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LakePirate
09-22-2005, 02:36 PM
What is the deal with all of the 05 Tournament Team 197s in the marketplace?

I was checking out Brad's ride and started nosing around and found 3 on 2 pages. What gives?

Cary K.
09-22-2005, 02:41 PM
Not sure if these boats are promos or not, but alot of promos are up for sale about this time every year. Most tournaments are over, so time sell the 05 and order the 06.

Or it just could be coincidence.

LakePirate
09-22-2005, 02:52 PM
That was a thought, but wouldn't promo boats have a ton of hours? These guys have less than 100.

And we all know that Erkle can put 100 hours on a boat in a week. :wavey:

ski_king
09-22-2005, 03:20 PM
......And we all know that Erkle can put 100 hours on a boat in a week. :wavey:
He probobly left the key in the on position....... ;)

skisix@38
09-22-2005, 03:22 PM
Most of the promo drivers are trying to stay around 100-200 hrs so that prospective buyers can transfer warrenties and get some good from them.

LakePirate
09-22-2005, 03:39 PM
And there you go...

BuoyChaser
09-22-2005, 03:51 PM
what's the goin' price on promo's, since there are only 100 made???

how many non-promo 197's or 190's does the factory produce per year???

erkoehler
09-22-2005, 04:22 PM
He probobly left the key in the on position....... ;)

Never done that :D

erkoehler
09-22-2005, 04:23 PM
And, I believe that there are still 2 collegiate tournaments left ;)

PendO
09-22-2005, 05:16 PM
Before I ordered the 06, several dealers told me in mid summer that there T/T's would be available end of Sept. beg. of Oct ... honestly, unless it is sitting in your garage # of 100 probably doesn't bring much more to the 2nd buyer ... imagine if they minted 100 coins, to me the only ones I would want are the first and the last ... then again, there is always good old 53;) Nice thing is that the #'d ones should be broken in well with good regular service:)

rodltg2
09-22-2005, 05:43 PM
TT are no different from regular 197 since 02, there is no added value for them . if anyhting they are worth less beacuse they get used every weekend pulling tournamnets 0-36 over and over .

Datdude
09-23-2005, 12:54 PM
I wondered the same thing when I saw a bunch or 2005 TTs for sale, but now it all makes sense

erkoehler
09-23-2005, 02:59 PM
TT are no different from regular 197 since 02, there is no added value for them . if anyhting they are worth less beacuse they get used every weekend pulling tournamnets 0-36 over and over .

Then again, some say running the boat is better than letting it sit. In addition to that atleast you know how it was ran, no power turns on a daily basis, kept in good condition, not abused.

BuoyChaser
09-23-2005, 03:21 PM
sickening the depreciation of boat values...just went to NADA and checked what an '04 197 goes for:

http://www.nadaguides.com/Values/ValueReport.asp?UserID=5bf5c7e7-1669-4c87-8c0f-5b483ade190e&DID=38618&Type=MR&GCode=MR&wPg=1107&wSec=4&Letter=M&Com=1010&Year=2004&Model=1600213628

BASE PRICE
Low Retail $25,240
Average Retail $30,410

OPTIONS
Power Boat: CANVAS
Boat Cover - 15 ft. thru 19 ft.: $170 $205
Power Boat: SKI BOAT
Cruise Control: $1,035 $1,235
Tournament Ski Pylon: $165 $195
TOTAL PRICE $26,610 $32,045

erkoehler
09-23-2005, 03:23 PM
Glad I bought used....thanks guys :D

jmac197
09-23-2005, 03:43 PM
But once you've lost it....you've lost it


Here's the numbers for an '02 197
...........................................Low Retail..................Average Retail
Base Price .............................23,390............... ............$28,180
Boat Cover - 15 ft. thru 19 ft .......145 ...............................$175
Cruise Control ...........................900 ............................$1,070
Tournament Ski Pylon .................140 ...............................$170
TOTAL PRICE.........................24,575 ..........................$29,595

3event
09-23-2005, 03:59 PM
Right on JMac, the worst case is always buy new & sell in 1-2yrs - don't let that be the yardstick. Keep it a few more and the curve flattens out. In any case boats are highly variable - the amount of use/hours varies widely (regionally too - length of season) and so does condition. More so than cars. I see a lot more good stories on this board about MC resale than bad stories - this is the brand to own !

PendO
09-23-2005, 04:01 PM
Most of the options cannot be found in a book like that (especially looking at a TT), but just think of how few ski boats/wakeboard boats there really are. Also, what is the value of the trailer, realistically the trailer doesn't depreciate like the boat ... some would claim that it does, I would disagree ... still it would add a chunk of change to the price/value.




But once you've lost it....you've lost it


Here's the numbers for an '02 197
...........................................Low Retail..................Average Retail
Base Price .............................23,390............... ............$28,180
Boat Cover - 15 ft. thru 19 ft .......145 ...............................$175
Cruise Control ...........................900 ............................$1,070
Tournament Ski Pylon .................140 ...............................$170
TOTAL PRICE.........................24,575 ..........................$29,595

erkoehler
09-23-2005, 04:18 PM
Trailers definetly depreciate:

worn bunks, rust, tires, brakes, and broken lighting can all depreciate the value of your trailer.

PendO
09-23-2005, 04:24 PM
Trailers definetly depreciate:

worn bunks, rust, tires, brakes, and broken lighting can all depreciate the value of your trailer.


Trailers that get used depreciate, but many people trailer a few times a year, in 2 years of use our X-Star trailer has seen 600 miles ... proportionately the boat depreciates faster in such instances ... I guess what I was saying is that comparing for example 197's with the same hull ... the difference in value between an 03 and 06 boat are proportionately larger than that between an 03 and 06 trailer, unless the trailer is used in saltwater it will last longer than the boat itself. IMO

Blue books try and beat you up on a trailers trade in value ... however, if you are buying a boat and trading one in, and if your old trailer fits the new boat ask the dealer to just sell you the boat, and you will keep your trailer;)

erkoehler
09-23-2005, 04:29 PM
I see what you meant, if you put your boat in once and take it out once your trailer will definelty out live the boat. However, if you trailer your boat thousands of miles each year it will definetly depreciate. And, I say that knowing that my trailer definetly is depreciating.

Keeping your trailer and using it for a new boat is a good idea.