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02ProstarSammyD
04-08-2013, 02:58 PM
So right now I'm driving a 05' denali with 115k. Yukon has been solid to me for 3+ years but have the "newer" bug. Looking at 10'-12's and maybe even a 13 depending on price. Also gas mileage is brutal on the 6.0. I put about 20-30k on my cars yearly and 13mpg overall is a killer especially most of that being highway.

Other note: I only tow the boat 5 miles to the launch and 5 miles with an occasional 100 mile roundtrip 1 or 2x a year so overkill is not needed.

REALLY like the Ram 1500 and being I've had such good luck with my GMC have to throw the silverado in there. Any opinions on both. I've considered an f150 too but the looks leave alil to be desired for me.

Any opinions would be helpful

Ironhorse
04-08-2013, 03:05 PM
Toyota Tundra. I love mine.

jgraham37128
04-08-2013, 03:07 PM
I have a 2009 Denali and have had great luck too. I heard the 2014 Denali would be a new body style.

I had a 2009 Chevy 4 door Z71 with the 5.7 liter motor in it and man it pulled the boat like a dream. It was a whole lot better than the Denali. Twice I was on the interstate running 70-80 mph and would forget the boat was behind me. I always know the boat is behind me in the Denali.

Either way the gas mileage stink and so does the rear seats that don't lay down flat. I hope they fix the seats for 2014!

pap
04-08-2013, 03:08 PM
I have a Ford 'cause I won't support Gov't/Obama Motor Company. Tows great, but not much better mileage than what you get despite ecoboost engine. It does drive great and tows like a monster and is a great daily driver. Looks are subjective, I hate all the chrome on the Ram, but as I said it was out anyway.

If anything in bailout motors, I'd look at the new diesel jeep. Older diesel touregs also something to definitely consider.

Aric'sX15
04-08-2013, 03:16 PM
Dont go dodge or toyota. i get about 16 MPG in my 2011 f150 with the 5.0 V8. Tows like a dream and is far more luxurious than my chevy or dodge. toyota is fugly and the dodge wont hold its value at all! just my opinion.

PT 1999 ProStar
04-08-2013, 03:27 PM
I have a '09 LTZ Tahoe and it pulls like no other truck/SUV we've had. I only pull the boat in the early spring to the lake and home late fall but it's alot of hills in NW CT and this truck doesn't miss a beat. It is so comfortable and reliable plus it looks sharp. We love it. Good luck with your search. PT

02ProstarSammyD
04-08-2013, 03:37 PM
Toyota Tundra. I love mine.
To be honest I like them but people are smoking crack on them around here. No way I'm paying 10k more for the same year b/c its a toyo

Dont go dodge or toyota. i get about 16 MPG in my 2011 f150 with the 5.0 V8. Tows like a dream and is far more luxurious than my chevy or dodge. toyota is fugly and the dodge wont hold its value at all! just my opinion.

Agree on the value alil bit but they are also much cheaper to begin with. I might take another look at the ford it just seems too boxy to me

pap
04-08-2013, 03:53 PM
Warning: don't drive the Ford ecoboost unless you're ready to buy one. the torque is insane at low rpm.

willyt
04-08-2013, 03:56 PM
i would wait to see what the 2014 5.3 and 6.2 GMC motors claim.

pap
04-08-2013, 06:55 PM
Unless they are diesel or twin turbo, it doesn't matter the HP, it's all about the low end torque. Even a large V8 just doesn't have the low end torque of a diesel or twin turbo, I was a skeptic till I drove one, but it's addictive to drive up a steep hill at 1400 rpm w/o any problem at all.

2RLAKE
04-08-2013, 07:26 PM
i just got a new infinity QX56 to replace my 3rd Yukon .... absolutely love it ... i got 19 MPG over spring break (1000+ miles and i don't drive slow) ... i never thought i would buy one over another Yukon but one test drive was it for me ... the fit and finish is hands down better than the Yukon ... hurt not buying a GM, especially with credit from my GM credit card

CruisinGA
04-08-2013, 07:34 PM
i just got a new infinity QX56 to replace my 3rd Yukon .... absolutely love it ... i got 19 MPG over spring break (1000+ miles and i don't drive slow) ... i never thought i would buy one over another Yukon but one test drive was it for me ... the fit and finish is hands down better than the Yukon ... hurt not buying a GM, especially with credit from my GM credit card

Just curious, did you compare to Land Cruiser? I don't have much experience with the new ones, wondering how they stack up.

2RLAKE
04-08-2013, 07:50 PM
Just curious, did you compare to Land Cruiser? I don't have much experience with the new ones, wondering how they stack up.

i did not ... i literally stopped into the Infinity dealer because the GMC dealer was a jerk and was sold on their quality ... then i took it for a test drive and was hooked

Big tic
04-08-2013, 09:51 PM
old ball to consider.

Nissan Titan. Got 60k on my 2011. Works great. Came from a 6.2L Silverado (2010). Like the huge cabin of the Nissan.

mikeg205
04-09-2013, 10:11 AM
How about a cheapy used F150 for towing and a new 2013 car to reduce your gas spend... just a thought...

BARE5
04-09-2013, 10:33 AM
That's what I got is an F150 for short tows under 50 miles,then a Escalade for longer trips and a sm hatchback for city driving.

pmkkdx
04-09-2013, 12:24 PM
might also wait a bit as I hear that Dodge will be offering a V6 3.0L diesel in their 1500 half tons this fall.

pap
04-09-2013, 01:19 PM
By the time you pay for depreciation, insurance, and maintenance on multiple vehicles it rarely pays off unless you drive a -lot- of miles on a daily basis. And no way I want to be towing my boat with an old junker pickup - a breakdown or inability to tow with it means lost lake time and the money spent on boat, etc is not worth skimping on the tow end of things.

pap
04-09-2013, 01:21 PM
might also wait a bit as I hear that Dodge will be offering a V6 3.0L diesel in their 1500 half tons this fall.

I think it's the same engine they're putting in the jeep, which I referenced above (http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/26/2014-jeep-grand-cherokee-ecodiesel/)

I hope we see more diesel options for suv and light trucks soon.

homer12
04-09-2013, 01:57 PM
IMHO, I drive a 2006 Tacoma 4D, 4x4 and it pulls the Tristar 190 very easily. I understand full-size trucks are nice, but it's a good economical option.

02ProstarSammyD
04-09-2013, 04:17 PM
How about a cheapy used F150 for towing and a new 2013 car to reduce your gas spend... just a thought...

numerous reasons.
Insurance $
Small driveway with 3 cars and a boat wouldn't work.

IMHO, I drive a 2006 Tacoma 4D, 4x4 and it pulls the Tristar 190 very easily. I understand full-size trucks are nice, but it's a good economical option.

Not sure that would work with a 209

might also wait a bit as I hear that Dodge will be offering a V6 3.0L diesel in their 1500 half tons this fall.

I always buy low mileage used a year or 2 older. I hate to pay for new car smell when I'm going to fart in it 20 minutes later.

tdelong
04-09-2013, 05:22 PM
I have a 2012 Ram 1500 and love it. Some family works for Chrysler so we have always used Rams to tow our stuff and we've never had any issues over the years. Now I work at a boat marina so I tow stuff with it all the time. Handles everything well. Never had an issue at a boat launch either

TRBenj
04-09-2013, 05:56 PM
Not sure that would work with a 209
2005+ V6 4x4 Tacoma has a 6500 lb tow capacity... would tow a 209 no problem.

agua4fun
04-09-2013, 06:56 PM
How about the yukon hybrid? you would get a bit better mpg since you dont tow that far. Maybe not different enough to fix your 'new' bug.

Jerseydave
04-09-2013, 08:58 PM
I have not owned a Ford since my '88 Bronco.....until now.

2013 F-150 Eco-boost. 420 lb. ft. of torque @ 2500 rpm's
No gas V-8 can stack up to that....can't wait to pull around my X-star with it.
That interior is plush....even nicer than my '07 Yukon XL Denali
The back seat has so much room, and the seat folds up against the back of the cab.

The only thing the Denali did better was ride a bit smoother, other than that I love this truck!

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Covi
04-09-2013, 09:17 PM
Nice! Love the interior. Do I see a hint of MC floor mats up front?

I have not owned a Ford since my '88 Bronco.....until now.

2013 F-150 Eco-boost. 420 lb. ft. of torque @ 2500 rpm's
No gas V-8 can stack up to that....can't wait to pull around my X-star with it.
That interior is plush....even nicer than my '07 Yukon XL Denali
The back seat has so much room, and the seat folds up against the back of the cab.

The only thing the Denali did better was ride a bit smoother, other than that I love this truck!

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jhall0711
04-09-2013, 11:07 PM
I have not owned a Ford since my '88 Bronco.....until now.

2013 F-150 Eco-boost. 420 lb. ft. of torque @ 2500 rpm's
No gas V-8 can stack up to that....can't wait to pull around my X-star with it.
That interior is plush....even nicer than my '07 Yukon XL Denali
The back seat has so much room, and the seat folds up against the back of the cab.

The only thing the Denali did better was ride a bit smoother, other than that I love this truck!

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Very Nice truck.... I am just somehow leery of a new to the market motor with two turbos spinning in it. In 5-10 years when I start seeing them with 200+ thousand miles I will consider it. Personally just concerned with the newer technology until it proves itself to be reliable over the long haul. Otherwise, I do love the newer F-150s.

Jerseydave
04-10-2013, 04:00 AM
Very Nice truck.... I am just somehow leery of a new to the market motor with two turbos spinning in it. In 5-10 years when I start seeing them with 200+ thousand miles I will consider it. Personally just concerned with the newer technology until it proves itself to be reliable over the long haul. Otherwise, I do love the newer F-150s.

The twin turbo eco-boost is in it's 3rd year now I believe. My buddy is the top tech at Ford in my area and he has not seen any major problems with these engines as of yet. I went with the extended waranty on mine mostly because of the SINC system and all the other electronics (electric power steering for example)
I think this engine will be available in the Expedition in 2014 too.
In about 2 weeks I'll be towing the star so I'll post some comments then.

CruisinGA
04-10-2013, 08:10 AM
Nothing new about turbos. If they are well lubricated and cooled they will last a long time.

They last over 25,000 hours on the engines that I deal with. :D

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pmikler
04-10-2013, 08:22 AM
Nothing new about turbos. If they are well lubricated and cooled they will last a long time.

They last over 25,000 hours on the engines that I deal with. :D

http://www.mwm.net/uploads/pics/gas-engine-tcg-2032.jpg

Agreed..... not sure why there is so much concerns over turbos. Every darn semi has them for years

Ironhorse
04-10-2013, 08:23 AM
Nothing new about turbos. If they are well lubricated and cooled they will last a long time.

They last over 25,000 hours on the engines that I deal with. :D

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Most Turbos that is! My wifes Volvo is in for a turbo right now and the mechanic said it is common with the XC90 (common!! did they maybe think theres a problem???) I agree the ford looks great, but would also wait to see if they have the Volvo common issue after 5 plus years.

nickespi
04-10-2013, 09:34 AM
Tacoma is an absolute no for the 209. I have an X30 and a Tundra with the 5.7. It does a good job. Had a Sequoia before with a 4.7 and it would pull it, but wasn't a lot of fun. Tacoma would get pushed around.

Covi
04-10-2013, 09:57 AM
As a previous Volvo xc90 owner. I didn't know that they were putting turbos in them? Mine was set up with the V8 power plant for when we test drove the I6 it would not get up of it's own way.

What's the spec of that xc 90 you have?


Most Turbos that is! My wifes Volvo is in for a turbo right now and the mechanic said it is common with the XC90 (common!! did they maybe think theres a problem???) I agree the ford looks great, but would also wait to see if they have the Volvo common issue after 5 plus years.

Covi
04-10-2013, 10:02 AM
I have pulled various ski boats with various vehicles from 4 cylinder turbos to big v8 (both gas and diesel) and although every vehicle I used got the boat from A to B. My recommendations is buy the rig YOU want and like. If you can afford (heck even if you can't I don't care) have fun and drive it cautious with what you are towing. You may make it to the water faster with more or less gas milage. You may get stuck on a ramp or two. But once the boat hits the water and you are out putzing along you wont think about it until it's time to pull it out again. Get what you want.

texasjet
04-10-2013, 10:06 AM
So right now I'm driving a 05' denali with 115k. Yukon has been solid to me for 3+ years but have the "newer" bug. Looking at 10'-12's and maybe even a 13 depending on price. Also gas mileage is brutal on the 6.0. I put about 20-30k on my cars yearly and 13mpg overall is a killer especially most of that being highway.

Other note: I only tow the boat 5 miles to the launch and 5 miles with an occasional 100 mile roundtrip 1 or 2x a year so overkill is not needed.

REALLY like the Ram 1500 and being I've had such good luck with my GMC have to throw the silverado in there. Any opinions on both. I've considered an f150 too but the looks leave alil to be desired for me.

Any opinions would be helpful

We have a 2008 Silverado with the 5.7 engine and it does great. Live in the Dallas area and originally went to pick up our boat east of St. Louis, so quite a drive and hilly in lots of areas and it did well. Gas mileage isn't great, but towing 5k of weight pulling an X30' not sure you can expect much.

We also have a 2008 tahoe and it does very well with the x30 also, in some ways better given more rear weight, but just harder to see out of for backing and such.

We are chevrolet fans.

If you only had the 5 miles might suggest an older 4 wheel drive jeep for convenience and fun. But certainly not for normal towing. We sometimes use our '85 CJ7 to get the boat in and out of storage given the shorter wheel base for backing into and between the boat storage buildings. It is a V6 with a five speed and pulls the boat fine, just would not suggest much highway as the boat is just too big. Nice to have though and quite fun !92805

maxpower220
04-11-2013, 09:09 AM
After owning 2 Chevy Avalanches (02, 09), I test drove everything this time. Nothing really compared to the Ecoboost F-150. I bought a 2013 in Dec. I have 10,000 miles on it now with an average lifetime gas mileage of 19. My last road trip was 20.5. Granted, this is flat Florida with mild temps.

I liked the Avys due to the ride, but this 150 is just as smooth. The EB motor is something else.

02ProstarSammyD
04-11-2013, 10:49 AM
If you only had the 5 miles might suggest an older 4 wheel drive jeep for convenience and fun. But certainly not for normal towing. We sometimes use our '85 CJ7 to get the boat in and out of storage given the shorter wheel base for backing into and between the boat storage buildings. It is a V6 with a five speed and pulls the boat fine, just would not suggest much highway as the boat is just too big. Nice to have though and quite fun !

Would love to go that route. Actually considered an older topless bronco or blazer. Have had a ton of jeeps but just wouldn't trust them without a ton of towing mods. With summer here its just too late to start another project :(

And yes I was like 16 in the first pic
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02ProstarSammyD
04-17-2013, 09:38 PM
hey anyone have an opinion on 2wd for the ramp? found a 12 ram i really liked but its 2wd

pap
04-17-2013, 09:41 PM
Very much depends on ramp (slippery/steep/muddy) and size of boat.

Personally, no way. I don't ever want to end up in a you tube ramp video and so I do everything I can think of to avoid it ;)

pmkkdx
04-18-2013, 08:44 AM
hey anyone have an opinion on 2wd for the ramp? found a 12 ram i really liked but its 2wd

as stated, wet/mossy/slippery ramp/steep could provide issues ... but I towed for years with only 2 wd with little issues getting up/down ramps. I would suggest only if it has a posi rear end it should be fine 99% of the time ... it's that other 1% that might end up on YouTube :rolleyes:

pap
04-18-2013, 09:08 AM
Good point about posi - if you don't have a locking rear, then you really only have 1WD.

GoneBoatN
04-18-2013, 10:54 AM
hey anyone have an opinion on 2wd for the ramp? found a 12 ram i really liked but its 2wd

So three years and counting now. I have a 4wd and not once put it into 4wd to get the boat out of the water. I'd agree that it depends upon the ramp, the boat and your tires.

nickespi
04-18-2013, 10:58 AM
X2 Never needed my four wheel at the ramp.

TRBenj
04-18-2013, 11:14 AM
If you have 4wd, why on earth would you not put it in low range when pulling a boat up the ramp?:huh:

98Prostar205
04-18-2013, 11:15 AM
I've got a 2500HD 4x4 with BFG AT's on it and I had to put it in 4WD once to get out of the ramp after launching the boat. Ramp wasn't muddy or even too steep, just had a little algae on the ramp and it was wet. Without the weight of the boat and trailer the rear wheels just spun. I rarely have to use 4WD, but it is really nice knowing it is there when I need it.

nickespi
04-18-2013, 11:30 AM
If you have 4wd, why on earth would you not put it in low range when pulling a boat up the ramp?:huh:

Because it wasn't needed???.....

GoneBoatN
04-18-2013, 11:35 AM
If you have 4wd, why on earth would you not put it in low range when pulling a boat up the ramp?:huh:

Just never needed it. Other than needing to be a little careful with the gas peddle when starting out on a slick ramp as to avoid spinning the tires, my SUV pulls the boat up the ramp without any difficulty. So why would I put it in 4wd drive low just to hear it rev like nuts going up the ramp. Then at the top of the ramp, I would have to stop and take it out of low to move on.

This is more of my experience in driving in snow, but I would say the same applies to slick boat ramps - the tires being used can make a world of difference.

SKIBUMM
04-18-2013, 12:05 PM
I pull mine with a 2003 yukon and 2007 FJ Cruiser both 4x4 and have only put it into 4 wheel drive a couple of times. they both spin the tires more going up the ramp after unloading than after loading.

TRBenj
04-18-2013, 05:59 PM
Because it wasn't needed???.....
Of course its not needed most of the time, as there are plenty of 2wd vehicles capable of pulling a boat up the ramp... but doing so in 4wd (especially low range) makes the process easier on the tow vehicle (particularly the transmission) as well as the driver. Im lost as to why you wouldnt take advantage of that if you have it.

pap
04-18-2013, 09:04 PM
If your tow rig doesn't have enough torque to easily pull boat up the ramp, then it doesn't have enough torque to be pulling the boat, period. And in 4WD Low in any truck I know of, any steering movement will potentially damage the lockers on dry pavement so every manual I've ever read says not to engage 4WD Low in dry surfaces (only snow/mud/dirt). So if you pull up and then make a turn, well you may have just broken your transmission or at least when you hear the grinding noise you'll remember to shut it off.

CruisinGA
04-18-2013, 09:58 PM
If your tow rig doesn't have enough torque to easily pull boat up the ramp, then it doesn't have enough torque to be pulling the boat, period. And in 4WD Low in any truck I know of, any steering movement will potentially damage the lockers on dry pavement so every manual I've ever read says not to engage 4WD Low in dry surfaces (only snow/mud/dirt). So if you pull up and then make a turn, well you may have just broken your transmission or at least when you hear the grinding noise you'll remember to shut it off.

You are right, but exaggerating a little.
Pulling a boat up a ramp, even with some turning, is not going to damage your transfer case unless there is already a problem.

However, I still modified both my Land Cruisers are modified for AWD or 2wd low range. :D

thatsmrmastercraft
04-18-2013, 10:04 PM
The simple answer is to use low range until you have the trailer out of the water, then switch to 2wd. No damage.......no effort. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure this one out.:rolleyes:

pap
04-18-2013, 11:32 PM
Well for me, that's about 5 feet of pulling, and to get into 4wd low you usually have to put in neutral and wait for it to shift, I just don't see the reason at all, but more power to you if it works for you and you can remember all the steps every time.

But to the question re: 4wd at all, this one is a classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMDKU7NFAu8

thatsmrmastercraft
04-18-2013, 11:43 PM
Well for me, that's about 5 feet of pulling, and to get into 4wd low you usually have to put in neutral and wait for it to shift, I just don't see the reason at all, but more power to you if it works for you and you can remember all the steps every time.

But to the question re: 4wd at all, this one is a classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMDKU7NFAu8

That video is fantastic.http://www.7thgenhonda.com/forum/images/smilies/smiley-rofl.gifhttp://www.7thgenhonda.com/forum/images/smilies/smiley-rofl.gifhttp://www.7thgenhonda.com/forum/images/smilies/smiley-rofl.gif

TRBenj
04-19-2013, 07:30 AM
The simple answer is to use low range until you have the trailer out of the water, then switch to 2wd. No damage.......no effort. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure this one out.:rolleyes:
Bingo. If this is too complicated, then boating may not be for you!:uglyhamme

CC2MC
04-19-2013, 10:30 AM
The simple answer is to use low range until you have the trailer out of the water, then switch to 2wd. No damage.......no effort. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure this one out.:rolleyes:

So is a Rocket Surgeon, a rocket scientist that has gone to med school alongside the Brain Surgeon? Just curious. ;)

jhall0711
04-19-2013, 11:08 AM
So is a Rocket Surgeon, a rocket scientist that has gone to med school alongside the Brain Surgeon? Just curious. ;)

LOL :D The ultimate blend of genius.

02ProstarSammyD
04-22-2013, 11:18 AM
Ok so finally made a decision this weekend after 6 hours of bickering with numerous dealers.

2012 ram 1500 big horn
did go with 2wd
loaded minus nav
7k miles
never owned
hemi 5.7 multi disp

Not my fav color but got a heck of a deal on it so feel good about it. Bye bye denali. Got 18.5mpg on way into work today in heavy traffic vs the 12.5 I was averaging before!

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