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Hoosier Bob
09-22-2005, 10:34 PM
I have just returned from my annual Service Club golf outing. I played well. The Service Club is compiled of a group of ex WWII and Korea Veterans. Every year I am amazed at the quality and fortitude of these people. We play golf and have dinner. The dinner table stories are of nothing I have ever heard before. They speak of fallen brothers and mishaps at mess. Tonight I heard, ":what ever happened to suldowski?" You know! He was killed by that sniper outside of some town in some place. What about the 1,500 we have lost so far in Iraq? What about the 6,000 we lost at Iwo? Point being taken is that every year I wonder what I could do to pay these guys back and I have come to realize that they did it because they feel they owe us! They would leave today and do it all over again! These guys are bad Mo Fo's and would level anything that would threaten you or me! They are our fathers and friends. They've lost more friends then we may ever know. They are a lost breed that needs to be remembered. No matter what war, no matter how far they deserve much more than we can ever give. They are the ones that save the day, score the touchdown, consider it a job well done and return, one way or another, to their homeland, the USA. I doubt I will ever experience this dedication to a common group of people so strong. I never served and at this stage in my life I probably won't. I would like to say I appreciate all that have fallen for me and those that will fight for me no matter if I believe or not. They were called and they answered, big time! Sorry for the rant but these guys and girls deserve it. Thanks also for the forum.
HB

Workin' 4 Toys
09-22-2005, 10:41 PM
I wish I could show a salute. Thanks to all those who have put their lives on the line for us in the line of duty. Nicely done HB.

Mag_Red
09-22-2005, 10:45 PM
I couldn't have said it better HB. My Dad still goes all over the country for re-unions of the Fighting 72nd Sea Bee's. He says they loose a vet every meeting. :(

Hoosier Bob
09-22-2005, 10:47 PM
I appreciate this site but tonight really tore me up! I usually have a great time and head home but these guys are a different breed. I get the idea here we would all do the same for them and expect nothing in return. I sometimes feel like a GNAT on some water buffalo's *** compared to these guys. What an incredible honor it is to have these people as our parents, friends and protectors!
See ya! I wish I could show a salute. Thanks to all those who have put their lives on the line for us in the line of duty. Nicely done HB.

redmike
09-22-2005, 10:57 PM
I totally agree bob, even though I served, I do not even count myself in the same catagory as the the people you mentioned.

Hoosier Bob
09-22-2005, 11:05 PM
That is it! You served and expect nothing! Wall Street, Marketing or what have you. I have never left for work wondering if I may get shot or blown up! You have and it is just expected! These guys and yourself don't expect an f'ing thing! They did it and it's over. Just sitting there listening to these guys was amazing. They are so incredibly serving and will be that way forever. Way to go! Tonight was great but it kinda got to me!I totally agree bob, even though I served, I do not even count myself in the same catagory as the the people you mentioned.

milkmania
09-22-2005, 11:26 PM
I always make it a point when I see someone parking their vehicle with the Purple Heart tag, to walk up to them and shake their hand and tell them Thank You for serving our country.

these are the tags I speak of
http://images.google.com/images?q=purple+heart+license+plate&btnG=Search&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off




http://www.oktax.state.ok.us/oktax/plates/pheart.gif

erkoehler
09-24-2005, 01:14 AM
I have never seen a tag like that before.

Hoosier Bob
09-21-2006, 10:10 PM
Wow! It has been one year and this is the third year I have spent with the Service club. Today I had the priviledge of playing golf with a WWII squadron commander and a WWII P O W! Bob Palmer was extrememly happy to find that when he enlisted in the Airforce that those 5'8" and under went to fighter school! P-51 Mustangs for Bob! He trained and was ready but was then sent to somewhere in New Mexico to take over a B-24 Liberator! Not what he had expected. He flew 175 missions most of which were not under fighter support in the Pacific. Next was Neal Cobb. Neal enlisted 2 days after he turned 18. He said he would have enlisted on his birthday but it was on a Saturday and the recruiting office was not opened on Saturdays and Sundays. Bob was lucky enough to pull navigation duties on a B-24 bomber in and near Italy. His first crew suffered a bad loss so he and two other guys were sent on a short leave. Another crew suffered losses very similar to theirs and the crews were merged. Neil's bomber suffered major damage over I am guessing, SLOVENIA? German allies. John his tail gunner of Italion decent, the pilot, copilot and another were very badly injured. Neal was also schooled in gunnery and was sent to man the tail gun. He pulled John from the tail gun and bandaged him up as best as he could. His parachute that all wore had a first aid kit on the strap. He expected John and the others would not make it. Long story short is the plane went down. He says three of the crew members went down with her just to avoid capture. Neal and John were not so lucky as they were captured and spent time in a POW camp. One night they were all released and really had no idea were they were. 350 miles of trial and tribulation they were lucke enough to have been located or to have located an OSS post. Neal said he and none other than John the tailgunner returned 40 years later to the site. The farm where the plane crashed is still there and a son of the father who was killed by the debris is still there. John calls Neal every 2weeks and is 90 years old. These guys are unselfish, proud and have done everything for all we have today. They did it because it was the thing to do. There would be no X-Box, George Foreman Grill and no MasterCraft without them! God bless from whom I am born! God bless the USA and those who have served her proudly and without regret!
Hoosier.

6ballsisall
09-21-2006, 10:13 PM
HB did you serve???

Hoosier Bob
09-21-2006, 10:19 PM
Nope! I love the service but all I can say is I spent 3 years in millitary school(Go Figure). I would like to think that those who know me understand I would do whatever it takes to unselfishly protect what is ours. My father and these guys did so, I am guessing, so I would not have to. This was the second of wars to end all wars. I have the utmost respect for these people and appreciate the incredible people they are. Yes I feel like a gnat on some waterbuffalo's arse compared to these people!
HB
Sorry Jeff as I doubt I made that very clear in the above posts.

Monte
09-21-2006, 10:40 PM
HB I understand where you're coming from on the respect thing, My brother is a Recon Marine... inactive right now (served his four.. now on reserve). Mom told me lateley when she called him he was quiet sounding.. So, I call him over for beer and football.... we talk and he says that he is getting his game face on... He doesn't mind going back.. It's his duty.. But buddies are getting called which means he may get the call.. If so its go time!! That my friends is a man I have some respect for!!! HB good thread!

6ballsisall
09-21-2006, 10:44 PM
Nope! I love the service but all I can say is I spent 3 years in millitary school(Go Figure). I would like to think that those who know me understand I would do whatever it takes to unselfishly protect what is ours. My father and these guys did so, I am guessing, so I would not have to. This was the second of wars to end all wars. I have the utmost respect for these people and appreciate the incredible people they are. Yes I feel like a gnat on some waterbuffalo's arse compared to these people!
HB
Sorry Jeff as I doubt I made that very clear in the above posts.


H.B. I think thats about the coolest thing I have heard all month ( you going as a non-veteran to support this) I commend you and next time we meet unlimited Beers are on me.

I personally don't have any family that I know of that has served (take that back, one cousin on a submarine) but for some reason have always been very drawn too and been overly patriotic and loyal to our armed forces. If these sort of service clubs are open to the general public to attend please let me know. I'd like to go and honor those that given lots for the betterhood of our country and it's countrymen.

I feel glad to know peeps like you HB.

Hoosier Bob
09-21-2006, 10:53 PM
Weird thing is supposedly this is the only known service club and membership is not growing. These are all WWII through Korea veterans and their family members. I am extremely priviledged to have known them. I have said before that you can thank them but I have always gotten the feeling that they feel like they owed you and myself and would have given more if they could have. In a selfish world these guys stand out. Oh I forgot to mention Phil Minton (spelling) who was dressed in an Orange Tennessee cap, socks and shirt! Remind you of someone? I am just happy to have been able to have been invited to spend time with them. A different breed!

Monte, Give your brother our regards and let him know we understand all we have is due to himself and those before him. Take care!

Monte
09-21-2006, 11:02 PM
Will do........

Hoosier Bob
09-21-2006, 11:11 PM
This is one of the guys I played golf with today! Still giving!:)
http://www.mealsonwheelsindy.org/palmer.htm

LakePirate
09-21-2006, 11:14 PM
Monte - God Speed to your brother.

HB - I think it is great that you support these heroes.

Both of my grandfathers served, one lied about his age and joined the Navy in WWII. He served on the U.S.S Intrepid which is currently docked in New York harbor. I have the privilege of touring it with him and it was one of the most memorable experiences I have ever had in my life. My other grandfather was in Korea. He served in the 54th Infantry (I believe). Until recently he never really spoke of his experiences in the war but lately he has started to open up. Some of the things that he has done and seen are truly amazing. His platoon was marching up Pork Chop hill when he heard a call "PFC Pruett Fall Out". He had not taken a day of leave since he enlisted and got an early discharge. His platoon continued up Pork Chop hill and got wiped out.

I am truly proud to have Grandfathers who stood up when in need and answered the call of duty. I am also proud to be an American and have the utmost respect for all of our service men and women who have served in the past and those currently serving.

- Glad to see that Phil Minion has good taste in clothing.

6ballsisall
09-21-2006, 11:18 PM
Monte though I may not ever meet your brother please shake his hand for me and tell him I say thank you for all he has done and does for my family.

Hoosier Bob
09-21-2006, 11:20 PM
DId you see the link to DR Bob I posted. The guy is amazing!

Monte
09-22-2006, 08:32 AM
Read the article last night... we can only hope to try and shoot our age at 90.. the irony there is his service is a big part of the reason he has that opportunity..

RexDog1
09-22-2006, 10:12 AM
I have just returned from my annual Service Club golf outing. I played well. The Service Club is compiled of a group of ex WWII and Korea Veterans. Every year I am amazed at the quality and fortitude of these people. We play golf and have dinner. The dinner table stories are of nothing I have ever heard before. They speak of fallen brothers and mishaps at mess. Tonight I heard, ":what ever happened to suldowski?" You know! He was killed by that sniper outside of some town in some place. What about the 1,500 we have lost so far in Iraq? What about the 6,000 we lost at Iwo? Point being taken is that every year I wonder what I could do to pay these guys back and I have come to realize that they did it because they feel they owe us! They would leave today and do it all over again! These guys are bad Mo Fo's and would level anything that would threaten you or me! They are our fathers and friends. They've lost more friends then we may ever know. They are a lost breed that needs to be remembered. No matter what war, no matter how far they deserve much more than we can ever give. They are the ones that save the day, score the touchdown, consider it a job well done and return, one way or another, to their homeland, the USA. I doubt I will ever experience this dedication to a common group of people so strong. I never served and at this stage in my life I probably won't. I would like to say I appreciate all that have fallen for me and those that will fight for me no matter if I believe or not. They were called and they answered, big time! Sorry for the rant but these guys and girls deserve it. Thanks also for the forum.
HB

HB
Well Said………..

It is easy to go thought our days forgetting that we have men and women
Dieing for our freedom each day, and the men and women that have given
There lives for our freedom in the past …………

How do you say Thank You to the men and women that serve us?

Bye looking them in to there face and saying “Thank You”

It is a small thing, but to them, it goes a long ways

Ric
09-22-2006, 10:23 AM
Good thread HB
I dont know how I missed it a year ago! Wait yes I do, I was runnin like hell from a hurricane!

We'll never be able to completely repay those who have fought and those who have died for our freedom but we can remember it as we vote!

I don't want to go off on a rant here but the emotion you get when you read HB's story of the Vets ought to somehow be bottled so you can pop it open in the voting booth when you read some of the scoundrels names on the ballot who block that same emotion of their own when promoting their causes.

Hoosier Bob
09-22-2006, 10:24 AM
More info on my golfing partner yesterday (Robert (Bob) Palmer).
I though 175 missions sounded a little high but here it is!
http://www.atterburybakalarairmuseum.org/afa.htm
Wow!

LakePirate
09-22-2006, 10:37 AM
Before he passed away last year I had the opportunity to meet and help organize the Birthday Golf Tournament for Brigadier General Robert L. Scott, author of God is my Co-Pilot. His bio is here. (http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=7088) An excerpt from his book really says it all


"We were fighting for the American Girl.....Democracy, Coca-Colas, Hamburgers, Clean Places to Sleep or the American Way of Life."

Hoosier Bob
09-22-2006, 10:46 AM
Very cool Lakey. It is nice to meet people of this caliber and so amazing as to how well grounded they are. Nicest people you can meet more often than not are extremely successful.

shepherd
09-22-2006, 10:57 AM
Thanks for the thread HB. It reminded me of my father's friend and my godfather Erik Shilling who flew with the Flying Tigers in China (http://www.warbirdforum.com/erikrip.htm ). He is the guy who came up with the shark's teeth design on the front of the planes. After WWII he stayed in SE Asia, eventually flying covert missions for the CIA into communist China, Laos, etc. That guy could tell some stories... Actually, he put a lot of them into a book.

Like the other guys you all met, he was one of the nicest guys I've ever known.

R.I.P.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
09-22-2006, 11:10 AM
Good thread HB:)

Ya know, on a related note, I had an uncle that passed away 2 years ago. The last time I saw him he was in a Vets Hospital. Wow, was that a sobering experience for me to go through. That put a REAL perspective on life for me. Made me feel very humble walking through those halls looking at all those old gentlemen who gave so much for our country and for us. Most WWII vets, some Vietnam Vets too. My dad really got to see it when they brought a bus load of Veterans in for medical appointments one day while he was visiting my uncle. there were so many with amputations or permanent disabilities of some type from injuries incurred from war. He said how much it impacted him to see it. It makes you stop and think when you see an old gentlemen lying in a hospital bed missing a leg, alone in the room, no TV, no radio, lying there wearing his Veteran hat with the pins on it. Makes you stop and think about things. :( Unfortunatly I dont deal with situations like that very well, but it makes you want to walk up to one of those veterans, shake their hand and say "Thank you" and just give them some company for a while.

Hoosier Bob
09-22-2006, 11:14 AM
I could talk with and or about these guys all day! I do not know any kid that did not regard the Flying Tigers as the coolest planes in the sky.
P-40 Warhawk? I cannot remember but I do remember the two of them shooting down countless planes in Tora Tora Tora. Great stories from great heros.Amazing how many Heros we may be coming in contact with every day yet do not realize the greatness in our presence. They could be anyone I meet and deserve my respect.
Very nice point UMP.

River Rat
09-22-2006, 11:17 AM
One of these is my brother Cory, picture taken last week in Iraqi. He is down to less than 90 days and he will be coming home from his second tour. We pray for his safe return every day and very soon we will see those prayers answered. I have never served but come from a family who has, Father, 2 brothers, wife, and son. My sincere thanks go out to all the soldiers who have fought for my freedom. And I also thank the families that have lost a loved one's in the fight for our country.
For this I am truly grateful

Monte
09-22-2006, 11:19 AM
I've got to say they don't makem like the WWII/ Korea guys any more. My Grand father was awarded a PH when a piece of mortar shell went through both helmets. Knocked him out for two weeks. Can't hear out of one ear nor taste or smell as a result.. Never asked anybody for a thing.. He is 90, still cuts the grass at all of his rental houses.. If you try to help him he gets mad... Different breed there..

Amen... River Rat

Hoosier Bob
10-09-2006, 09:36 PM
One of my buddies I work with is a Vietnam Vet. May be the coolest person I hang around. He has great stories. Not only of battle but vivid memories of the countryside. Cool stories regarding Tigers! He once entered a seldom used what seemed abandoned Temple. He has a picture of himself holding two huge owels he pulled from inside the temple. He put them back of course. He also has stories that leave you asking W T F? W is for WHY! He returned an actual War Hero to his mome town of Seattle WA. As a war hero he recieved many benefits that local government did not. He became a supporter of many rewards due to him. Retired to an island in the gulf at the age of thirty. Anyway he is as cool as they get and anyone who has fought anywhere has more character and deserves more praise than I.
Go Vets!:D

Hoosier Bob
10-09-2006, 11:01 PM
I have heard so many great replies on here. This is the place to tell us about your Great grand dad or uncle. I could hear these stories a thousand times. Just wondering who has stories that would enable us to appreciate these people even more.
HB

6ballsisall
10-09-2006, 11:04 PM
I don't have any family that I know of that have served in a war or conflict. I have one cousin that served on a Sub but he doesn't or can't talk about his experiences. So.........I'll just have to stick with keeping my sig up to thank those who do what they do to protect the rest of us and the way we live.

Hoosier Bob
10-09-2006, 11:04 PM
I know you get it Jeff!

Workin' 4 Toys
10-09-2006, 11:59 PM
Is it ok to say I have been on a Sub not so long ago, and I was escorted OFF for being in an area I wasn't suppose to be in.....:o

Workin' 4 Toys
10-10-2006, 12:05 AM
I always make it a point when I see someone parking their vehicle with the Purple Heart tag, to walk up to them and shake their hand and tell them Thank You for serving our country.


I have a relative with these for a reason, (disclosure statement: not the same number)
I probably don't make mention of it often enough...

Leroy
10-10-2006, 12:24 AM
Great thread Bob! I think you have to be their spokesman from now on!

I loved the story on Bob Palmer, I'll see if my wife knows him, I"m sure she does.

PendO
10-10-2006, 01:45 AM
My daughter's Godparents are were more like my 2nd set of parents growing up ... I never knew that my daughter's Godmothers Father was a veteran until a few years ago .. I will share a few excerpts from a book that one of his daughters put together for him in 2000 - I borrowed a copy to read, it is amazing the stories many veterans have:

"I want this book to acknowledge the sacrifices of the men who were truly "my brothers" who died fighting for their country. My fellow crew members, Second Lieutenant Sid Becker and Staff Sergant Leonard Erickson, who died on their first raid, and First Lieutenant William John "Dusty" Desmond, Second Lieutenant James T. Hardy, Second Lieutenant Robert M. "Bob" Rundell, Second Lieutenant Robert B. "Bob" Osward, Tech Sergant Leigh A. Walton, Tech Sergant Billie T. Clarkston, who did not have the chance to bail out of our plane before it went down. It was because of their sacrifices and those of many others, that I was able to reap the rewards this country has given me and my family for over 50 Years" Tech Sergeant Delbert H. Cress A.C.

"Boise was where teh 445th Bomb Group, which flew out of England, was originally formed. The 445th Bomb Group joined the Eight Air Force 1 April 1943. The 445th Bomb Group had four squadrons with 18 crews in each squadron."

Mr. Cress was shot down on 24 February 1944

"Christmas 1944 was good. Red Cross parcels arrived and a group put on a show complete with costumes and a band playing the YMCA instruments."

"On 6 February 1945, they started moving us by foot deeper into Germany because of the Russian Army Advancement."

"On 25 April leaflets of instruction were dropped by Division artillery liason planes, directing the enemy soldiers to present themselves at teh Mulde River in groups of 500, columns of three, weapons unloaded, spokesman preceeding, at half-hour intervals. I picked up one of the leaflets and had a GI that could read German read it to me."

"The next morning the German officer in charged crossed the American line and returned with a few soldiers from the 104th Infantry Division of the Wolverine Division. Little by little 15 to 20 Wolverines filled in around us as we marched"



Okay, gotta to to bed, I will add more to complet his POW story if ya'll want to hear it ... he still lives here in Spokane.

Hoosier Bob
10-10-2006, 10:25 PM
Very nice to hear Casey. It is amazing how many are right here with us but not being recognized as such. No spokesman here Leroy. I go to these meeting once a year and return amazed and thankful that these people exist. I know there are some great stories like Casey's and the others here. It is not often that these stories are told by the people that lived them. Many are no longer around. It is nice to hear others speaking of friends and relatives and their service. They protect and have protected our freedoms since this country was born.
Take Care!

Tryin-again
10-10-2006, 11:00 PM
THe farmer who worked with my grand father- and was a great family friend - ran a flame-thrower in the Pacific in WW2.... He is still alive -but never gripes or complains, etc.... although he has to go to the VA every few months for therapy for what they called "Battle Fatigue" Back then . Vietnam - They called it Post Tramatic Stress Syndrome - I ain't a doctor.. but it's pretty much the same thing.....

I guess some of us are lucky not to have to fry people...

jbfootin
10-11-2006, 09:42 AM
Great thread...Makes me proud to be an American, and we have so many soldiers, Past generations and current, to thank!

milkmania
10-18-2006, 06:39 PM
this thread is very important to me....
that's why I'm adding this here.

HERO - Petty Officer 2nd Class Michael A. Monsoor


*snip*
CORONADO, CALIF. — A Navy SEAL sacrificed his life to save his comrades by throwing himself on top of a grenade Iraqi insurgents tossed into their sniper hideout, fellow members of the elite force said.

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/10/13/399226-seal-falls-on-grenade-to-save-comrades

Tryin-again
10-18-2006, 07:35 PM
this thread is very important to me....
that's why I'm adding this here.

HERO - Petty Officer 2nd Class Michael A. Monsoor


*snip*
CORONADO, CALIF. — A Navy SEAL sacrificed his life to save his comrades by throwing himself on top of a grenade Iraqi insurgents tossed into their sniper hideout, fellow members of the elite force said.

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/10/13/399226-seal-falls-on-grenade-to-save-comrades

Thanks Milk...... Prayers to his family and friends.

Hoosier Bob
10-18-2006, 08:29 PM
Very amazing how unselfish these people are. Glad to have so many on board. Not to get off track but Pat Tillman comes to mind as well. Heros are still among us and are being born every day.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4815441/

TMCNo1
10-19-2006, 04:43 PM
Gene is holding a Rotisserie Club meeting down at the Holiday Inn Depress off Route 9, next to the Goofyfoot Expressway Thursday morning before the parade, per the Aqua News Network!

Hoosier Bob
09-19-2007, 10:14 PM
Well it had been another year and a few more were unable to attend. How long until they are all in our past. What a great day spent with an incedible generation of Heros! I found myself wondering what impact these awesome human beings would have on the generations of today? Not one of them wore their pants below their belt line? Not one "Gig" line out of order? What would todays generation make of these great people? My guess is they would nor could understand the sacrifice, efforts and strife put forward for the mostly ungrateful reapers or their fruit! I hope this is not the case. I will say that the generations from the "great" wars are leaving us. They left us in mass then and are leaving us as individuals now. They are as wonderful today as they were then. I had the best time this year yet! Today was an awesome day spent with people that I will never equal! Just having the attention of one of these people for a minute makes my year, year after year. I really do not know how September will be without them. For now I thank my dad for allowing me the privilege of spending time with him and this great group of Veterans. Thanks TT'rs for the time once again!

HB

Upper Michigan Prostar190
09-19-2007, 10:48 PM
Good thread HB, glad you had a good day there.

JimN
09-20-2007, 12:20 AM
Hoosier- "and I have come to realize that they did it because they feel they owe us"

The country came together as it could never do now. Too many people don't want to be inconvenienced, let alone sacrifice anything. People are very selfish now and with the exception of certain ones like the military, law enforcement and fire fighters, are probably the most selfless people I can think of. If we had to send the numbers that were deployed during WWII, I think we would fall far short. Also, the women who stayed behind really pulled their weight by handling the jobs previously done by men, in factories, ordnance plants and on top of it, taking care of the kids.

Can you imagine what people would say if the government rationed food, gasoline, rubber, steel, brass and everything else needed to manufacture all that's needed for a war?

It's great to hear them tell the good stories, but really hard when they talk about losing their friends. If they actually talk about some of the battles, it gets damn scary. Seeing the guys who lived through all of that, crying because they say it should have been them who died instead of the others, is hard to take lightly.

JimN
09-20-2007, 12:22 AM
Pendo- any idea which airfield he was stationed at, in England? My dad was 8th Air Force, 94th Bomb Group and was stationed at Rougham Field, Bury St. Edmund.

Hoosier Bob
09-20-2007, 09:47 PM
100% agree Jim. They are a different breed. They just did and do what is right. The points you made below are unimaginable!Hoosier- "and I have come to realize that they did it because they feel they owe us"

The country came together as it could never do now. Too many people don't want to be inconvenienced, let alone sacrifice anything. People are very selfish now and with the exception of certain ones like the military, law enforcement and fire fighters, are probably the most selfless people I can think of. If we had to send the numbers that were deployed during WWII, I think we would fall far short. Also, the women who stayed behind really pulled their weight by handling the jobs previously done by men, in factories, ordnance plants and on top of it, taking care of the kids.

Can you imagine what people would say if the government rationed food, gasoline, rubber, steel, brass and everything else needed to manufacture all that's needed for a war?

It's great to hear them tell the good stories, but really hard when they talk about losing their friends. If they actually talk about some of the battles, it gets damn scary. Seeing the guys who lived through all of that, crying because they say it should have been them who died instead of the others, is hard to take lightly.

Hoosier Bob
09-24-2008, 09:35 PM
I have just now returned from my annual Service Club Golf Outing! What a great day! Weather, Golf and great people all around. Fewer WWII veterans this year as expected but the Korea Vets were on time and in rare form. Not much more can be said in this thread that hasn't been said already. I will say the "Greatest Generation" is exactly that. These people always bring their game. They come from a time of honor and valor that still exists but I find myself having to look for the existance. Bob Palmer was as stated before a B-24 Liberator pilot. He could not make it as he as taking care of his very sick wife. Neal Cobb a POW and B-24 Navigator could not make it this year as he is battling cancer. Every year we lose a few more and every year the Service Club gets smaller. I wish they would make the club public so others could share what I have experienced over the years. These are the guys that we walk by every day without knowing the sacrifices they have made! They gave up family, homeland and their professions for us! For the Flag, for the right to fight. Everyone enlisted on the day they became elligible! They come from a time of hand to hand and mass quantity. They were not superior in their armor they were superior in their ability. You may know me and you may not but for those who do you know my mouth is open more than closed. When I am around my heros I find my only abilty is to listen in awe of what these select group of people did and continue to do for myself and my country.

Take care brothers and sisters and ski well!:)

TMCNo1
09-24-2008, 09:41 PM
HB, that's awesome, and thanks for sharing!

Hoosier Bob
09-24-2008, 09:50 PM
Nice to hear from you H! Hope all is well my friend!:)HB, that's awesome, and thanks for sharing!

KnoxX2
09-24-2008, 10:09 PM
I have just now returned from my annual Service Club Golf Outing! What a great day! Weather, Golf and great people all around. Fewer WWII veterans this year as expected but the Korea Vets were on time and in rare form. Not much more can be said in this thread that hasn't been said already. I will say the "Greatest Generation" is exactly that. These people always bring their game. They come from a time of honor and valor that still exists but I find myself having to look for the existance. Bob Palmer was as stated before a B-24 Liberator pilot. He could not make it as he as taking care of his very sick wife. Neal Cobb a POW and B-24 Navigator could not make it this year as he is battling cancer. Every year we lose a few more and every year the Service Club gets smaller. I wish they would make the club public so others could share what I have experienced over the years. These are the guys that we walk by every day without knowing the sacrifices they have made! They gave up family, homeland and their professions for us! For the Flag, for the right to fight. Everyone enlisted on the day they became elligible! They come from a time of hand to hand and mass quantity. They were not superior in their armor they were superior in their ability. You may know me and you may not but for those who do you know my mouth is open more than closed. When I am around my heros I find my only abilty is to listen in awe of what these select group of people did and continue to do for myself and my country.

Take care brothers and sisters and ski well!:)

HB --- That was very well said. It is true that we now have to look very hard to see that kind of honor and valor. My hats off to you for telling their story.

dapicatti
09-24-2008, 11:30 PM
HB- Great story. Nice to hear from you again!

Hoosier Bob
09-23-2009, 09:53 PM
Another year and a few more members short. We had three this year representing WWII. Most of these guys are Airforce but a few from other branches as well. I will say I look forward to this day every year. I also consider this to be among the best events I attend every year and this includes my lifetime as well. I spend a whole day with the greatest generation to exist on this planet. If you could speak with three people from history who would they be? Veterans! Veterans and more veterans! The ultimate sacrifice and they lined up to give more than they had. As I have said before we get together and play golf. We have dinner and for once Hoosier listens. Phil Minton one of the senior members re-tells a story from earlier in this thread! This time it was different. I had said Neal Cobb was set free and marched for miles but the truth is a few of the prisoners escaped! They thought of tunnels, climbing the fence as well, what ever it would take! Instead they walked up to the Czek guards and paid them $20 US! Fled and kept running! One single OSS agent rounded up the prisoners and led them to freedom. This agent was killed while they were boarding the plane. All of the prisoners escaped but the man sent there to free them parished. This group drives me to tears every time I am among them. This is a club that will no longer exist as the dues for membership can no longer be paid by mere mortals. Find them! They are right here. What an incredible day. All of our soldiers and armed forces are incredible and I do not want to sell anyone short but this is and always will be the "Elite!" When numbers won and technology was second they lined up. No regrets, simply a duty, an honor and a privledge to serve our great nation. The Ultimate Generation! Thanks for reading this thread over the years. Many posts from this thread have been read to these great Soldiers and this will continue as long as they are here. They still fight for us and they will continue to fight for us. It is what they do!:D

cmw
09-24-2009, 10:08 AM
I could not agree more with you. My Dad served in WWII. You would not know it by talking to him. My 10 year old son sits down with him and I ease drop on the stories. We get him on the internet and have been able to find all sorts of info and you can see him remember. He retired 25 years ago to an Airstream park in Florida. I was in college down the road and would visit often. I have met and known many WWII veterans because of this. One gentlemen liked to play golf and would let me tag along with him and a couple of others. I really enjoyed their company. The thing I found interesting was I felt I knew these guys. After one of them died, I found out he was an Air force ace and had a book written about him. Another went on to NASA and worked on the Apollo missions. I could go on and on. I try to visit my Dad as often as I can and I noticed that a lot of the guys have passed on. But what I find so interesting is how much volunteer work these guys did at the park or the local church or even for the town. As the younger generations move in, they seem more interested in just being retired and don't feel the need to give back. The place has changed, the feel of it and the look of it. I miss these men and women and I talk to those still around as much as possible. I think the world is going to miss this generation when they have all moved on. If you get a chance, say hello and strike up a conversation with almost anyone of this generation and you won't regret it.

mcdoon
09-24-2009, 12:08 PM
HB you are spot on. These people are and were the greatest. My dad was a B17 pilot stationed in England. Flew 35 missions over Germany and saw many of his buds never return from a mission. He's still healthy at 86 and has a great sense of humor and as humble as they come about his time in the Air Force. You'll never hear him start a conversation on it, but he'll tell you about it if you're interested.

You want to talk about bringing tears to your eyes.....

A friend of mine works in the hangar for a huge local direct marketing company. This company has the size hangar to host military aircraft shows. My friend invited my dad to one of these shows where a restored B17 would be open for tours. I can't put into words how it felt to see those military and company people rolling out the red carpet for an old B17 pilot. My dad was the star of the show for a few hours there, and he was beaming and pretty choked up about it all.

God bless 'em all.

Hoosier Bob
09-24-2009, 09:05 PM
McDoon and CMW,

My dad enjoys the responses as much as anything I could write here. The Service Club is the last of it's kind I believe. I will get membership info. There may be many more of this generation that would like to partake or begin their own. We have lost many members but the nice thing is that current members will continue to bring the children of their fallen friends. The stories now live through their children. Guests were strong this year. Take care guys and we are very lucky!:D

mcdoon
09-25-2009, 09:00 AM
HB--My friend's company is a big supporter of the military. They have at least a couple shows every year and are very generous about inviting anyone who's interested. I'll pass along the details of the next few shows when I get them. If you could make the trip you'd no doubt be impressed.

Hoosier Bob
09-25-2009, 08:21 PM
Anything about these men and I am sure women like those who kept the country afloat impresses me! Thank you! Look forward to it!:DHB--My friend's company is a big supporter of the military. They have at least a couple shows every year and are very generous about inviting anyone who's interested. I'll pass along the details of the next few shows when I get them. If you could make the trip you'd no doubt be impressed.

Hoosier Bob
09-08-2010, 11:17 PM
I have just returned from my favorite day of the year. Golf with the old man and spending time with some incredible human beings. The last of the greatest generation ever. I am still in awe as I have been for years over these greatful and unselfish men who are our fathers and grandfathers. This year we were down 5 more over last year. Neil Cobb who I have mentioned before passed on. Bob Palmer who flew more bomber missions (175 B-24 Liberator) than anyone alive is now gone and a few more were sick or just tired. These men as I have said are WWII and Korean War vets. This is the best day of my life every year. Sure having kids, getting married etc... This is being able to spend time with the greatest people that exist today. Great day, I played very well and God bless all those who have served and continue to serve today!:D

flipper
09-09-2010, 09:32 AM
Cool stuff HB. People joke about "grandpa's war stories" but I love hearing them. We need to thank vets as often as possible, and those that have served our country even if they didn't see war time. Even if they didn't have to go over seas and fight, bottom line is they were signed up and willing to.

I think it's great that you are willing to go hang out with them for a day, listen to them and talk with them. I think it's great that you are willing to swallow your pride and get your ars handed to you on the golf course by a 85 year old man wearing funny socks too :D

Hoosier Bob
09-09-2010, 09:45 AM
Hey I was third low gross and won $40! Long drive too but went through the fairway! BS for sure. Great day period. 82 yo shot an 82 and another 77 yo shot an 84! Not too shabby!

turn1andburn1
09-09-2010, 10:15 AM
We just lost my grandfather two weeks ago, he also loved the game of golf. He lied about his age to go over there and do what he could to help. How many people do you know that would lie to be put into that position? He was never one to tell stories of his time spent over there until and few years ago when his health started to go south. He will be greatly missed.

flipper
09-09-2010, 10:28 AM
Sorry for your loss

Hoosier Bob
09-09-2010, 10:37 AM
No kidding. Everyday these people are leaving us. I would like to think they are better off. Must be difficult living today with the expectations and unselfishness these people possess. My guess is the world today is a frustrating place for them. My guess is being that they are who they are I would be wrong. This generation keeps moving on no matter what they face. For me it would be frustratiing and is frustrating. Their patience and compassion is much greater than mine. How could a people who have endured so much be all of these things?:confused:

bbymgr
11-05-2010, 10:00 PM
My Uncle, Raymond Bymaster of Vinita Oklahoma, died Tuesday morning at the age of 88. He was attempting to do his patriotic duty and go vote. While getting into the car, he slumped onto the dash and died. Like many others, he wasn't one to talk about the war much until after I had served and he was older. I do know that he was part of the 82nd Airborne and that he was involved in everything from Normandy to the Battle of the Bulge. He will be missed.

Maristar210
11-05-2010, 10:15 PM
My Uncle, Raymond Bymaster of Vinita Oklahoma, died Tuesday morning at the age of 88. He was attempting to do his patriotic duty and go vote. While getting into the car, he slumped onto the dash and died. Like many others, he wasn't one to talk about the war much until after I had served and he was older. I do know that he was part of the 82nd Airborne and that he was involved in everything from Normandy to the Battle of the Bulge. He will be missed.

My condolences. A true patriot died being just that. Rest in peace Mr. Bymaster. Thank you for sharing and thanks to him for his service to the country we love.

TX.X-30 fan
11-06-2010, 10:10 AM
My condolences. A true patriot died being just that. Rest in peace Mr. Bymaster. Thank you for sharing and thanks to him for his service to the country we love.



X2 well said.

Hoosier Bob
11-06-2010, 06:41 PM
These guys are leaving us daily. Great to have known them. Sorry for your loss and think of what yourself and we have gained because of him. We just lost my grandfather two weeks ago, he also loved the game of golf. He lied about his age to go over there and do what he could to help. How many people do you know that would lie to be put into that position? He was be never one to tell stories of his time spent over there until and few years ago when his health started to go south. He will be greatly missed.

Hoosier Bob
11-06-2010, 06:48 PM
Not many from those two battles were able to celebrate an 88th birthday let alone a 21st. Sounds like an incredible man. My Uncle, Raymond Bymaster of Vinita Oklahoma, died Tuesday morning at the age of 88. He was attempting to do his patriotic duty and go vote. While getting into the car, he slumped onto the dash and died. Like many others, he wasn't one to talk about the war much until after I had served and he was older. I do know that he was part of the 82nd Airborne and that he was involved in everything from Normandy to the Battle of the Bulge. He will be missed.

Hoosier Bob
11-11-2010, 09:18 PM
Thank you Veterans! Great specials on TV this evening. Great day and I was lucky enough to play Golf with 3 Korean War Veterans today! What an incredible day. I cannot remember a Veteran's that the weather was so nice. GREAT DAY!:D

h2oskifreak
11-12-2010, 08:47 AM
My boss is 86ish and still shows up every morning at work before anybody else. He was flying bombing missions over Germany at 17 y/o. (I'm sure he lied to gain entry). One tough son of a gun. I am 44 and I don't think I would want to arm wrestle him. On his days "off" he is doing the landscaping work on the office building. They truely were "The Best Generation". Ben Carnes, you are a MAN.

Hoosier Bob
09-07-2011, 10:03 AM
Service Club Golf Outing Today!!!!!! Great day but sometimes a sad day. Fewer make it each year but those that remain sure do make my year.:D

-V-
09-07-2011, 10:44 AM
HB, When your out there, thank the Vets for me, Iraqi Vet to the Mature Vets.

SSG(P) Vasquez
Active Duty

scott023
09-07-2011, 11:17 AM
HAve a great day out there Bob. Give our respect to them from your neighbors to the north.

sizzler
09-07-2011, 11:25 AM
great stuff Bob.......have fun

Hoosier Bob
09-07-2011, 09:53 PM
All done, although I could have wrapped a twenty around my thank you and they still would have left it on the table. They appreciate it but do not expect it for sure. All Vets, thank you and life would nor will ever be what it is without you. Great time again and again a few less. The stories........ This is the best day of the year for myself. Did I mention my old man is the president? He was elected president by the largest margin since WWI. Pretty cool for sure. He didn't play very well today though, nor did I.

Hoosier Bob
09-18-2013, 09:18 PM
Another year. Fewer this year. WWII Vets are few anymore. I am not going to rehash this. I love these guys and all they represent. Another great day with some great Vets from the great wars. I finished second gross with an 80. Greens were slick and sick!!!:D

CruisinGA
09-18-2013, 11:00 PM
Awesome thread.

My grandfather did pre-flight on the Enola Gay and also did not talk much about his service until late in life.

Greatest generation is a gross understatement.

mustangtexas
09-18-2013, 11:39 PM
My dad turns 86 this Friday and is in great shape. He too lied about his age to join the Navy. He was at Bikini/Marshall Islands as head of task force one for Able and Baker bomb tests. He has cool stories and great photos.

1redTA
09-19-2013, 06:43 AM
great thread! it is heart warming to see so many stories of military service and the selflessness most of these heroes exhibited. I would like to mention my wife's grandmother who served as a Marine in WWII, now at 93 is still a inspiration.

quincyfirefighter
09-19-2013, 09:17 AM
Another year. Fewer this year. WWII Vets are few anymore. I am not going to rehash this. I love these guys and all they represent. Another great day with some great Vets from the great wars. I finished second gross with an 80. Greens were slick and sick!!!:D

cool....

Hoosier Bob
09-20-2013, 06:09 PM
Don? Hoosier Don? Ha! Not on DS anymore, my credentials expired.:DGood to hear from you Don and good to see you still chasing the little white ball around. Best game for me this year was 92. Just can't seem to get under that 90 spot. Hope to hear more from ya here or pop in over at DS. Your always welcome there you know ;)

Hoosier Bob
09-17-2014, 09:32 PM
Quick note. It has been another year. The skiing this year was amazing. Another Service Club outing has passed. Great people and a very nice time. I only get to play once a year any more but it is something I always look forward to. No WWII Vets this year. Most are gone or cannot play any more. I am much better off having known them. I have many great memories of these great hero's. My father cannot play any more. I play golf with my dad. I really never had much interest unless we were together, having a beer and enjoying the game he loved. It was a great day as it always is.