all you do is ski the course it will be great. Different story if you drive skiers without speed control and need to constantly take your eyes from where you are going to the speedo on the display. Huge drawback on the SN 200, sorry to see MC followed the same design path.

19_Skier
08-08-2013, 05:44 PM
I won't open that can of worms re: the 98 PS190.... :D :D :D :D



You're 100% right... I skied a 197 a few weeks ago. I could not tell the difference between my 205 and the 197... Perhaps it's focus... I know even with a 22' off bump behind my boat, I am just fine as long as the form is correct...

Yeah, Yeah we've all heard the same things "stay on edge and you'll be fine", try telling that to a kid who is just learning to slalom at 19 - 22 mph, even at 26 mph my prostar has a significant wake. It takes time, practice, coaching to get good form and trying to learn that when you are hitting a larger wake is definitely a deterrent. Fact remains, the prostar wake at longer lines and slower speeds was not in the same ballpark as its competition. I really hope they have addressed that because I love my MC and want my next upgrade to be a 2014 - of course, that isn't likely to happen until about 2025 ;)

Ryan
08-08-2013, 07:15 PM
Yeah, Yeah we've all heard the same things "stay on edge and you'll be fine", try telling that to a kid who is just learning to slalom at 19 - 22 mph, even at 26 mph my prostar has a significant wake. It takes time, practice, coaching to get good form and trying to learn that when you are hitting a larger wake is definitely a deterrent. Fact remains, the prostar wake at longer lines and slower speeds was not in the same ballpark as its competition. I really hope they have addressed that because I love my MC and want my next upgrade to be a 2014 - of course, that isn't likely to happen until about 2025 ;)

To be fair the 197 was designed as a 3-event boat. The whole trick skiing industry needed a good boat to...all 26 of them. ;)

jpattigr
08-08-2013, 08:35 PM
Was down at Predator Bay today and hand a real good look at the new boat. All the pro's and local's skiing it were impressed!! Great looking boat in person and very well thought out design!! Happy MC has a new tug boat for us skiers!!
PS Nate and Will both skied 5@41 today in tough conditions!!

Double D
08-08-2013, 08:43 PM
Reverse Gel twins!!

scott023
08-08-2013, 09:02 PM
Was down at Predator Bay today and hand a real good look at the new boat. All the pro's and local's skiing it were impressed!! Great looking boat in person and very well thought out design!! Happy MC has a new tug boat for us skiers!!
PS Nate and Will both skied 5@41 today in tough conditions!!

I agree with others... Needs the transom decals.

georgea0731
08-08-2013, 10:12 PM
I originally like the pickle fork on the x star, but it just doesn't look normal. I guess I'm old school too. What about a back seat? It looks its a pure ski boat.
I do love the convertible front. I want a 190, but the wife wants the open bow. Now we can have both. I'd like to see one in black and reversed black. If anyone sees one in black, please post the pictures. I too hope its got a good to great wake at slower speeds. How does it ski for the NON pros?

19_Skier
08-09-2013, 01:27 PM
Quote below from Ball of Spray from a member who skied behind one of the new boats at Predator Bay yesterday:

"I skied behind the new Prostar today, and talked to a bunch of other skiers lucky enough to be part of this release.

- The dreaded MasterCrest wake at 22 off is gone, or at least it's a LOT smaller and softer as is the 28 off version of this bump.
- I talked to a 30mph skier who is used to our club Prostars, and he described the wake at 30 mph as "feeling like little more than washboard." Skiers working their way up the speedo are going to like this boat.
- The trough at 35 off and shorter is way shallower, and there's significantly less spray.
- We have the big motor in our club boats, but they don't accelerate nearly as well as this new boat.
- The new boat is significantly quieter than the old boat but retains a wonderful V8 sound. I'd say it's as quiet as a 200, but far more "soulful," if that makes sense. In fact, I'd rate it the best sounding tournament boat ever, balancing a nice rich sound with low volume. Bull's-eye!
- Most of it's cool features have been already covered in this thread, but I'll add that it looks better in the flesh than in pictures. I wasn't too moved by the look on paper, but it looks beautiful in person. Even the pickle-fork front end, which wouldn't be my first choice, turned out to be just fine in person.

All in all, this boat is a worthwhile and significant upgrade. The pull was rock solid and the wakes were a non-issue. Oooohh how I wish I'd been fresh because I liked skiing behind this boat!

I can frame this another way. I own a CC200, and a CC196. Our club uses two current ProStars, and I train regularly with a coach who uses Malibu. Despite my limited and compromised experience today, I feel safe in saying that this new ProStar will reshuffle the deck."

jamisonsbrodie
08-09-2013, 02:15 PM
The more pictures I see of this boat, the more I like!! Love the stern area. No rear seat for this guy.

mikeg205
08-09-2013, 02:21 PM
Raw ski boat only.... I understand... driver and observer and corrective ballast when skier and coach only - for private lakes...

fskof
08-09-2013, 02:26 PM
What is that located on the right side? Is that for a engine flush?

jamisonsbrodie
08-09-2013, 02:32 PM
Yes, considering this boat will be used on many different lakes, makes it easier to flush it out to avoid the transfer of invasive species.

I wouldn't be surprised to see all promo boats with this.

fskof
08-09-2013, 02:36 PM
Yes, considering this boat will be used on many different lakes, makes it easier to flush it out to avoid the transfer of invasive species.

I wouldn't be surprised to see all promo boats with this.

What a great and simple idea!

CantRepeat
08-09-2013, 06:47 PM
Someone should tell Marcus to get tighter jeans or wear a belt. He might be mistaken for a criminal. :D:D

Bouyhead
08-09-2013, 06:55 PM
I'm ecstatic that they ditched the trunk and all that vinyl. The more pics I see, the more I'm diggin' this boat.

thatsmrmastercraft
08-09-2013, 07:33 PM
I can't wait to see a Stars & Stripes edition.

mikeg205
08-09-2013, 07:49 PM
I can't wait to see a Stars & Stripes edition.

Jsut got this from their website :rolleyes: - goin' retro ;)

TxsRiverRat
08-09-2013, 07:49 PM
You couldn't add this to one of the other two threads on the boat.....


LMAO :D

chriscraftmatt1976
08-09-2013, 08:12 PM
Jsut got this from their website :rolleyes: - goin' retro ;)

R those stars photoshopped on? They look a lil funny...

The lines of the boat don't lend themselves to an s@s design. Unless in the back they did a red stripes flying, like on a 30th anniversary. That might look cool.

rodltg2
08-09-2013, 08:14 PM
R those stars photoshopped on? They look a lil funny...

The lines of the boat don't lend themselves to an s@s design. Unless in the back they did a red stripes flying, like on a 30th anniversary. That might look cool.

Photoshop ? No way....no one does that on this site.

mikeg205
08-09-2013, 08:16 PM
R those stars photoshopped on? They look a lil funny...

The lines of the boat don't lend themselves to an s@s design. Unless in the back they did a red stripes flying, like on a 30th anniversary. That might look cool.

Ya think ;)

flya750
08-09-2013, 10:35 PM
I'm not familiar with this engine flush idea? Can you please explain more the purpose/function? Thanks

Yes, considering this boat will be used on many different lakes, makes it easier to flush it out to avoid the transfer of invasive species.

I wouldn't be surprised to see all promo boats with this.

MCX7
08-10-2013, 08:34 AM
http://www.mastercraft.com/news/detail/499

"And last but certainly not least – the stern, much like the bow, has an optional rear-seating configuration. "

Will the rear-seat be an option on the new ProStar?

DemolitionMan
08-10-2013, 09:53 AM
The engine cover will be far smaller in the production boat. Also, a different driver's seat will be used.

DemolitionMan
08-10-2013, 11:11 AM
I like the driver's seat.

Ben
08-10-2013, 11:21 AM
I like the boat. Seems like they listened to the request for a plain Jane ski boat (not sure it will be cheap) and then you can add seats if you need or want them for resale. Not sure how this will turn out for a 10 year old version with no seats available though.

The pickle will help widen then open bow slightly, which is nice too. The middle looks nice and wide too, even visualizing skis in there.

Good comments on wake so far. Except for the window (although the Bimini mount is cool) I think they nailed it.

Instead of a mid 2000 cc 206, maybe I'll hold the 205 longer yet and get a used one of these in 2020 or so....

Then the only downgrade will be fuel (vs the 205, not the newer boats)

Nice job MC.

thatsmrmastercraft
08-10-2013, 11:23 AM
Still needs some graphics on her backside..........looking a little naked as is.;)

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=99204&stc=1&d=1376142781

starman205
08-10-2013, 01:57 PM
Length?, Width?, Draft?

Bob B
08-10-2013, 03:52 PM
http://waterskimag.com/features/2013/08/07/mastercraft-reveals-its-newest-icon-the-2014-mastercraft-prostar-video/

Bob B
08-10-2013, 03:53 PM
Length?, Width?, Draft?

http://waterskimag.com/features/2013/08/07/mastercraft-reveals-its-newest-icon-the-2014-mastercraft-prostar-video/

TN_Rider
08-10-2013, 04:02 PM
Reverse Gel twins!!

Looks like the boat on the left is bigger to me. Just my eyes?

88 PS190
08-10-2013, 06:02 PM
I'm not familiar with this engine flush idea? Can you please explain more the purpose/function? Thanks

Its just an incorporated place to hook up a hose and run fresh water through the engine/lines.

Lets you flush the engine with out a fake a lake or removing hoses.

swc5150
08-10-2013, 06:51 PM
http://www.apfphoto.com/Sports/WaterSkiing/2013-Eastern-Regionals/30967343_XmJTkv#!i=2678488189&k=pNMB26N

No little guy under 100lbs is pulling through that, no matter how stacked they are. To deny the old wake was doable at all speeds and lengths is denying reality. No worries now however, new PS has arrived:)

georgea0731
08-11-2013, 11:28 PM
I wonder if the front/top deck comes in white too?

mcskier
08-12-2013, 01:21 AM
From Ball of Spray... Horton interviews Marcus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lMAeHNweE_s

mikeg205
08-12-2013, 08:14 AM
From Ball of Spray... Horton interviews Marcus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lMAeHNweE_s

Like the bow - thanks for posting - nice to see more info on this... maybe I can buy one in 10 years or so ;)

eficalibrator
08-12-2013, 09:18 AM
From Ball of Spray... Horton interviews Marcus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lMAeHNweE_s

I wonder if that dude ever got his jet ski started...

gsxrjtt
08-12-2013, 09:26 AM
That answers the cushions no cushion questions for everyone, and the 6" more foreword in the cockpit better for you guys worried about the wind shield and getting wet..

BrianM
08-12-2013, 11:23 AM
I imagine you will be able to get all of that Seadek in any color they offer. Can't wait to see one done in the teak look. Black boat with the teak would look pretty slick.

2RLAKE
08-12-2013, 12:10 PM
i want one ... red please ... stars and stripes

Bouyhead
08-12-2013, 09:12 PM
(http://www.ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/8908/the-prostar-wake-at-26-mph)[QUOTE=swc5150;967053]http://www.apfphoto.com/Sports/WaterSkiing/2013-Eastern-Regionals/30967343_XmJTkv#!i=2678488189&k=pNMB26N

No little guy under 100lbs is pulling through that, no matter how stacked they are. To deny the old wake was doable at all speeds and lengths is denying reality. No worries now however, new PS has arrived:)[/QUOTE

BOS has a thread going bout the new PS wake at longline/slow speeds. Looks like that tsunami is gone!
http://www.ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/8908/the-prostar-wake-at-26-mph
(http://www.ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/8908/the-prostar-wake-at-26-mph)

mikeg205
08-12-2013, 09:26 PM
I imagine you will be able to get all of that Seadek in any color they offer. Can't wait to see one done in the teak look. Black boat with the teak would look pretty slick.

Now I have to hunt down that restore someone did a while back...

sand2snow22
08-15-2013, 12:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_rzvODRpXs&feature=player_embedded

blackTT
08-15-2013, 02:46 AM
Does the boat still only take fuel from one side?

tph
08-15-2013, 10:47 AM
Does the boat still only take fuel from one side?

It looks like there might be a fill on both sides:

Evan Jones
08-15-2013, 11:32 AM
Port side looks different from fuel fill... Seadeck wraps past the port side fitting. Might just be the socket for rear light....

tph
08-15-2013, 12:41 PM
Port side looks different from fuel fill... Seadeck wraps past the port side fitting. Might just be the socket for rear light....

Yeah, Your probably right. I prefer the fill on the starboard side anyway.

JohnE
08-15-2013, 02:00 PM
It has to fill from both sides. Didn't they make that improvement to the 197 back in 08 or so?

JohnE
08-15-2013, 02:03 PM
Nevermind, back in 08 they changed the fuel fill.

wheeler
08-15-2013, 07:11 PM
I'm assuming a back seat is included in the purchase?

tph
08-15-2013, 08:16 PM
I'm assuming a back seat is included in the purchase?

I'm thinking "not".

jk13
08-15-2013, 11:38 PM
I'm assuming a back seat is included in the purchase?

In that video Marcus said "under 3k (lbs.) without the ski racks or back seat."

I would be surprised if the back seat had to be purchased as an option, it is likely just removable. The ski racks will probably be an additional charge. And probably not a small charge.

I'm just speculating of course. And I might be surprised.

tph
08-16-2013, 02:02 AM
In that video Marcus said "under 3k (lbs.) without the ski racks or back seat."

I would be surprised if the back seat had to be purchased as an option, it is likely just removable. The ski racks will probably be an additional charge. And probably not a small charge.

I'm just speculating of course. And I might be surprised.

Obviously, I missed his comment. Perhaps it will be a split seat with walk through in the center.

JMLVMI
08-16-2013, 02:40 AM
Obviously, I missed his comment. Perhaps it will be a split seat with walk through in the center.

Just skied behind an '04 Infinity tonight. I really liked that split back seat!

Evan Jones
08-16-2013, 01:52 PM
In one of the quotes, they did refer to "the back seats" so it sounds like it is split....

wheeler
08-16-2013, 04:05 PM
split back seats will surely save on the vinyl for sure!

broncotw
08-16-2013, 04:33 PM
NOT a fan of the "Pickle Spork"! Need to ditch the "Pickle Spork" and add two analog speedos!

Kudos on the open/closed bow -- very innovative!

dihrdskir
08-17-2013, 06:27 PM
How do you save 400lbs over the previous model? Weigh it with an all aluminium 6.2 and make the racks and all seats with the exception of driver and observer optional !

Hoosier Bob
08-18-2013, 08:10 PM
The 4.5 gallon fuel cell helps!;)

east tx skier
08-18-2013, 08:35 PM
A couple of interesting things after watching the Marcus Brown video.

1. Friggin' glove compartment right in front of the steering wheel. Brilliant.

2. Nice work on the dash. I'm sure the digital stuff will break and be a pain, but the speed control screen is intuitive and the view without the huge gauge cluster is excellent.

3. Sleeve locks on the bimini top. Perfect.

4. Observer's folding seat back slides flat and becomes a step to the bow. Wow!

5. Hinged bow cover for storage access. Impressive. Removing bow cover (does not compute). ;)

JMLVMI
08-20-2013, 02:22 AM
For those interested in what the back seats could look like, Marcus Brown posted this over on BoS: http://cdn.vanillaforums.com/ballofspray.vanillaforums.com/FileUpload/7d/a8bd0f0e329689f853159b783c2386.jpg

Also, this setup was seen as a rear ballast option for trickers at Nationals...bench press bar weights?
http://cdn.vanillaforums.com/ballofspray.vanillaforums.com/FileUpload/84/6673dbb074775e96a551f90362d86a.jpg

Also, MTS should be an option again.

mustangtexas
08-20-2013, 07:53 AM
^^When I first glanced at that image I thought "Holy crap, those are big speakers".

Goinbroke
08-20-2013, 04:19 PM
Not sure I like the wide split option, should be a lot narrower. maybe a 8" or so.
Why so wide from the back of the seat to the back of the boat. Just seems like alot of dead space.
Whats in the lockers? I guess you could put a mother of a fat sack in there, but not sure taking up boat space for a nice wide seat for the skier is worth it.

93Prostar190
08-20-2013, 04:25 PM
I bet those weights are part of R&D ... I would guess a ballast tank will be an option for trick skiers .... the wake is not there ... so I am guessing that once they know how much weight makes people happy they will move on to making a ballast system for the rear of the boat ..... lead over water? not in a slalom boat ... just my $0.02 ....

MTS .... hmm .. great point for the private lakers ...

flya750
08-20-2013, 05:11 PM
While I like the boat.. I feel they over thought a few things..

Like WHY WHY WHY do we need a boat that can be both open bow and or closed bow? This option to me seems to benefit the manufacturer costs and screws the guys who really want the true closed bow boats. I wonder if this "do both" option boat does either one of the functions as well as the traditional designs... Personally, I would never really care to own an open bow competition ski boat. I would NEVER want six people in my boat when I ski short line? DUH!

I have enough crap to carry around... without the option to carry optional seats and hood covers. I'm just not seeing the new design as being that great..

I was excited about the boat when it was first released.. but as I have been learning/thinking more about it... I'm losing interest.. not that I would EVER be able to afford it ;) so it probably doesn't much matter what I think...;)

Things I do like.. the dash.. that improvement was a long time coming.. simple analog gauges would be okay with me too..

Goinbroke
08-20-2013, 05:27 PM
[QUOTE=flya750;970447]While I like the boat.. I feel they over thought a few things..

Like WHY WHY WHY do we need a boat that can be both open bow and or closed bow? This option to me seems to benefit the manufacturer costs and screws the guys who really want the true closed bow boats. I wonder if this "do both" option boat does either one of the functions as well as the traditional designs... Personally, I would never really care to own an open bow competition ski boat. I would NEVER want six people in my boat when I ski short line? DUH!

I have enough crap to carry around... without the option to carry optional seats and hood covers. I'm just not seeing the new design as being that great..

I was excited about the boat when it was first released.. but as I have been learning/thinking more about it... I'm losing interest.. not that I would EVER be able to afford it ;) so it probably doesn't much matter what I think...;)

I highly doubt there is any loss for the convertible bow. The lid should weigh the same as a standard glassed over bow. So having an the option is great for resale. I think its a real win win.

TayMC197
08-20-2013, 05:38 PM
[QUOTE=flya750;970447]While I like the boat.. I feel they over thought a few things..

Like WHY WHY WHY do we need a boat that can be both open bow and or closed bow? This option to me seems to benefit the manufacturer costs and screws the guys who really want the true closed bow boats. I wonder if this "do both" option boat does either one of the functions as well as the traditional designs... Personally, I would never really care to own an open bow competition ski boat. I would NEVER want six people in my boat when I ski short line? DUH!

I have enough crap to carry around... without the option to carry optional seats and hood covers. I'm just not seeing the new design as being that great..

I was excited about the boat when it was first released.. but as I have been learning/thinking more about it... I'm losing interest.. not that I would EVER be able to afford it ;) so it probably doesn't much matter what I think...;)

I highly doubt there is any loss for the convertible bow. The lid should weigh the same as a standard glassed over bow. So having an the option is great for resale. I think its a real win win.

I'm sure it will greatly help the resale value too. you might want a closed bow which it offers, time to sell, put the seats in it and let it go. Everyone is happy and nothing is sacrificed. I like the open bow.. when we ski on the river, can't have people in the back, so they move to the front and we have an even better ski wake. Also beaching it up, its nice to have the open bow but this does offer the walk on bow cover which I like as well.

flya750
08-20-2013, 09:30 PM
The only thing that is saving the optional bow configuration for me is one thing.. and that is the ski racks on the sides... My traditional bow storage is needed... no IFs ANDs or BUTs! ;) If this boat can't give me the same storage as a traditional bow then it loses for me. I carry two slalom skis and a combo pair at all times @ minimum.....I can put four skis in the new racks...the remaining storage should be sufficient to handle the rest of the stuff? Dual anchors, a sh!t load of life jackets coast guard and ski vests...dual spot lights, blankets, towels... etc...etc..Will it all fit in the new optional bow configuration?

Also, what about the gell coat in the bow area if there is an anchor flying around in storage? Is there any risk of damaging side gell coat walls? Of course, since there has been so little data released on the new boat...I still have lots of questions regarding its true crossover functionality....and I for one am not going to give it two thumbs up without much more consideration.

Where would a heater core go? for example? and all the hoses that provide the heat to the passengers? How would all of that work?

Hoosier Bob
08-20-2013, 09:40 PM
Holy crap, spotlights, blankets and night vision? You are doing a ton more on your boat than I do with mine. fact is if I could put 4 ski's in my bow, I would not. Three maybe. I know one thing my gunnels are good for a flag, light pole and a couple of vests. Never, ever been able to put one ski let alone three in the gunnels. If the racks hold four ski's screw the bow. Just saying my 93 190 with two anchors, spotlights, fishing gear, stripper pole would not have enough room for one ski let alone a skier.:DThe only thing that is saving the optional bow configuration for me is one thing.. and that is the ski racks on the sides... My traditional bow storage is needed... no IFs ANDs or BUTs! ;) If this boat can't give me the same storage as a traditional bow then it loses for me. I carry two slalom skis and a combo pair at all times @ minimum.....I can put four skis in the new racks...the remaining storage should be sufficient to handle the rest of the stuff? Dual anchors, a sh!t load of life jackets coast guard and ski vests...dual spot lights, blankets, towels... etc...etc..Will it all fit in the new optional bow configuration?

Also, what about the gell coat in the bow area if there is an anchor flying around in storage? Is there any risk of damaging side gell coat walls? Of course, since there has been so little data released on the new boat...I still have lots of questions regarding its true crossover functionality....and I for one am not going to give it two thumbs up without much more consideration.

Where would a heater core go? for example? and all the hoses that provide the heat to the passengers? How would all of that work?

chriscraftmatt1976
08-20-2013, 09:58 PM
The only thing that is saving the optional bow configuration for me is one thing.. and that is the ski racks on the sides... My traditional bow storage is needed... no IFs ANDs or BUTs! ;) If this boat can't give me the same storage as a traditional bow then it loses for me. I carry two slalom skis and a combo pair at all times @ minimum.....I can put four skis in the new racks...the remaining storage should be sufficient to handle the rest of the stuff? Dual anchors, a sh!t load of life jackets coast guard and ski vests...dual spot lights, blankets, towels... etc...etc..Will it all fit in the new optional bow configuration?

Also, what about the gell coat in the bow area if there is an anchor flying around in storage? Is there any risk of damaging side gell coat walls? Of course, since there has been so little data released on the new boat...I still have lots of questions regarding its true crossover functionality....and I for one am not going to give it two thumbs up without much more consideration.

Where would a heater core go? for example? and all the hoses that provide the heat to the passengers? How would all of that work?

I agree. We all have to wait and see. All we really know is the basic hull design.

flya750
08-20-2013, 10:01 PM
Hello Hoosier Bob!

I have a '97 PS190. I believe it to be one of MC's best boats...(hint: I ski short line so I don't care about anything longer than 32' off)

I do use my boat for more than just my passion for short line. I have family and friends who ski and tube (all ski levels) - and we play on large lakes... so night time boating is done often.

I like the fact that my boat is pretty much stocked ready for anything.. dual spot lights is a must. One real deal and a waterproof battery backup ;) Dual anchors... because as I mentioned... I do boat on a large lake with sandbars and I need to control the boat 100%.

I can store quite a bit up in my bow currently and I can still get two skis comfortably on the side gunnels... but if I do that... that effects where the cooler is stored and walk around area ;)

Like I said.. My verdict is still out on the new boat... I need to see this new design in function.. .not just on facebook.

Chances are however... I will own my '97 until I can't physically ski anymore and I will die a happy happy happy man! :) :) :)

ProTour-X9
08-21-2013, 08:25 AM
I would think they could make a removable carpet liner for the bow..
99852

TayMC197
08-21-2013, 09:25 AM
The only thing that is saving the optional bow configuration for me is one thing.. and that is the ski racks on the sides... My traditional bow storage is needed... no IFs ANDs or BUTs! ;) If this boat can't give me the same storage as a traditional bow then it loses for me. I carry two slalom skis and a combo pair at all times @ minimum.....I can put four skis in the new racks...the remaining storage should be sufficient to handle the rest of the stuff? Dual anchors, a sh!t load of life jackets coast guard and ski vests...dual spot lights, blankets, towels... etc...etc..Will it all fit in the new optional bow configuration?

Also, what about the gell coat in the bow area if there is an anchor flying around in storage? Is there any risk of damaging side gell coat walls? Of course, since there has been so little data released on the new boat...I still have lots of questions regarding its true crossover functionality....and I for one am not going to give it two thumbs up without much more consideration.

Where would a heater core go? for example? and all the hoses that provide the heat to the passengers? How would all of that work?

Lets see what all I store with my open bow. I keep 4 of the ugly orange life vest under the seats in my bow. In the observer seat locker I have towels, food, boat cover, bimini cover, a 10" sub box, and whatever else needs to go in there for that day of boating. I have in my rear locker 6 vest, barefoot suit, 2 anchors, 2 bumpers, 2 ropes, a towing rope (for tubes and broken boats), anchor light, gloves, and whatever else I use regularly or need that day. Now whats on the tower? I have 2 slalom ski's, a sky ski (which is huge by the way), and my sky ski rope that stays on the tower pylon. With all this in the boat, I have nothing on the floor except a small cooler if I need more than what my 2 floor coolers can hold. Clean and organized just like I like it. This isn't even mentioning the awesome stereo that is on this boat as well.

Guess what, after all of that, I still have an amazing wake IMHO from 15 off and up...... Gotta love a 197.... It seems as if so many people are trying to trash this boat for the wrong reasons. I love the new prostar, I still can't afford it. I had 92 190 and I loved it as well, I had a mini tower on it which really gave me a ton of storage. I'll also ad that putting a mini tower with bimin on the boat that weighs a total of roughly 60lbs, doesn't affect anything on that boat or its wake. lol At the end of the day, I wanted the 197 for room, storage, more people when needed, and several other reasons. The 197 gave me all of that and made it more enjoyable than my 190 would have.


I also bring my dog on the boat... ;)

gchapman-tt
08-21-2013, 11:01 AM
Things I do like.. the dash.. that improvement was a long time coming.. simple analog gauges would be okay with me too..

BTW, Dial gauges are utilized at top of the switch panel.

east tx skier
08-21-2013, 11:39 AM
As a closed bow die hard, I can see a practical advantage of this setup. In short, it is hinged at the front. So you open the windshield, lift the bow and deposit or withdraw whatever gear you need. I can store a lot in the closed bow of my boat. But retrieving that vest that is stuffed up under the nose can be tricky without removing everything else. In this configuration, you loose a little storage for the seat pedestals, but you gain ease of access.

Just an observation from another CB purist.

Sodar
08-21-2013, 11:52 AM
Let the bashings begin, but I wonder what the new Mini Tower will look like on the "pickle spork".

broncotw
08-21-2013, 12:12 PM
Will it be offered in colors other than red??

JMLVMI
08-21-2013, 12:36 PM
Will it be offered in colors other than red??

From the press release (http://www.ballofspray.com/35-ballofspray-water-ski-news/1829-mastercraft-reveals-its-newest-icon-the-2014-mastercraft-prostar):

Specifications:

Length: 20 feet / 6.096 m

Width Amidship: 96 inches / 2.44 m

Boat Weight: 3300 lbs fully optioned / 1497 kg

Fuel Capacity:25 gallons / 94.6 L

Seating: 7 people

Hull: Direct Drive

Color Options: Infinite

mikeg205
08-21-2013, 12:41 PM
Let the bashings begin, but I wonder what the new Mini Tower will look like on the "pickle spork".

Why a tower... no wake ;)

TayMC197
08-21-2013, 12:59 PM
Why a tower... no wake ;)

Barefooting, for me sky skiing, and many other reasons, towers are beneficial to more than wake involved activities.

JohnE
08-21-2013, 01:52 PM
Let the bashings begin, but I wonder what the new Mini Tower will look like on the "pickle spork".

I was wondering the same thing.

flya750
08-21-2013, 02:19 PM
Easty, this does have some validity for sure...but I would be concerned about the gell coat getting dinged or scratched up pretty easily?.... Everything you store up front would need to be in a padded bag ? I think some snap in carpet for that area may be a good idea? Something to protect the gell coat in the storage area?

Also, no one has addressed my heater core question? Where would the heater core mount? Where would the venting go? I live in Michigan.. my boat NEEDS to have a heater!!

The good news is.. I am going to get a chance to see the new Prostar this Monday...some of these questions will get answered...the bad news is I'm not sure how anything can be better than my '97 PS190... it does everything I need it to do...and its PAID for... ;) ;) ahh.. '97 .. it was a good year ;) haha!

I think the new design is interesting and has potential...but it just raises so many questions...




As a closed bow die hard, I can see a practical advantage of this setup. In short, it is hinged at the front. So you open the windshield, lift the bow and deposit or withdraw whatever gear you need. I can store a lot in the closed bow of my boat. But retrieving that vest that is stuffed up under the nose can be tricky without removing everything else. In this configuration, you loose a little storage for the seat pedestals, but you gain ease of access.

Just an observation from another CB purist.

eficalibrator
08-21-2013, 02:41 PM
Why a tower... no wake ;)

I just can't see having a family boat these days without one.
1) Beginners like learning from the tower on one or two skis.
2) Wakeboarding beginners actually prefer a small wake
3) Intermediate wakeboarding should still be possible. With sufficient ballast, you can board behind just about anything as proven by all the 17' I/Os I keep seeing on the lakes.
4) Storage of boards/skis on the tower is handy and keeps the bow or aisles clear.
5) Mounting the bimini on the tower means more head room and less forehead bruises.
6) Permanently mounted anchor/transom light location so you don't need to fish out the pole.

mikeg205
08-21-2013, 02:49 PM
I just can't see having a family boat these days without one.
1) Beginners like learning from the tower on one or two skis.
2) Wakeboarding beginners actually prefer a small wake
3) Intermediate wakeboarding should still be possible. With sufficient ballast, you can board behind just about anything as proven by all the 17' I/Os I keep seeing on the lakes.
4) Storage of boards/skis on the tower is handy and keeps the bow or aisles clear.
5) Mounting the bimini on the tower means more head room and less forehead bruises.
6) Permanently mounted anchor/transom light location so you don't need to fish out the pole.

New prostar I believe not the right boat for a family.. for all around sport boating - as soon as boarders get better they will want more boat.. I say X15 for all around boating... or X14V less expensive.. But I agree with all of the above...

Craig
08-21-2013, 03:07 PM
Easty, this does have some validity for sure...but I would be concerned about the gell coat getting dinged or scratched up pretty easily?.... Everything you store up front would need to be in a padded bag ? I think some snap in carpet for that area may be a good idea? Something to protect the gell coat in the storage area?

Also, no one has addressed my heater core question? Where would the heater core mount? Where would the venting go? I live in Michigan.. my boat NEEDS to have a heater!!

The good news is.. I am going to get a chance to see the new Prostar this Monday...some of these questions will get answered...the bad news is I'm not sure how anything can be better than my '97 PS190... it does everything I need it to do...and its PAID for... ;) ;) ahh.. '97 .. it was a good year ;) haha!

I think the new design is interesting and has potential...but it just raises so many questions...


You realize that the heater was available in 197's, right?

How is it more difficult to mount a heater in this boat compared to a 197? Its not, there will be a heater, you are being ridiculous.

chriscraftmatt1976
08-21-2013, 03:09 PM
Anybody who needs a heater period is ridiculous! You old softies you! :D:D:D

Jk...

eficalibrator
08-21-2013, 03:11 PM
New prostar I believe not the right boat for a family.. for all around sport boating - as soon as boarders get better they will want more boat.. I say X15 for all around boating... or X14V less expensive.. But I agree with all of the above...

The only problem I see there is that both the X15 and X14v have BRUTAL wakes for those just beginning to learn the course. They end up afraid of the wake and learning bad habits and a defensive stance that often leads to a series of painful OTF's.

I guess it begs the question (that will make the shortline purists puke): What kind of wake can be made behind the new ProStar at ~20mph with the right ballast? I know there was some discussion about them looking for a solution for the trick wake (~17mph), which should carry over to learning wakeboarders too. It will be interesting to see if they offer some sort of wedge/gate/gizmo to instantly change the wake characteristics at lower speeds.

If your family is confidently wakeboarding at 23mph, then you're probably not honestly shopping a "good" (direct drive) slalom boat in the first place.

flya750
08-21-2013, 03:27 PM
Yes.. I imagine the 197 has a heater core option.. but we are not talking about the 197 are we? Keep up!

You realize that the heater was available in 197's, right?

How is it more difficult to mount a heater in this boat compared to a 197? Its not, there will be a heater, you are being ridiculous.

flya750
08-21-2013, 03:28 PM
I made changes to my LT1 heater setup and it now blows hot air all the time... instead of the way it use to work.. which would blow warm air only when running high rpm. This recent heater upgrade/fix has absolutely changed my boating... night boat rides, extending the boating season.... The heater is a life savor in Michigan.. PERIOD! And I didn't even mention how much the ladies and kids love the heater!!!



Anybody who needs a heater period is ridiculous! You old softies you! :D:D:D

Jk...

TayMC197
08-21-2013, 03:30 PM
You realize that the heater was available in 197's, right?

How is it more difficult to mount a heater in this boat compared to a 197? Its not, there will be a heater, you are being ridiculous.

My 197 has a heater, I've never used besides after I first got it to see if it worked. Plenty of heat in Texas for most of the year.

flya750
08-21-2013, 03:52 PM
Well if I lived in Texas the heater would be a moot point.. .and in a 197.. I imagine the heater core would take up precious storage area...so if not needed.. why have it?

I don't care where the heater core is mounted in a 197.. so I won't ask :D:D:D:D

My 197 has a heater, I've never used besides after I first got it to see if it worked. Plenty of heat in Texas for most of the year.

Craig
08-21-2013, 03:54 PM
Yes.. I imagine the 197 has a heater core option.. but we are not talking about the 197 are we? Keep up!

Let me explain further:

The 197 offered a heater as an option, this means they managed to figure out how to mount a heater core and run lines through this boat. The new Prostar is a similar style boat, and does not appear to have less room to mount a heater core than the 197.

Logic would suggest that if the engineers at Mastercraft figured out how to mount a heater in a 197, it is unfathomable they have not figured out how to mount one in the new Prostar. It is equally unfathomable that Mastercraft would suddenly decide that they did not want to offer a heater as an option in a new boat. This is why no one answered your question, it doesn't follow logic (or they don't care about heaters).

I have a heater in my 190 (I find it as essential as you do) and would want one in a new boat. However, I have no doubt that the new Prostar will have that option available and will not be loosing sleep over it.

scott023
08-21-2013, 04:53 PM
Let the bashings begin, but I wonder what the new Mini Tower will look like on the "pickle spork".

I'm sure others, me included, have wondered the same thing. :D

scott023
08-21-2013, 04:56 PM
Yes.. I imagine the 197 has a heater core option.. but we are not talking about the 197 are we? Keep up!

I'm betting dimes to donuts that the 190's coming up north will have a heater core... no reason it won't be available to others as well.

wheeler
08-21-2013, 05:11 PM
Holy crap, spotlights, blankets and night vision? You are doing a ton more on your boat than I do with mine. fact is if I could put 4 ski's in my bow, I would not. Three maybe. I know one thing my gunnels are good for a flag, light pole and a couple of vests. Never, ever been able to put one ski let alone three in the gunnels. If the racks hold four ski's screw the bow. Just saying my 93 190 with two anchors, spotlights, fishing gear, stripper pole would not have enough room for one ski let alone a skier.:D

Yes, let's not forget the fishing gear AND stripper pole....

flya750
08-21-2013, 05:36 PM
One thing we have not discussed much is the cost factor.

Mastercraft doesn't only desire to build better boats than it's competitors. They also have to build a boat that will break the love affair that many current boat owners have with their current boats.

The new 2014 Prostar is a freaking beautiful boat...but my garage spot is full and my IRA needs max donations as does my gas fund. (Let's be real) Perhaps the boat manufacturers should focus more on great ski boats for $35k ? Just sayin' Bottom line...I could never buy a new Prostar.. I simply could never afford one. Unlike back in 1997 - I was able to buy new boat. MC seems to want to build only the best and charge the most. So be it.. I'm out.. I will keep my boat forever...It is just the way it will be ;)

flya750
08-21-2013, 05:45 PM
I did not question as to if the new Prostar had the heater option. I believe I specifically asked where does it mount in the new Prostar? Where does the venting get routed? Since I am a CB bigot.. I am so soo not interested in a MC - PS197... I have never seen a heater core installed in a 197. Sorry.

BTW...None of my questions have been ridiculous...what is this forum for?

I seemingly belong to a dying market share.. a short line skier who wants to maximize the family and friends boating experience.. That is the boat I will buy..period. I would quit skiing if I had to ski behind a X15.



Let me explain further:

The 197 offered a heater as an option, this means they managed to figure out how to mount a heater core and run lines through this boat. The new Prostar is a similar style boat, and does not appear to have less room to mount a heater core than the 197.

Logic would suggest that if the engineers at Mastercraft figured out how to mount a heater in a 197, it is unfathomable they have not figured out how to mount one in the new Prostar. It is equally unfathomable that Mastercraft would suddenly decide that they did not want to offer a heater as an option in a new boat. This is why no one answered your question, it doesn't follow logic (or they don't care about heaters).

I have a heater in my 190 (I find it as essential as you do) and would want one in a new boat. However, I have no doubt that the new Prostar will have that option available and will not be loosing sleep over it.

SKIBUMM
08-21-2013, 05:45 PM
One thing we have not discussed much is the cost factor.

Mastercraft doesn't only desire to build better boats than it's competitors. They also have to build a boat that will break the love affair that many current boat owners have with their current boats.

The new 2014 Prostar is a freaking beautiful boat...but my garage spot is full and my IRA needs max donations as does my gas fund. (Let's be real) Perhaps the boat manufacturers should focus more on great ski boats for $35k ? Just sayin' Bottom line...I could never buy a new Prostar.. I simply could never afford one. Unlike back in 1997 - I was able to buy new boat. MC seems to want to build only the best and charge the most. So be it.. I'm out.. I will keep my boat forever...It is just the way it will be ;)

Wow someone with my same feelings. I purchased my boat in 94 for $14,500. throughout the 90s boats seamed to be still somewhat reasonable. The price of boats has gotten out of hand in my opinion. I am amazed at how many I see and when i do my taxes and see that I am in the top 1% of all income I just figure that there must be a lot of under the table money floating around because although I could purchase a new boat to do so would be financial suicide to my retirement that is still a good long ways away.

AZDave
08-21-2013, 05:50 PM
Bling and planned obsolesence is what drives car makers, boat makers, cell phone makers ect. A 2014 identical to a 93 ProStar with modern speed control and motor for 35k would out sell the proposed boat hands down. But the volume would not be nearly as profitable as selling fewer high dollar models. Same with cars, same with everything.

flya750
08-21-2013, 05:51 PM
Buying the boat is only the beginning of the expenses... I call my boat a Memory pit... never a money pit. I bought the right boat ;)

Wow someone with my same feelings. I purchased my boat in 94 for $14,500. throughout the 90s boats seamed to be still somewhat reasonable. The price of boats has gotten out of hand in my opinion. I am amazed at how many I see and when i do my taxes and see that I am in the top 1% of all income I just figure that there must be a lot of under the table money floating around because although I could purchase a new boat to do so would be financial suicide to my retirement that is still a good long ways away.

mikeg205
08-21-2013, 06:09 PM
Buying the boat is only the beginning of the expenses... I call my boat a Memory pit... never a money pit. I bought the right boat ;)

Well said - Fly... I call mine the Mistress ;) - kinda the same thing right... lol...

Now you gotta post a nice picture.

bobx1
08-21-2013, 06:39 PM
One thing we have not discussed much is the cost factor.

Mastercraft doesn't only desire to build better boats than it's competitors. They also have to build a boat that will break the love affair that many current boat owners have with their current boats.

The new 2014 Prostar is a freaking beautiful boat...but my garage spot is full and my IRA needs max donations as does my gas fund. (Let's be real) Perhaps the boat manufacturers should focus more on great ski boats for $35k ? Just sayin' Bottom line...I could never buy a new Prostar.. I simply could never afford one. Unlike back in 1997 - I was able to buy new boat. MC seems to want to build only the best and charge the most. So be it.. I'm out.. I will keep my boat forever...It is just the way it will be ;)

I would be interested, from a marketing standpoint, as to the following:

Size/prospective buyers in the core Skier/3 Event Market. It still amazes me that some of my friends (in their 50's) who skied seriously 20-30 years ago still hang on to their older boats and still get in as many sets a summer as they can - kudos to them! They are so in love with their older boats that I just don't see them upgrading to the new Prostar.

Size/prospective buyers in the core Wakeboard Market (i.e. Xstar). Still curious about this market. I would assume only a few people in this market that actually have the $$ would opt for a core wakeboard boat over the X25. I am also curious how the young guys (sub-25 year olds) that can really rip it on a wakeboard can afford the boat.

Which leaves the profitable target market - the guy/gal/couple/family in their mid-30's to 50's with high disposable income (i.e. X25/X46/X30, etc.). I personally know of 3 friends that had X45's for 3-5 years then when the kids quit tubing and wakesurfing and wakeboarding as much, they sold them and did not replace.

Note that these are questions/observations and not statements of fact so don't flame. Just curious.....

mikeg205
08-21-2013, 06:44 PM
I would be interested, from a marketing standpoint, as to the following:

Size/prospective buyers in the core Skier/3 Event Market. It still amazes me that some of my friends (in their 50's) who skied seriously 20-30 years ago still hang on to their older boats and still get in as many sets a summer as they can - kudos to them! They are so in love with their older boats that I just don't see them upgrading to the new Prostar.

Size/prospective buyers in the core Wakeboard Market (i.e. Xstar). Still curious about this market. I would assume only a few people in this market that actually have the $$ would opt for a core wakeboard boat over the X25. I am also curious how the young guys (sub-25 year olds) that can really rip it on a wakeboard can afford the boat.

Which leaves the profitable target market - the guy/gal/couple/family in their mid-30's to 50's with high disposable income (i.e. X25/X46/X30, etc.). I personally know of 3 friends that had X45's for 3-5 years then when the kids quit tubing and wakesurfing and wakeboarding as much, they sold them and did not replace.

Note that these are questions/observations and not statements of fact so don't flame. Just curious.....

The demigraphic they are hitting besides pro's are the 8-10 million net worth guys... Got this from the folks at Chicago Boat Show this year...

And say that 50 year old statement with a smile on your face... :D:D:D:D I have to keep finding younger friends... lol - saying "kudos" to them - does quite make it... ;)

rodltg2
08-21-2013, 06:57 PM
There will be plenty of buyers for this new prostar.

#1 The serious tournament skier:
The good folks at USA Waterksi require that most tournaments be pulled by a current model year boat, ( the crap economy allowed older boats, I believe no more than 2 years old), equipped with Zero Off. If you train behind what you will ski behind at a tournament may help close the gap between practice and tournament .

#2 Ski Lake/Club Boat Buyers:
Ski clubs usually have fairly current model year boats. The reason above and plus they pile a crap load of hours on so they need to replace every couple years.

#3 The "I must have newest and greatest":
These tend to be the rich guys, who always get a new boat every year.



#4 Everyone else:
Plenty of people in this category. Lots of folks who feel its time to upgrade will buy one.

It may surprise a lot of people, the serious slalom market is pretty big. Tournaments are filling up and lots of juniors getting into the sport.

I bet you they sell every open slot. The question is ,how will sell after the first year on the used market.

scott023
08-21-2013, 08:07 PM
There will be plenty of buyers for this new prostar.

#1 The serious tournament skier:
The good folks at USA Waterksi require that most tournaments be pulled by a current model year boat, ( the crap economy allowed older boats, I believe no more than 2 years old), equipped with Zero Off. If you train behind what you will ski behind at a tournament may help close the gap between practice and tournament .

#2 Ski Lake/Club Boat Buyers:
Ski clubs usually have fairly current model year boats. The reason above and plus they pile a crap load of hours on so they need to replace every couple years.

#3 The "I must have newest and greatest":
These tend to be the rich guys, who always get a new boat every year.



#4 Everyone else:
Plenty of people in this category. Lots of folks who feel its time to upgrade will buy one.

It may surprise a lot of people, the serious slalom market is pretty big. Tournaments are filling up and lots of juniors getting into the sport.

I bet you they sell every open slot. The question is ,how will sell after the first year on the used market.

A darn good analysis Rod. IMO

wheeler
08-21-2013, 09:49 PM
I got out of the 190's after my 1st lower back surgery thinking I needed a better ride, after seeing the new prostar I am thinking I will risk surgery #3 just to have one :-)

flya750
08-21-2013, 11:31 PM
and we can add in those categories that Rod listed...he had some good points on who will be buying the new Prostar... I was thinking about ski clubs myself...

I would be interested, from a marketing standpoint, as to the following:

Size/prospective buyers in the core Skier/3 Event Market. It still amazes me that some of my friends (in their 50's) who skied seriously 20-30 years ago still hang on to their older boats and still get in as many sets a summer as they can - kudos to them! They are so in love with their older boats that I just don't see them upgrading to the new Prostar.

Size/prospective buyers in the core Wakeboard Market (i.e. Xstar). Still curious about this market. I would assume only a few people in this market that actually have the $$ would opt for a core wakeboard boat over the X25. I am also curious how the young guys (sub-25 year olds) that can really rip it on a wakeboard can afford the boat.

Which leaves the profitable target market - the guy/gal/couple/family in their mid-30's to 50's with high disposable income (i.e. X25/X46/X30, etc.). I personally know of 3 friends that had X45's for 3-5 years then when the kids quit tubing and wakesurfing and wakeboarding as much, they sold them and did not replace.

Note that these are questions/observations and not statements of fact so don't flame. Just curious.....

JMLVMI
08-22-2013, 01:14 AM
Plus they count the sales of promo boats, so there is ~125 boats before the first "real" customer's order is even counted.

TT197
08-22-2013, 09:10 AM
Us "Promo" guys by a boat every year so we don't count!

east tx skier
08-22-2013, 10:21 AM
Easty, this does have some validity for sure...but I would be concerned about the gell coat getting dinged or scratched up pretty easily?.... Everything you store up front would need to be in a padded bag ? I think some snap in carpet for that area may be a good idea? Something to protect the gell coat in the storage area?

Also, no one has addressed my heater core question? Where would the heater core mount? Where would the venting go? I live in Michigan.. my boat NEEDS to have a heater!!

The good news is.. I am going to get a chance to see the new Prostar this Monday...some of these questions will get answered...the bad news is I'm not sure how anything can be better than my '97 PS190... it does everything I need it to do...and its PAID for... ;) ;) ahh.. '97 .. it was a good year ;) haha!

I think the new design is interesting and has potential...but it just raises so many questions...

Maybe they could run the ducting under the floor. There may be a channel cut between the stringers to allow for this. Since they have had this option in 197s and other open bows for some time now, it is certainly something that will be an option on this boat. In most of these boats, there's a recess behind the kick board and before the bow seating pedestal where the heater core is mounted. Not too difficult to access when the core rusts out and dumps water on your feet.

The bottom line is that it will be an option that can be installed from the factory or mimicked in an aftermarket install, I have no doubt.

east tx skier
08-22-2013, 10:24 AM
I made changes to my LT1 heater setup and it now blows hot air all the time... instead of the way it use to work.. which would blow warm air only when running high rpm. This recent heater upgrade/fix has absolutely changed my boating... night boat rides, extending the boating season.... The heater is a life savor in Michigan.. PERIOD! And I didn't even mention how much the ladies and kids love the heater!!!

I don't have a heater. I think I would prefer heated seats. No cores to replace. No puddle of water at my feet. Sure, I can stick the tube under the shirt and blow hot air into my nether regions. So I get that fan heaters are not necessarily replaceable by localized heat..

If I didn't live in Texas, I might sing a different tune, however.

JMLVMI
08-22-2013, 10:55 AM
Us "Promo" guys by a boat every year so we don't count!

I hope the money you pay them counts towards revenues... :D

flya750
08-22-2013, 11:16 AM
I watched a video yesterday that stated the new Prostar will have a heated seat option... I don't see this as a suitable replacement for keeping warm in Northern Michigan. I love the new heater setup I have in my boat.. it cranks out the HOT air!

Heater vents in the floor sounds like a plausible idea...



I don't have a heater. I think I would prefer heated seats. No cores to replace. No puddle of water at my feet. Sure, I can stick the tube under the shirt and blow hot air into my nether regions. So I get that fan heaters are not necessarily replaceable by localized heat..

If I didn't live in Texas, I might sing a different tune, however.

Ski-me
08-22-2013, 11:29 AM
I watched a video yesterday that stated the new Prostar will have a heated seat option... I don't see this as a suitable replacement for keeping warm in Northern Michigan. I love the new heater setup I have in my boat.. it cranks out the HOT air!

Heater vents in the floor sounds like a plausible idea...

A heated seat is not a replacement to the heater; it's an addition. It's been an option for a few years now and have seen them on a number of newer boats here in Colorado.....

I will ask though, what did you do to improve your LT1 heater? I get the same issue, warm air when motor is beyond idle....pretty cool otherwise.

CantRepeat
08-22-2013, 11:50 AM
Any one of you heros got a story on the surf wake yet?

Did anyone else notice the bullet strut is missing from this build?

Quinten
08-22-2013, 12:27 PM
Did anyone else notice the bullet strut is missing from this build?

I did and also the older rudder

east tx skier
08-22-2013, 12:36 PM
I watched a video yesterday that stated the new Prostar will have a heated seat option... I don't see this as a suitable replacement for keeping warm in Northern Michigan. I love the new heater setup I have in my boat.. it cranks out the HOT air!

Heater vents in the floor sounds like a plausible idea...

I don't think seat heat is a replacement. Just an added option. I think vents in the floor isn't going to be good if it allows water to pool in the hoses. Then again, it would probably be minimal and evaporate quickly. They can get the ducting up through the floor and route it where ever it needs to be though.

east tx skier
08-22-2013, 12:37 PM
A heated seat is not a replacement to the heater; it's an addition. It's been an option for a few years now and have seen them on a number of newer boats here in Colorado.....

I will ask though, what did you do to improve your LT1 heater? I get the same issue, warm air when motor is beyond idle....pretty cool otherwise.

I assume he added a y-pipe (http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=H424).

Ski-me
08-22-2013, 12:43 PM
I assume he added a y-pipe (http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=H424).

Very nice. Thank you! :D

flya750
08-22-2013, 12:58 PM
What I did to fix the heater option that never worked since day one ;) .... I had to change where the initial installation took the hot water source for the heater core. I changed the source to come from the engine's water pump. I also replaced the heater core unit with the current Heatercraft 2U model. (More BTU's)
I can't remember.. but I think I may have changed the thermostat values? But then again.. I'm not sure I did.. I might have just went with the MC dealership supplied stock thermos? (with drilled holes) - I wish I could remember what thermos I used but sorry I can't. If you want to PM me.. I can provide more details.. pics.. etc... For some reason the number 160 is sticking in my head.. 160 for the stats? Instead of 148 ? Sorry.. those are just the numbers that are sticking in my head. I can tell you that my boat use to run around ~170 but now runs around a solid ~178. So I very well may have changed the stock Stat values... either way.. the difference in heater function is night and day and I LOVE IT!

BTW.. I'm sure the new Prostar has a heater.. but where is it installed? Venting? The new Heatercraft 2U model I installed in my boat is bigger than the original... and thank goodness it is mounted up under the driver side bow - "out of the way"
To me, having a heater is far more important than EVER using the optional bow seating. That is just the way it is....and it will always be...I'm a close bow bigot and in a way... the more I think about this.. the more I believe MC is sticking it to the CB market.....I mean this new Prostar is a 197 killer... it ROCKS beyond belief if you're looking for a 197 replacement...But if you are a CB junkie...its not so cool...

What is so freaking wrong with MC... building a CB version of this Prostar? I like the open windshield walk through option for a CB. I am not really interested in bow seating... I AM interested in AWESOME seating for the rest of the boat. I really like the sundeck option... but that looks to be gone? right? I am not all that against the pickle fork design if it gives me more storage...and the bow walkway seems to benefit from the pickle fork design.. so again.. I like that design..

I do like the concept of eliminating the optional seating idea and open up that bow storage area and STILL give me that hinged trunk lid option for easy access to my bow storage.. as Easty suggested. Perhaps keep the middle hinged seat so you can get easy access to the plentiful bow storage. That would be a great improvement for a true CB design. Just my .02.





A heated seat is not a replacement to the heater; it's an addition. It's been an option for a few years now and have seen them on a number of newer boats here in Colorado.....

I will ask though, what did you do to improve your LT1 heater? I get the same issue, warm air when motor is beyond idle....pretty cool otherwise.

Bert
08-22-2013, 01:11 PM
To me, having a heater is far more important than EVER using the optional bow seating. That is just the way it is....and it will always be...
I used to think that way but as I have aged and have more free time I choose to ski when it is warm;) That said a ski boat with an open bow:rolleyes:no thanks. I prefer my closed bow with carpeted area to keep skis. I hope they offer the boat with out that silly removable bow cover. And why is it so heavy?

flya750
08-22-2013, 03:15 PM
On the bigger lakes in Northern Michigan where we prefer to ski/boat.. We have to get up super early AM to catch the glass water. Otherwise the bigger lakes turn to rough for skiing. There were times this past August that the mornings were in the low 60's...We enjoyed the glass water and we were warm doing it ;)

I used to think that way but as I have aged and have more free time I choose to ski when it is warm;) That said a ski boat with an open bow:rolleyes:no thanks. I prefer my closed bow with carpeted area to keep skis. I hope they offer the boat with out that silly removable bow cover. And why is it so heavy?

chriscraftmatt1976
08-22-2013, 03:29 PM
I was just up at mullet lake. Beautiful up there! I need to get a tow next time up!

flya750
08-22-2013, 03:34 PM
I play on Elk and Torch lakes....mostly Elk. It is the Caribbean of the Midwest...;)

I was just up at mullet lake. Beautiful up there! I need to get a tow next time up!

19_Skier
08-22-2013, 04:04 PM
What I did to fix the heater option that never worked since day one ;) .... I had to change where the initial installation took the hot water source for the heater core. I changed the source to come from the engine's water pump. I also replaced the heater core unit with the current Heatercraft 2U model. (More BTU's)
I can't remember.. but I think I may have changed the thermostat values? But then again.. I'm not sure I did.. I might have just went with the MC dealership supplied stock thermos? (with drilled holes) - I wish I could remember what thermos I used but sorry I can't. If you want to PM me.. I can provide more details.. pics.. etc... For some reason the number 160 is sticking in my head.. 160 for the stats? Instead of 148 ? Sorry.. those are just the numbers that are sticking in my head. I can tell you that my boat use to run around ~170 but now runs around a solid ~178. So I very well may have changed the stock Stat values... either way.. the difference in heater function is night and day and I LOVE IT!

BTW.. I'm sure the new Prostar has a heater.. but where is it installed? Venting? The new Heatercraft 2U model I installed in my boat is bigger than the original... and thank goodness it is mounted up under the driver side bow - "out of the way"
To me, having a heater is far more important than EVER using the optional bow seating. That is just the way it is....and it will always be...I'm a close bow bigot and in a way... the more I think about this.. the more I believe MC is sticking it to the CB market.....I mean this new Prostar is a 197 killer... it ROCKS beyond belief if you're looking for a 197 replacement...But if you are a CB junkie...its not so cool...

What is so freaking wrong with MC... building a CB version of this Prostar? I like the open windshield walk through option for a CB. I am not really interested in bow seating... I AM interested in AWESOME seating for the rest of the boat. I really like the sundeck option... but that looks to be gone? right? I am not all that against the pickle fork design if it gives me more storage...and the bow walkway seems to benefit from the pickle fork design.. so again.. I like that design..

I do like the concept of eliminating the optional seating idea and open up that bow storage area and STILL give me that hinged trunk lid option for easy access to my bow storage.. as Easty suggested. Perhaps keep the middle hinged seat so you can get easy access to the plentiful bow storage. That would be a great improvement for a true CB design. Just my .02.

This boat is a closed bow, just happens to have the open bow option built in as well. It's all in how you look at it. To me, this is the best of both worlds. If you just want the CB then don't order seats for the bow, now you have an easy access CB boat instead of crawling under you observer seat, which is extremely uncomfortable and awkward.

mikeg205
08-22-2013, 05:05 PM
Dang - would love this stable... count 'em - 2 2014 stars... ;)

TT197
08-22-2013, 08:47 PM
I hope the money you pay them counts towards revenues... :D

The money pay for boats goes back to funding credit system we have going tournaments.
Our program is self funding.

cdstukey
08-22-2013, 09:08 PM
A heated seat is not a replacement to the heater; it's an addition. It's been an option for a few years now and have seen them on a number of newer boats here in Colorado......

I have both heated seats and heater in our current boat. We've been out in plenty of sub 50/50 early season mornings. I would say that we use the heated seats ten times more than the vent heater. If given the choice again I'd probably skip the heater option. Maybe if you are riding in weather colder than that the vent system would be preferred, but at that point you are probably sticking the vent in under your sweatshirt anyways.

ProTour-X9
08-25-2013, 08:22 AM
ProStar at the PWT
100049

100050

100051
Zane Schwenk footing behind it
100052
The (non-existent) wakeboard wake
100053

scott023
08-25-2013, 10:51 AM
Dang - would love this stable... count 'em - 2 2014 stars... ;)

DAAAAAAAAANG. That's a lot of boat there.

ProTour-X9
08-25-2013, 08:31 PM
Under the observer seat

georgea0731
08-25-2013, 09:42 PM
I know this is just a prototype, but no boat buddy? The more I see it, the more I'm getting use to the nose too. I also like less material that will eventually get cracks in it.

eficalibrator
08-26-2013, 08:07 AM
Our dealer had an event in Grand Rapids where we got to ski the new boat on Sunday. They brought the two exact boats from the Calgary facebook photos out to a private ski lake and had pros show us around the boat and drive for us. Karen Truelove was our host in the boat with the red deck. She was an absolute sweetheart and very patient as we worked in a tour of the 2014 ProStar around my 4 month old son's demands for attention.

Having seen it on Facebook and Balls of Spray, I knew what to expect and the boat didn't disappoint. The interior is typically great Mastercraft quality, despite not being 100% finished yet. The new gunwale ski rack is super easy to operate and very convenient. Ditto for the digital helm and ZeroOff controls. At 96" wide, it's the same outside width as my PS214. It looks like they used the same exact observer seat from the 214 (not a bad thing!) and then added even more seating in front of the post with the jump seat. The flat fold into the walk-through is really nice. The narrower gunwales end up creating more interior space, even with the non-production engine cover that was 4" wider than the final piece is meant to be. This boat will have all kinds of room inside.

Dual rear seats and another walk-through are clever. The dual rear storage compartments look to be about the perfect size for a 12 pack and ice, hrmm...

The available color combinations are enough to make your head spin. It's going to take a couple hours on the build-a-boat to sort out just which bit and pieces one wants which color. There are certainly some fairly intricate patterns are possible. There is also supposed to be a two-point tower available that installs at the triangular pads almost in line with the pylon. This shouldn't get in the way of short line skiers and I can't see getting a modern boat for family use without a tower.

The biggest thing we miss is the rear facing lounge seat behind the driver in the 214. This was the best seat in the house for when we had friends/family on board. If Mastercraft can resurrect that, this boat becomes a home run in our book.

Oh yeah, the wake. Easy to forget because there ain't much to remember.

-15/30mph, NOTHING, pretty much like the SN200 and TXi. I should have taken more passes here because it felt soooooo easy and clean.

-22/30mph, much improved over all older MC boats, on par with the SN200 here and definitely nicer than the TXi. If you're a hack like me, you can still screw this up if you flatten out the ski completely and make it hop a bit, but it's less painful than before. If you stay on edge clean, you don't feel any bump, more like the rumble strip mentioned before.

-15/32mph, just a cleaner version of 30mph wake at the same length. I'm not used to ZeroOff yet, so getting a different pull at the buoy made more difference than the wake to me. That's a pretty good compliment to the wake I suppose.

18-21mph (wakeboard speed), well... bring some ballast. Then get more ballast, you'll need it. There really isn't a defined lip at all with the boat at slalom weight. There was some talk of adding a wedge, gate, or some other widget to improve the trick wake. I can completely see how it's necessary. If it were an option, I'd get it and bring a couple fatsacs too for the times when I'm not on the course. The upside to this is that teaching new skiers or wakeboards becomes very friendly wake-wise as they have nothing to be afraid of back there at low speed.

So my challenge to MC and my dealer: Find me one in Canadian Blue Metal Flake with bow seats, the tower, wedge/gate, and a rear facing lounge seat behind the driver and it becomes an easy sell as a killer slalom boat that is cleverly disguised as a family friendly platform. Checking those boxes would make me forget all about the 200 and TXi.

Thanks again to Action Water, Mastercraft, and Karen for having us out and humoring a non-pro skier with a family who still appreciates a great wake.

~Greg

Ski-me
08-26-2013, 10:15 AM
Greg, great analysis and love to hear about 1st hand experience. It sounds like there is more room in the main area which is nice. How is the seating up front and is it still similar to the 197? I noticed the max capacity is still at 7 compared to the 200's 9 passengers....I wish they were able to boost the seating capacity with this new one somehow.

eficalibrator
08-26-2013, 11:31 AM
Up front seating is HUGE. I have a PS214, and the new ProStar has MORE seating up front. Basically, it's like having an additional jump seat in the front cockpit of a 214. Three grown men can easily fit up front without being cramped at all. So if you have a morning/evening hardcore ski group of four, you can travel in comfort all the time since the racks keep the floor clear of skis and nobody is squished on the observer seat.

Greg Finses
08-26-2013, 10:23 PM
Here is a picture from our Grand Rapids session behind the new ProStar! Definitely a big improvement and a big thank you to Mastercraft and Action Water Sports!

Greg Finses
08-26-2013, 10:27 PM
One more

SSMoose
08-26-2013, 11:20 PM
I don't care what anybody says, this looks to be a great boat.

east tx skier
08-27-2013, 08:38 AM
I just noticed from this picture, but is there really a bend in the rub rail? Or are my eyes playing tricks on me with the gel lines?

scott023
08-27-2013, 08:51 AM
I just noticed from this picture, but is there really a bend in the rub rail? Or are my eyes playing tricks on me with the gel lines?

There's a bend Doug. Your eyes are doing just fine. ;)

JohnE
08-27-2013, 09:07 AM
Based on the comments it's pretty easy to see why the 214DD was dropped.

Bouyhead
08-27-2013, 09:28 AM
Don't know if this pic was posted already, got it from BOS. Looks to be a pretty roomy boat.

100176

eficalibrator
08-27-2013, 10:36 AM
I just noticed from this picture, but is there really a bend in the rub rail? Or are my eyes playing tricks on me with the gel lines?

It's "sort of" there, but easy to miss in person. Standing in the boat, the tops of the gunwales seemed fairly flat and easy to step pretty much anywhere on top as you got in/out at the dock. And oh yeah, the added Seadeck pads seem cool. I don't know why they didn't put more of it along the top of the gunwales.

Sodar
08-27-2013, 10:41 AM
Based on the comments it's pretty easy to see why the 214DD was dropped.

Maybe they are going to do another version with a traditional layout, based on this new hull! 8p

Ski-me
08-27-2013, 11:10 AM
Maybe they are going to do another version with a traditional layout, based on this new hull! 8p

With a capacity of only 7 people in the Prostar, I think a 214 would be a nice addition based on the new hull. That would be cool!:cool:

Ironhorse
08-27-2013, 02:41 PM
With a capacity of only 7 people in the Prostar, I think a 214 would be a nice addition based on the new hull. That would be cool!:cool:

That would then be my next boat!

jdnsx
08-27-2013, 07:36 PM
I know this is just a prototype, but no boat buddy? The more I see it, the more I'm getting use to the nose too. I also like less material that will eventually get cracks in it.

The Ramp-N-Clamp is almost ready. Just a few more details to work out to eliminate some of the past problems.

JohnE
08-27-2013, 09:26 PM
Maybe they are going to do another version with a traditional layout, based on this new hull! 8p

Give mea sun pad and I am all in!

Bert
08-28-2013, 05:49 PM
The more you look at that boat the sweeter it is. Nice to see MC focusing on a true ski boat.

Ned
08-28-2013, 11:53 PM
Having been a MC owner since 2007, and previously CC since 90 (CC was Dad's boat that he traded for a new Moomba 2012)... I can only imagine how awesome this boat is. I expect 'second to none' quality and wake that rivals the BF200 I learned to cross while barefooting behind with Mike Seipel driving. I would love to ski behind this thing on a regular basis and elevate the slalom technique to new level - even as I get older. Step one is for somebody to make a fair deal on my PS209 for sale... please check it out.

scott023
08-29-2013, 12:00 AM
The Ramp-N-Clamp is almost ready. Just a few more details to work out to eliminate some of the past problems.

Dang, I love that shield on there.

2RLAKE
08-31-2013, 10:17 AM
I had a great opportunity this morning ... Got a pull behind one of the new Prostars ... Truly incredible ... I can't believe the roominess in the observer seat, love the ski storage system, driver layout ... And if course the wake ... Will take a barefoot run tonight to see how that is ... Awesome boat!

2RLAKE
08-31-2013, 10:18 AM
Oh yeah ... I want one ... Bad!

scott023
08-31-2013, 10:54 AM
Get anymore pics?

2RLAKE
08-31-2013, 11:50 AM
Get anymore pics?

Sure will take some today and load them later

scott023
08-31-2013, 11:52 AM
Sure will take some today and load them later

Cool beans. Have fun.

rhsprostar
08-31-2013, 04:01 PM
2RLAKE

Nice! How did you fandangle your way into getting a pull!?

captain planet
08-31-2013, 04:21 PM
2RLAKE

Nice! How did you fandangle your way into getting a pull!?

By nefarious means I've been told.

2RLAKE
08-31-2013, 07:36 PM
By nefarious means I've been told.

Captain ... it doesn't make me a bad person, does it?

Ryan
08-31-2013, 10:45 PM
Sure will take some today and load them later

Say what? Was this at Norris? I'm down here again this weekend ... hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge , nudge.

2RLAKE
09-02-2013, 09:52 PM
Great day today .. Took a bunch of runs ... Doubles and triples ... And then when we were tired we tried footing behind the new Prostar ... One word .... Wow

There is no bump to speak of edging out ... Soft and smooth ... And the 6.2 has incredible accelerations ...

First one is out with the '92 and onto the '14!

2RLAKE
09-02-2013, 09:53 PM
... And here we got ... That 6.2 is fast ...

2RLAKE
09-02-2013, 09:56 PM
Dont I look good in this boat!!

I mean don't I make the boat look good!

hewlett6621
09-03-2013, 03:22 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/03/3upa3adu.jpg

2RLAKE
09-03-2013, 06:13 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/03/3upa3adu.jpg

Thanks!

2RLAKE
09-03-2013, 06:52 AM
Heck no. I would have done it!!!!!

you ever coming back down?

epnault
09-06-2013, 10:44 AM
If someone hooks me up with a pull on the 2014 in the Minneapolis area, I will hook them up with a ride on one of these. Takers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEbfteUIkYU

2RLAKE
09-06-2013, 12:06 PM
that is an awesome video ... holy cow

Lars
09-06-2013, 12:20 PM
If someone hooks me up with a pull on the 2014 in the Minneapolis area, I will hook them up with a ride on one of these. Takers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEbfteUIkYU

I'll tag along :D

mikeg205
09-06-2013, 12:25 PM
Dont I look good in this boat!!

I mean don't I make the boat look good!

Big Envy man!!! big big... :):D

scott023
09-06-2013, 12:43 PM
If someone hooks me up with a pull on the 2014 in the Minneapolis area, I will hook them up with a ride on one of these. Takers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEbfteUIkYU

That thing is fricking awesome. What a great vid.