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Tristarboarder
02-28-2013, 05:00 PM
I am sure there has been a thread on this already, but here goes anyhow. Just curious how many of you either like, or dislike the picklefork design. MasterCraft has "revolutionized" the ski/wake boat design vs the traditional V shaped bow, that now seems like every other manufacturer has copied. I am shopping for a new boat, and personally like the pickelfork look, kind of cool. My wife, on the other hand, told me last night, "You better not get a stupid picklefork boat!" Also curious if the p.f. design allows for more room, has any distinct advantages over conventional, or is primarily just aesthetic. Probably gonna have to stick with the 205V/X1/early X2...........or go boating by myself

jvbaca
02-28-2013, 05:22 PM
Personally I like the "Pickle Fork" bow vs traditional for the looks and additional space afforded to those that like the bow of the boat to ride around and relax in. My wife likes the extra space to stretch out in. It also allows more people to sit up front comfortably. I think your wife would quickly appreciate the benefits to it. However, you have to be careful and learn to drive it properly so you don't take water over the bow accidentally (no I've never done that, yea right!). That's my 2 cents. I'm sure there are proponents both for and against and it all boils down to personal preference.

jgraham37128
02-28-2013, 05:25 PM
I like the Pickle Fork due to the extra size in the front of the boat!

Ole Miss Rebels
02-28-2013, 05:29 PM
pickle-fork all the way for me. lots more room up front and no down-side other than taking rollers over the front which we do regularly if we lose focus. i have seen "v" bows take water over the front too though.

willyt
02-28-2013, 05:48 PM
Not going to have a choice in the next 10 years - all the manufactures have gone to that design. MC is one of the few that are actually still putting out pointy bowed boats (IMO the x10 needed a pickle... Bow is so small in that boat)

Have a friend take you out on their x2, star or 45 while the bimini is up. Watch her migrate to the bow and enjoy the sun... Problem solved.

Plus you really can't beat the look of an 03-11 star on the water

kyfooter
02-28-2013, 05:59 PM
"Revolutionized" is a nice way of putting it...35 years later:

russlars
02-28-2013, 06:11 PM
Happy wife=Happy life. Just sayin;)

texasjet
02-28-2013, 06:18 PM
You are likely to get replies directly along the lines of the boat the person replying owns. They both have there pros and cons.

The size boat you are looking for and the number of people that mostly go out with you also make a difference as to what works best for you.

We typically have 6-8 people on the boat. Several of those may be kid (and no doubt there favorite place is the platform). Adults are usually hanging out in the back comfy seats (closer to the cooler I might add). Some people like to sit up front while we are cruising, but most prefer the back for comfort and talking.

neil.anderson63
02-28-2013, 06:20 PM
russlars - AMEN!!! As soon as the little woman sat up there we started writing the check and the X9 went up for sale... Pickle fork provides loads of extra room compared to traditional bow styling.

texasjet
02-28-2013, 06:23 PM
Hit send a little quick. 😝😝😝

Anyway we have an '08 x30 and can have three people in the front comfortably. We also prefer the look and styling of the traditional bow.

Agree with previous comments that the new x10 bow seems small, but it is also 2ft smaller than the x30.

Maybe consider # people and size of boat and aesthetic look and you will find a good fit.

Short answer is you can't go too wrong either way.

rgardjr1
02-28-2013, 06:39 PM
(IMO the x10 needed a pickle... Bow is so small in that boat)

That was my feeling when I checked out the X-10 at the show a couple of weeks ago. My wife and daughters love riding up front in the pickle fork-I've never ridden up front, but I have hung out there when the boat was anchored.

thatsmrmastercraft
02-28-2013, 07:28 PM
"Revolutionized" is a nice way of putting it...35 years later:

:D:D:D

jafo9
02-28-2013, 08:14 PM
any comments on how it effects visibility from the captain's chair? on our 02 x30, it is sometimes hard to see around the folks in the bow, i've thought on many occasions that having the wider pf bow would make it even harder to see when folks are riding in the bow.

KahunaCraft
02-28-2013, 08:35 PM
If you like to ski, there might be a difference in the two types...advantage p.n.

New style...advantage p.f.

More bow space when comparing boats of equal lengths...advantage p.f.

Wakeboard adv p.f.

Surf adv. p.n.

I think there is a lot to say about happy wife, happy life.

Frankly, if my dealer would have told me that the X35 or X25 p.f.'s were better for skiing and surfing than my X30 - I would have bought a p.f.

MASTIQUE
02-28-2013, 08:48 PM
The big thing for me was the way the PF bow seats both swing up with the back rest and the bottom cushion on both sides. For gear / board storage, this is key! Also the bow area to board from the dock with a wide spot is nice and the ladies like to use the bow ladder for a "bathroom" dip. Kids also like it for a "launch pad" for swimming around the boat and front to back....

east tx skier
02-28-2013, 09:10 PM
"Revolutionized" is a nice way of putting it...35 years later:

Yeah, not exactly new. And I don't care for it.

My lawn, get off it. Old man coming through. :)

http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1631&stc=1&d=1107628799

mzimme
02-28-2013, 09:17 PM
I personally love the pickelfork... it gives you the same room as a boat about 3 feet longer. It took a while for it to grow on me, but man, if I had the choice I'd go pickelfork over the others. Still love the X15 though.

bikenskijerm
02-28-2013, 09:27 PM
We have a PN (X-15) and I spend a lot of time on Specters X-30. I will say that though the PF clearly has significantly more room, I don't think that space has ever been an issue for either of us. That said, I will second the guy who said you really can't go wrong either way. If money were no object I'd have a new star and that PF is, shall we say, unique.

esu
02-28-2013, 10:21 PM
We have a2011 X2 and love the PF. It makes for a wider, but shorter bow area. Our family is short so that was a good thing. The main reason we love it is that 3-5 kiddos can all "be in front" equally. No more arguing who gets the front!

Theclarks1111
03-01-2013, 12:10 PM
Happy wife=Happy life. Just sayin;)

Honestly, I wanted a X14V and wound up having to settle on a X2 specifically for the pickle fork. My wife loved it as soon as we got in it. I couldn't convince her otherwise!

Thrall
03-01-2013, 12:47 PM
Honestly, I wanted a X14V and wound up having to settle on a X2 specifically for the pickle fork. My wife loved it as soon as we got in it. I couldn't convince her otherwise!

She has good taste!

BamaCraft
03-01-2013, 09:07 PM
If you are more concerned with room the PF allows for folks to spread out and stretch out. We decided on a X-55 and wife absolutely loves the bow. I do as well when my DD is driving. The bow doesn't restrict your vision unless you have several adults up there. If I do have several up there I make sure my wife or DD is up there keeping a spot for boats, debris etc..another consideration is how she like to cruise-sit, layout, face fwd/aft...the PF allows for either a little more comfortably when in bow. If you plan to roll with a crowd and wifey likes to sun and have her own space she'll love the PF once she tries it. Tell her to keep an open mind till you guys go lounge in some for a day. even if she doesn't budge, you'll win either way....

Jerseydave
03-01-2013, 11:52 PM
I like the extra storage, the way the seats lift up and the extra space for sunning. (your wife should like that part too)

Plus you can't beat the look of a slammed pickle fork MC on the water! :D

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Red 08 Xstar
03-02-2013, 12:26 AM
Honestly, I wanted a X14V and wound up having to settle on a X2 specifically for the pickle fork. My wife loved it as soon as we got in it. I couldn't convince her otherwise!

Ditto on the "couldn't convince her otherwise". Once she saw it there was no going back.

GoneBoatN
03-02-2013, 12:25 PM
So with my PN X-15, when in heavy chop, I use the attitude adjustment plate to drop the bow so that it cuts through the waves for a bit of a better ride. I'll do this when crossing the bigger sections of lakes when the wind is blowing and we are trying to get to a better spot to wakeboard. Do any of you guys do that with the PF boats? Does it work well?

Space was not a big concern for me as we don't take that many out with us. I do plan to put a fat sac in the bow this year so I will have to relocate my anchor but that is no biggie.

Oh, and space was a big issue with me fitting the boat in the garage at an angle. Every inch counted. So that was the end of story for me and any PF boats.

jdl xstar
03-02-2013, 12:53 PM
Another pickle fork advantage... depending on the model, you can get the bow ladder. I've only used mine a few times but when I do, its really handy to have. But, I'm with all the others in saying the bow has more room and the flip up seat are great for accessing the storage space. Also, that extra space on the front deck allows for a good step on/off spot when picking up or dropping off folks.

A boat like an x30 probably already has a good amount of space up front but I'd bet a comparably long boat like an x35 would feel much bigger. But in the case of x15, the cabin space is much larger than, say, an xstar which is similar in length so there are some trade offs there.

LittleFuss
04-19-2013, 03:19 PM
In my experience water over the bow has been due to the driver...unless you are heading into 5' or greater swells and in that case you should have been at the house...

Thrall
04-19-2013, 04:03 PM
In my experience water over the bow has been due to the driver...unless you are heading into 5' or greater swells and in that case you should have been at the house...

To a point (no pun intended) I agree, but the PF boats, X2 and X45 are the ones I have time in, DO take water over the bow easier then say a X15 or X30. If you look at the lines, the MC PF boats angle down considerably towards the bow and any ill timed rollers, especially with surf weight or a full load of people up front can easily dunk the nose.
Compared to the X15, with 600lbs more weight than I surf with in my X2, you can't hardly dunk the nose if you try.
The dropped nose gives them a sleek look on the water but not as practical.
If any of you have seen the add for the Boarding School where Moye and someone are standing on the bows of a X star and a Nautique V nose, it becomes apparent. The Star is only 2' maybe to the top of the gunnels in front off the water where the Nautique is twice as high off the water.

Who cares though, it's a boat, it'll get wet.
Given the choice at the time I would have taken a X 15 over my X2, but I do like the looks of the PF a little better.

Vern Swieringa
04-19-2013, 04:39 PM
I started with a 230 and upgraded to a 245. Pickle fork gives a lot more room in the bow. I struggled at first with the new look, but now everybody has one they are here to stay.

GoneBoatN
04-19-2013, 06:36 PM
To a point (no pun intended) I agree, but the PF boats, X2 and X45 are the ones I have time in, DO take water over the bow easier then say a X15 or X30. If you look at the lines, the MC PF boats angle down considerably towards the bow and any ill timed rollers, especially with surf weight or a full load of people up front can easily dunk the nose.
Compared to the X15, with 600lbs more weight than I surf with in my X2, you can't hardly dunk the nose if you try.
The dropped nose gives them a sleek look on the water but not as practical.
If any of you have seen the add for the Boarding School where Moye and someone are standing on the bows of a X star and a Nautique V nose, it becomes apparent. The Star is only 2' maybe to the top of the gunnels in front off the water where the Nautique is twice as high off the water.

Who cares though, it's a boat, it'll get wet.
Given the choice at the time I would have taken a X 15 over my X2, but I do like the looks of the PF a little better.

Let my wife drive, she will fix that!

Red 08 Xstar
04-19-2013, 06:38 PM
Another pickle fork advantage... depending on the model, you can get the bow ladder. I've only used mine a few times but when I do, its really handy to have.

Mine mostly gets used for women getting in the water to pee without jumping in.