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bwop
03-07-2013, 12:40 PM
Hey guys, I own a 2009 x45 and am ready to upgrade to a 2013. I know this is a mc forum and I am a hard core mastercraft fan but saw a g25 and am stuck between mc and cc. The helm all digital, no key, storage space, access to cooler,ballast pumps and motor, batteries not taking up storage space, 3000 pounds stock ballast. Heard the surf wake is unbelievable.
What do you guys think??

FourFourty
03-07-2013, 01:25 PM
First question- Are you prepared to pay 20k more for an equally equipped G?? Cause that is what it will be. An equally equiped G was 4k more than my '13 Xstar... and I ordered with power tower.... Would have been 10k more, if I had gone with a ZFT4.

bobx1
03-07-2013, 02:25 PM
If you want to have fun and get some good laughs, post your question on Wakeworld and sit back and enjoy.

vision
03-07-2013, 02:41 PM
First question- Are you prepared to pay 20k more for an equally equipped G?? Cause that is what it will be. An equally equiped G was 4k more than my '13 Xstar... and I ordered with power tower.... Would have been 10k more, if I had gone with a ZFT4.

Can not comment on G25. But my G23 was about 5 k less than what I was quoted for similarly equiped x star. But I suspect the difference in cost comparison is highly market dependent. Def worth getting quotes in your market. Can not go wrong with either choice.

02ProstarSammyD
03-07-2013, 02:44 PM
Or just do a search and find the endless threads. Search crumble monster, g23 vs, or homer. Bottom line is they are both good boats and at that point in the spectrum they are both going to be killer boats. Comfort was something I thought the G's lacked imho. The boat is laid out fantastic and they have some great detail but the seats were just uncomfortable to me. Felt like the new supras and were far too squared off. I haven't seen the new star surf wake but the G's looks middle of the road. If surfing is your big thing look at the x30 and get away from the star. I hear fantastic things. To me MC has a different feel that most of us hate to love. The seats are comfortable, the layouts are convenient, and the boats look different. Some say the same about nauti's. Go sit and ride in both but asking this question on the internet is like self pleasuring with sandpaper......

FourFourty
03-07-2013, 02:54 PM
Can not comment on G25. But my G23 was about 5 k less than what I was quoted for similarly equiped x star. But I suspect the difference in cost comparison is highly market dependent. Def worth getting quotes in your market. Can not go wrong with either choice.

I think, in my case, it was nautiques charge for the LSA, compared to the 7.4L. IIRC, the LSA was 5k more (even when it was offered in Mastercrafts, it was a 20k option), And you might be right, the rest of the difference might have been markets. However, I called multiple dealers, on both boats, and the pricing was very similar with all of them. I ended up with an even better deal on my XStar because of 2012 issues, but I did my due dilligence on investigating the price. Engine aside, they were close.

That doesn't change the fact that it will be 15-20k more than an X45. And when I quoted a G25, it was 16k more than the G23!

Nick911
03-07-2013, 09:37 PM
I priced G23 and new Star. Star was about 10K more.

Aric'sX15
03-07-2013, 09:44 PM
All g boats are ugly, and like 02Sammy said, the interior is very squared off and uncomfortable. I do like the floors on them though. The reversible seat is also very easy to use. If you plan on surfing i wouldn't buy a G, thats a hard core wakeboard boat. The X30 would also be my recommendation, or the X55 for sure!

vision
03-08-2013, 02:47 AM
I would definitely not buy the G23 for its surf wake. But I have not been behind a G25. Your x45 with the proper ballast will surf better than a G23 IMHO.

AZX45OD
03-08-2013, 10:22 AM
I cannot comment on the G23/25 debate, but I owned a 2012 X45 with every bell and whistle available and sold it after 1 season. I now have a '13 X30 which I love. Much more nimble and upgraded layout/interior. I really enjoyed my X45, but it is now one of MC's oldest models (hull). I hear that there is a new one in the works in the next year or two. Can anyone confirm? So, my advice is to wait for the new X45, or try something else in the meantime. If they do an all new 45 for '14 you'll be regretting the '13 purchase, perhaps.

mikeg205
03-08-2013, 11:00 AM
I cannot comment on the G23/25 debate, but I owned a 2012 X45 with every bell and whistle available and sold it after 1 season. I now have a '13 X30 which I love. Much more nimble and upgraded layout/interior. I really enjoyed my X45, but it is now one of MC's oldest models (hull). I hear that there is a new one in the works in the next year or two. Can anyone confirm? So, my advice is to wait for the new X45, or try something else in the meantime. If they do an all new 45 for '14 you'll be regretting the '13 purchase, perhaps.

You'll just have to upgrade right to a 2014 right? You know how we like to spend other peoples money... ;) http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen163.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

AZX45OD
03-08-2013, 12:06 PM
Exactly. Just add a couple feet to the X30 hull and drop in a pickle fork (not the annoying XStar fork BTW) and people will be lined up (me first) to by the new X45.

AZX45OD
03-08-2013, 12:07 PM
errr....buy....not by

bwop
03-08-2013, 02:24 PM
Ya you guys are right 20k more for a G23 and 15k more for the G25. So the only reason to stay with mastercraft is the price. Maybe the nautique options are worth the 20k?? Also the engine warranty is better with nautique. I have had outgoing engine problems since day one and no one has stepped up and solved my problem yet not mc or indmar. So still seriously looking at nautique.

willyt
03-08-2013, 02:28 PM
Ya you guys are right 20k more for a G23 and 15k more for the G25. So the only reason to stay with mastercraft is the price. Maybe the nautique options are worth the 20k?? Also the engine warranty is better with nautique. I have had outgoing engine problems since day one and no one has stepped up and solved my problem yet not mc or indmar. So still seriously looking at nautique.

MC doesnt use indmar anymore anyway, its ilmor. I'd argue that PCM is still behind as far as engine technology.

you listed all computerized dash... have you seen the new xstar?? to each their own, i'm a fan of old-school gauges.

kskonn
03-08-2013, 03:39 PM
Nautique and Mastercraft use the same "digital Dash" provider now so that will be a wash. The one thing about the 2013 Mastercraft is that the electronic system is designed to work specifically with Ilmor and with each model. The wiring cable and the ECM, and most electronic modules all come from FW Murphy. Basically Mastercraft is now the only provider of boats to have a completely closed loop system designed for each model/engine combination from one supplier. I did not get that from Mastercraft it came from FW Murphy, they are a large customer of mine. I think with all the electronic problems Mastercraft and others have had in the last couple of years this is a really important detail.

RaeRay
03-13-2013, 09:34 AM
the X45 should be going away in 14, my Local dealer said they are replacing it with a X46 is a completly redesign boat. I have owed a 06 x45, 08 x45, and now a 11 x55. We really were considering a G25 this year. We took the G25 out, the boat is amazing and the wake it produces makes our 55 wake look like it came from a bass boat lol. However we like our 55, we are not crazy wakeboarders nor surfers, we like to be comfortable, and the interior quality is superior to the 25. The G25 handels better than the 55, but not significantly.

The 25 was about 10k more than a equally equipped 55. Hope all this helps, you wont be dissapointed with either boat. Differnt strokes for different folks

gotjag941
03-13-2013, 09:47 AM
MC doesnt use indmar anymore anyway, its ilmor. I'd argue that PCM is still behind as far as engine technology.
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Just wondering how do you figure this?

willyt
03-13-2013, 01:15 PM
PCM - no LS3 naturally-aspirated engine
use the LSA to get their 520 (actual) HP - non cat
their ZR450 doesnt produce 450 hp, or anything close to that (according to gov testing) and based on the L96 (6L) (basically an LY6) which is an older engine design

Ilmor - only cat engine over 500 HP, LSX based (newer engine design) (i.e. the 7.4)
LS3 naturally aspirated engine (which is a beast from personal experience)
HP ratings are according to the california air resource board

vision
03-13-2013, 04:28 PM
I will say I prefer my PCM over my previous Indmars as far as general design. But I have not worked on/owned an Ilmor. I particularly enjoy having a semi-closed cooling system. I know it is a simple thing, but not having to worry about my heater freezing, being able to see coolant levels, having a sacrificial anode even for fresh water, knowing there is coolant not fresh water circulating through the block, and having a simple to drain heat exchanger just seems logical. But perhaps newer Indmars and Ilmors are also semi-closed.

KahunaCraft
03-13-2013, 05:12 PM
From what I understand, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but the Ilmor ECM on the 2012's with medallion controls are identical to those on the 2013's.

FourFourty
03-13-2013, 05:56 PM
From what I understand, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but the Ilmor ECM on the 2012's with medallion controls are identical to those on the 2013's.

I believe the ECM is the same, but the rest is not. The 2013 have a fully integrated, standalone, system. Murphy manufactures the entire electronic system as one unit. On '12s and older, the ECM was manufactured by murphy, and the rest was added by medallion. Generally speaking, the new systems should be more reliable because they are not peiced together.....

FLY6584
03-13-2013, 06:08 PM
What is Mastercrafts equivalent of NSS? NSS does look pretty sweet... that might sway me towards the G23.

Jim@BAWS
03-13-2013, 06:12 PM
Here is a 2012 X45 with a 7.4 that is available in CANADIAN colors!
https://vimeo.com/61752100

Jim@BAWS
03-13-2013, 06:16 PM
What is Mastercrafts equivalent of NSS? NSS does look pretty sweet... that might sway me towards the G23.

MC has used SURF tabs since 2009/2010. They started the WAKESURF revolution with them
No need for "SURFGATE SIDEWAYS TABS" on a MasterCraft!

FourFourty
03-13-2013, 06:21 PM
What is Mastercrafts equivalent of NSS? NSS does look pretty sweet... that might sway me towards the G23.

If you are that interested in a great surf boat, the G23 wouldn't be the one to look at. It has a nice surf wake, but it is not exceptional. Although, an XStar is not either....

You want surf, do an X30, or X25. Maybe X10 too, although not yet verified....

Nordicron
03-14-2013, 08:14 AM
MC has used SURF tabs since 2009/2010. They started the WAKESURF revolution with them
No need for "SURFGATE SIDEWAYS TABS" on a MasterCraft!

You must be a dealer and you must be kidding! Love hearing "that's not needed on a MC" and then 1-2 years later they have it on. Kinda like tracking fins and wake plates...

gotjag941
03-14-2013, 08:25 AM
You must be a dealer and you must be kidding! Love hearing "that's not needed on a MC" and then 1-2 years later they have it on. Kinda like tracking fins and wake plates...

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