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LisaJ
07-29-2013, 12:23 PM
Okay, so it was back up on the ski this weekend, trying to digest ALL of your helpful critiques. Things I tried to focus on:

1) shortened the rope to 15' off. At first it felt like I was trying to ski in a washing machine when I was pulling up.
2) tried to think about flexing at the ankle and placing more weight on my front foot. I thought I manage to get this done. But, after watching the video I see that my front binding is STILL up out of the water.
3) late in the ride, I remember that ya'll said to look at the tow pole instead of off into the distance and I think that helped me crossing the wake more than anything.

The aspect that shocked me the most when I viewed the video was on the water...it felt like I was really getting on my edge at times and that I was flying through the wake. However, upon viewing the video...that's not what I saw. As I'm watching, I'm thinking to myself, "Why do I find this intimidating...it doesn't look intimidating". It just felt SO much FASTER in real life.

I placed my comments in the video to try to describe what I was feeling at that moment. I appreciate any feedback you can provide. It has been tremendous help trying to implement it. I'm most comfortable on traveling on the port side but uncomfortable getting on my edge from that side, heading to the starboard side. Not sure if it shows in the video but I'm ALWAYS uncomfortable on the starboard side (I call this my toe side). I always high tail it out of there if things get shaky. Funny thing is, in the video, I think I look in better form on that side (IMO).


http://youtu.be/wnCFRqorl_w

Okay--ya'll have at it!!!!!

André
07-29-2013, 12:29 PM
Sorry if i miss this info but what ski and size are you on...

chrislandy
07-29-2013, 12:41 PM
You are reducing your edge as you get close to the wake then coming back more on edge when you get to the other side. If you suddenly add weight to your front foot you will effectively stall/brake as you are putting more surface in contact with the water. You've got some better cuts at about 1m into the vid. Try stringing them together so you can build up a rhythm rather than cutting then hanging off to the side then cutting back. It's also a confidence thing, the more progressive a cut and the longer you stay on edge the easier you'll cross the wakes but it takes some getting used to and practice, practice...

LisaJ
07-29-2013, 12:49 PM
It's a HO Couture X Freeride 2013-and it's 65". I got it for my birthday on July 5th. I've never skied before so I can't compare it to anything. But, I can tell you that it feels nice pulling up and stable in bad situations. But, it also feels quick on the draw if I get on an edge hard. IMO

JMLVMI
07-29-2013, 02:25 PM
We're headed out tomorrow morning...I'll have my boat.

TxsRiverRat
07-29-2013, 04:30 PM
From what I could tell (and remember), you're LFF...

observations:

1. You pull out significantly wider on the port side of the boat. this makes u narrowER on that side, which in the long run will always put you in 'catch up mode' if you were in a course

2. your wake crossings, your ski is still headed in the same direction of the boat... It needs to be cross course, not down course

3. i agree with the previous opinion that you're pulling towards the other side, letting off and losing your angle, then pulling again once you get to the other side... it's ONE motion behind the boat, and you have to commit to the position way before that

I will say, you have made a bit of improvement, keep it up and post more vids as you progress

snork
07-29-2013, 05:08 PM
Is that a slalom grip, over/under or both hand over the handle
Slalom skiing as like a tug of war with the boat, looks like the boats winning
Practice cutting out away from the boat where you're at least 4 and 8 o'clock 6 being directly behind the boat, you're 5 and 7, then roll the ski on edge, hold that edge all the way to the opposite side then roll the ski on edge again heading back across the wake, hold edge back to the other side. Repeat, if your ski is flat crossing your wake you're gonna catch air
Don't forget applying weight to the front foot slows down the ski and applying weight to the back foot accelerates the ski

LisaJ
07-29-2013, 05:20 PM
From what I could tell (and remember), you're LFF...

observations:

1. You pull out significantly wider on the port side of the boat. this makes u narrowER on that side, which in the long run will always put you in 'catch up mode' if you were in a course

2. your wake crossings, your ski is still headed in the same direction of the boat... It needs to be cross course, not down course

3. i agree with the previous opinion that you're pulling towards the other side, letting off and losing your angle, then pulling again once you get to the other side... it's ONE motion behind the boat, and you have to commit to the position way before that

I will say, you have made a bit of improvement, keep it up and post more vids as you progress

#2 is clearly evident to me in the video....however, it was NOT apparent to me in real time. I guess because I still have SO much anxiety about that wake. I also think that while skiing... I've misinterpreted rope tension into being on my edge. And it's a real good validation for having someone video you so you can actually see what you're doing. I truly felt that I was on more of an edge that I actually was AND I felt like I was hauling butt at 28 mph.

Your description of being cross course, not down course is really going to stick with me on my next ski session. For some reason, that has made perfect sense and now I just have to suck it up, commit to it and do it!

Any wisdom on why my ski is still bouncing so bad at times? It's like it gets started and then will not stop even if I say to myself, step onto your front foot more. I do not think it's all water conditions.

LisaJ
07-29-2013, 05:26 PM
Is that a slalom grip, over/under or both hand over the handle
Slalom skiing as like a tug of war with the boat, looks like the boats winning
Practice cutting out away from the boat where you're at least 4 and 8 o'clock 6 being directly behind the boat, you're 5 and 7, then roll the ski on edge, hold that edge all the way to the opposite side then roll the ski on edge again heading back across the wake, hold edge back to the other side. Repeat, if your ski is flat crossing your wake you're gonna catch air
Don't forget applying weight to the front foot slows down the ski and applying weight to the back foot accelerates the ski

I didn't realize I was supposed to have a "slalom grip"...I have both hands over the handle.

My ski does catch air and that is mentally what has me backed off my edge at the wake....I didn't realize that I was actually making it worse on myself. All I could envision was jumping W2W on that narrow ski!!!!!

Envisioning the clock will certainly help for reference points.

Ya'll always have good eyes and do a good job of explaining.

Cloaked
07-29-2013, 05:38 PM
Okay, so it was back up on the ski this weekend, trying to digest ALL of your helpful critiques. Things I tried to focus on:

1) shortened the rope to 15' off.!First mistake.

Until you get the basics down of technique, timing, and rhythm, you're doing more harm than good..... Stay on a 75 ft line at a slow(er) speed until you complete a clean pass more than once...

$0.02 .......... Take it or leave it....

.

JMLVMI
07-29-2013, 05:43 PM
My ski does catch air and that is mentally what has me backed off my edge at the wake....I didn't realize that I was actually making it worse on myself. All I could envision was jumping W2W on that narrow ski!!!!!


Think about it this way. If you drop a fruit onto a super sharp knife, what happens? It splits in two. Now drop a fruit on a knife turned broadside and what happens? Bounces off...

It seems scary, but if you have good position through the wakes and are on edge, you will go through the wake much cleaner and without jumping!



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TxsRiverRat
07-29-2013, 06:06 PM
Your description of being cross course, not down course is really going to stick with me on my next ski session. For some reason, that has made perfect sense and now I just have to suck it up, commit to it and do it!

Any wisdom on why my ski is still bouncing so bad at times? It's like it gets started and then will not stop even if I say to myself, step onto your front foot more. I do not think it's all water conditions.

Glad I could help.

Bounce is because of coming off the edge too soon (I am often guilty of this) or going across flat (which is what you are guilty of lol).

I regularly ski behind several different boats besides mine. to name a few, a 93 PS190, a 93 PS205, a 91 PS190, a 98 PS205, a 06 TT 197, a 12 x7 and most recently an 11 200 Nautique... at 15 off, 30 mph, 32 mph and 34 mph, i seriously can not tell the difference in the wakes...

If my 205 wake is bigger than my buddies Nautique, I can't tell because I am on edge all the way across both wakes (at 15 off).

georgea0731
07-30-2013, 12:43 AM
You might want to see a copy of Gordon Rathburn's 12 slalom drills. There use to be some on youtube. It helped me. Builds confidence and the pull out helps with the wake crossing.
good luck, don't rush it or you will pick up bad habits or get injured and loose some of your skiing season. I've done it more then a few seasons trying to get one more buoy.

JMLVMI
07-30-2013, 12:13 PM
I made a playlist that includes all of Gordon Rathbun's 12 tips.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUbCdx_cI5xJFy0nUIKco-5sIJL7Rupfm

LisaJ
07-30-2013, 02:35 PM
I made a playlist that includes all of Gordon Rathbun's 12 tips.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUbCdx_cI5xJFy0nUIKco-5sIJL7Rupfm

You da man!!! Thanks

LisaJ
07-31-2013, 10:47 AM
While I'm changing my handle grip, what leg SHOULD I have forward? I'm skiing with my left leg forward and I'm right handed. In looking through video's, I see that MOST people have their right leg forward.

JMLVMI
07-31-2013, 11:07 AM
While I'm changing my handle grip, what leg SHOULD I have forward? I'm skiing with my left leg forward and I'm right handed. In looking through video's, I see that MOST people have their right leg forward.

Right or left-handed has nothing to do with it. You should ski with whatever feels comfortable. What do you wakeboard with forward?

If you want a trick to find out, have someone stand behind you and push you when you're not expecting it. Whichever leg goes out first...that's your dominant leg and should go forward.

LisaJ
07-31-2013, 11:16 AM
What do you wakeboard with forward?

If you want a trick to find out, have someone stand behind you and push you when you're not expecting it. Whichever leg goes out first...that's your dominant leg and should go forward.

Always left, left, left----others have always questioned me though.

TNH2oSkier
07-31-2013, 11:22 AM
Left leg in front= right palm down left palm up.

LisaJ
07-31-2013, 11:36 AM
Left leg in front= right palm down left palm up.

Oh my...good to know. And do I pull up this way as well or change from both palms down as I've always done to this new grip? Is this going to feel really weird at first?

d2jp
07-31-2013, 12:15 PM
Left leg in front= right palm down left palm up.

Crap, I've been using the wrong grip since 1973.

TxsRiverRat
07-31-2013, 12:17 PM
Crap, I've been using the wrong grip since 1973.

LMAO :D

Me too - since 1991...

JMLVMI
07-31-2013, 02:01 PM
Oh my...good to know. And do I pull up this way as well or change from both palms down as I've always done to this new grip? Is this going to feel really weird at first?

Once again, whatever feels comfortable. I'm pretty sure I pull up that way but I can't remember right now.

Shouldn't feel weird; you'll be able to do a better job bringing the handle to your hips and your arms won't stick out like chicken wings...:D

LisaJ
07-31-2013, 02:26 PM
Once again, whatever feels comfortable. I'm pretty sure I pull up that way but I can't remember right now.

Shouldn't feel weird; you'll be able to do a better job bringing the handle to your hips and your arms won't stick out like chicken wings...:D

That certainly makes sense...chicken wings...I do have to work at keeping my arms up against my vest. While we are at it...I thought I try to use a Big Girl rope for the 1st time this coming weekend. Up until now, I'm using a rope with a deep V in front of the handle and I have my ski tip poked up through it to hold it steady. And it holds it rock still. Any tips on what to concentrate on to make sure I don't start zig zagging all over the place when pulling up? If my left leg is forward, rope on the right side??? Correct?

André
07-31-2013, 02:26 PM
Crap, I've been using the wrong grip since 1973.
Seems like me too.And all my ski partners too!

Maybe Tnh2o has it wrong:confused:

snork
07-31-2013, 08:46 PM
Strong leg in the back, total opposite with wakeboard where strong leg is forward
doesn't matter what side the ropes on but if it makes you feel better put it between the sight of the hands, its all irrelevant when your getting pulled up. as you get stronger the driver need to hammer the throttle to pull you up, noth'n like be'n drug behind a boat with a narrow ski on, talk about breath'n water.
if your skis a sgl boot the back leg should be an extension of your body acting as a rudder, as you begin to be pulled up scissor your legs together and put foot in hold asap eventually put dbl boots on the ski

georgea0731
08-01-2013, 09:58 AM
I was told/taught its like baseball or tennis, if you bat with your left front forward then you ski left foot forward and you grip the handle just like the bat, left hand palm down, right hand palm up. Opposite if you bat right foot forward.
If seems more natural and makes sense to me, but I've been wrong before (once or twice).
Good luck,

André
08-01-2013, 11:07 AM
Must be personnal preference.
Nate Smith is RFF right palm domn...like me!:D:D

André
08-01-2013, 11:15 AM
So is Will Asher.
There are exceptions like in any sport but i think the majority is RFF right palm down
LFF left palm domn.
As usual,ICBdeadW!:)

Kevin 89MC
08-01-2013, 11:33 AM
I ski LFF and when I started skiing the course about 10 years ago, I was told to switch to left palm down. Felt a bit wierd for the one set, but off side turns definitely improved. Most folks I ski with ski the same, but I've definitely seen it both ways. I usually tell people to try it out, give it a few passes, and see if it helps. If not, go back to what is comfortable.

TxsRiverRat
08-01-2013, 11:44 AM
This is totally confusing, my brain is spinning 360s @ 100 mph


:eek3::eek3::eek3::eek3::eek3::eek3:

André
08-01-2013, 11:47 AM
I am confuse too.
Let me check some more of the pros pictures...

Edit:Whitney
LFF left palm down.

André
08-01-2013, 11:52 AM
Regina
RFF right palm down

Edit:She deserve 2 pix since she is world record holder...if it is ok with you guys!

André
08-01-2013, 11:57 AM
How bout God himself!!!

TxsRiverRat
08-01-2013, 11:58 AM
Regina
RFF right palm down

Edit:She deserve 2 pix since she is world record holder...if it is ok with you guys!

Not to mention hot... Me posing for a pic with her at the US Open in Houston 2003: :D

http://s16.postimg.org/kdc62hned/USOpen02.jpg

André
08-01-2013, 12:01 PM
By the way Lisa,look at those skiers position and more precisely hips and handle position!
This is the right way to do it!

TxsRiverRat
08-01-2013, 12:03 PM
By the way Lisa,look at those skiers position and more precisely hips and handle position!
This is the right way to do it!

You mean Regina's hips in the pic I posted? I agree ;)

André
08-01-2013, 12:04 PM
Not to mention hot... Me posing for a pic with her at the US Open in Houston 2003: :D

http://s16.postimg.org/kdc62hned/USOpen02.jpg


I hate you !!!!!!!!!!!:D
But you seem very ...comfortable on that pic!!!

Edit:Taking a second look at it.
Houston,we ve got contact!!!

Mark rsa2au
08-02-2013, 05:17 AM
I hate you !!!!!!!!!!!:D
But you seem very ...comfortable on that pic!!!

Edit:Taking a second look at it.
Houston,we ve got contact!!!

PMSL:purplaugh
Agreed - not fair!

chrislandy
08-02-2013, 06:43 AM
By the way Lisa,look at those skiers position and more precisely hips and handle position!
This is the right way to do it!

If it helps to imagine the position with your hips, when you're up if you clentch/tighten your rear end slightly this will help bring your hips and pelvis forward and towards the handle. It will also help train your body to use your core rather than your back, rib and stomach muscles to keep the position

mikeg205
08-04-2013, 01:01 PM
+1 on on the ski drills... proper stance.. and crossing only water starts to break under your bindings and rope is tight... Tail riding is an indication of wrong stance... Working the 12 drills especially stance and pull out will improve your confidence... it will make your skiing safer as well.

macattack
08-04-2013, 10:08 PM
RFF skiers, right palm facing down, left palm facing up on the handle and vice versa for LFF, right palm facing up, and left palm facing down...this allows for a better power position. Here's a video link with Thomas Moore explaining it...mac

http://waterskimag.com/features/2010/05/06/how-to-fix-your-grip/

JMLVMI
08-04-2013, 10:55 PM
Tournament PB 1.5 @ 38 off, June 2012


That makes me inclined to believe this guy :cool:

TNH2oSkier
08-05-2013, 10:14 AM
Darn totally spaced it..... LFF = Right palm up.

mikeg205
08-08-2013, 11:30 PM
can't fix stupid...lol ;)

http://www.youtube.com/edit?ns=1&video_id=-jhxS4Si1As

TxsRiverRat
08-20-2013, 03:57 PM
That certainly makes sense...chicken wings...I do have to work at keeping my arms up against my vest. While we are at it...I thought I try to use a Big Girl rope for the 1st time this coming weekend. Up until now, I'm using a rope with a deep V in front of the handle and I have my ski tip poked up through it to hold it steady. And it holds it rock still. Any tips on what to concentrate on to make sure I don't start zig zagging all over the place when pulling up? If my left leg is forward, rope on the right side??? Correct?

How's your progress young lady....?

JMLVMI
08-20-2013, 04:11 PM
How's your progress young lady....?

Haha, I was just looking at this thread. She was posting fast and furious for a while and haven't heard anything for a few weeks now.

Me on the other hand...I've got video every time I go out thanks to Ski-Doc :D

What's up LisaJ???

TxsRiverRat
08-20-2013, 05:42 PM
Haha, I was just looking at this thread. She was posting fast and furious for a while and haven't heard anything for a few weeks now.

Me on the other hand...I've got video every time I go out thanks to Ski-Doc :D

What's up LisaJ???

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