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Thrall
02-25-2013, 04:22 PM
Well, may be heading to Alaska for the next 2 years. Not taking the boat for obvious reasons. I can layup the boat in my shop where it sits in the winter for about 8 months anyway, so it dry and protected, but a couple years is a different story.
Couple things I'm planning in addition to everything required to winterize normally (already done) are as follows:
Block up trailer on frame to keep the weight off the axles and tires (never done this before, but usually end up moving the boat once or twice in the offseason for some reason).
Fog the cylinders. (Again, never done in the past for a winter layup, but probably will do for 2 year layup.)
Pull the batteries. (And put them in my truck. OE batteries are 7yrs old in the truck anyway and hate to trash a couple high dollar Odyssey batteries and dont want them sitting that long unattended on the maintainer.)
Fuel? This is the big question. Typically I just run it low, Seafoam it and call it good for the winter, never had any trouble with that. But 2 years, closer to 3 yrs maybe adding in this current off season, is different. I'm sure the fuel pump "should" stay wet, but what ever, that's an easy cheap replacement if when it craps out. Drain the tank? How to get all the fuel out?
What about the engine/fuel rail? Run it out of gas? What's best with regards to this?
If I was close to someone I trusted I'd rather it get run a few times each summer, but not possible here.

Any other suggestions?

Dylan
02-25-2013, 05:35 PM
It sounds like you have a handle on the situation. It's a shame you're not taking the boat, I heard crab fishing up there off an X2 is the norm :)

Rockman
02-25-2013, 05:39 PM
If you put blocks under the trailer to get the weight off the tires, won't that cause the axles to bend over time? :confused:

That's what my uncle told me...he used to have a number of classic cars and never put them up on blocks for this reason. He just made sure he rolled them back and forth every so often.

Our BF200 has been stored up north for 2+ years now with a bad motor and we have not moved it since we put it in the garage...everything seems fine...

mikeg205
02-25-2013, 05:49 PM
Maybe you can Lumbergh or someone run it a few hours a year to keep all the seals and other important internals lubricated correctly....I know I could count on someone near me to take good care of my PS205 a few times a season if I was in your situation... ;)

sand2snow22
02-25-2013, 06:14 PM
I will take good care of it :)

bjen
02-25-2013, 06:22 PM
If he blocks the frame like he says, nothing to worry about-have to get the tires up.

Too bad you dont have someone you trust to run it, that would be best but a pain to put back to bed again after an hour or 2. I used a simple hand transfer pump with an extended hose to drain my tank, kind of rolled one side of the trailer up on a block to get it all to one end.

Have you considered putting it up for sale, 2-3 years is a long time, big chunk of the depreciation is gone already I guess but you may get into something newer for the same money in a few years. It never ceases to amaze me the low hour, quality boats that come up for sale.

rgardjr1
02-25-2013, 06:25 PM
I will take good care of it :)

Too bad I bought a Blazer last summer-now I don't have room in the garage at my lake place. It could've stayed in my garage at Priest next to it's paternal twin and Sands could use it when he makes it up during the summer.

Thrall
02-25-2013, 07:53 PM
Maybe you can Lumbergh or someone run it a few hours a year to keep all the seals and other important internals lubricated correctly....I know I could count on someone near me to take good care of my PS205 a few times a season if I was in your situation... ;)

If I lived back in IL again where you are I'd have no problem getting the boat "excercised" by good friends who are also MC/boat owners, with confidence. Got one in Naperville and 1 in Fox Lake that would keep 'er up.
Only 1 friend out here I'd trust to do that and he's getting sent to Victoria BC for a project for the next 2 years and doesn't plan on coming back here at all.

Thrall
02-25-2013, 07:59 PM
If he blocks the frame like he says, nothing to worry about-have to get the tires up.

Too bad you dont have someone you trust to run it, that would be best but a pain to put back to bed again after an hour or 2. I used a simple hand transfer pump with an extended hose to drain my tank, kind of rolled one side of the trailer up on a block to get it all to one end.

Have you considered putting it up for sale, 2-3 years is a long time, big chunk of the depreciation is gone already I guess but you may get into something newer for the same money in a few years. It never ceases to amaze me the low hour, quality boats that come up for sale.

Yeah I figured block the frame like you said. Then again I have yet to ever block anything up for storage with no ill effects.
Have thought about selling it. With only 150hrs and in cherry shape (orig owner never used it and I only seem to get 30-40hrs/yr) I could still sell it for more than I paid for it, but that's a tough one. Not in a position that I need to sell it and I put a fair amount of work into it already. Plus I searched a while for pretty much this exact boat, with some of the big things being no exhaust cats, no digital guages, 06 tower, black.
Don't figure I'll "lose" much by letting it sit either. Wakeboats aren't getting any cheaper!

Not sure what I was thinking on the fuel. If I pop the filler hose off the tank, should be able to suck out 95% from there without much trouble. Thanks for the suggestion there.

Thrall
02-25-2013, 08:06 PM
Too bad I bought a Blazer last summer-now I don't have room in the garage at my lake place. It could've stayed in my garage at Priest next to it's paternal twin and Sands could use it when he makes it up during the summer.

Put your Blazer in my shop (better yet I'll keep 'er lubed up in AK for you!) and I'll leave the boat over there!
That might not be a bad idea. Then if we make it back down here during the summer it'll be ready to go.
He!! I still owe you for a cushion anyways.
I'm sure you guys would take care of it.

Eh I dunno, isnt it a little incestuous to let 2 MC's share the same room?:D

Thrall
02-25-2013, 08:13 PM
It sounds like you have a handle on the situation. It's a shame you're not taking the boat, I heard crab fishing up there off an X2 is the norm :)

Haha, funny you should say that. My neighbor here has a 08 Thunder Jet? 6.0 Vortec. Would make a good fishin boat for up there (other than it would suck too much fuel to take too far up the rivers). He's selling it and wants something more ski friendly.
Told him we should just trade for 2 years (tongue in cheek, since his $50k boat sits outside in the rain all year! He doesn't really take care of his stuff. There's about 10 bays of indoor storage on his property and even his brother's boat is under a carport.)

Thrall
02-25-2013, 08:31 PM
Dunno yet exactly what toys will be making the trip with us. Boat and SRT Charger are definately staying home.:(
Sleds are coming for sure and probably the quad, hopefully the old Jeep.
Thing is I'm planning for 2 years gone, but it's a possibility that we may be able to get the project complete by mid summer next year and not go through a 2nd winter (job is on the north slope on ice roads during the dead of winter!).

Footin
02-25-2013, 08:32 PM
Double dose of Sta-bil and run it through the system, fog it and call it good.

02ProstarSammyD
02-25-2013, 08:37 PM
I thought stabil no matter what ratio wouldn't push gas life over like 6 months?

Thrall
02-25-2013, 09:33 PM
I thought stabil no matter what ratio wouldn't push gas life over like 6 months?

I dunno. I'm sure that I have stabilized gas that has sat in my old Jeep for a year with no problem, but you can clean the fuel system on that with a screwdriver, piece of wire and some carb cleaner.
I know about a year unstabiled gas will gum up carbs. I think the stabil may keep the gas from varnishing up for much longer, but after 2 years it might only have like 10 octane left!
My sleds and boat (all efi) regularly sit for up to 8 months, stabilized, with no issue, fire right up, ni injector isues, but I'll still be more inclined to drain the tank, but first do what footin said, dose the crap out of it and run it a bit. Then store it with an empty tank but not actually run the fuel injection system out of gas.

The car is easy. I can get someone to come over and excercise it periodically no problem.

CC2MC
03-03-2013, 07:46 PM
Perhaps put a little no ethanol gas in the tank before you run it out. That should help to minimize the varnishing.

Thrall
03-04-2013, 05:09 PM
Perhaps put a little no ethanol gas in the tank before you run it out. That should help to minimize the varnishing.

Good suggestion. I ran no E gas in the last tank before layup last year, but is now over 7 months old.
May try to get some fresh no E and use up some left over race gas to get a good mix in 'er before the 2 year nap.
What about running it out of gas so the injectors and rail don't sit with stale fuel in them?
After all prep work done, fire it up, pull the fuel pump power and let 'er die.
Good or bad idea?

homer12
03-14-2013, 01:38 PM
How about just sell it, not take the depreciation expense, and get one of the same year when you get back? Then you don't have the expense or worry of storing it, unless you are attached to it... which I get ;)

Thrall
03-14-2013, 08:49 PM
How about just sell it, not take the depreciation expense, and get one of the same year when you get back? Then you don't have the expense or worry of storing it, unless you are attached to it... which I get ;)

Yeah, that's a consideration, along with selling the SRT8 Charger. Any other arrangement at home and both would be on Craigslist already, but we are fortunate enough to have a large detached shop, so storage is a no brainer and no cost.
Deprecition wise, have had it for 3 years now and could still sell it for as much or more than I paid for it, got the stereo and a bunch of other work that I'd prefer not to re-do as well. Besides with the low hours on it, and popularity of X2's, I'm guessing/hoping that it will still be worth about the same a couple years from now.
I am sort of attached to it, but it's not like it's a classic or appreciating in value.
Also have no financial need to get rid of it.
So that's kind of 50/50 deal right now.
If I sold it, I'd probably just have a bunch of cash in the bank for 2 years and then go spend it on pretty much the same boat.

JimN
03-14-2013, 09:04 PM
Well, may be heading to Alaska for the next 2 years. Not taking the boat for obvious reasons. I can layup the boat in my shop where it sits in the winter for about 8 months anyway, so it dry and protected, but a couple years is a different story.
Couple things I'm planning in addition to everything required to winterize normally (already done) are as follows:
Block up trailer on frame to keep the weight off the axles and tires (never done this before, but usually end up moving the boat once or twice in the offseason for some reason).
Fog the cylinders. (Again, never done in the past for a winter layup, but probably will do for 2 year layup.)
Pull the batteries. (And put them in my truck. OE batteries are 7yrs old in the truck anyway and hate to trash a couple high dollar Odyssey batteries and dont want them sitting that long unattended on the maintainer.)
Fuel? This is the big question. Typically I just run it low, Seafoam it and call it good for the winter, never had any trouble with that. But 2 years, closer to 3 yrs maybe adding in this current off season, is different. I'm sure the fuel pump "should" stay wet, but what ever, that's an easy cheap replacement if when it craps out. Drain the tank? How to get all the fuel out?
What about the engine/fuel rail? Run it out of gas? What's best with regards to this?
If I was close to someone I trusted I'd rather it get run a few times each summer, but not possible here.

Any other suggestions?

I would probably run it very low and buy a cheap fuel pump from Napa or somewhere to evacuate the tank completely, or to the point that a few shop towels can blot up the rest. The fuel lines and rails should angle downward when the boat is level, to removing the fuel line(s) to let the fuel drain to a container near the tank might work. If you want to make sure, maybe compressed air can be blown in at the Shrader valve. If the fuel can't drain into the tank when the lines are connected, maybe low pressure air can be used while cranking the engine to clear out anything past the Shrader valve.

I would also disconnect the exhaust hoses from the manifolds and use rubber caps that seal with a hose clamp, rather than a plastic bag- they're cheap and harder for a critter to chew through. LTR? I would get a container of Damp-Rid and place it inside of the flame arrester and cover that well, so damp air can't get into the cylinders and cause corrosion on the areas the fogging oil misses.

Why the move- are you going on the lam?

JohnE
03-14-2013, 09:53 PM
selling seems like a good idea unless you are just that attached to it. You say you have people in IL that you trust, why not leave it with them for the two plus years and let them take care of it? Even if you have to pay to ship it may be worth it

Thrall
03-26-2013, 06:31 PM
Why the move- are you going on the lam?



Yeah, that's why I'm publicizing it! haha
Nope, just got picked to run a bridge construction project on the North Slope for the next 2 winters...brrrrrrrrrrr and with the better part of 9 months in the office in Anchorage doing planning for the project seemed like a great opportunity to see Alaska. Plus it's a good opportunity career wise as well.

Good idea on the fuel pump and damp rid in the intake. If I was in a dry climate I'd just pinch the fuel line, run 'er out of gas and call it good, but Seattle is FAR from that.
Crap I got a buncha work to do to the boat still.

Thrall
03-26-2013, 06:34 PM
selling seems like a good idea unless you are just that attached to it. You say you have people in IL that you trust, why not leave it with them for the two plus years and let them take care of it? Even if you have to pay to ship it may be worth it

Thought's crossed my mind, but between shipping both ways and storage there (neither of my buddies have unoccupied shop space) cost would be in the thousands.
You'll all be the first to know if I gat a wild hair up my arse and throw it up for sale though.

Come to think of it, my shop will easily fit a X15, 25 or 45 and I should come back with some extra cash!!

Dylan
03-26-2013, 06:48 PM
Thought's crossed my mind, but between shipping both ways and storage there (neither of my buddies have unoccupied shop space) cost would be in the thousands.
You'll all be the first to know if I gat a wild hair up my arse and throw it up for sale though.

Come to think of it, my shop will easily fit a X15, 25 or 45 and I should come back with some extra cash!!

I'll cut you a sweet deal. You can store it in my Garage in Havasu (that dry climate you've been looking for) and I'll run it at least once a month to keep it fresh :D


All for a minimal charge!

JimN
03-26-2013, 07:08 PM
Yeah, that's why I'm publicizing it! haha
Nope, just got picked to run a bridge construction project on the North Slope for the next 2 winters...brrrrrrrrrrr and with the better part of 9 months in the office in Anchorage doing planning for the project seemed like a great opportunity to see Alaska. Plus it's a good opportunity career wise as well.

Good idea on the fuel pump and damp rid in the intake. If I was in a dry climate I'd just pinch the fuel line, run 'er out of gas and call it good, but Seattle is FAR from that.
Crap I got a buncha work to do to the boat still.

Yeah, like I believe the location you show. Right. :D

You don't want to pinch the fuel lines- the jacket is orange fiberglass, but inside, it has stainless braid and Teflon. OTOH, you could always separate the lines from the fuel rail and pump, blow any gas out and reconnect them. As long as you can purge the pump and fuel rail, you should be fine. The hard lines are stainless.