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wakeX2wake
04-19-2013, 03:19 PM
I know a lot of you guys on here have experience with this where I do not.

Within the next week or so I'm going to change up my graphics package on my X2.

I guess I'm looking for tips on ensuring I get the best possible adhesion which i would imagine the most important part would be surface prep. Any advice would be appreciated.

Plan is to use heat gun to remove current decals, prep surface, develop alignment method and decide on positioning (use masking tape and measurement tools), apply, and finish.

I'll definitely post before and after pics if I can get help.

I really want these to stay bc the supply is limited and wasn't cheap.

SSMoose
04-19-2013, 03:48 PM
I will be very interested in reading and seeing methods myself. I will be replacing my S+S graphics this year. Maybe we can all learn something here. Please do post pics, as I am sure that there will be the usual outpouring of information coming.

GoinBoatin
04-19-2013, 04:03 PM
I used an eraser wheel to get my old graphics off my old boat.it hooks up to a drill and rubs e decals off without marring or damaging your boat. After that some goof off to remove any left over residue then maybe a full wash and wipedown with acetone? Let dry and apply.

Maybe others will disagree but this is how I would do it.

pmikler
04-19-2013, 04:45 PM
I'll second the eraser wheel. While I didn't use it I wish I had.

I went through this website and there was lot of info on using chemicals. Went ahead and used acetone but afterwords I happened across a thread that said it can soften the gel. On one side I have some slight yellowing on/in my white gel and i wonder if its from the acetone.

It bugs the fricken h*ll out of me

BrooksfamX2
04-19-2013, 04:53 PM
What are you changing to.....I removed mine, not sure if/what I want to put on.........

JRW160
04-19-2013, 05:15 PM
I took my old ones off using a heat gun and peeling them by hand. I buffed and polished the boat after that. I used acetone to prep the surface. If you are afraid of acetone, just use some rubbing alcohol. I measured and used masking tape to get the alignment right. It's tough to figure out exactly where you want them and what you want to reference to.

A lot of people spray a soapy water mix then apply the decals and squeeze the water out from behind the decals. I didn't do this, but I wish I had. I ended up with a few air bubbles in mine. They are really tough to get out after the fact with the drip molded decals. 99% of people could look closely at the decals and never notice the air bubbles, but they kinda bother me.

This video shows the method I was trying to describe. Where is that guy from? I've never heard anyone pronounce decal like that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw-MSNdL8wg

mikeg205
04-19-2013, 05:48 PM
Process to prep...

#1 Use hot water and dawn dishwashing soap... put enough dawn in so water feels slippery... wash area down well rinse...rinse...rinse...

#2 Get at least 30% isopropyl alcohol white down with cloth towels... let dry...

#3 Get some lint free towels and wipe down again with isopropyl.

You can use this for to aid in application... https://www.signsplusbanners.com/itemdetail.php?sku=B26750&p=Vinyl+Application&c=Fluids%2C+Cleaners+%26+Sealers&s=Vinyl+Applicationse

get one of these to squeegee the graphics from the transfer tape .. this is the best one out there..

https://www.signsplusbanners.com/itemdetail.php?sku=MM-5001&p=Vinyl+Application&c=Application+Tools&s=Hand+Squeegees

mikeg205
04-19-2013, 05:52 PM
If you want it to last get some edge sealer... this will keep the edges from coming up.

https://www.signsplusbanners.com/itemdetail.php?sku=S-PEN&keyword=pen&x=-705&y=-55&techspec=&p=Digital+Printing&c=Liquid+Laminates

I work in the industry - not a certified installer - but know the products... take your time...

thatsmrmastercraft
04-20-2013, 12:49 AM
Good answers Mike! I will be ordering those supplies in case it ever warms up enough here in MN for me to put my graphics on.

mikeg205
04-20-2013, 10:48 AM
Good answers Mike! I will be ordering those supplies in case it ever warms up enough here in MN for me to put my graphics on.

Oh yeah I should of mention 70-80 degrees - optimal application temperature... Doh!

thatsmrmastercraft
04-20-2013, 11:53 AM
Oh yeah I should of mention 70-80 degrees - optimal application temperature... Doh!

So I'm thinking..................maybe the 4th of Julyhttp://www.7thgenhonda.com/forum/images/smilies/dunno.gif

mikeg205
04-20-2013, 11:53 AM
So I'm thinking..................maybe the 4th of Julyhttp://www.7thgenhonda.com/forum/images/smilies/dunno.gif

If we're lucky... at this rate...but knowing the midwest...it will be 90 in 3 weeks... ;)

thatsmrmastercraft
04-20-2013, 11:55 AM
If we're lucky... at this rate...but knowing the midwest...it will be 90 in 3 weeks... ;)

Furnace running at night..............A/C by afternoon.:rolleyes:

Cloaked
04-21-2013, 09:15 PM
........... develop alignment method . I use a cheap self-leveling level similar to this one ( http://www.harborfreight.com/self-leveling-laser-level-69243.html ) for alignment. My level has came in handy many times over once I started using it, so the investment is well worth the $50 or so. I think I paid $60 for a cheap version. Works like a charm.

Level the boat with a small level (torpedo level or any other level) and the trailer tongue jack, then use the laser level to shoot a line to follow. No tape needed. The laser line stays right there for as long as the 9V battery is good (I get long life from a 9V).

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wakeX2wake
04-22-2013, 01:11 PM
thanks for the input guys. i'll be carefully taking all of this into consideration.

good to have a thread that's got all of this info in one spot.

wakeX2wake
04-22-2013, 01:13 PM
What are you changing to.....I removed mine, not sure if/what I want to put on.........

I ordered a larger mirrored domed "MasterCraft" decal for the side and I'm taking the same "2" thats currently under the switch X and putting it on the rear where the smaller "MasterCraft" logo was. I just want to update the look. its too plain for my liking with all the graphics removed and looks a little dated with what's on there now. "that's sooooo like 5 years ago" ::said like a valley girl::

Legolamb
04-23-2013, 07:45 AM
Process to prep...

#1 Use hot water and dawn dishwashing soap... put enough dawn in so water feels slippery... wash area down well rinse...rinse...rinse...

#2 Get at least 30% isopropyl alcohol white down with cloth towels... let dry...

#3 Get some lint free towels and wipe down again with isopropyl.

You can use this for to aid in application... https://www.signsplusbanners.com/itemdetail.php?sku=B26750&p=Vinyl+Application&c=Fluids%2C+Cleaners+%26+Sealers&s=Vinyl+Applicationse

get one of these to squeegee the graphics from the transfer tape .. this is the best one out there..

https://www.signsplusbanners.com/itemdetail.php?sku=MM-5001&p=Vinyl+Application&c=Application+Tools&s=Hand+Squeegees

Thanks for the info Mike, so do you recommend using the wet application method? I did my stern decals dry last year and they turned out pretty good, but I did have a few bubbles that stayed even when I popped them and tried to smooth them out. I am going to replace the side decals this year and wonder if I should spray the water/soap mix. Also with the sealer pen you recommend, do you just trace around the edges of the whole decal when dry?

mikeg205
04-23-2013, 11:25 AM
Thanks for the info Mike, so do you recommend using the wet application method? I did my stern decals dry last year and they turned out pretty good, but I did have a few bubbles that stayed even when I popped them and tried to smooth them out. I am going to replace the side decals this year and wonder if I should spray the water/soap mix. Also with the sealer pen you recommend, do you just trace around the edges of the whole decal when dry?

Regarding the pen - yes - use only when dry.

Regarding wet application - It will help you if you don't do this a lot. Distilled water will also allow you to position the decals - I don't recommend soapy water spray - get application solution as it dries without any residue...these decals aren't cheap so a few extra buck for application solution is worth it. Also a little heat works well too if the ambient temperature is below 65 degrees.

The spray soap mix is usually used (great english...lol) on window tint. The adhesive is designed for that. If you are ordering your graphics from a vinyl shop you can request air-egress vinyl which actually has air channels on the adhesive side to aid in moving air bubbles
out of the decal or wrap.



An extra set of hands for lining up the decal is best since magnets can't help to hold things in place.

Oh and don't forget the lawn chair and 6 pack to enjoy and stare at a job well done... :)

mikeg205
04-23-2013, 11:31 AM
I will be very interested in reading and seeing methods myself. I will be replacing my S+S graphics this year. Maybe we can all learn something here. Please do post pics, as I am sure that there will be the usual outpouring of information coming.

SS I replaced all these graphics - and some on these shots below. My plan is to replace the Hull decals eventually with metallic vinyl. The trailer decals are DOT orange and red reflective.

SSMoose
04-23-2013, 03:34 PM
Just too sweet. Thanks for the pics. Remember, around here without pics it didn't happen!
This is a super thread.
:cool:

mikeg205
04-23-2013, 03:42 PM
Now what I need is access to a flat bed cutter to cut some new anti skid decals for the steps on my trailer...

thatsmrmastercraft
04-23-2013, 04:00 PM
Now what I need is access to a flat bed cutter to cut some new anti skid decals for the steps on my trailer...

What, no connections????

mikeg205
04-23-2013, 04:15 PM
What, no connections????

Yeah - but don't want to impose... I asked to purchase those IDOT colored decals and I got them for free.

I know if I even mention it - they will send them down... my friends are up in Appleton, WI.

thatsmrmastercraft
04-23-2013, 04:19 PM
Yeah - but don't want to impose... I asked to purchase those IDOT colored decals and I got them for free.

I know if I even mention it - they will send them down... my friends are up in Appleton, WI.

I smell what you're steppin' in.:rolleyes: