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shepherd
02-20-2013, 07:26 PM
Any DoD or other government employees out there? I hope you can afford a temporary 20% pay cut. And the effects will probably be spread throughout the economy.

I blame Republicans as much as Democrats. The single most important part of their job and they can't even get that right. :rant:

milkmania
02-20-2013, 07:31 PM
wow, 20% pay cut? some of them might not feel the impact immediately, but over time everyone will feel the impact... people will start dipping into their savings, renewing CD's for shorter terms, etc
sure hate to hear it :(

shepherd
02-20-2013, 07:35 PM
Meant to post this article link in original thread, message from my "boss": http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-notifies-civilian-employees-of-impending-furloughs-barring-budget-deal/2013/02/20/d0ce836e-7b73-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_story.html?hpid=z1

Yeah, wife and I already started cutting back on spending - especially on dining out at restaurants. No big deal for us, we can get by fairly easily, but I feel sorry for the folks on the lower end of the pay scales.

joey414
02-20-2013, 07:37 PM
Not directly affected by that but I do work for a ship building company that has projects thats being put on the back burner due to all the things going on. Hopefully we don't have any lay offs.

shepherd
02-20-2013, 07:37 PM
Oh yeah, and Congress is out on vacation this week. :mad:

-V-
02-20-2013, 08:32 PM
I received the lowest pay raises this past Jan since I have been in the Military. I will say that Yes, I seen it coming. The amount of waste and abuse that has flooded the service over the past ten years is amazing. Anyone that has been to Iraq can vouch for this. Do you know how many Vehicles (Tahoes, Suburbans, F-150's) we lease? Not to mention every connex (Metal Container) we rent per month? There are several ways to save money in the goverment but as I have been watching the news lately, it seems like we are in for a big cut in our budget. I am in charge of the biggest Medical Maintenance Shop in the Department of Defense and I can say that it has become just plain silly to the point of having to get a General Officer's approval to purchase a pen.


:noface:

thatsmrmastercraft
02-20-2013, 08:34 PM
Oh yeah, and Congress is out on vacation this week. :mad:

How is that different from the other 51 weeks?:rolleyes:

1redTA
02-20-2013, 08:44 PM
even as an "mission essential" DOD employee I am a worried guy. I pray the goons in DC don't hang me out to dry for a little while

mikeg205
02-20-2013, 09:03 PM
The biggest irony is that these folks are supposed to be the smartest people in the land... bad news is we picked them... grrrr... (well MC owners) but the general population... grrrr

GoneBoatN
02-20-2013, 09:09 PM
Any DoD or other government employees out there? I hope you can afford a temporary 20% pay cut. And the effects will probably be spread throughout the economy.

I blame Republicans as much as Democrats. The single most important part of their job and they can't even get that right. :rant:

I tend to be conservative but yes, they are all a bunch of bums. If I said what I wanted to say my post would have to be censored.

The biggest irony is that these folks are supposed to be the smartest people in the land... bad news is we picked them... grrrr... (well MC owners) but the general population... grrrr

Oh, they are pretty smart, when it comes to being self serving. When it comes to doing the right thing, they don't mind screwing the people they are serving.

GoneBoatN
02-20-2013, 09:15 PM
So next time at the polls, remember to vote ALL the bums out.

-V-
02-20-2013, 09:41 PM
they need to put term limits on politicians. They also need to not give politicians a life long paycheck for serving as little as 2 years.

1redTA
02-20-2013, 09:50 PM
they need to put term limits on politicians. They also need to not give politicians a life long paycheck for serving as little as 2 years.

I don't think I have ever heard how much that budget accounts for

milkmania
02-20-2013, 09:51 PM
So next time at the polls, remember to vote ALL the bums out.

I TRIED!!!!!
that damned electoral college screwed me over! they announced the president before all the precincts were even counted:mad:

milkmania
02-20-2013, 09:55 PM
the angry smiley kinda lost its effectiveness didn't it? http://deephousepage.com/smilies/rofl5.gif

milkmania
02-20-2013, 09:59 PM
Click his picture, read his story:mad:


http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/E9oFWX4dXfhAS3bYR4Gvgg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9MzYwO2NyPTE7Y3c9NjQwO2R4PTA7ZH k9MDtmaT11bGNyb3A7aD0zNTU7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/gma/us.abcnews.go.com/gty_pete_domenici_mi_130220_wmain.jpg (http://news.yahoo.com/former-senator-admits-fathering-child-other-senators-daughter-200530146--abc-news-politics.html)

kinda off topic, sorry:(

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Skipper
02-20-2013, 10:13 PM
Screw those bastards on Capital Hill and that communist turd that is squatting in the White House! This is just another emergency created by these jerk offs so they can point fingers at each other and make themselves sound like they actually give a**** about the public. They don't! Obviously voting doesn't help since ACORN and other criminal organizations wreck the process. Those who voted for other candidates that didn't have a chance and wrote in Chuck Norris didn't help either because they could have voted for Romney not simply against osama bin president. Our nation is screwed. We should screw politicians back!

JimN
02-20-2013, 11:00 PM
even as an "mission essential" DOD employee I am a worried guy. I pray the goons in DC don't hang me out to dry for a little while

CENTCOM?

-V-
02-20-2013, 11:32 PM
MEDCOM/FORSCOM here.

get_sum
02-21-2013, 05:48 AM
-V-, it doesn't look good here as well. I'm Navy flying in the E-6B working for STRATCOM (doomsday type plane). Our flight hours won't take a significant hit, but our maintenance, vital schools for our sailors, and other TAD/TDY stuff is taking a big hit.

1redTA
02-21-2013, 07:27 AM
CENTCOM?

I'm a navy civilian fire fighter at Pensacola NAS, the cradle of Naval Aviation. We have whiting field which registers more takeoffs and landings per year than just about any where else and of course the Blue Angels.

pmkkdx
02-21-2013, 09:33 AM
I can relate as I work in the DoD electronics private sector (designing cool things to protect our troops). The big wigs within our company are definately concerned which flows all the way down to each level eventually to the worker bees. I have written letters to all my reps, senators & the President to take necessary action ... along with about 20k co-workers across the USA. It's definately scarey times in this industry and has been for several years.

I agree, pull the plug on salaries of elected officials or chop them drastically and force them to use the same health care standards and benefits all of us working class people have... they would change their tune I would bet!

JimN
02-21-2013, 10:06 AM
The Idiots In Charge want to be seen as "doing good things for our country", but NEVER seem to be able to see all of the ripples from what they do. They look at the budget and see that they can cut spending but forget about everything the now-closed facilities use, the people who are now out of work and won't be buying as much food, clothing, cars, entertainment, vacations or anything else. The affected retailers will have to cut their costs, the distributors will have to make changes, the manufacturers, their suppliers, farms, co-ops, farm implement suppliers, etc will all be affected.

I'd like to see the ripples from someone tapping one of those pinheads in the forehead with a ball peen hammer.

h2oskifreak
02-21-2013, 10:51 AM
Obama is the one who "pushed" this situation beyond the election (for obvious reasons) and now he wants to shed the blame at this time. This guy is so "teflon" and I don't get it, any other pres. would be called on his crap. This guy just continues to spend us into oblivion and nobody will put the balme squarely where it belongs.

JimN
02-21-2013, 11:30 AM
Obama is the one who "pushed" this situation beyond the election (for obvious reasons) and now he wants to shed the blame at this time. This guy is so "teflon" and I don't get it, any other pres. would be called on his crap. This guy just continues to spend us into oblivion and nobody will put the balme squarely where it belongs.

You forgot about Slick Willy, didn't you?

shepherd
02-21-2013, 11:46 AM
I'm a navy civilian fire fighter at Pensacola NAS, the cradle of Naval Aviation. We have whiting field which registers more takeoffs and landings per year than just about any where else and of course the Blue Angels.

“These employees aren’t some fat cat bureaucrats in a plush Washington office,” he said. “They are the firefighters who safeguard our bases, the health-care professionals who treat injured soldiers in military hospitals, the mechanics who repair our tanks and planes, the logistics personnel who ensure supplies make it to our troops, the acquisition experts who prevent big defense contractors from ripping off taxpayers.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/budget-cuts-could-result-in-up-to-20-percent-pay-cut-for-federal-workers/2013/02/20/0595a64e-7b93-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_story.html?hpid=z2

Mission essential personnel -- fire fighters, gate guards, etc. -- will probably stay on the job.

GoneBoatN
02-21-2013, 12:06 PM
“These employees aren’t some fat cat bureaucrats in a plush Washington office,” he said. “They are the firefighters who safeguard our bases, the health-care professionals who treat injured soldiers in military hospitals, the mechanics who repair our tanks and planes, the logistics personnel who ensure supplies make it to our troops, the acquisition experts who prevent big defense contractors from ripping off taxpayers.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/budget-cuts-could-result-in-up-to-20-percent-pay-cut-for-federal-workers/2013/02/20/0595a64e-7b93-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_story.html?hpid=z2

I'm sorry, but that part there is kind of funny. There will always be the good, the bad and the ugly. However I always seem to run into my share of the ugly when dealing with procurement folks inside the various government agencies.

milkmania
02-21-2013, 02:36 PM
They're pulling the 188th Air National Guard A-10 Warthog unit out of Fort Smith, Arkansas soon and replacing it with a drone unit.... The whole area is raising hell over this. They're worried about how it will impact our economy.... I think it can rebound because the Drone Unit will need support personnel just like the A-10 Unit.

Current status

In early 2012 the Air Force planned to realign the 188th Fighter Wing and replace its 20 A-10 aircraft, converting the 184th FS to operate the General Atomics MQ-1 Predator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-1_Predator) unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). Currently the A-10 aircraft are slated for removal pending the NDAA not yet signed by President Obama.


Fort Smith, AR 188th. Air National Guard Aircraft 1962 to present




RF-84F Thunderstreak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RF-84F_Thunderstreak#Thunderflash), 1962-1970
RF-101C Voodoo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RF-101C_Voodo), 1970-1972
F-100D/F Super Sabre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-100D/F_Super_Sabre), 1972-1979
F-4C Phantom II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-4C_Phantom_II), 1979-1988
Block 15 F-16A/B Fighting Falcon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_15_F-16A/B_Fighting_Falcon), 1988-2001
Block 32 F-16C Fighting Falcon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_32_F-16C_Fighting_Falcon), 2001-2007
A-10 Thunderbolt II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II), 2007-Present

rjracin240
02-22-2013, 01:23 PM
Sub-Contractor for ship repair to the Defense Department, our shipyard is starting to look like a ghost town. All of us have received our WARN letters (letters telling us mass lay-off's are coming). Lots of maintenance/repairs will be left undone on our vessels, with so much conflict in the world at present time; this country is becoming more and more vulnerable.
Sent out emails to my local Federal politicians regarding Sequesration, received two back one from Yoho and one from Rubio......rubio came across as a complete clown writing back to me thanking me for my concern of Veteran care.
Spent a number of years in the Coast Guard flying as a crewmember doing search & rescue, when a storm was brewing there was a feeling of tension and excitement about going out there and saving lives........all I see on the news now is that there definitely a storm coming, however thinking this storm is leaving everyone with a feeling of helplessness and not being able to go out there and save those lives!

milkmania
02-22-2013, 01:47 PM
Sub-Contractor for ship repair to the Defense Department, our shipyard is starting to look like a ghost town. All of us have received our WARN letters (letters telling us mass lay-off's are coming). Lots of maintenance/repairs will be left undone on our vessels, with so much conflict in the world at present time; this country is becoming more and more vulnerable.
Sent out emails to my local Federal politicians regarding Sequesration, received two back one from Yoho and one from Rubio......rubio came across as a complete clown writing back to me thanking me for my concern of Veteran care.
Spent a number of years in the Coast Guard flying as a crewmember doing search & rescue, when a storm was brewing there was a feeling of tension and excitement about going out there and saving lives........all I see on the news now is that there definitely a storm coming, however thinking this storm is leaving everyone with a feeling of helplessness and not being able to go out there and save those lives!

as I was reading that... I was thinking.... what fear did they put in us last month?
Oh yeah, it was the "Fiscal Cliff" fear:mad:
So, what's it gonna be next month?

TayMC197
02-22-2013, 01:58 PM
I'm a Lockheed employee and I know we are going to feel the effects. We have a few things in mind as a backup plan. It will help a little but we still are going to see a lot of layoffs.

milkmania
02-22-2013, 02:49 PM
I'm a Lockheed employee and I know we are going to feel the effects. We have a few things in mind as a backup plan. It will help a little but we still are going to see a lot of layoffs.
are you a direct employee through Lockheed or a contracted employee?
If you're contracted... I may have a contingency plan for you;)

1redTA
02-22-2013, 04:12 PM
Politicians need to get what's needed done for the country, not political interest.

milkmania
02-22-2013, 05:01 PM
Politicians need to get what's needed done for the country, not political interest.
I think it's been a problem for quite a while:(
http://www.estatevaults.com/lm/Grimbsy%20tombstone%201.jpghttp://www.estatevaults.com/lm/_Grimsby_tombstone_2.jpg


the rest of the story
http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/grigsby.asp

TayMC197
02-22-2013, 05:06 PM
are you a direct employee through Lockheed or a contracted employee?
If you're contracted... I may have a contingency plan for you;)

Direct

captain planet
02-22-2013, 05:31 PM
They're pulling the 188th Air National Guard A-10 Warthog unit out of Fort Smith, Arkansas soon and replacing it with a drone unit.... The whole area is raising hell over this. They're worried about how it will impact our economy.... I think it can rebound because the Drone Unit will need support personnel just like the A-10 Unit.



Fort Smith, AR 188th. Air National Guard Aircraft 1962 to present




RF-84F Thunderstreak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RF-84F_Thunderstreak#Thunderflash), 1962-1970
RF-101C Voodoo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RF-101C_Voodo), 1970-1972
F-100D/F Super Sabre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-100D/F_Super_Sabre), 1972-1979
F-4C Phantom II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-4C_Phantom_II), 1979-1988
Block 15 F-16A/B Fighting Falcon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_15_F-16A/B_Fighting_Falcon), 1988-2001
Block 32 F-16C Fighting Falcon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_32_F-16C_Fighting_Falcon), 2001-2007
A-10 Thunderbolt II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II), 2007-Present


That is great, now we know where the planes that will be spying on us will be landing and taking off. :rolleyes:

I have been saying it for at least 8 years now, these bums don't legislate for the people anymore, they legislate for their corporate interests, period. We aren't even considered anymore when they vote on bills, just how it will effect the corporation that funded their election campaign.

George's thoughts on this topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbb1XdV6Fbw

TayMC197
02-22-2013, 08:06 PM
That is great, now we know where the planes that will be spying on us will be landing and taking off. :rolleyes:

I have been saying it for at least 8 years now, these bums don't legislate for the people anymore, they legislate for their corporate interests, period. We aren't even considered anymore when they vote on bills, just how it will effect the corporation that funded their election campaign.

George's thoughts on this topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbb1XdV6Fbw

Not to scare you but the drone units crash all the time.. lol

I have crashed one as a trophy in my office.

-V-
02-22-2013, 09:29 PM
It's almost official. This is an e-mail that was sent out a to all in the MEDCOM a little after everyone went home.

Team Army Medicine,

On Wednesday, DoD provided Congress notification that, should furlough actions prove to be necessary, we will implement a 176 hour/22 discontinuous day furlough beginning in late April 2013. National unions were also notified. After careful consideration and discussions with the sequestration planning workgroup, I have directed the following action: "all civilian employees will participate in a furlough one day a week through the end of the current fiscal year".

Effective immediately, you will begin notifying local unions of the intent to implement the furlough. The decision to furlough is an inherent management right and non-negotiable; however, the implementation of furlough is subject to impact and implementation bargaining when a union submits a negotiable proposal, unless the issue of furlough is already covered in collective bargaining agreements. Senior Leaders are required to provide all civilian employees with individual 30-day advance written notification; however, bargaining unit employees may not be notified until union notification has occurred. Upon completion of union notification, you will begin notifying all employees in writing. I highly encourage you to engage and include the local CPAC Labor Relations Specialist in furlough discussions with unions.

Although Congress and National Unions were notified that furloughs would be begin in late April 2013, a firm effective date has not been established. You will receive additional guidance on a firm effective date through MEDCOM G1 channels, as well as additional labor relations guidance.

As we go through these trying times, we will do it together and with complete transparency. The DCOMM Team has set up a sequestration site on our Army Medicine webpage which will be updated as the situation develops. Moreover, I ask that each of you endeavor to keep the lines of communication open with our civilian employees, and for your continued support as we negotiate the requisite rigors of sequestration. Please know that our entire team is working this issue aggressively. Rest assured that the Army Medicine Family will weather this storm and continue to live out our motto - Serving to Heal...Honored to Serve.

Vr
pdh

Patricia D. Horoho
Lieutenant General, U.S. Army
The Surgeon General & CG, USAMEDCOM

shepherd
02-22-2013, 11:59 PM
I'm a Lockheed employee and I know we are going to feel the effects. We have a few things in mind as a backup plan. It will help a little but we still are going to see a lot of layoffs.

It will be interesting to see how contractors will be affected if and when government employees are furloughed. Basically, if there is already a contract in place, the money has already been obligated and contractors will get paid. But, options may not get exercised and future contracts may be harder to get.

I've already had a few government (DoD) employees ask me if they can go work for a contractor on days that they are furloughed.

GoneBoatN
02-23-2013, 10:52 AM
It will be interesting to see how contractors will be affected if and when government employees are furloughed. Basically, if there is already a contract in place, the money has already been obligated and contractors will get paid. But, options may not get exercised and future contracts may be harder to get.

I've already had a few government (DoD) employees ask me if they can go work for a contractor on days that they are furloughed.

Every government contract I have seen has a clause that gives the government the right to cancel without advanced notification and without any penalty to them. It's always been accepted as just part of doing business with the government. That clause exist for just this reason where funding is lost.

shepherd
02-23-2013, 12:31 PM
Every government contract I have seen has a clause that gives the government the right to cancel without advanced notification and without any penalty to them. It's always been accepted as just part of doing business with the government. That clause exist for just this reason where funding is lost.

It's called Termination for Convenience, and is in every government contract. But it's not without cost. The government would have to pay the contractor's expenses for winding down, as well as any costs for work done up to that date. Oh, and the cost of any supplies or raw materials that were already bought and not yet delivered or used to manufacture the ordered end products.

Normally - not always - it is in the government's best interests to keep the work going, especially in the case of big warfare system development contracts. Simple supply contracts... not so much.

Skipper
02-24-2013, 08:48 PM
I think it's been a problem for quite a while:(
http://www.estatevaults.com/lm/Grimbsy%20tombstone%201.jpghttp://www.estatevaults.com/lm/_Grimsby_tombstone_2.jpg


the rest of the story
http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/grigsby.asp

RECON!!!!!!!!

davidstan
02-25-2013, 11:46 AM
I have done some research on this budget cutting and everything i have found is that the cuts are 3% of the forward years budget expenses. In real numbers our national budget with all these cuts included will still slightly increase from 2012 thru 2013. The above has been verified over and over. I know the military is taking the brunt but for crying out loud cant they get some finance guys in there and implement some efficencies? The pentagon is famously wasteful ie 900.00 ball peen hammers and 14,000.00 toilets. Both wars are winding down so there has got to be some dividend there. Having said that the real waste is in the non-defense spending such as foreign aid and worthless headstart/midnight basketball programs. I think with us 16 trillion dollars in the hole we can withstand 3 cents on the dollar. And for those directly affected the media/DC Beltway and politicians are successfully scareing us all w/ more doom and gloom but this time it doesnt add up. Lets just do the math and see how 3% cuts to future increases in the budget can cause these 20% pay cuts. Dont make sense.

mikeg205
02-25-2013, 12:11 PM
I have done some research on this budget cutting and everything i have found is that the cuts are 3% of the forward years budget expenses. In real numbers our national budget with all these cuts included will still slightly increase from 2012 thru 2013. The above has been verified over and over. I know the military is taking the brunt but for crying out loud cant they get some finance guys in there and implement some efficencies? The pentagon is famously wasteful ie 900.00 ball peen hammers and 14,000.00 toilets. Both wars are winding down so there has got to be some dividend there. Having said that the real waste is in the non-defense spending such as foreign aid and worthless headstart/midnight basketball programs. I think with us 16 trillion dollars in the hole we can withstand 3 cents on the dollar. And for those directly affected the media/DC Beltway and politicians are successfully scareing us all w/ more doom and gloom but this time it doesnt add up. Lets just do the math and see how 3% cuts to future increases in the budget can cause these 20% pay cuts. Dont make sense.

the only flaw in assertion is that you are using logic... ;)

drschemel
02-25-2013, 12:18 PM
Of course, a 3% cut is pretty insignificant. The problem is it is 3% from every budget item across the board and not targeted towards programs that are inflated. But as far as any meaningful implications, we haven't had a budget since Obama has been president (an impeachable offense!) so cutting 3% off of a non-existant budget shouldn't affect very much. I expect a few high profile furloughs in areas of the goverment that interact directly with the public to cause disruption and pressure the Repubs to make a deal.

davidstan
02-25-2013, 12:39 PM
Of course, a 3% cut is pretty insignificant. The problem is it is 3% from every budget item across the board and not targeted towards programs that are inflated. But as far as any meaningful implications, we haven't had a budget since Obama has been president (an impeachable offense!) so cutting 3% off of a non-existant budget shouldn't affect very much. I expect a few high profile furloughs in areas of the goverment that interact directly with the public to cause disruption and pressure the Repubs to make a deal.

x2 for sure

mcparadise
02-25-2013, 07:39 PM
I will be losing 20% of my annual salary if DOD/US Navy 22-day mandatory furlough occurs for civilian employees.

Like some have said, all because the gutless Congress can't make a budget in over 4 years and this is the result.

I certainly don't want to take a loss like this, BUT if that's what the DC idiots need to do their jobs and make the tough choices, I'll break into some savings to make things work on my side, hoping for likewise on the politics side. They should ALL voluntarily ask for the same pain, as some are doing now. Those that don't....a big mistake I think.

Finally, because no agency wants this to happen, they are making the worst cuts to gain the most from the "sky is falling syndrome." In actuality, I think there is so much room for cuts, but all the brass need to realize they need to giveup some of their expensive toys soonest, especially those that everyone but them know is stupid to continue pursuing (LCS ship/F-35/Osprey V-22/on and on). As a former one of "them," with 30 years experience, I am embarassed.

And, I read an article that the Chief of Naval Operations should be fired for not sending a carrier fleet to the Middle East to support our troops. Hate to admit it, but I can't help but agree.

1redTA
02-26-2013, 07:54 PM
I was put on 10 day notice today and I am rated as a mission essential employee. The problem I have is that I work 144 hours every two weeks I'm not a 40 hour employee. so I stand to lose more than 20%.

shepherd
02-26-2013, 08:16 PM
I thought "mission essential" employees wouldn't be furloughed :confused:

1redTA
02-26-2013, 08:41 PM
I don't know? I work at the station with the Union Rep and he said we were on the chopping block too:-(

bobx1
02-26-2013, 09:39 PM
.....In real numbers our national budget with all these cuts included will still slightly increase from 2012 thru 2013.....

This is my understanding as well. The government will spend 3 percent MORE this year than last and over 10 percent MORE than they did in 2009. So all if a sudden we are spending MORE than last year and now people are being threatened with lay offs and loss of critical services:confused::confused:

GoneBoatN
02-26-2013, 11:17 PM
So the financial people in my company who examined Sequestration thought that it might not be such a bad deal for the DoD because if they (congress) revise the budget and look for cuts, that most likely DoD would take quite a bit more of a reduction in their budget than via sequestration.

IMO I think that each government agency should easily be able to find the 3% reduction and in reality a whole lot more for some of the larger agencies. I don't know about you all, but as the head of a household I myself have been faced with more than that over the last few years. I think we can expect the same of the government. Hopefully we get past the "sky is falling" routine and we find that reducing government spending is not only possible but also beneficial.

pmkkdx
02-27-2013, 10:18 AM
if you would like a simple way to contact your elected officials and voice concerns ...

http://secondtonone.org/

shepherd
02-27-2013, 10:24 AM
3% across the board should be easy. But many big dollar programs are exempt from the cuts (Medicaid, social security, VA, military pay I think) so others have to take a bigger hit to make up the difference. I guess that's why DoD civilians are taking a temporary 20% pay cut - to make up for areas not being cut.

JimN
02-27-2013, 10:44 AM
3% across the board should be easy. But many big dollar programs are exempt from the cuts (Medicaid, social security, VA, military pay I think) so others have to take a bigger hit to make up the difference. I guess that's why DoD civilians are taking a temporary 20% pay cut - to make up for areas not being cut.

3% of the military's budget shouldn't be hard to do. The problem is that they want to keep from having to end their pet projects, so wage cuts are the quick way to chop costs. I suppose it's better than killing projects that employ hundreds of thousands of people, though. They're forcing people to share a burden, but they're immune to it.

Maybe if some of the security forces from the DOD lose their jobs, they can keep track of the illegals that have been released by DHS

http://news.yahoo.com/dhs-releasing-illegal-immigrants-sequester-135405822.html

mikeg205
02-27-2013, 10:47 AM
Had to turn the radio on this morning's commute - the nimrods in D.C. simply don't get it... and it almost took over the edge this morning.. so sick of those guys... watch - we won't go over and 2-3 weeks after the agreement - so data point will come out showing how the great BO saved the world again...:mad::mad:

02ProstarSammyD
02-27-2013, 11:05 AM
Funny thing is they are cutting $ yet I still have 3 new VA's in NC alone being bid on my desk and a new medical center at lejune. Odd

The gov't is the most wasteful with building projects I have ever seen. I could VE every project they do 25% easy

gid
02-27-2013, 12:34 PM
Funny thing is they are cutting $ yet I still have 3 new VA's in NC alone being bid on my desk and a new medical center at lejune. Odd

The gov't is the most wasteful with building projects I have ever seen. I could VE every project they do 25% easy

You should deal with FEMA if you want to see waste and stupidity.

Our house that DID flood (in May 2010) we (after close to a year) finally got FEMA to correct our premiums from $2100 to $780

On our other house (also on a river) that did NOT flood - we have a letter from FEMA saying we dont need flood insurance. We found out the other day (as our Mortgage is going up) that FEMA has billed us $1088 last year and increased the fee to $1350 this year. Yet FEMA says we dont need flood insurance

A house that did flood is cheaper than a house that didnt.

shepherd
02-27-2013, 01:12 PM
Maybe if some of the security forces from the DOD lose their jobs, they can keep track of the illegals that have been released by DHS


Yeah, but nobody will be willing to pay them. :rolleyes:

rjracin240
02-27-2013, 01:19 PM
So the financial people in my company who examined Sequestration thought that it might not be such a bad deal for the DoD because if they (congress) revise the budget and look for cuts, that most likely DoD would take quite a bit more of a reduction in their budget than via sequestration.

IMO I think that each government agency should easily be able to find the 3% reduction and in reality a whole lot more for some of the larger agencies. I don't know about you all, but as the head of a household I myself have been faced with more than that over the last few years. I think we can expect the same of the government. Hopefully we get past the "sky is falling" routine and we find that reducing government spending is not only possible but also beneficial.

Beginning of the year all of us got the tax increase that affected our budgets causing us to rebudget, guess we all must have been smarter than our government since we all managed

milkmania
03-01-2013, 12:37 AM
Sequester would end flyovers at sports events (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2013/02/gannett-sequester-would-mean-end-to-flyovers-at-sporting-events-022813/)

The Hype: Say goodbye to flyovers (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nbc-yahoo-sports/hype-goodbye-flyovers-224611444.html)

mikeg205
03-01-2013, 09:27 AM
the sequester is falling....the sequester is falling.....

they are all morons...

JimN
03-01-2013, 09:54 AM
the sequester is falling....the sequester is falling.....

they are all morons...

Except for the ones who are Weapons-grade A-holes.

mikeg205
03-01-2013, 10:28 AM
Except for the ones who are Weapons-grade A-holes.

outstanding comment!:D

1redTA
03-01-2013, 10:56 AM
the sequester is falling....the sequester is falling.....

they are all morons...

I approve this message! :-)

2RLAKE
03-02-2013, 09:12 AM
well, the idiot president we have signed the order to start spending cuts ... this will all be OK at the end because hopefully now our congress will align the spend with the tax and stop the massive increase of our national debt ... one can only hope they examine our wasteful spend and cut appropriately .. just as any good company would do to be fiscally responsible.

ahhudgins
03-02-2013, 11:31 AM
well, the idiot president we have signed the order to start spending cuts ... this will all be OK at the end because hopefully now our congress will align the spend with the tax and stop the massive increase of our national debt ... one can only hope they examine our wasteful spend and cut appropriately .. just as any good company would do to be fiscally responsible.

I honestly donít think that things will ever change in DC, at least not in my lifetime. We are right in the middle of the sequestration debate that involves cutting the pay of US citizens, and we turn around and pledge 50-60 million to the Syrian rebels. Our government sends Billions of our tax dollars overseas every year to prop up other economies, and then complains when US companies move overseas to avoid our high tax rates. Dumb and Dumber.

Make sure you are P.C. Tax and spend are now referred to as "raising revenues" and "investments". Makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over.:rolleyes:

GoneBoatN
03-02-2013, 11:59 AM
From the OMB yesterday:

EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET WASHINGTON, D. C . 20503 March 1, 2013 The Honorable John A. Boehner Speaker ofthe House of Representatives Washington, D.C. 20515 Dear Mr. Speaker: Enclosed please find the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Report to the Congress on the sequestration for fiscal year (FY) 2013 required by section 251A of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act, as amended (the "Joint Committee sequestration"). This report provides calculations of the amounts and percentages by which various budgetary resources are required to be reduced, and a listing of the reductions required for each non-exempt budget account. In August 2011, as part of the Budget Control Act of2011 (BCA), bipartisan majorities in both the House of Representatives and Senate voted for sequestration as a mechanism to compel the Congress to act on deficit reduction. The threat of destructive across-the-board cuts under the BCA was intended to drive both sides to compromise. Yet, a year and a halfhas passed, and the Congress still has failed to enact balanced deficit reduction legislation that avoids sequestration. As a result of the Congress's failure to act, the law requires the President to issue a sequestration order today canceling $85 billion in budgetary resources across the Federal Government for FY 2013. Specifically, OMB calculates that, over the course ofthe fiscal year, the sequestration requires a 7.8 percent reduction in non-exempt defense discretionary funding and a 5.0 percent reduction in non-exempt nondefense discretionary funding. The sequestration also requires reductions of 2.0 percent to Medicare, 5.1 percent to other non-exempt nondefense mandatory programs, and 7.9 percent to non-exempt defense mandatory programs. Because these cuts must be achieved over only seven months instead of 12, the effective percentage reductions will be approximately 13 percent for non-exempt defense programs and 9 percent for non-exempt nondefense programs. The cuts required by sequestration will be deeply destructive to national security, domestic investments, and core Government functions. While the Department of Defense will shift funds where possible to minimize the impact on war-fighting capabilities and critical military readiness, sequestration will result in a reduction in readiness of many non-deployed units, delays in investments in new equipment, cutbacks in equipment repairs and needed facilities maintenance, disruptions in military research and development efforts, significant reductions in weapons programs, and furloughs of most civilian employees for a significant...

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/document-ombs-88322.html#ixzz2MOlzeohO

GoneBoatN
03-02-2013, 12:05 PM
If you think about it, quite smart of our elected officials to put Sequestration in place. This way they don't have to take any stand of budget cuts, sensible or not, which would result in the opposition casting stones at them. A bunch of self protectionist chicken ****s, the whole lot.

Footin
03-02-2013, 12:07 PM
I pulled everything out of the stock market that I could on Monday thinking this thing would tank the market. It has not yet but when it does I will go back in.

mikeg205
03-02-2013, 12:39 PM
Here's a good and short read....

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-viewpoint/022813-646187-paul-says-sequester-is-a-good-thing-not-armageddon.htm

Farmer Ted
03-04-2013, 10:24 PM
the real problem will be if organizations demonstrate they can withstand a 20% reduction in manning for the last two quarters of FY13 (should have been 10% over the year)

If they can still meet the mission with a 20% reduction, the bar for FY14 will be 20% for the entire year.

the word at my job is we'll all taking the same day to demonstrate there will be an impact to the mission, so the political whores in DC give us lemons, we're going wake boarding on three day weekends all summer long!

When all this furlough talks started, I was first in line to get royally screwed.

I work an irregular work schedule and can't accrue overtime or comp time until I reach 80 hours in a pay period. The bright idea was that all the folks on irregular work schedules could just work four 6 hour days and one 8 hour day a week. If I'm getting screwed out of a days pay, I'd prefer to the option of sleeping in if possible.

1redTA
03-05-2013, 02:04 PM
just learned to day that my fire dept will be taking 12 hours off in conjunction with our Kelly day

Skipper
03-09-2013, 02:52 PM
The military just suspended all college tuition assistance. Used to be up to $4,500 a year for Service Members in good standing who were enrolled in an undergraduate program. You know, make your Soldiers smarter and they will be better Soldiers. Not anymore!

I have always been a glass not even half full kinda guy. This is probably just the tip of the ice berg. Next will the a cut to Tricare benefits, despite the whole Osamacare mess. Then it will be retirement that gets the axe.

Time to buy a cabin in the woods in Montana. This country is about to implode at the hands of that socialist jack off.

1redTA
03-09-2013, 05:50 PM
another change, the new decision is first responders are exempt!!

GoneBoatN
03-09-2013, 10:22 PM
...Time to buy a cabin in the woods in Montana...

I've been ready to do that for a while now. However, I got a ways until the kids are out of the house at which point it becomes more feasible.

Theclarks1111
03-10-2013, 06:52 PM
The tuition assistance is a really big deal. It is really important for promotion now in the military to have civilian education. Over night it is gone...

Skipper
03-10-2013, 07:11 PM
Tip of the iceberg my friend. Tricare will soon follow. Then retirement. Soon we'll be just like the Afghan and Iraqi soldiers that weren't getting paid but were getting killed on a regular basis. Got one word for you son... R E V O L U T I O N

JimN
03-10-2013, 08:53 PM
Be careful of what you wish for. Using the R word could fall under their definition of 'sedition'.

My fear probably sounds like the rantings of a madman, but here goes- more of a "What if?", than anything else. I hope.

What if this is an attempt to make people see military service as an unattractive option, so people won't enlist? Enter Obama's Civilian Corp, which he said he wants to be as well-funded as our present military. To control us, which at present, is unconstitutional. When he rolls out the announcement that the Civilian Corps will be active, the 22nd Amendment will have been repealed and he can be in office for as long as people will vote for him. The easy way to make people accept the Civilian Security force is by explaining that it's NOT actually part of the US military. If it's not accepted, he can always declare Martial Law, which suspends the Constitution.

Martial Law-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

Civilian Security force- I wonder if he sees the irony in his comment about it being as well-funded as the current military.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

Of course, the possibility exists that this one was edited to show what the video's creator(s) want-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYx4NUMEdoA

byronic
03-10-2013, 09:10 PM
But of course they found enough money to buy each TSA agent $1,000.00 worth of new uniforms. And I beleive at least partialy Mexican made.

shepherd
03-11-2013, 03:55 PM
Got one word for you son... R E V O L U T I O N

Uh oh, there may be a drone flying your way. ;)

Skipper
03-11-2013, 07:46 PM
Ain't scared!

TayMC197
03-11-2013, 10:16 PM
Uh oh, there may be a drone flying your way. ;)

Drones crash all the time. Lol people act like they are so reliable. I have one as an ornament after it crashed. All the are, are just big RC planes with a 1 time use.

Skipper
03-12-2013, 08:51 AM
Wish we could say the same for that jerk off flying the white house.

1redTA
03-12-2013, 11:55 AM
Wish we could say the same for that jerk off flying the white house.

That post deserves a LIKE!

rjracin240
03-12-2013, 12:50 PM
Drones crash all the time. Lol people act like they are so reliable. I have one as an ornament after it crashed. All the are, are just big RC planes with a 1 time use.

Wish we could say the same for that jerk off flying the white house.

I would feel safe to say people who were supporters are starting to realize he is starting to crash & burn. Hopefully it will be sooner than later and we can see what he meant in his inaugartion speech when he said "the best is yet to come"

pmkkdx
03-12-2013, 12:53 PM
now that we are in the last term, lets just hope that all his supporters come to a true realization prior to 2016 ... I guess is Hillary will be in the running.

rjracin240
03-12-2013, 12:59 PM
Tip of the iceberg my friend. Tricare will soon follow. Then retirement. Soon we'll be just like the Afghan and Iraqi soldiers that weren't getting paid but were getting killed on a regular basis. Got one word for you son... R E V O L U T I O N

So wonder what these buffoons in washington would think if they went down to the car dealership and signed a contract on a new car...after they had it for a year the manufacturer came by and replaced the CD/radio with a AM radio, month later they came by replaced those fancy aluninum wheels with a set of steelies, week later they took out the A/C, etc.
Guess they would not be too impressed, same thing with the American people. They are constantly talking about changing our contracts concerning such things as retirement ages despite how long we have been paying into it, as well as our benefits that we earned when we served our country.
Hoping that the 60's and their shows of displeasure dont roll around again!

Skipper
03-12-2013, 04:08 PM
"Hoping that the 60's and their shows of displeasure dont roll around again!"

Excellent idea! Man I don't know why I didn't think of that, let's start a riot!

GoneBoatN
03-12-2013, 06:05 PM
"Hoping that the 60's and their shows of displeasure dont roll around again!"

Excellent idea! Man I don't know why I didn't think of that, let's start a riot!

Oh no! Are you going to join the Occupy Movement?

:D8p:D8p

Skipper
03-13-2013, 08:50 AM
Nope, just gonna throw rocks and flaming bottles of gasoline while dodging rubber bullets and tear gas cannisters. In fact, I'll probably throw those things at the occupy protesters. Start a fight and riot all at the same time.

GoneBoatN
03-13-2013, 12:59 PM
The military just suspended all college tuition assistance. Used to be up to $4,500 a year for Service Members in good standing who were enrolled in an undergraduate program. You know, make your Soldiers smarter and they will be better Soldiers. Not anymore!

I have always been a glass not even half full kinda guy. This is probably just the tip of the ice berg. Next will the a cut to Tricare benefits, despite the whole Osamacare mess. Then it will be retirement that gets the axe.

Time to buy a cabin in the woods in Montana. This country is about to implode at the hands of that socialist jack off.

The tuition assistance is a really big deal. It is really important for promotion now in the military to have civilian education. Over night it is gone...

Tip of the iceberg my friend. Tricare will soon follow. Then retirement. Soon we'll be just like the Afghan and Iraqi soldiers that weren't getting paid but were getting killed on a regular basis. Got one word for you son... R E V O L U T I O N

I've got a feeling that the military and government workers as a whole (Fed & State current, local most likely not far down the road) will need to get use to reduced benefits. If you look at what has happened in the private sector over time - reduction of benefits (retirement, education assistance, even pay) and increases in costs (health care, etc) has been the rule of thumb...

Funny how the leaders (government or private) at the top never take any such hit.

shepherd
03-13-2013, 02:29 PM
Civilian federal employees already took a big reduction in retirement benefits in the 80s, to make them more in line with what the private sector was offering. But I agree -- they are an easy target.

JRW160
03-22-2013, 10:07 PM
We were supposed to get furlough notices next week, but they are delaying it a couple of weeks. I'm not a fan of this pay cut or being a pawn in the political game.

mikeg205
03-23-2013, 10:52 AM
Debbie Wasserman Schultz - whining about staffers driving to the bring of starvation... even though they make 60K to 160K - 160K??? :mad::mad::mad:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/22/debbie-wasserman-schultz-sequester-nearly-starving/

Boo fudging hoo - bring a nutritional lunch from home... and leave the military alone... but wait - a staffer might break a nail or get a paper cut... now there's sacrifice worth noting...:mad::mad::mad:

JimN
03-23-2013, 11:09 AM
Debbie Wasserman Schultz - whining about staffers driving to the bring of starvation... even though they make 60K to 160K - 160K??? :mad::mad::mad:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/22/debbie-wasserman-schultz-sequester-nearly-starving/

Boo fudging hoo - bring a nutritional lunch from home... and leave the military alone... but wait - a staffer might break a nail or get a paper cut... now there's sacrifice worth noting...:mad::mad::mad:

If someone can't live on $60K/year, they're pizzing away too much money on being part of a herd.

shepherd
03-24-2013, 12:50 AM
If someone can't live on $60K/year, they're pizzing away too much money on being part of a herd.

You've never lived in DC have you? $60K/year might get you a 1 bedroom apartment in the ghetto.

Not that I'm siding with the bimbo. She is whining -- I don't think anyone is going to starve.

JimN
03-24-2013, 09:10 AM
You've never lived in DC have you? $60K/year might get you a 1 bedroom apartment in the ghetto.

Not that I'm siding with the bimbo. She is whining -- I don't think anyone is going to starve.

Why would someone stay there if they can't afford to live and don't do anything to improve their position in life? That's just fighting something that can't be beaten.

shepherd
03-24-2013, 11:59 AM
Why would someone stay there if they can't afford to live and don't do anything to improve their position in life? That's just fighting something that can't be beaten.

That's why I left!

Well, that and the fact that the beaches and weather are better down here. :rolleyes: