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indyprostar190
02-25-2013, 10:37 PM
I own an 87 mastercraft prostar 190(gross weight with trailer 2700 lbs) and I am looking for a new tow vehicle that I can use as a daily driver when not towing to the boat. Generally the boat is towed 3-25 miles to and from the launch. Being Indiana the terrain is generally flat with only one launch being abnormal (steep and about 150 feet long). I am looking at used trucks/suvs and I have gotten input that is all over the place from trucks with massive towing capacity to suvs such as the acura mdx, gmc acadia. I am just looking for some info....let me know

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
02-25-2013, 10:41 PM
What your budget? We are very good at spending other peoples money...

indyprostar190
02-25-2013, 10:45 PM
HAHA very good point, I am looking used/preowned so lets so $20,000

FLY6584
02-25-2013, 10:53 PM
I used to own a F-250 Diesel that I towed my boats with so I was spoiled when it came to towing, but we had a baby and needed something a little more family friendly like an SUV so I set out looking for an SUV with the highest towing capacity.

The best thing I found was a 2006-2009 V8 Toyota 4Runner. The 2wd model can tow 7300lbs and the 4wd model can tow 7000lbs which is the same as a Chevy Silverado 1500 Z71 or Chevy Tahoe, but the great part is I get 16mpg in the city and 19mpg on the highway (not towing obviously) where a Silverado/Tahoe will only get 16 on a good day.

They stopped putting V8's in 4Runners back in 2009 and the V6 4Runner's only have a 5000lb towing capacity so it can be hard to find one. I had to have mine shipped across the country because it had to be a black limited edition model with 4x4. The sport and limited models also come with a heavy duty transmission cooling package and I believe the sports come with larger brakes as well.

FLY6584
02-25-2013, 10:54 PM
HAHA very good point, I am looking used/preowned so lets so $20,000

And I found my 2006 fully loaded Limited 4x4 4Runner with 55k mi on it for $20k so it's definitely possible to find a good deal on one if you are not picky on the color and whether it's a Sport or Limited model.

By the way it tow's my large offshore boat great so if it can tow that it will tow a ski boat even better.

SKIBUMM
02-25-2013, 10:55 PM
My wife's 2003 Yukon get better mileage than my 08 V8 Runner both with and without the boat.

FLY6584
02-25-2013, 10:57 PM
My wife's 2003 Yukon get better mileage than my 08 V8 Runner both with and without the boat.

Really? What kind of numbers do you all see?

FLY6584
02-25-2013, 11:01 PM
Plus I just think they look so much better than the million Tahoe's you see on the road...

SKIBUMM
02-25-2013, 11:28 PM
thats why I have a runner it looks so much better than the yukon INHO. I get 16 in runner around town and 12/13 pulling the boat. The Yukon 5.3 gets 18 around town and 14 with the boat. The Yukon handles the boat os much better than the runner does but I would still take the runner over the Yukon. You want really poor mileage pulling the boat my FJ cruiser (lifted and heavily modified with 35 inch tires) gets only 10 pulling the boat and the V6 is working it's guts out.

FLY6584
02-25-2013, 11:38 PM
Besides a nice diesel truck will give you too much confidence towing and allow your wife to drive while you take a nap only to wake up to this... ;)

SP Maristar
02-25-2013, 11:54 PM
We are driving a 2003 Lexus GX470. 6500 lb towing capacity and a short wheelbase, so backing is easy. We have owned ours from 35k miles to 85Kish now. Other than being hard on brakes (it is heavy and the rotors tend to warp), and looking a little tall, it has been bulletproof. The drivetrain is a dream.

Aric'sX15
02-26-2013, 12:02 AM
Besides a nice diesel truck will give you too much confidence towing and allow your wife to drive while you take a nap only to wake up to this... ;)

Holy h*ll! details!

FLY6584
02-26-2013, 12:11 AM
Holy h*ll! details!

I posted this in another thread, but I'll repost it...

We were very lucky. My wife was 5 months pregnant at the time. I was up late the night before and wanted to catch a quick nap on a 12hr ride we had that day so I let her drive. I got too confident in my diesel truck and figured she could keep it between the lines with the cruise control set at 75mph, but unfortunately she didn't know to turn the cruise control off when it started raining and after a semi-truck cut her off she started hydro-planing, slammed off the left guard rail, got sideways, jack-knifed, and went off the right side of the road, down an embankment, ejecting the boat from the trailer. I woke up when we started slamming into the left guard rail, but there wasn't much I could do from the passenger seat at that point.

We are definitely very thankful to have walked away from that and I hold myself 100% accountable for having too much confidence in my diesel truck and it was a learning experience I hope no one else ever has to experience first hand.

Aric'sX15
02-26-2013, 12:14 AM
Sorry i just caught it in the other thread! glad everyone is okay!

willyt
02-26-2013, 12:36 AM
Yeah, glad everyone was ok.

Was this the same incident that sparked so much debate on ww about tie-downs?

Well, we all learned an important lesson - women can't tow boats

jhall0711
02-26-2013, 10:00 AM
Yeah, glad everyone was ok.

Was this the same incident that sparked so much debate on ww about tie-downs?

Well, we all learned an important lesson - women can't tow boats

Amen... Preach brother....;)

02ProstarSammyD
02-26-2013, 10:35 AM
Besides a nice diesel truck will give you too much confidence towing and allow your wife to drive while you take a nap only to wake up to this... ;)
Thank GOD IT WAS JUST A NAUTIQUE! Are the v8 runners geared like the sequia's? I've towed with a family members and it felt like it was geared wayyyyyyyy too high to tow at highway speed

Jason.H.
02-26-2013, 01:41 PM
I tow with an 02 tahoe 4x4. I bought it when someone traded it in at my work for 5 grand. It is so nice to drive, we take it on all of our long trips even without the boat. gas mileage usually averages 15-17mpg per tank. (boat is 1990 tristar 190)

Thrall
02-26-2013, 03:10 PM
Glad everyone was ok in that crash! But IMO it had nothing to do wtih confidence in the diesel truck and all about confidence in your tires and wife's decision making capability. Again glad there were no injuries. Big trucks hydro plane with crappy tires just like little ones. Whether driving a F350 pulling a house or a Yugo it's not a good idea to use cruise when it's raining.
To the op, older Prostar and short trips in the flatlands, pretty much any V6 SUV or midsize pickup rated at 4000lbs or better will do the trick. Obviously the bigger the vehicle, the easier on drivetrain and brakes and the more comfortable the ride, but anything in the Grand Cherokee, 4Runner, Explorer size vehicles will do fine.

TxsRiverRat
02-26-2013, 03:25 PM
My .02 cents...

I pull my PS205 with a Toyota Tacoma and I'd much rather have a bigger heavier tow vehicle... The boat tosses the Taco all over the road and it could use more power to get moving.

I vote for the heavier vehicle.

Snipe
02-26-2013, 03:32 PM
I use my F-150 / 4.6 with a 5 speed stick w/overdrive to pull a 1998 Prostar 190; it does an awesome job. don't even know the boat is back there. :twocents:

TRBenj
02-26-2013, 05:17 PM
My .02 cents...

I pull my PS205 with a Toyota Tacoma and I'd much rather have a bigger heavier tow vehicle... The boat tosses the Taco all over the road and it could use more power to get moving.

I vote for the heavier vehicle.
What year Taco? The latest gen that can tow 6500lbs is pretty stout. The earlier ones were a little smaller/lighter/less powerful and had a shorter wheelbase.

Another big fan of the V8 4Runner... Ive got a '07. Our boats are all under 20', but Ive had no problems towing those that dont have trailer brakes. Rear air bags are nice top help level out the ride if you travel with a lot of gear though... Id recommend them since theyre pretty cheap ($90).

TxsRiverRat
02-26-2013, 05:35 PM
What year Taco? The latest gen that can tow 6500lbs is pretty stout. The earlier ones were a little smaller/lighter/less powerful and had a shorter wheelbase.

Another big fan of the V8 4Runner... Ive got a '07. Our boats are all under 20', but Ive had no problems towing those that dont have trailer brakes. Rear air bags are nice top help level out the ride if you travel with a lot of gear though... Id recommend them since theyre pretty cheap ($90).

I have the 2004 Tacoma Prerunner (the old body style).

Hard to kill a toyota - mines got 194K on it

Jerseydave
02-26-2013, 07:44 PM
Your boat is pretty light and you don't tow that far so many vehicles will work for you.

One rule of thumb for towing....longer wheelbase = better and more stable.
For example, suburban is better than a Tahoe.
Crew cab pickup better than a regular cab. You get the idea.

Pick a vehicle you like to drive solo first, then make sure it's up to the task pulling your boat.

(I've had 2 Suburbans, a Yukon Denali and a Yukon XL Denali and they would all be great for towing your prostar)

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gweaver
02-27-2013, 12:38 AM
I've got the same boat as you, except an 88. I tow with a 2004 Chevy Silverado 4.8 extended cab. We've towed the boat about 150 miles, two adults, two kids, boat toys, camping gear, food and ice for a week with no issues. I'd guess easily 700-800 lbs of stuff in the truck, a full tank of gas in the boat. No idea what mileage was, I'd guess 14-15? No major problems pulling the hills, either. I occasionally wish I'd gotten the 5.3, but truth be told, the 4.8 moves me just fine. Picked it up used for $7k.
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jhall0711
02-27-2013, 01:08 AM
I've got the same boat as you, except an 88. I tow with a 2004 Chevy Silverado 4.8 extended cab. We've towed the boat about 150 miles, two adults, two kids, boat toys, camping gear, food and ice for a week with no issues. I'd guess easily 700-800 lbs of stuff in the truck, a full tank of gas in the boat. No idea what mileage was, I'd guess 14-15? No major problems pulling the hills, either. I occasionally wish I'd gotten the 5.3, but truth be told, the 4.8 moves me just fine. Picked it up used for $7k.
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Same boat... 89 Prostar 190. I tow with 2004 Silverado Z71 w/5.3. That motor is more than enough for a boat of this weight. It handles the boat very well and gets pretty decent milage. Not towing about 19-20 highway, 14-15 city. Towing the boat 15 MPG highway at 65. About 12-13 if I am in a hurry doing about 73-75. My average wknd trip is 135 miles and it is a nice ride. My buddy has a Suburban with the same powertrain and also loves it.

zsqure
03-03-2013, 10:11 AM
It pretty much depends on how much gas you want to burn the rest of the week. As a daily driver you would need a big gas allowance to have a pickup, or anything truck related. It's up to you if you are comfortable spending $100+ a week to drive to work,etc. then get the truck. Other wise any vehicle with a v6 and 3500-4000 towing capacity will fit the need. :D

zsqure
03-03-2013, 04:49 PM
But seriously, if this can tow a PS190 just about anything can.:D

thatsmrmastercraft
03-03-2013, 04:58 PM
But seriously, if this can tow a PS190 just about anything can.:D

That's about the same proportion as a lot of rigs here.

FrankSchwab
03-03-2013, 05:24 PM
For your boat, just about any SUV with an appropriate tow rating will be fine. I towed my boat (1000 pounds more than yours) for years with a 4.0L V6 '98 Explorer, and never had a concern. Couldn't go over about 55 going up the 6% grades around here (well, I actually proved that I could maintain 65, but it involved some awfully high RPM's), but for anything else I had sufficient power and stability.
With the Expedition I have now, the boat has even less impact on performance/handling.

I'm going to agree with JerseyDave:
Pick a vehicle you like to drive solo first, then make sure it's up to the task pulling your boat.

maxpower220
03-03-2013, 06:34 PM
I have had a Ford Bronco, 2 Chevy Avalanches (02, 09), and now a Ecoboost F-150 (13). All pulled my boats extremely well. For backing and general in town towing, the Bronco was great with a short wheelbase. The Avys and F-150 are great for most everything. I had a leaf spring snap on my Sportstar trailer on I-10 at 70 mph. It was strapped down, but talk about Mr. Toads Wild Ride. I was extremely glad to have been in my 6000 lb Avalanche during that episode.

thatsmrmastercraft
03-03-2013, 11:39 PM
I have had a Ford Bronco, 2 Chevy Avalanches (02, 09), and now a Ecoboost F-150 (13). All pulled my boats extremely well. For backing and general in town towing, the Bronco was great with a short wheelbase. The Avys and F-150 are great for most everything. I had a leaf spring snap on my Sportstar trailer on I-10 at 70 mph. It was strapped down, but talk about Mr. Toads Wild Ride. I was extremely glad to have been in my 6000 lb Avalanche during that episode.

Yikes:eek3:

kbrighton
03-04-2013, 08:35 PM
I tow my 91 PS190 with a BMW X5 V8, 5000lb rating. It pulls well, has a very nice factory hitch/wiring kit available and has some little details built in that you don't notice until you actually hitch something up. Module to change shifting points and anti-sway programming for the AWD are nice, the 4 wheel self leveling suspension means no squat, and it disables the rear park distance control when there is a trailer plugged in. And when you arent towing in luxury, you are still driving a fully capable Ultimate Driving Machine. There are loads of X5s for sale with low miles in your price point.

SCX45
09-09-2013, 06:52 PM
We are getting a MC X45 this week. Any suggestions on what vehicle would be best to tow it with? We live 3 miles from the dock..

scott023
09-09-2013, 09:50 PM
We are getting a MC X45 this week. Any suggestions on what vehicle would be best to tow it with? We live 3 miles from the dock..

Are you planning to you're it more then the three miles ever?

CC2MC
09-10-2013, 04:15 PM
We are getting a MC X45 this week. Any suggestions on what vehicle would be best to tow it with? We live 3 miles from the dock..

Just 3 miles? Your choices are wide open. If you ever need to tow it more than three miles, I would suggest a vehicle with a larger wheelbase. An X45 is not a light boat, so unlike the one that started the thread, you cannot go with a smaller vehicle like a smaller pickup or 4runner, unless you only plan on hauling it three miles. Whatever you end up getting, make sure you get a vehicle with a transmission cooler, just in case you have to ever haul it a longer distance.

Tommy1005
09-11-2013, 03:11 PM
1/2 ton, or Tahoe/Yukon/Expedition would be plenty for the 3 mile trip and give you the ability to take a longer trip if you wanted to

strad
09-11-2013, 04:09 PM
I second a Tahoe. Nice truck to drive, three row seating (wish mine had this, but its a GMt400 so not available). And the small block has plenty of power to handle your boat. Also heavy enough to safely handle your boat on the ramp.

Pickwick
09-11-2013, 04:16 PM
Whatev.

bailey78
09-11-2013, 04:23 PM
Nissian armanda, couldnt ask for a better tow rig. Other than gas milage but we knew buying it though.

Wingnut
11-26-2013, 09:13 AM
Ouch!

scott023
11-26-2013, 09:18 AM
Ouch!

?????

DHPRO
11-26-2013, 03:56 PM
Im in midst of same truck decision. Currently have 2008 Tundra, and it - or any other half ton/1500 will tow the boats just fine, short or long haul. Still, as I will be going thru some mountains usually, I like the idea of a 2500. I like the Escalade 6.2L motor and luxury, but the price tag is killer! It looks like I'll either go with Denali HD 2500 or the Yukon XL Denali 2500 with gas 6.0L - 6.2L if I can get it. (I spend lots of time up North in Quebec during the winter and just dont want the hassle of diesel in the cold)

drschemel
11-26-2013, 06:07 PM
I love my denali XL 6.2L, but didn't know you could get in in a 2500 suspension. I thought they were all 1500 with active leveling. It shouldn't matter unless you have a single axle trailer. Price not much less than an Escalade though!

scott023
11-26-2013, 07:01 PM
I love my denali XL 6.2L, but didn't know you could get in in a 2500 suspension. I thought they were all 1500 with active leveling. It shouldn't matter unless you have a single axle trailer. Price not much less than an Escalade though!

You can't get the 6.2 in a 2500. I tried and tried to get them to make one. Can only get the 6.0 or Dmax in a 2500.

Jerseydave
11-26-2013, 07:32 PM
Im in midst of same truck decision. Currently have 2008 Tundra, and it - or any other half ton/1500 will tow the boats just fine, short or long haul. Still, as I will be going thru some mountains usually, I like the idea of a 2500. I like the Escalade 6.2L motor and luxury, but the price tag is killer! It looks like I'll either go with Denali HD 2500 or the Yukon XL Denali 2500 with gas 6.0L - 6.2L if I can get it. (I spend lots of time up North in Quebec during the winter and just dont want the hassle of diesel in the cold)

Test drive an F-150 Ecoboost. With the MaxTow package it will handle over 11K lbs.
Many rave about how good these trucks tow......I'm one of those people! I love it, and I came from a Yukon XL Denali 6.2 and this truck tows much better. 18 mpg highway solo, 10 mpg towing the X-star. Mine's a Platinum, all the bells and whistles of the Denali, and I love the air conditioned seats!

scott023
11-26-2013, 08:01 PM
Test drive an F-150 Ecoboost. With the MaxTow package it will handle over 11K lbs.
Many rave about how good these trucks tow......I'm one of those people! I love it, and I came from a Yukon XL Denali 6.2 and this truck tows much better. 18 mpg highway solo, 10 mpg towing the X-star. Mine's a Platinum, all the bells and whistles of the Denali, and I love the air conditioned seats!

The Denali has air conditioned seats too. :D

Aric'sX15
11-26-2013, 08:14 PM
Out of curiosity, say I want identically equipped f150 platinum vs gmc denali 1500 4x4. Whats the price difference?

And if you have a tundra, any car or truck is an upgrade. Lol

Jerseydave
11-26-2013, 08:48 PM
Out of curiosity, say I want identically equipped f150 platinum vs gmc denali 1500 4x4. Whats the price difference?

And if you have a tundra, any car or truck is an upgrade. Lol

My Platinum stickered for around 53K.....but it's November so leftovers are out there I would imagine. You should be able to strike a good deal right about now.
The '14 Denali is a brand new body style, so not sure if the discount would be as good with those.

Jerseydave
11-26-2013, 08:50 PM
The Denali has air conditioned seats too. :D

My seats were not A/C, but then again my Denali was an '07. I do miss the heated steering wheel though. When my CD player quit they wanted $1300 to fix it because of the NAV........I said no thanks.

scott023
11-26-2013, 10:37 PM
My seats were not A/C, but then again my Denali was an '07. I do miss the heated steering wheel though. When my CD player quit they wanted $1300 to fix it because of the NAV........I said no thanks.

The nav systems are nuts to repair/replace. I bought the longest term warranty I could for that reason.

ohiojohn
12-23-2013, 10:38 PM
I have an x14. Any body doing any towing with the newer Durango's ?

dt37803
01-04-2014, 07:32 PM
Nedd to upgrade from Ranger 4wd to tow new X2. Does anybody use 2wd to tow? I never used 4wd on a ramp for my 3000# Bayliner.

mikeg205
01-04-2014, 07:34 PM
Nedd to upgrade from Ranger 4wd to tow new X2. Does anybody use 2wd to tow? I never used 4wd on a ramp for my 3000# Bayliner.

Did you say Bayliner? ;)

dt37803
01-04-2014, 07:39 PM
Did you say Bayliner? ;)

yes It was good way to get back into boating b4 purchacing the X2:o

mikeg205
01-04-2014, 08:09 PM
Boat 4300 pounds + 1500 lbs(?) trailer - full tank of gas is 45 gallons so another 270 pounds

so total weight no toys in boat... 6000 lbs. what's your budget - I am big on Fords - I would never back down a ramp with 2 wheel (1 wheel) drive... with that weight.

I have 3400 lbs with boat and trailer.. I have a 02 Ford E150 Van 2wd 4.6lv8 and an 02 Ford Explorer 4WD 4.0 V8. I could tow about 1K more but that would be about it.

I'd go F150 4x4 with the 5.0 minimum. F150 weighs in at 6650 gross vehicle weight - so make sure your get the gross combines vehicle weight... But I would give a test on the 3.5 with eco-boost... but I like spending other peoples money...

dt37803
01-04-2014, 08:15 PM
Looking @ pre owned, only used to tow boat and haul mulch etc. occasionally. 15k budgeted, in that price range with 4wd all have over 100k here in east tn.

coz
01-04-2014, 08:17 PM
I am big on Fords

Me too, my 2wd F150 and Expedition do just fine, although I am only pulling a 205.

dt37803
01-04-2014, 08:22 PM
I thought 4wd would only help when pulling out the boat. Wouldn't a 2wd have roughly the same gvw? I always back down the ramp in neutral anyway. That way the truck wont push me down the ramp and I can go as slow as I want only using the brakes.

soacj
01-04-2014, 08:35 PM
I thought 4wd would only help when pulling out the boat. Wouldn't a 2wd have roughly the same gvw? I always back down the ramp in neutral anyway. That way the truck wont push me down the ramp and I can go as slow as I want only using the brakes.

"GVW" equals gross vehicle weight, the actual weight of your vehicle including tongue weight of the trailer. "GVWR" is gross vehicle weight rating, which is probably what you meant there, the max. weight your vehicle is rated to carry including tongue weight, but excluding the remainder of the trailer weight. "GCWR", gross combined weight rating, is what you should be interested in--the total weight the vehicle is rated to haul including vehicle weight and trailer weight.

2wd trucks, depending on how they're spec'd, might have a greater load carrying capacity because of less drivetrain componentry weight eating up the GVWR/GCWR.

Personally I wouldn't have a non 4wd truck--you don't need it 95% of the time, but when you do, it's invaluable. The resale is better also.

mikeg205
01-04-2014, 08:53 PM
Looking @ pre owned, only used to tow boat and haul mulch etc. occasionally. 15k budgeted, in that price range with 4wd all have over 100k here in east tn.

How far will you be towing?

I got a bit lusty on this when I went for an oil change... yesterday - but it was 62K.

Here's 4x4 Lariat by me for 19K

http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=10048607&AVi=0&No=0&Rp=R&D=50&zip=60544&ASTc=f150%204x4&Q=105c3df3-ca41-46ab-b958-d7d86d3e8dc5&Ep=search:results:results%20page

100K miles nothing for an f150.... even repairs and or upgrades are not a killer...

scott023
01-04-2014, 09:32 PM
How far will you be towing?

I got a bit lusty on this when I went for an oil change... yesterday - but it was 62K.

Here's 4x4 Lariat by me for 19K

http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=10048607&AVi=0&No=0&Rp=R&D=50&zip=60544&ASTc=f150%204x4&Q=105c3df3-ca41-46ab-b958-d7d86d3e8dc5&Ep=search:results:results%20page

100K miles nothing for an f150.... even repairs and or upgrades are not a killer...

I like that color

atihanyi
01-04-2014, 10:11 PM
+1 on the f-150 - we have an 04 lariat super crew with 140000 rounds on it and the 5.4 litre . we live on the lake so mostly used during hunting season now but used it to tow my 24ft twin engine skater to larger water and wouldn't even know it was back there . the only maintenance has been brakes ,tires ,and an alternator other than oil and fluid changes . been a great truck .
gas mileage kinda sucks though

dt37803
01-04-2014, 10:41 PM
been a great truck .
gas mileage kinda sucks though:(

MC's don't get great mileage either:D

dt37803
01-04-2014, 10:51 PM
Thanks for the input guys, I guess I will have to put off purchase till spring when more trucks come available and my budget grows.

mikeg205
01-04-2014, 10:52 PM
Thanks for the input guys, I guess I will have to put off purchase till spring when more trucks come available and my budget grows.

time for a new law... ATVA - Affordable Tow Vehicle Act.. ;)

dt37803
01-04-2014, 10:54 PM
I think MC should just include one with every new boat purchased.:)

mikeg205
01-04-2014, 10:55 PM
I think MC should just include one with every new boat purchased.:)

I think that's a great idea.. - a strip down f150 4x4 ;) :D

atihanyi
01-04-2014, 10:57 PM
:(

MC's don't get great mileage either:D

yes but I enjoy driving my boat the truck is just transportation