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ColoradoSkier
04-02-2013, 09:11 PM
Hello all.
I've been reading the forum for a while, longing and lusting for the boats that you all have. Finally, after much saving and negotiating with my wife, we are ready to buy our first boat, and I want it to be a Mastercraft.

Here is who we are:
-Family of 5 (three young daughters - pray for me)
-It will be kept in Lake Powell, Utah. For those who don't know about Powell, its a big lake. Sometimes the water is glass. Sometimes there are white-caps.

Here's what we're looking for:
- Budget of $30,000
- Has to be a V-Drive per my wife
- I grew up waterskiing, and I want to teach the girls to ski too.
- My wife and I have gotten into surfing in the last few years and love it.
- I don't really want a project boat. I want to spend time playing, not working.
- I am willing to drive for the right boat, but not across the country (nothing on the east coast or the northwest)

Here's what I've found so far:
- I've been in contact about this PS205v (http://www.erboats.com/pre_owned_detail.asp?sid=03621179X4K2K2013J4I15I27 JPMQ7826R0&veh=3121289) and it looks good.
- Otherwise, I haven't seen much of anything...

Which is why I'm here. I'm here to pick your minds and use your resources to see if there's anything else I'm missing.

I appreciate your help in this - I know that you could be doing something else with your time, but if you're like me, this what you do for fun anyways.

Thanks.

ttu
04-02-2013, 09:17 PM
a tad over your budget.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/bod/3658363192.html

there was a nice x30 in okc but it just sold.

ColoradoSkier
04-02-2013, 11:43 PM
I emailed the dealership last week. Couldn't get to my price.
I've seen a few X30s out there though that are there. I haven't skied behind anything larger than an old 20' Maristar, so I'm nervous about the wake. I'd love the space of a 23' boat, but I'd had to get one and be disappointed every time I'm behind it. But I'm speaking out of ignorance.
That's why I need more help.

nickespi
04-02-2013, 11:48 PM
Sounds like you're in the market for an X30. With your budget, I'd say somewhere between an '01 and '04. You won't be disappointed. We love ours. Tons of room. Very versatile. Timeless styling(once the interior is redone lol).

LaRue
04-03-2013, 12:01 AM
You could get into a 2000-2003 X10 or Maristar 210 with tower for under 30k. Better wake than X30 for skiing. Lots of room and storage. Would handle chop better than 205

Thrall
04-03-2013, 11:16 AM
Sounds like you're in the market for an X30. With your budget, I'd say somewhere between an '01 and '04. You won't be disappointed. We love ours. Tons of room. Very versatile. Timeless styling(once the interior is redone lol).

This^.
I've been on Powell in our PS190, 06 X2 and a X45. IMO a PS205v is a little shallow and flat for the big water. Not much more dead rise than the 190 and you had to drive the 190 very carefully once it got rough. And it beat your teeth out!
X10 or X30 is the ticket in your price range. Throw some ballast in the back to keep the nose up when the lake gets rough and it will ride pretty good.

bzettler83
04-03-2013, 11:32 AM
I have an 03 x30 and couldn't be happier. We mainly wakeboard and surf but the previous owner only skied. Thus the reason I have like 12 skis in my garage that never get used.

With that said I don't know how it handles rough water. My only experience with rough water was not
Impressive. Had to keep the speed real low and we did okay.

JohnE
04-03-2013, 11:40 AM
You aren't going to find a used one that does everything as well as you want for $30K IMO unless it's an older X10. X30 will not make you happy on a ski (New model may but definitely not the old) and PS205 likely won't be big enough. Then again I don't know if I am reading into your expectations of ski wake properly.

kodiak
04-03-2013, 12:39 PM
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=24585618&cat=147&lpid=1&search=mastercraft&ad_cid=4
Don't know what the ski wake is like but my neighbor has this hull (2003 X2) and takes it to Powell every year.

ttu
04-03-2013, 12:45 PM
bit of a drive but it fit's your budget

http://onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=36950

Ski-me
04-03-2013, 01:39 PM
Handling chop on Powell and finding a good ski boat are two opposites.

The bigger, and more of a "V" shape to the boat, the better it will be on the rougher water. And these boats are typically larger inside as well. However, their skiing performance is suffered. If you are going to be upset with the ski wake each time you take a larger boat out, you need to decide what is the priority (and I'm guessing the larger boat for family/Powell will win). However, there are some larger boats that ski decent....I'm just not familiar with the differences in the X2/X30/X???

I love skiing behind my 205 but it does not do well on the open water.....but I don't mind, and I work with it. If at all possible, once you start narrowing down the specific model of boat, you do need to ski behind it to be sure you are satisfied.

You are more than welcome to ski behind my boat to get an idea of an excellent ski wake (if you live in the Denver/COS area). But mine is the 205....not the 205V. Still a smaller boat and I don't think the 205 DD is on your "short list".

I also have 3 girls and it's a great move! Even though water is difficult here in Colorado, it's worth the family time and I highly recommend it!

Ski-me
04-03-2013, 01:44 PM
Is the Maristar 210 in this category?!?

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=52610

88 PS190
04-03-2013, 02:46 PM
I regularly use an 88 ps190 on a lake 9 by 2 miles.

Gotta use sense, you do get wet and don't go fast.

ColoradoSkier
04-03-2013, 06:17 PM
A lot to digest, so I'll see if I can encapsulate what I've read:

PS205v - not a great hull for choppy water and maybe a little small
X30 - great size and surfing capabilities, but not a skier
X10 - maybe the best bet in my price range because of the deeper hull (based on the Maristar) is okay on chop and a decent skier.

The post about the Maristar made me laugh because that boat is identical to my in-laws boat (also the reason I've been trying to buy our own boat). I know that's a good boat, but I cannot pull into my driveway with the same boat as my wife's parents (and pay about the same as they did 6 years ago for it).

Am I interpreting all of this correctly so far?

Ski-me
04-03-2013, 06:31 PM
What Maristar is it and what's your opinion on the overall size and ski wake?

ColoradoSkier
04-03-2013, 06:44 PM
What Maristar is it and what's your opinion on the overall size and ski wake?

I believe it's a 1998 Maristar. 20' or 21' - whichever it is. The ski wake is much better than my parents' boat - 1994 Bayliner.

We have put some sacks in it for surfing and are figuring out the setup for that, and thats the only boat I've surfed behind.

I was spoiled as a kid - one of the primary boats I grew up skiing behind was an early-90s PS190 with weight removed for less of a wake.

That's why I was trying to lean towards something like the PS205v. I've read good things about the hull for skiing and, when configured correctly, surfing. I was afraid of the ride in choppy water, but I want to be able to use the boat during the day, not just first thing in the morning and the evening.

88 PS190
04-03-2013, 06:59 PM
Man if its me I'd get the folks boat for the surfing and buy a Prostar 205 Direct drive or a 190 closed bow!

ColoradoSkier
04-03-2013, 07:09 PM
Man if its me I'd get the folks boat for the surfing and buy a Prostar 205 Direct drive or a 190 closed bow!

I don't think there's enough space to describe all of the family dynamics at play, but let me just say that their boat isn't really an option to just take out any more...

...which is why we're buying a boat.

88 PS190
04-03-2013, 07:28 PM
Sounds realistic.

JohnE
04-03-2013, 08:56 PM
A lot to digest, so I'll see if I can encapsulate what I've read:

PS205v - not a great hull for choppy water and maybe a little small
X30 - great size and surfing capabilities, but not a skier
X10 - maybe the best bet in my price range because of the deeper hull (based on the Maristar) is okay on chop and a decent skier.

The post about the Maristar made me laugh because that boat is identical to my in-laws boat (also the reason I've been trying to buy our own boat). I know that's a good boat, but I cannot pull into my driveway with the same boat as my wife's parents (and pay about the same as they did 6 years ago for it).

Am I interpreting all of this correctly so far?

I think you have it right. You would have to increase your budget by over $10K to have more options IMO. Which would get you close to a pickle fork X2. X15 and new style X10 and X30 probably fit all of your wants, but are close to or over double your budget.

You don't need to say any more about the family dynamics...been there and get it.

ColoradoSkier
04-03-2013, 09:35 PM
Okay, here's kind of a left turn, but I'm finding some newer boats that have some cosmetic issues. For example, I found a '06 X2 with relatively low hours (around 200). However, apparently they didn't do a good job keeping the cover on and some, if not all of the upholstery needs to be replaced, but the boat is mechanically sound (yes, I'm skeptical too).

The price sounds good (under $25000), but is something like that worth the investments? Can I reupholster for $5000?

It's fun to dream when it's other people's money, but when it's your own, it makes it a lot harder.

medross
05-30-2013, 11:21 PM
You can definitely re-upholster for less that $5000.00. I am in the same market as you as far as needs and desires. I just signed on an 02 X30 and am stoked about it. I pick it up next week. I will let you know how we like it.

mcLove
07-12-2013, 11:43 AM
You would be best off with a 2002-2003 x30. As your daughters get older they will wanna bring friends and the 205v would get a bit crowded. The x30 will probably have a wake the same as the 205v and the ski wake will be fine once you get up to 35-37 mph. Ill see if i can find any x30's in your price range.

mcLove
07-12-2013, 11:57 AM
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2002-Mastercraft-230-Maristar-VRS-358465

Found this located in Mandeville, Louisiana,
2002 230 maristar for 22,950 but its a saltwater engine in it, still fine for a lake but gotta check for corrosion.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2001-Mastercraft-X-10-102063408

2001 x10 in Oklahoma City, OK. Probably gonna give you good ski and board and surf and plenty of room for girls to bring friends as they get older.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2000-Mastercraft-X-Star-362798

2000 xstar, in Discovery Bay, CA, Low hours but again was in salt water so would have to check for corrosion.

mcLove
07-12-2013, 12:17 PM
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2002-Mastercraft-X30-101842167

2002 x30 In Preston, WA, probably to far from you but good to look at, apholstry needs to be replaced but 5,000 for apholstry and still in budget

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2007-Mastercraft-x1-102038526

2007 x1 32,500 a little over budget but could probs talk down, unfortunately in Massachusetts, a little far away

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2005-Mastercraft-X10-362350

This has to be my favorite so far, 2005 x10 33,000 so could probably be talked down, it has a tower with swinging board racks which is worth a little extra and is super clean, out here in fresno though.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2004-Mastercraft-X-Series-X-Star-102066696

sick 2004 xstar in Alexander City, AL, 36,950 so out of budget but would be a great boat that could handle great chop and give u great board and surf wake but an ok ski wake, so maybe not for you.