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Tristarboarder
05-25-2013, 09:01 PM
Hello my friends,

So I have been on a search for something bigger than my Tristar, with not much luck. I came across this '02 X7. I spoke with the owner on the phone, and have scheduled a visit tommorrow to check it out (2 hour drive). In the c.l. ad they stated that it needs a new "brain" because some of the gauges are inop. They were thinking from memory that the hours gauge, the speedo, and something else didn't work. I asked if they priced it, and they said $1400.00 for the ecu. Now the kicker. The ad stated that the boat needed a "new tow ball" on the tower. Apparently she hit a bridge and broke off the tow ball on the tower. She said that there was a slight bend in the tower, but the ball was basically broken off. She still has the ball, and srhe told me she asked a shop and they said it could be welded back on?????? Ayone ever heard of damage like this, and what are opinions if this could be safely repaired to board behind?? No perfect pass or cruise, it does have a fat sack under the rear bench, petty good stereo, and only 176 hours. Checkout the ad, looking for any and all opinions. What would ya pay, if any, considering the damage. I am fairly mechanical, so not a deal breaker....NADA value was approx 19K


http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/3826584285.html

Flatwaterfooter
05-25-2013, 10:49 PM
Not sure you will gain room with the X7/197. As far as the gauges go this is what you need http://www.waterskis.com/508062-p/mastercraft_mmdc_box_02_04.htm

I would give the boat a real good look over if they hit a bridge hard enough to break and bend tower. Look for cracks and weld breaks with tower. All areas the tower connects to boat look for damage

JRW160
05-25-2013, 11:42 PM
The top of that tower is bent. It should be straight across, not bent backwards. I would bet it will be hard to fold due to misalignment from the impact. Check for cracks in the tower and the gelcoat around the Mount points

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Tristarboarder
05-25-2013, 11:47 PM
If we go, I definitely plan on checking the tower out very closely; especially the attach points on the hull. I would imagine if the impact was substantial enough, if would surely create spider cracks on the gel where the tower is connected. I realize it won't be much bigger than my Tristar 190 closed bow, but bigger none the less. Anybody seen the wake in an X7? What would be a good negotiating price with the obvious issues at hand? Thanks for the link on the computer....1400 was probably a shop estimate

JimN
05-25-2013, 11:47 PM
Hello my friends,

So I have been on a search for something bigger than my Tristar, with not much luck. I came across this '02 X7. I spoke with the owner on the phone, and have scheduled a visit tommorrow to check it out (2 hour drive). In the c.l. ad they stated that it needs a new "brain" because some of the gauges are inop. They were thinking from memory that the hours gauge, the speedo, and something else didn't work. I asked if they priced it, and they said $1400.00 for the ecu. Now the kicker. The ad stated that the boat needed a "new tow ball" on the tower. Apparently she hit a bridge and broke off the tow ball on the tower. She said that there was a slight bend in the tower, but the ball was basically broken off. She still has the ball, and srhe told me she asked a shop and they said it could be welded back on?????? Ayone ever heard of damage like this, and what are opinions if this could be safely repaired to board behind?? No perfect pass or cruise, it does have a fat sack under the rear bench, petty good stereo, and only 176 hours. Checkout the ad, looking for any and all opinions. What would ya pay, if any, considering the damage. I am fairly mechanical, so not a deal breaker....NADA value was approx 19K


http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/3826584285.html

Do a complete marine survey- it will save you money in the long run and it might make you not buy it, if enough problems are found. It does look clean, although the bare aluminum on the black plenum looks corroded. Was it run in salt water?

Call around for the MDU box for the gauges- that sounds high. If that price includes a bunch of new gauges, it may be an OK price.

Tristarboarder
05-25-2013, 11:52 PM
Is it possible to get a new "OEM" MasterCraft tower to replace? Not some off brand like monster...price? Can you get a newer style OEM from MC?

JRW160
05-26-2013, 12:45 AM
Is it possible to get a new "OEM" MasterCraft tower to replace? Not some off brand like monster...price? Can you get a newer style OEM from MC?

You can get that tower from new dimension, but a lot of people have had problems with their customer service lately

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madcityskier
05-31-2013, 09:16 AM
Bump.
I'm guessing new tower + likely hull / glass damage + bad gauges = non boater who has a boat with significant other problems....
But if not, you might be able to make a real sweet deal on a completed project. I'd love to hear how this played out.

Rossterman
05-31-2013, 10:01 AM
Do a complete marine survey- it will save you money in the long run and it might make you not buy it, if enough problems are found. It does look clean, although the bare aluminum on the black plenum looks corroded. Was it run in salt water?

Call around for the MDU box for the gauges- that sounds high. If that price includes a bunch of new gauges, it may be an OK price.

Thought the same thing about saltwater use seeing that plenum. As others have said, get it to a m/c dealer for a owner transfer inspection. Usually ~ $250 and they have a very thorough multipoint inspection including verifying compression, ecu hours, etc. Have them give you their judgement as to saltwater use as well.

You need a medallion guage box and at least the upper tower section so have them include replacing these (and anything else found in the quote). That will get you in an educated bargaining position on price. If you are a DIYer, contact new demension and get cost of replacement tower as bare minimum outlay + $600 for the medallion as these can be easily done by someone without any specific boat repair skills. Structural damage is another issue....

Tristarboarder
05-31-2013, 10:59 AM
Thanks to all who replied. After much oscillation, I decided to pass....the main reasons are not because of the damage etc, because overall it is a pretty clean boat. I just don't want to spend my Summer fixing up yet another boat.....and one that is barely bigger than my current "former project" now descent Tristar. I now have my eyes on an '03 X-10.....the upgrade search continues....

FlyHighorDie
05-31-2013, 11:53 AM
I know 46Chief would have an answer for performance. He rides behind a 197 and he would most likely have some parts for that boat if needed. Maybe an ecu! PM him.

Traxx822
05-31-2013, 12:42 PM
You can get that tower from new dimension, but a lot of people have had problems with their customer service lately

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I second that. There is no other tower as nice as NDT, but my experience was terrible. They still owe me $75.00 for overcharging me even after they said they would refund it.. And a brand new tower with every single option available should not have dings and gouges in it. As well, the stip is you have to inspect it before taking delivery. Problem was that I had to pick it up myself from the shipping yard and they wouldn't let me inspect it. Their towers are awesome. But their customer service is terrible.

I don't want that to deter you from getting one. But realize that you need to be on your A game as far as making sure you get what you paid for.

Good luck in your search

TayMC197
05-31-2013, 12:59 PM
The ball on those towers are rear mounted, very easy to break off in that situation, would still have tower damage though, might not affect anything but they seem careless, look it over well.

TxsRiverRat
05-31-2013, 03:26 PM
FYI, the X7 I believe is on the 197 hull, and has an awesome slalom wake...

mzimme
05-31-2013, 03:35 PM
FYI, the X7 I believe is on the 197 hull, and has an awesome slalom wake...

Yeah, x7 is just the 197 with a tower and ballast.

TxsRiverRat
05-31-2013, 03:44 PM
my buddy with the 2012 X7 just bought a surf board, we'll have my slalom slut and his surfing ho out tomorrow :D

Tristarboarder
05-31-2013, 04:09 PM
I found another X7 for sale....let me know river rat how the wake is. I would be using it strictly for wakeboarding and maybe surfing. Really curious how the wake transforms after that rear sac is filled.....I know, I know, another ski boat with a tower....just like my Tristar

mzimme
05-31-2013, 04:43 PM
I found another X7 for sale....let me know river rat how the wake is. I would be using it strictly for wakeboarding and maybe surfing. Really curious how the wake transforms after that rear sac is filled.....I know, I know, another ski boat with a tower....just like my Tristar

If you want a boat for boarding and surfing, look at the X9 over an X7, or into one of the 205v hull boats. The X7 is made to have a flat wake.

Tristarboarder
05-31-2013, 05:06 PM
I have looked all over the west coast (ca, mt, or, id, wa, co, etc) for a 205v...hard to find 2002-2005...I gave a call on an X-10, but the owner is kind of shady, hard to get a hold of, takes 2 days to respond to emails, texts, etc. Took 8 days to provide better pictures than what was on Craigslist... Then I found an 03 X7, cherry condition, only 175 hours....maddening I tell ya

TxsRiverRat
05-31-2013, 05:06 PM
let me know river rat how the wake is. I would be using it strictly for wakeboarding and maybe surfing

I will DEFINITELY try to surf behind it, i already know 1st hand for sure the slalom wake is outstanding.

MC