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jafo9
07-31-2013, 05:34 PM
My motor has apparently suffered a catastrophic failure. 02 LTR with 480hrs. I bought the boat a few years ago with 300hrs and I've changed the oil religiously every 50 hours. I had an electrical gremlin that would cause intermittent hesitation and sudden stop of the motor (like pulling the kill switch). I finally got that fixed and the motor developed a ticking sound. At first I thought it was a sticking valve and then it turned into a full on knocking and screeching sound. I took the boat to Rambo in Westover, AL, yesterday and I talked to Cecil and Deon today. The listened to the motor and felt that it would need to be replaced. They said they also found metal in the oil. We all feel like there is a rod and a bearing that have given up. Interestingly, they said they haven't seen this kind of failure before on this motor and they're not sure yet what caused the failure.

So the obvious question is what to do next. My thoughts are that I can either pay them to put in a reman (Jasper probably) or trade it in on something newer. The quoted me 5-6K for the motor installed with a 1 year warranty. They couldn't give me a specific quote as they haven't torn into the old motor yet. I need to replace my exhaust manifolds anyway as they both have rust and the starboard side has significant rust. This will probably add another $600 or so to the final bill. So 6K or so for a reman.

I asked them to give me a trade in number on this:

http://www.rambomarine.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?sid=03144647X7K31K2013J4I01 I18JPMQ7161R0&veh=30731&pov=3186784

I looked at the boat and the outside is great but the interior is a little tired. One cushion has alot of cracks in the seams, the drivers seat has funny red spots on the seat bottom and the sun pad has been bled on by the cover. There are no tower speakers/lights and no walkway door. The motor (MCX) has a dime size gouge on the pretty red intake cover which seemed odd and all the sound deadening material seemed to have fallen off the fiberglass cover/walkway. They offered me 12K for my boat as is and didn't come off the 54,950 on the 06. I figured I would get a low ball, but I was surprised by those numbers. My X30 has over 1/2 the vinyl already replaced, tower lights, heater, 3 jabsco puppy pumps with a through hull inlet. It has the hard tanks out with bags plumbed in the lockers. Lenco trim tab and a fresh air exhaust. I figured it was worth around 20K as is and the 06 looks like a 40K boat. Needless to say I was shocked when he quoted my 42+ thousand to trade in my boat and pull the 06 home.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on what I should do next. Thanks.

thatsmrmastercraft
07-31-2013, 05:47 PM
If you have worked out all the gremlins from your boat, I would go the Jasper route and plan on keeping your boat for a few more years. It sounds like you are pretty well set-up with your boat.

svxwilson
07-31-2013, 06:28 PM
I can tell you where not to get a new longblock!

CantRepeat
07-31-2013, 06:44 PM
I wouldn't buy that boat from them. It's easy 10k over priced. You'll find a much better deal through a private party on an 06 X30 for sure.

Case in point -- 07 X30 for 45k

http://for-sale.yakaz.com/mastercraft-x30-for-sale#lo=4&docid=0007nfie5r0laqus

That's just 10 seconds of search.

And another.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2006-Mastercraft-X-30-102036182

http://austin.craigslist.org/boa/3938620838.html

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
07-31-2013, 07:05 PM
If your handy with a wrench, why not remove the engine yourself, inspect it and have a local machine shop do any necessary machining and reassemble. You could very well have the motor repaired for less than 1k, You reinstall and save yourself 4k. Seems like such a waste to throw away a motor that can be saved.

zsqure
07-31-2013, 09:37 PM
If your handy with a wrench, why not remove the engine yourself, inspect it and have a local machine shop do any necessary machining and reassemble. You could very well have the motor repaired for less than 1k, You reinstall and save yourself 4k. Seems like such a waste to throw away a motor that can be saved.

+1:D
I know the dealer has to eat, but don't feed them steak! You can get that motor fixed for much less than they want.

Redstorm
07-31-2013, 10:14 PM
If your handy with a wrench, why not remove the engine yourself, inspect it and have a local machine shop do any necessary machining and reassemble. You could very well have the motor repaired for less than 1k, You reinstall and save yourself 4k. Seems like such a waste to throw away a motor that can be saved.

Ditto

swatguy
07-31-2013, 11:17 PM
Sorry bout the motor man. I agree with the others on the saving cash route regarding an engine for your boat.

I have nothing but good things to say about Rambo. They have gone the extra mile for me on several occasions. However that deal they are quoting you is piss poor. That quote they have you for an engine is mostly labor. If they take your boat on trade it's going to cost them half that to drop am engine in there and sell it. However people are Leary on boats with new/rebuilt engines when it comes to buying so the boat will have a small hit on price if they or yourself try to sell it right off the bat. Even with that hit tho the price on the 06 and yours is way off in my eyes.

scott023
07-31-2013, 11:23 PM
If your handy with a wrench, why not remove the engine yourself, inspect it and have a local machine shop do any necessary machining and reassemble. You could very well have the motor repaired for less than 1k, You reinstall and save yourself 4k. Seems like such a waste to throw away a motor that can be saved.

This.....

bturner2
08-01-2013, 07:40 AM
I'm with the others. Way too much for their boat and way to little for yours. Either start another hobby (your engine repair) or find another shop that will do this work for you. Spend the money you save on fixing up the areas that are weak on your interior and enjoy your refreshed boat.

jafo9
08-01-2013, 11:15 AM
I appreciate all your input. I don't think I'm going to be able to fix it myself. I agree that there are probably cheaper shops. Heck, its just a small block chevy. Is there any benefit in resale being able to say the work was done by Rambo? I'll probably plan on keeping the boat for at least another season. Thanks again.

46Chief
08-01-2013, 12:47 PM
Not sure about resale no matter what if its not original it's gonna be questioned. I wouldn't be too keen on a jasper engine Id rather have a reputable speed shop rebuild the one in the boat, I wouldn't even try to spice it up with a cam higher compression or any of that just a basic reliable overhaul.

It's a tractor you want it to run forever. If you need more pull speed or something else buy a new prop

thatsmrmastercraft
08-01-2013, 01:05 PM
Not sure about resale no matter what if its not original it's gonna be questioned. I wouldn't be too keen on a jasper engine Id rather have a reputable speed shop rebuild the one in the boat, I wouldn't even try to spice it up with a cam higher compression or any of that just a basic reliable overhaul.

It's a tractor you want it to run forever. If you need more pull speed or something else buy a new prop

Are you really serious about questioning the quality of a Jasper re-manufactured engine over a local speed shop? Jasper has been in business for 70 years. If you were ever at their factory, or watched any of the videos of their facilities, you would think otherwise.

Bouyhead
08-01-2013, 02:31 PM
I appreciate all your input. I don't think I'm going to be able to fix it myself. I agree that there are probably cheaper shops. Heck, its just a small block chevy. Is there any benefit in resale being able to say the work was done by Rambo? I'll probably plan on keeping the boat for at least another season. Thanks again.

There is always a cheaper option, but I'm pretty sure Jasper has an 18 month transferrable warranty and I'm sure Rambo will stand behind thier work. The other thing to consider is when do you get that thing wet again? (easy now boys) you cant put a price on a speedy quality repair, and if you go the Jasper/Rambo route some estimates are negoitable no?

thatsmrmastercraft
08-01-2013, 03:23 PM
There is always a cheaper option, but I'm pretty sure Jasper has an 18 month transferrable warranty and I'm sure Rambo will stand behind thier work. The other thing to consider is when do you get that thing wet again? (easy now boys) you cant put a price on a speedy quality repair, and if you go the Jasper/Rambo route some estimates are negoitable no?

There is almost always some room for negotiation on estimates for someone (like me) who likes to do some bargaining.

You are correct on the 18 month parts & labor warranty on Jasper complete engines. I don't know of a better warranty available for a marine engine. If you want to back on the water quick, with tremendous reliability, this is the route. It certainly won't be the cheapest option.

76S&S
08-01-2013, 03:34 PM
jafo, where are you located? If you are dealing with Rambo you can't be too far away from the Birmingham area. A friend of the family is a great mechanic and could pull the motor and do the work for you for much less if you are interested.

He rebuilt a motor for me years ago and as far as I know (sold the old 76) it's still purring.

46Chief
08-01-2013, 07:05 PM
Are you really serious about questioning the quality of a Jasper re-manufactured engine over a local speed shop? Jasper has been in business for 70 years. If you were ever at their factory, or watched any of the videos of their facilities, you would think otherwise.

I never said anything about quality reliability etc.

Jasper wouldn't be my first choice. Especially if I have a good rebuildable engine to work from. My preference is to support local economy first. A good overhaul shop will stand behind their work.

thatsmrmastercraft
08-01-2013, 08:10 PM
I never said anything about quality reliability etc.

Jasper wouldn't be my first choice. Especially if I have a good rebuildable engine to work from. My preference is to support local economy first. A good overhaul shop will stand behind their work.

I can't argue that point.

jafo9
08-02-2013, 10:38 AM
jafo, where are you located? If you are dealing with Rambo you can't be too far away from the Birmingham area. A friend of the family is a great mechanic and could pull the motor and do the work for you for much less if you are interested.

He rebuilt a motor for me years ago and as far as I know (sold the old 76) it's still purring.

thanks for the offer. I called Rambo yesterday afternoon and gave them the OK to proceed. I like the idea of a warranty and since I plan to upgrade hulls in the next few years, hopefully with Rambo doing the work, it will make the sale easier.

Aric'sX15
08-02-2013, 11:34 AM
They want 56 for an x1 with 192 hours. That's way off! That x-30 is way over priced also. Should be about 47 or so

Lars
08-02-2013, 11:50 AM
Not sure about resale no matter what if its not original it's gonna be questioned. I wouldn't be too keen on a jasper engine Id rather have a reputable speed shop rebuild the one in the boat, I wouldn't even try to spice it up with a cam higher compression or any of that just a basic reliable overhaul.

It's a tractor you want it to run forever. If you need more pull speed or something else buy a new prop

Are you really serious about questioning the quality of a Jasper re-manufactured engine over a local speed shop? Jasper has been in business for 70 years. If you were ever at their factory, or watched any of the videos of their facilities, you would think otherwise.

I think he's saying that for resale it'd be better to have a factory engine than a third party engine in there. When I was looking for my boat I only wanted the MCX or better.