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Flamethewolf
02-24-2013, 03:16 PM
Hey guys, new to the forum, but been a MC owner since 2007. I'm moving on from my X-1 and pretty sold on the new X-30. Need more space, better ride in rough water, etc..

Here are my questions for you X-30 owners...

Do you recommend surf tabs? We will add ballast to the factory settings, and generally my wife and I have 6-8 passengers, but sometimes it's just me and her and we really want a great surf wake...

Is the black or dark grey new vinyl hot? We live in TX and it gets well over 100 most days we are out.. i was leaning towards the lighter grey

Any strong opinions on the 6.0 or 6.2 motor for the X-30? $3,000 difference from my dealer.. Over the years, even with the MCX on the X-1.. with lots of weight in the boat it took a while to get on plane.. I don't want to ever have that issue with this boat, but also don't want to waste money if I won't notice the difference..

thanks!!

Flamethewolf
02-24-2013, 03:19 PM
Oh, btw, what do you think I should ask for my 2007 X-1?

It has 350 hours.. is in immaculate condition (garage kept).. options include:
- stainless steel rub rail
- MCX engine
- 4 tower speakers (2 with lights)
- perfect pass
- matching trailer spare
- transom remote
- custom JL 10 W6 with 1,000 Watt JL Amp
- Perfect Pass
- Bimini Top
- Bow Filler Cushion
- 750 sacks plumbed in each locker, KGB, an integrated bow sac in the front 2100 lbs ballast

thanks!

snork
02-24-2013, 03:35 PM
Good look'n X1
The real question is,
What will you be willing to accept for your boat?
Do you have plans on trading her in on your new X30?
Whens your new ride delivery expected?

Flamethewolf
02-24-2013, 04:17 PM
New boat will come in mid April, so I have 6 weeks, and it isn't part of the deal so it's not necessarily urgent.. I was thinking of asking 37k and seeing if I get any bites over the next month..

KahunaCraft
02-24-2013, 04:40 PM
Search this forum on the interiors, from memory, there are arguments on both sides. I think the Texas aspect of your decision would be better served with a lighter interior.

There are a lot of comparison threads on the 6.0 vs 6.2... At that price delta you're getting closer to the longer term gas savings biz case. I spoke directly to Ilmor last month and there is very little difference in torque output up to about 4000 RPM (closer to 4250) between them. Specifically the variable valve timing bridges the gap.

Resale, I think the 6.2 will be desired for fuel economy and more power by the numbers.

HartlandX1
02-24-2013, 04:59 PM
35k on the x1
Just saw the 37k
Good asking price

KahunaCraft
02-24-2013, 05:13 PM
On the surf tabs, my opinion is based on talking to several people and not based on using them.

They will do more than help shape the wake. There is an auto level feature that would make cruising with an unbalanced boat easier and I hear that in rough water they are helpful to list the boat with no ballast. If you are picking between them and the 6.2, they will be easy to add after the fact, unlike the 6.2...

Specter
02-24-2013, 09:04 PM
You don't need surf tabs on the X-30, at least I don't on mine. And yes, avoid dark interior unless you're a fan of putting a towel down first to sit down.

AZX45OD
02-24-2013, 10:43 PM
After having surf tabs on my '12 X45, I decided that they really have little use. I opted to leave them off of my '13 X30 and have not regretted it. I opted for the 6.0L because that is what I had in my X45 and it had PLENTY of power even at altitude (Lake Powell). The X30 has a much lighter feel on the water (less drag) than my X45, so I am sure the 6.0L will be more than adequate. That said, I really coveted the 6.2L when I was doing my build, but just couldn't justify the expense.

Ole Miss Rebels
02-25-2013, 01:55 AM
$3000 doesn't seem like much of an adder when you consider the peace of mind in knowing that you will never have a power problem. If the fuel economy is the issue you can prop the boat up slightly to improve your fuel consumption. I would definitely get the bigger engine for only $3000 difference.

Aric'sX15
02-25-2013, 03:07 AM
Are you buying from Texas Mastercraft?

Scott
02-25-2013, 05:15 AM
when i ordered my 30, they came back annd said they werent goin to put tabs on it, adding there wasnt enough benefit, to them. ended up with heater instead. love my 6.2. if you can, get it and dont look back..jmo:D

pap
02-25-2013, 11:29 AM
If you're getting the 6.2 for a $3000 upcharge then I just got robbed.

AZX45OD
02-25-2013, 01:21 PM
I agree with what is being said. I was told that the 6.2 was a 5-6K upgrade over the 6.0. For 3K I would do it. Not because the 6.0 is not plenty, but just wanting to go with the newer, sexy technology.

bcd
02-25-2013, 01:44 PM
I got some black in my boat, but I live in Iowa. It doesn't get as hot as other black upholstery (I side by side compared it to a new Malibu), but it still gets hot. If I lived in TX, I would not get it on my boat.

Did you get a quote for trade in on your X1. If TX is like IA, you won't get taxed on the trade in value. I got a pretty good trade in value when I bought. I would have needed to sell it privately for 5% more to offset the sales tax difference. I might have been able to get slightly more than the 5% difference, but it was nice to not have to worry about selling it too quickly and going w/o a boat until the new one arrived.

FourFourty
02-25-2013, 02:06 PM
I agree with what is being said. I was told that the 6.2 was a 5-6K upgrade over the 6.0. For 3K I would do it. Not because the 6.0 is not plenty, but just wanting to go with the newer, sexy technology.

It is funny. We have been over this before. When I was quoted for my 2012, it was a $3400.00 difference in real dollars..... I think the MSRP difference was $4500 or $4700ish. (About 7k more than the 5.7l) I can't remember exactly. And then, some of the guys who were ordering 13s, said it was a $6k difference!! For 6k, I would have ordered my '12 with a 6.0l. Being as it was $3400, I went with the 6.2l. Although, who knows, I ordered a 7.4l in my new boat, and certainly didn't need it. That motor is 10k over the 5.7 in real dollars. I think the MSRP over the 5.7 was 14k :eek:

The new star is pretty heavy, and I didn't want to go backwards on lbs/hp. Probably a waste of money though.

I agree with what is being said. I was told that the 6.2 was a 5-6K upgrade over the 6.0. For 3K I would do it. Not because the 6.0 is not plenty, but just wanting to go with the newer, sexy technology.

From a towboat standpoint, the 6.0 will rip you out of the water just as well. You will simply lose 7-10MPH on the top end, is all. An X30 with a 6.2l will likely do 50mph, and probably 42-43mph with a 6.0l. Most inboard owners wouldn't care about that at all. The fuel mileage is nice in the 6.2l..... But you are right. 6k is not worth it.

Flamethewolf
02-25-2013, 11:37 PM
I went back and reviewed what I'm being quoted and it's actually $3,500 more.. I know my dealer is trying to retain my business so I feel like I'm getting a pretty good deal. Got caught up in the whole cash rewards debacle, and had my fair share of service issues, so I've priced out a Nautique 230 and given MasterCraft the chance to earn back my business with a great deal.

I will definitely do an "in and out" when I sell my X-1... definitely want to save 6.25% and dealership will give me 30 days to get that done while my boat is on order..

I'll stay away from back.. probably will do grey's and white interior..

still not sure on the surf tabs!

thx for all the replies!

Aric'sX15
02-25-2013, 11:59 PM
I went back and reviewed what I'm being quoted and it's actually $3,500 more.. I know my dealer is trying to retain my business so I feel like I'm getting a pretty good deal. Got caught up in the whole cash rewards debacle, and had my fair share of service issues, so I've priced out a Nautique 230 and given MasterCraft the chance to earn back my business with a great deal.

I will definitely do an "in and out" when I sell my X-1... definitely want to save 6.25% and dealership will give me 30 days to get that done while my boat is on order..

I'll stay away from back.. probably will do grey's and white interior..

still not sure on the surf tabs!

thx for all the replies!

I rode a 230 in one of my colligate wake tournaments. Worst stock ballast wake I've ever ridden. Im no pro, but when i loaded the line, it would roll and the wake would wash out like crazy. Don't like the crazy graphics either. Id take an x1 over a 230 any day of the week, and twice on sunday. If you are ordering from tx mc, I almost took that x-30 build date for mid april! cant sell our dang house though. Good luck with your decision!

Kimper
02-26-2013, 10:27 AM
Where are you in Texas? I just ordered an X30 through a great guy who my boat buying has followed from San Marcus to Austin. Are you primarily surfing or wake boarding?
Either way you do not need the surf tabs, but you do want the attitude adjustment plate. I am a huge surf nut, and have been behind tons of boats surfing. You will love the surf wake!
In my opinion there is really no reason to pay for the bigger engine. I test drove the x30 with the base engine and Acme prop and it had tons of power.
You also may want to carefully evaluate your stereo options for just a little bit more money you can get Hydrotunes to put a much better sounding system in. Essentially you order the boat with no tower speakers but with the sub. They will throw in a couple of amps, Wetsounds tower speakers and another sub for only about 3k more than you would have payed for the metal tower cans.

kskonn
02-26-2013, 12:39 PM
I went back and reviewed what I'm being quoted and it's actually $3,500 more.. I know my dealer is trying to retain my business so I feel like I'm getting a pretty good deal. Got caught up in the whole cash rewards debacle, and had my fair share of service issues, so I've priced out a Nautique 230 and given MasterCraft the chance to earn back my business with a great deal.

I will definitely do an "in and out" when I sell my X-1... definitely want to save 6.25% and dealership will give me 30 days to get that done while my boat is on order..

I'll stay away from back.. probably will do grey's and white interior..

still not sure on the surf tabs!

thx for all the replies!

Out of curiousity where you the guy up at Ski Ranch on Saturday looking at the 30 and trying to decide on interior color schemes? I believe you had built a 30 that had the same color scheme as the X10 on the floor? If so small world, i was the guy running around waiting for some work to be done on my wakeboard, I had my son who was a little 22 month old blond kid that kep wanting to get in all the boats.

Flamethewolf
02-27-2013, 01:12 AM
Yes, that was me! Small world, indeed.

Thx for all the feedback everyone!

Kimper
04-04-2013, 04:21 PM
What'd you end up ordering?

2012X45
04-04-2013, 07:50 PM
It is funny. We have been over this before. When I was quoted for my 2012, it was a $3400.00 difference in real dollars..... I think the MSRP difference was $4500 or $4700ish. (About 7k more than the 5.7l) I can't remember exactly. And then, some of the guys who were ordering 13s, said it was a $6k difference!! For 6k, I would have ordered my '12 with a 6.0l. Being as it was $3400, I went with the 6.2l. Although, who knows, I ordered a 7.4l in my new boat, and certainly didn't need it. That motor is 10k over the 5.7 in real dollars. I think the MSRP over the 5.7 was 14k :eek:

The new star is pretty heavy, and I didn't want to go backwards on lbs/hp. Probably a waste of money though.



From a towboat standpoint, the 6.0 will rip you out of the water just as well. You will simply lose 7-10MPH on the top end, is all. An X30 with a 6.2l will likely do 50mph, and probably 42-43mph with a 6.0l. Most inboard owners wouldn't care about that at all. The fuel mileage is nice in the 6.2l..... But you are right. 6k is not worth it.

The option sheet on my 2012 X45 showed the 7.4L as a $20k option.

Astepatatime
04-04-2013, 08:04 PM
The option sheet on my 2012 X45 showed the 7.4L as a $20k option.

I know they're talking 6.0 to 6.2. Your quote mentioned the 7.4L. Just for reference, I ordered the 7.4L two weeks ago on a new boat and the MSRP was $15,990

Mastercraft13
04-04-2013, 09:01 PM
I got my X 10 without the surf tabs (x30 just a little shorter) I test drove the x 30 at the end of last summer without surf tabs and it did just fine. In my opinion not worth the 3k, since we are in Ohio I went with the heater and shower instead.

fatthmjr
04-04-2013, 10:46 PM
Flamethewolf... I'm looking for an x1... We've outgrown our 190... 3 boys getting bigger by the day.. I'd love to talk..pm me

FourFourty
04-05-2013, 09:02 AM
The option sheet on my 2012 X45 showed the 7.4L as a $20k option.

I know they're talking 6.0 to 6.2. Your quote mentioned the 7.4L. Just for reference, I ordered the 7.4L two weeks ago on a new boat and the MSRP was $15,990

One thing, that I didn't consider when I stated that, is I don't think you can get the 5.7l in an Xstar....... So the 14k, was probably the option price over the 6.0l.