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CantRepeat
07-30-2013, 09:22 AM
What a spoon full of sugar they are!! :mad:

blwright
07-30-2013, 10:28 AM
Agreed. I've been fortunate all mine have been under 4mm. My uncle has one taped in his wallet the size of a pencil eraser. And he passed it............

drschemel
07-30-2013, 10:30 AM
a six-pack of bud lite lime will take care of about 90% of them!

blwright
07-30-2013, 10:39 AM
My Urologist told me there are more cases of kidney stones in AL and GA than the rest of the 48 combined.

CantRepeat
07-30-2013, 10:47 AM
This is my first experience with them, I'm 50. I've lived in AL for about 17 years but spent a lot of that time deployed or stationed somewhere else. I hope AL/GA isn't the epicenter for kidney stones. I felt like a little girl with all the whining I've done over the last 4 or 5 days trying to pass them. CT scan showed 6 of them, some still in the kidneys, both of them.

CantRepeat
07-30-2013, 10:48 AM
a six-pack of bud lite lime will take care of about 90% of them!

If drinking bud is the cure then I'd rather have the stones!! :D:D

stuartmcnair
07-30-2013, 10:57 AM
well, I had my first bout when I lived in Georgia and the second after I moved back to Alabama so I will agree with that doctor.

Also, I would rather be shot than go through that pain again...

blwright
07-30-2013, 11:16 AM
Morphine or dilaudid are your greatest allies.

drschemel
07-30-2013, 12:46 PM
If drinking bud is the cure then I'd rather have the stones!! :D:D

not just bud, it has to be the lite with lime - want as much water going through your kidney as possible!
Diet and concentrated urine have a lot to do with forming stones. You can find a lot about this online and alway, always stay hydrated. It only takes one day to get a stone started.

heath124
07-30-2013, 07:23 PM
I've had 1 and I don't wish that on nobody. My brother has passed over 70 of them and 4 that had to be lasered. I think his biggest was almost 8mm. I also have an uncle that fought in Vietnam and was shot and hit by shrapnel and he said the kidneys stones were worse than that. So I feel for you.

SkiDog
07-30-2013, 08:24 PM
They say, drinking a lot of sweet tea will cause them. Idunno

CantRepeat
07-30-2013, 09:18 PM
They say, drinking a lot of sweet tea will cause them. Idunno

Yeah, I read that too. I've not been on the sweet tea for while now. Believe it or not, I stop drinking beer a while back and cut down on red meat. The ER doc ask me why I did that. That was right before he gave me the jelly finger and said he'd send me a card and flowers. I suggested a quiet dinner. Wendy just laughed at him.

sethro
07-30-2013, 10:28 PM
I went through it again in May for about the 10th time. I had two stones 13mm and 11mm and was lucky to get them both blasted apart in one lithotripsy procedure. However, a stent was inserted during the procedure and quite possibly the worst afternoon of my life occurred about two weeks later when the stent was removed. It was just awful. Absolutely awful.

eurosysytem0
07-31-2013, 06:19 AM
I had stents twice. I agree they were bloody awful. Caused me more grief than the stones.had them in for 7-10days - total misery!
I,ve had stones three times.

In terms of zapping them to shatter the stone, in Germany and in UK they say can only be done whilst stone is in Kidney not once moved into tubes.

Now retired and asked to have 6 month screening to see if stones developing to catch early (in Germany this took ultrsound about 10 minutes).
In UK our heath service refused saying I would have to wait and see if they happen again and then they would deal with them!. Last three times this involved: blue light ambulance, hospital admission, stents fitted, week of misery, hospital admission, stent removed etc etc etc.

It does not seem like a cost efficient way of managing the problem.

As for cause I had more conflicting advice than you can count, Hard Water, Tea, Coffee, Strawberrys, Rhubard etc etc etc.

gweaver
07-31-2013, 03:29 PM
Had a stone back in May, my first (and hopefully only). I've never felt pain like that. I actually wound up throwing up in the ER waiting room it hurt so much. Found out I've got a high tolerance for pain killers too. Took 4 doses of dilaudid and a dose of morphine before the pain was under control. Spent about 5 hours in the ER- 9pm to about 2am, then home. First time in 12 years I've ever missed work, I took 2 days to rest/recover. Funny thing is, the stone never passed. Doc said sometimes if you really drink alot of water, the calcium will re-dissolve and just get flushed out. Maybe I got lucky, as the idea of it coming out the urethra really doesn't excite me at all.
I was told tea, coffee are contributors, as they're diuretics and the (chronic) dehydration can cause a buildup of calcium and other minerals in the kidney. I quit coffee and tea cold-turkey, but the caffeine headache was a deal breaker. Since then, I've limited myself to one cup of coffee/day and at least 3 quarts of water per day. With luck, I won't have any more problems.
My best advice- drink lots of water and stay hydrated so your kidneys can work properly and flush everything out.
G

deployedjosh
07-31-2013, 11:27 PM
http://www.planetaryherbals.com/products/GP1550/

I'm not one to push quack products, but this product has helped me out a lot. My dad had kidney issues, and he turned me on to it after I had a bout with gout.

blwright
08-01-2013, 04:40 PM
Pop is on Allopurinol for gout.

SkiDog
08-02-2013, 08:49 AM
Yeah, I read that too. I've not been on the sweet tea for while now. Believe it or not, I stop drinking beer a while back and cut down on red meat. The ER doc ask me why I did that. That was right before he gave me the jelly finger and said he'd send me a card and flowers. I suggested a quiet dinner. Wendy just laughed at him.

There's the damn cause right there dummy!:uglyhamme:uglyhamme:uglyhamme:uglyhamme

mikeg205
08-04-2013, 11:55 AM
sorry to read tim... I haven't had them - but i know a bunch of folks who have... very painful

CantRepeat
08-04-2013, 03:57 PM
I'm going on a week of this crap now. I've read that it can take upto a month to pass them. Its the not sleeping part that sucks the most.

blwright
08-05-2013, 12:28 AM
Man, that sucks. I've never had one linger longer than a day or 2.

Footin
12-13-2015, 03:22 PM
These damn thing do suck!

I was taken to the ER last Sunday morning in HORRIBLE pain, found out I had a stone, 5MM. Told to take meds and wait for it to pass. Back to ER again Wednesday the to a Urologist, given different meds at told to wait. Now its Sunday and nothing has passed, calling Surgeon tomorrow to schedule "procedure".

A week of the worst pain of my life, throwing up and limping through work is enough.

mikeg205
12-13-2015, 03:30 PM
These damn thing do suck!

I was taken to the ER last Sunday morning in HORRIBLE pain, found out I had a stone, 5MM. Told to take meds and wait for it to pass. Back to ER again Wednesday the to a Urologist, given different meds at told to wait. Now its Sunday and nothing has passed, calling Surgeon tomorrow to schedule "procedure".

A week of the worst pain of my life, throwing up and limping through work is enough.

5mm - that's huge... that's almost the size of a 22 slug.. where the hell is going to pass thru? ouch man sorry to read.

1redTA
12-13-2015, 04:47 PM
Alabama, sweet tea, coffee. I'm so screwed! Time to drink bud light with lime now

trickskier
12-13-2015, 05:21 PM
These damn thing do suck!

I was taken to the ER last Sunday morning in HORRIBLE pain, found out I had a stone, 5MM. Told to take meds and wait for it to pass. Back to ER again Wednesday the to a Urologist, given different meds at told to wait. Now its Sunday and nothing has passed, calling Surgeon tomorrow to schedule "procedure".

A week of the worst pain of my life, throwing up and limping through work is enough.

Damn - Sorry to hear this Mike. Good Luck!

JimN
12-13-2015, 05:31 PM
All of my knowledge about these is anecdotal, but a guy on the morning radio show has had them several times and he said he can't eat Spinach because they contribute to the development of stones. I would look at the rest of your diet. I keep reading and hearing that drinking lemon water is one of the best things we can do- supposedly, it becomes alkaline once it's in our digestive system. Not sure how that works, since it's fairly acidic.

sethro
12-13-2015, 08:01 PM
I was out almost a month this summer with kidney stones again. One in each kidney, and four total "surgeries" to get clear. There is something very wrong with me in terms of blood/urine calcium oxalate levels. Believed to be hyperparathyroidism, but still waiting on final diagnosis.

One stone was 25mm x 12mm and the other "only" about half that size. That's about an inch long for those that don't want to do the conversion. And that was after being completely stone free in mid 2013. I'm hoping to get the true cause figured out ASAP as I'm very much over the misery of kidney stones.

lakejimmyjon
12-13-2015, 08:45 PM
Toradol...it was so great my wife was worried I might propose to the ER doctor. Instant pain relief.

Smarten
12-14-2015, 07:56 AM
I used to get them rather often. Don't have a good cure for the pain unfortunately.:( I found that mine are brought on by black tea. Green or white are fine:confused: It doesn't matter how much, just the regular tea. Even the pre-made teas are a no go for me. Haven't had a stone for quite a while now. Just no more regular tea for this guy! Sweet tea made with green tea is not too bad though;) Good luck - that pain is horrible!

neil.anderson63
12-14-2015, 08:13 AM
If drinking bud is the cure then I'd rather have the stones!! :D:D

I'm with ya. Do they blast them with sonic waves? My dad was pissing into a filter to capture the ones he had. Very un fun.

customcruiser
12-14-2015, 10:05 AM
Had my 5th (6mm) start in mid November and had my first time stone procedure... Laser Litho 11 days ago... mine was zapped a few cm from the bladder.

I had to go out of town for our audit but missed it due to the pain so for my jobs sake I decided to do the Laser Litho this time (if you don't know, they shove a scope up your hole, find the stone, bust it up with a laser and pull the pieces out... then insert a stint)

The surgery wasn't bad and I had pain relief as soon as I woke up but peeing for the next week was very painful. I could feel my kidney filling up each time I peed due to the stint they inserted in my ureter (actually the doc said the stint was allowing the kidney to fill backup when I peed to flush it out... I imagine a ballast piggy back system) and the pain was as bad as the stone but only lasted 10 - 15 secs... EACH time I peed

So all in all not so bad and much better than dealing with the stone BUT then comes Thursday, one week later and it's time for the stint to come out... NEVER have I had to deal with anything like that... they had to stick the scope back up there and pull the stint out and you're awake for this... no pain meds, they were nice enough to squirt a bunch of lidocaine in there. It took about 30 seconds.

I have 1 more stone... 11mm that I am having Shock Wave Lithotripsy on before the end of the year.

I personally would not have the Laser Litho again due to the stint... and if I did they better give me Valium or Xanax because I would not go back willingly to have the stint removed.

DocPhil
12-14-2015, 10:31 AM
I am just picking up this thread but are you on meds to help prevent stone formation?

Do you take any other meds (some can contribute).

Are they calcium oxalate stones?

customcruiser
12-14-2015, 10:59 AM
Mine are calcium oxalate stones...

I take zero meds not even for a headache but I grew up on well water which I heard can contribute

DocPhil
12-14-2015, 11:03 AM
The issue is actually high oxalate foods among other things and a lot of it is genetic. A few simple things you can do

1)get yourself down to a normal BMI if you are overweight
2)stay hydrated-64 oz of water per day
3)avoid high oxalate foods. Oxalate in the diet is the issue. Not calcium. Here is a list for you to review.
http://www.upmc.com/patients-visitors/education/nutrition/Pages/low-oxalate-diet.aspx
4)drink acidic things on a daily basis. Examples are lemon in your water. This helps to acidify the urine and decrease stone formation
5)if all else fails, then there are meds that can help. A common blood pressure med like a thiazide diuretic really helps to decrease stone formation and also potassium citrate.


Many people ignore all of the medical things that can be done outside of surgery. I am highly effective in my practice at reducing recurrent stone formation in my patients

h2oskifreak
12-14-2015, 11:10 AM
Has anybody seen their stones under magnification? If you have, you will see why they hurt so darn much. The look like a ball of razor blades. Seriously they look like something out of a science fiction movie.

kjohnson
12-14-2015, 11:30 AM
Dr. told me just to drink beer to keep your kidneys flushed out.

sethro
12-14-2015, 11:34 AM
Hey customcruiser.....shockwave lithotripsy doesn't necessarily mean no stent. I've had a stent two different times, both following a shockwave lithotripsy procedure. I've also proclaimed I will not willingly go in for a stent removal while awake again. This last stent I had the string attached to the end for "easy" removal, but the doctor ended up taking it out during another lithotripsy procedure on the other kidney. Your 11mm stone is getting up there in size for no stent, according to my doctor of course. But I've had them that size successfully removed without a stent.

DocPhil, thanks for weighing in. My doctor plans to start me on the thiazide diuretic if hyperparathyroidism is ruled out. He thinks a 25mm stone is pretty extraordinary growth for just over two years, which is the reason for further testing.

customcruiser
12-14-2015, 01:03 PM
My buddy has had 3 shock wave lithotripsy with the same urologist and didnt need a stent... if so there is no way I'm having that thing removed while awake.
I will know on Thursday what the full deal is and like I said... if there is a stent involved I'm gonna ride out the pain.

Thanks for the advise DorPhil... I need more work on 1-4... and after the past month I'm sticking to whatever is advised to not go through this again.

Footin
12-14-2015, 08:26 PM
Better day today, pain has subsided. I'm hoping it has entered the bladder and will make its way out.

Either way, if the pain returns soon or not, I am NOT going to have the surgery this year. I would rather control the pain (if it returns) with pain meds and hopefully let nature take its course.

For the lucky ones that have never experienced stones, consider yourself blessed, they are by far the worst pain I have ever had and the bad part is it does not go away for days.

trickskier
12-14-2015, 08:53 PM
Better day today, pain has subsided. I'm hoping it has entered the bladder and will make its way out.

Either way, if the pain returns soon or not, I am NOT going to have the surgery this year. I would rather control the pain (if it returns) with pain meds and hopefully let nature take its course.

For the lucky ones that have never experienced stones, consider yourself blessed, they are by far the worst pain I have ever had and the bad part is it does not go away for days.

Thank God I've never had one! I've heard that the pain is worse than a woman in labor! Good Luck Mike!

Parkskier153
12-14-2015, 09:00 PM
Every man in my family has had them at least once. I sure hope I dont get them. Seems like im doomed though. My dad had one last year and I swear we thought he was dying until we found out what the pain was.

DocPhil
12-15-2015, 10:02 AM
Traditionally, many doctors would use flomax (and still do) to help pass the stone.

The newer data is showing that it doesn't help at all.

So if your doctor attempts to use flomax, I would question it. It will not help and only increase chances of adverse drug effects

hoosier skier
12-20-2015, 12:18 PM
Had one a few yrs back , I woke up with the worst pain which didnt diminish until the gave me morphine in the ER . I saw my urologist the following Monday and he gave me two days to pass it before he was going to remove it because of its location . The thought of having an instrument pushed up my ***** was terrifying but the pain I was experiencing was worse . I had the procedure done under general anesthesia and had instant relief when I woke . The worse part was the string holding the stent that was taped to my ***** . When I had the stent removed two days later in his office , he had me take a deep breath while he ripped the tape off Mr Happy and pulled the stent in one movement . If I ever have another stone , I hope they just do the removal right away.

JimN
12-20-2015, 02:13 PM
Had one a few yrs back , I woke up with the worst pain which didnt diminish until the gave me morphine in the ER . I saw my urologist the following Monday and he gave me two days to pass it before he was going to remove it because of its location . The thought of having an instrument pushed up my ***** was terrifying but the pain I was experiencing was worse . I had the procedure done under general anesthesia and had instant relief when I woke . The worse part was the string holding the stent that was taped to my ***** . When I had the stent removed two days later in his office , he had me take a deep breath while he ripped the tape off Mr Happy and pulled the stent in one movement . If I ever have another stone , I hope they just do the removal right away.

Sounds like a good way to make someone's head explode.

hoosier skier
12-20-2015, 02:28 PM
Sounds like a good way to make someone's head explode.
You should have seen the look on the faces of the elderly people in the waiting room as I was leaving . I guess I was loud !

customcruiser
12-20-2015, 11:04 PM
I wish there was a string for him to pull on mine.... he had to go back up there while I was awake and grab it with the scope...

I'm having Shockwave Lithotripsy on Wednesday for an 11mm stone and doc said no stent this time

trickskier
12-24-2015, 03:21 PM
I wish there was a string for him to pull on mine.... he had to go back up there while I was awake and grab it with the scope...

I'm having Shockwave Lithotripsy on Wednesday for an 11mm stone and doc said no stent this time

Sum Beach!!!

customcruiser
12-26-2015, 08:46 PM
Had shockwave on the 23rd... all went well and started peeing sand.

Woke up 8am the 24th and passed by 9pm a 5mm fragment.... thought I was good to go and stone free.

Well this morning around 9am apparently I am passing another large (hopefully last) piece of the stone... I tried the prescription pain meds they gave me but kept throwing up and I could only take 11 hours of the pain and now I'm in the ER and after an iv of dilaudid the pain has sudued. They just did a CT scan to see what's left.

This has been the worst 35 days of my life

DocPhil
12-26-2015, 08:46 PM
Had shockwave on the 23rd... all went well and started peeing sand.

Woke up 8am the 24th and passed by 9pm a 5mm fragment.... thought I was good to go and stone free.

Well this morning around 9am apparently I am passing another large (hopefully last) piece of the stone... I tried the prescription pain meds they gave me but kept throwing up and I could only take 11 hours of the pain and now I'm in the ER and after an iv of dilaudid the pain has sudued. They just did a CT scan to see what's left.

This has been the worst 35 days of my life


Dang man. That sucks. I'm sorry you are going through this.

customcruiser
12-26-2015, 10:11 PM
Keeps getting better..... CT came back... I have (4) 5mm stones in a line 14 mm from my bladder.

How does a 10mm breakup into (5) 5mm stones... plus all the sand I pissed out?

DocPhil
12-26-2015, 10:30 PM
Keeps getting better..... CT came back... I have (4) 5mm stones in a line 14 mm from my bladder.

How does a 10mm breakup into (5) 5mm stones... plus all the sand I pissed out?

Think of it in terms of volume.

10 x 10 x 10 mm=1000 mm3

5 x 5 x 5 = 125 mm3


so 5 stones is 625 mm3 PLUS sand

mikeg205
12-27-2015, 10:30 PM
Think of it in terms of volume.

10 x 10 x 10 mm=1000 mm3

5 x 5 x 5 = 125 mm3


so 5 stones is 625 mm3 PLUS sand

yikes that's like a 40 caliber slug.. wow...

customcruiser
12-29-2015, 02:48 PM
Well.... spent more than 36 hours in the Hospital getting 5ml of Morphine every 2 hours until they got me in for emergency surgery yesterday around 4pm... I was having major kidney issues due to the last month of stones in both kidneys and they had to remove my Steinstrasse (German for Stone Street... a complication of shockwave treatment)

Ending up being 6 large stones, 4 - 6 mm wide and 14 mm long.

I unfortunately have another stent that will need removed in a week.

The doc gave me a prescription for 2 Valium to take 30 mins before stent removal... I don't take many drugs (except for the past month) and not sure what 2 pills of Valium will do... any advise on if I need to take both?

curver900
12-29-2015, 06:38 PM
Take both... Valium doesn't work well for me but percocet does wonders!!!When I had mine the only relief I got was like yourself.. Morphine... and that only made me not care it hurt so fricken much... because it still hurt...

Hopefully they will give you some good info on what you need to avoid man that sound miserable...

Here is to a speedy recovery!!!!