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Mastercraft13
06-12-2013, 12:55 PM
Almost at the end of my 25 hour break in period. Manual states to do engine and tranny fluid/filter. Looking through the tranny manual it does not state a p/n or anything for the filter. Any ideas where I can find a filter for my tranny? Manual states this is the ZF 63IV transmission, also calls for ATF any recommendations for both engine and tranny? Was thinking of Mobil1. Any ideas would be appreciated!

CantRepeat
06-12-2013, 01:34 PM
I was told by a very reputable parts person that you do not need to change the transmission filter unless there is an issue with it. Just suck out the old oil and replace it annually.

Mastercraft13
06-12-2013, 02:03 PM
I was told by a very reputable parts person that you do not need to change the transmission filter unless there is an issue with it. Just suck out the old oil and replace it annually.

My dealer said the same thing, but manual says differently. My thought process is that the filter is there for a reason and since this is the break in period this would be the time period you would get the most material due to the gears seating themselves.

ncsone
06-12-2013, 02:06 PM
Filter is a metal mesh screen and only needs to be cleaned, not replaced. Since yours is new, it might be good just to take a look at it for anything significant; otherwise, clean and go.

CantRepeat
06-12-2013, 02:42 PM
Filter is a metal mesh screen and only needs to be cleaned, not replaced. Since yours is new, it might be good just to take a look at it for anything significant; otherwise, clean and go.


Yeah, it's a $150 metal filter that doesn't need to be changed unless it is damaged in some way.

Coolerking
06-12-2013, 03:52 PM
I asked my maintainer the same question and he said: they always remove the transmission oil and inspect it. If it is clean then put new in and leave the filter. He also said that you dont have to change the oil every year but unless you pull the oil out you dont get any early warnings of problems so a catch 22. if there is rubbish in the oil then he would fix the fault and change the filter.

onewheat
06-12-2013, 04:08 PM
ZF Marine Transmission Oil Filter OEM - link (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZF-Marine-Transmission-Oil-Filter-OEM-New-Fits-45A-63-63A-63IV-80A-80IV-85A-85IV/151034561603?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D11%26meid%3D8330582690961600255%26pid%3D100 011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D350786730494%26)

I am in the same place. I just did my oil change and was wondering about the trans filter. I have heard some people say they are metal mesh, but the pics I see for this filter in all of my searches don't appear that way. The part numbers I have found are 3312199031 or 463772. They are apparently the same part - one is a newer number, although I have seen conflicting reports about which one is newer. $50 is the cheapest I have seen and this is link has free shipping. I have seen this same part number up to $100 with $14.95 shipping or some BS like that.

I was also tossing around the options of which tranny fluid to replace it with, but I haven't seen anything pointing me one way or the other. I was leaning towards Mobil 1 as well though.

I also read that you can get more oil out of the transmission by sucking it out through the filter hole vs. using the dipstick hole. I don't know if that is true or not - it was on the internet, so it must be true, right?

megapea
06-13-2013, 12:07 PM
I replace my transmission fluid every Fall when I winterize the boat. I use a vacuum pump ( called "LiquiVac") that I got at Home Depot in the mower section, and it does a great job. My only complaint is that it only holds 3 quarts, and my tranny holds just over 4 quarts, so you have to empty into a larger container half way thru. I suck the fluid out through the hole under the filter, not the dipstick hole. I have never changed my filter. It is metal, and I just clean it good with brake cleaner, dry it well, and re-install. I changed over last fall from ATF to 15W40 after reading the bulletin from Indmar, but I haven't had it out on the water yet this year to post any opinions on the changeover.

blackhawk
10-02-2013, 11:00 PM
I have a 2006 X15 with the ZF 63IV transmission. The pictures of the 3312199031 filter looks like it has a paper element behind the metal housing on the outside. Has anyone bought one of these yet? Is there a paper element?

My transmission has a plug that faces to the port side that is right under the filter. Megapea says that he has to suck the oil out through this hole. I would think that the oil would drain freely out this hole???

MattsCraft
10-03-2013, 10:57 AM
The trans filter is metal, only needs to be cleaned. (Gas or carb cleaner) Once per year is sufficient. Indmar went to 15W 40 sometime around 2008 I think to help dampen the low rpm singing. My '09 had 15W40 from day one, changed it annually, 380 hours, never changed the trans filter only cleaned. My '09 still had the low rpm singing, my '13 does not.

Ilmor has gone back to ATF, not sure why.

Jonb1822
06-16-2014, 11:03 AM
http://m.ebay.com/itm?itemId=151034561603

So will this work on 2014 models?

CantRepeat
06-16-2014, 11:12 AM
http://m.ebay.com/itm?itemId=151034561603

So will this work on 2014 models?

What transmission do you have; there is a tag on it with the model number.

That should work for you.

06MCX15
06-18-2014, 12:52 AM
Being that I am very familiar with ZF products, I would change the filter every season. It's cheap insurance. I put on about 130 hours a season for reference. The transmission is very solid, but you must take good care of it.


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CantRepeat
06-18-2014, 08:40 AM
Being that I am very familiar with ZF products, I would change the filter every season. It's cheap insurance. I put on about 130 hours a season for reference. The transmission is very solid, but you must take good care of it.


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Why do you say it should be changed? Everyone I've ever talk to that works for dealerships say there is no need. It's a metal mesh screen filter so unless it's damaged a new filter wont filter any better then the old one.

Take it out each year when you change the oil and inspect and clean it. Wash it in gas and then blow it out with compressed air.

MattsCraft
06-18-2014, 09:13 AM
^^^ Totally agree:D

06MCX15
06-18-2014, 12:32 PM
Why do you say it should be changed? Everyone I've ever talk to that works for dealerships say there is no need. It's a metal mesh screen filter so unless it's damaged a new filter wont filter any better then the old one.

Take it out each year when you change the oil and inspect and clean it. Wash it in gas and then blow it out with compressed air.

So I called the Engineers at ZF Hurth, as I have access to them, and this is basically what they told me:

The filter is made of a woven metal corrugated mesh screen and is designed to capture metal particulate in the transmission that develops over time during normal use. This screen was designed to trap the particulate and not let it out. Therefore, over time, the filter will develop a greater pressure drop across it. They recommended a change yearly.

Now, that being said, you can see the reply is very Engineer like. Being that I am an Engineer, I have taken thier recommendation. I cant help myself....however my filters are very, very, very cheap :cool:

I could also agree that performing a good chemical washing and blowing it out with compressed air would be a good compromise to stretch out the filter for a couple of years. This is when you would really want to change the gaskets on the filter anyway. It is really an individual call. Just keep this in mind. ZF prides itself in making the Swiss watch of transmissions. All of the tolerencing is very tight to provide precision quality power transmission. Knowing this, I choose to change the filter after about 130 hours of service...even if I end up having to pay dealer pricing for the filter in the future.

CantRepeat
06-18-2014, 03:47 PM
If you have metal particles in your transmission you have bigger issues then not changing the filter. The only thing that is a wearable part during normal operation would be the friction disc and plates and with proper care, operation and maintenance that should not be happening either.

The size of the mesh in this filter wouldn't trap anything other then large chunks of metal. If you are getting this kind of metal it would indicate pending catastrophic failure. The kind of metal or material t hat comes from friction disc or plates would need a magnet to trap it.

That filter will not trap anything you cannot wash from the filter with just brake cleaner and compressed air. If it's trapping something you can see with the naked eye you'd better be worried.

I'm not an engineer, just a retired grunt that works on stuff.

Mastercraft13
07-14-2014, 06:03 PM
I am going to be changing my trans fluid, manual and dealer says to use good old dextron ATF. My question to all of you is brand choice? Regular or synthetic? I think I read on here to stay away from synthetic on the tranny for some reason?

Any opinions would be appreciated.