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rodltg2
01-26-2013, 09:38 PM
After reading this goof balls posts about "real Mastercraft " owners and people that sport the sticker and shirt but only own a vintage Mastercraft , it got me thinking. I almost feel the opposite. To me the real " Mastercraft " owners and the ones that should sport the sticker are those with the slalom boats. To me Mastercraft has always been and will be a slalom boat, regardless of how many wake boats they produce and sell now. Hopefully they never lose sight of their heritage. Those who own the wakeboard boats should have to say "x series Mastercraft"! That way I know who is a purist water skier and who is the new generation wakeboarder.

Thoughts.

Double D
01-26-2013, 09:44 PM
Agree, 110%. However, I don't frown on my TT brothers & sisters for them owning a V-Drive or X Boat.... Can't we all just get along??

Tristarboarder
01-26-2013, 09:56 PM
What about the "hybrid posers" like me who take a perfectly good, flat wake producing ski boat and put a tower on it, and add a bunch of ballast? Guess either I am confused or stuck somewhere in between....:D

Covi
01-26-2013, 09:58 PM
After reading this goof balls posts about "real Mastercraft " owners and people that sport the sticker and shirt but only own a vintage Mastercraft , it got me thinking. I almost feel the opposite. To me the real " Mastercraft " owners and the ones that should sport the sticker are those with the slalom boats. To me Mastercraft has always been and will be a slalom boat, regardless of how many wake boats they produce and sell now. Hopefully they never lose sight of their heritage. Those who own the wakeboard boats should have to say "x series Mastercraft"! That way I know who is a purist water skier and who is the new generation wakeboarder.

Thoughts.

Im on your side also.

nickespi
01-26-2013, 09:58 PM
Can't believe this is still going on...

Bouyhead
01-26-2013, 10:03 PM
Can't believe this is still going on...

I think this one is just getting started....

Jerseydave
01-26-2013, 10:04 PM
Real MC owner here.....4 MC's since 1994.

Somedays I like to ski or barefoot, somedays I like to wakeboard or wakesurf.
Currently a 2-boat owner....'93 Prostar Limited and '05 X-star.

So Rod do I qualify as a "Real Mastercraft owner"? :D

Double D
01-26-2013, 10:06 PM
What about the "hybrid posers" like me who take a perfectly good, flat wake producing ski boat and put a tower on it, and add a bunch of ballast? Guess either I am confused or stuck somewhere in between....:D

I guess I'm a Hybrid Poser as well since I like to ski, barefoot, kneeboard and wakeboard. That's why I love my boat...

501s
01-26-2013, 10:06 PM
Disagree. Seems a bit snobby to me. We all know "skiers" don't care for "boarders" and this kind of prepetuates it.

It's been wakeboarding and surfing that have kept the inboard market alive for the past 10 years. Like it or not the newer generations like standing sideways and doing jumps, and are less interested in uncomfortable stances and going really fast. It's the "sideways" movement that saved the snow ski industry too. Oh ya, if MC was only in the business of slalom boats, well I would say they probably wouldn't still be in business.

With all that said I have the upmost respect for Slalom skiers and the skills they have. It's a tough sport and takes a lot of practice. I got to really try it for the first time this past summer and it was much more fun then I expected. I plan to definitley do more and get a ski but you won't see me giving up wakeboarding anytime soon.

rodltg2
01-26-2013, 10:08 PM
I must clarify , no one is a poser. Skier or not. Just seems like the " Mastercraft" name goes hand and hand with waterskiing !

byronic
01-26-2013, 10:16 PM
Agree, 110%. However, I don't frown on my TT brothers & sisters for them owning a V-Drive or X Boat.... Can't we all just get along??

Untill I joined this forum I didn't even know Mastercraft made a v-drive or x boat

Tristarboarder
01-26-2013, 10:23 PM
And I must clarify, my "poser" comment was simply making more fun of that dumb sh*t from a couple of days ago that we all have had so much fun razzing....The bottom line is we all enjoy being out on the open water enjoying a multitude of various watersports, and we are fortunate enough to have the best product available...whether back in 1978 or 2013.

mikeg205
01-26-2013, 10:25 PM
And I must clarify, my "poser" comment was simply making more fun of that dumb sh*t from a couple of days ago that we all have had so much fun razzing....The bottom line is we all enjoy being out on the open water enjoying a multitude of various watersports, and we are fortunate enough to have the best product available...whether back in 1978 or 2013.

'nuff said! - and said very well!:)

thatsmrmastercraft
01-26-2013, 10:44 PM
Real MC owner here.....4 MC's since 1994.

Somedays I like to ski or barefoot, somedays I like to wakeboard or wakesurf.
Currently a 2-boat owner....'93 Prostar Limited and '05 X-star.

So Rod do I qualify as a "Real Mastercraft owner"? :D

Sounds like the best of both worlds to me.

ricford
01-26-2013, 11:35 PM
realmastercraft is just an idiot who likes to get people all upset, and these couple of threads proves he's very good at it. What you do with your boat is entirely up to the owner, and if it's a Mastercraft of any age or style, you are a real Mastercraft owner. Don't give this jerk the satisfaction of posting on his threads.

Hecker
01-27-2013, 12:03 AM
Why would one of us be better than the other. I bought the best boat that I could for what I wanted to do with my family. Just because skiing has been around longer doesn't make it better than the board sports. I'm tied of you so called "purists". Go find a water ski forum, this is for MasterCraft boat owners.

sethro
01-27-2013, 12:48 AM
Disagree. Seems a bit snobby to me. We all know "skiers" don't care for "boarders" and this kind of prepetuates it.

It's been wakeboarding and surfing that have kept the inboard market alive for the past 10 years. Like it or not the newer generations like standing sideways and doing jumps, and are less interested in uncomfortable stances and going really fast. It's the "sideways" movement that saved the snow ski industry too. Oh ya, if MC was only in the business of slalom boats, well I would say they probably wouldn't still be in business.

With all that said I have the upmost respect for Slalom skiers and the skills they have. It's a tough sport and takes a lot of practice. I got to really try it for the first time this past summer and it was much more fun then I expected. I plan to definitley do more and get a ski but you won't see me giving up wakeboarding anytime soon.

I disagree that wakeboarding and surfing have kept the inboard market alive. What those activites have done has caused the inboard market to grow exponentially. Slalom skiers still need a slalom boat. I think MC would still be in business without wakeboarding/surfing, but it would be like the old days...small company with one, maybe two or three by now, models to choose from.

rodltg2
01-27-2013, 02:13 AM
I agree with all of you. Do what you do ! It's your money , your boat. Do what you please!

Just because your boat cost 100k or 9 k doesn't make you less of a Mastercraft owner.

Mastercaft started out as a waterski boat , so no reason to downplay those who don't have the xstar ,x25 or whatever.

It's an awesome boat weather it's old or not. And I wish I could find one to call my own.

I just feel like the slalom boat owners that built this company to what it is today are truly worthy of sporting he badge in their trucks or what have you.

The rest of you realize where the it came from !

Quinten
01-27-2013, 04:42 AM
Why is ther always that gap between skiers and boarders???
Why can't we just live togehter??

In the waterski club where i'm member of we don't have this problem everyone loves everyone, no matter boarder, skier, barfoter or anything else.
And we are the only v-drive in there all the athors are z-drive and they ski and board as well.

Aric'sX15
01-27-2013, 04:45 AM
So I've been around Mastercrafts my entire life.. was my dads spotter in the boat while he did tournament slalom 2 days before I was born.. We moved from 190's to 205's to a 205v, then to our current x 15. Go tell Zane he didn't build the company because he wake boards. Go tell rusty to stop nailing 1080s and further repping the Mastercraft name. To say that slalom skiers are the only ones who deserve to sport stickers are slalom skiers is rather an elitist statement in my mind. I know where the company built its roots on skiing, but just because you ski doesn't make you any more of a Mastercraft enthusiast! WE ARE ALL HERE BECAUSE WE LOVE MASTERCRAFT BOATS!! Im going to sport Mastercraft stickers on all my vehicles.. my girlfriend has a pink Mastercraft sticker on her car too! So if Mastercraft stuck to their roots, and only made slalom boats, they would be bankrupt and long gone! I cant believe some douchebag made us all so pissed off. I'm glad he bought a malibu! at least he's not here fouling up our website!

LaRue
01-27-2013, 08:59 AM
Dear wife,

We have supported and encouraged each other over the years toward our goals and dreams. We have become best of friends as we joined in one another's passions. Which makes this all the more difficult to tell you. The V-drive Mastercraft we have is a poser. She is not what we thought. It with deep emotion I must inform you, we don't really own a Mastercraft.

I know you shared my joy when I brought her home three years ago for you knew it was my boyhood dream to own a Mastercraft. Since that dream is still unrealized, I know you will understand why I must buy that DD PS 214 I showed you this fall. I called the owner today and we have a verbalized agreement. I plan on picking it up tomorrow. I'm so pumped.

by the way, i'll be gone today as i know you would like a day to yourself. no need to call me. no need to wait up for me. no need to thank me. you deserve a "me day."

Thanks dear. Your the best. Here is to pursuing and achieving more dreams together.

Your husband,

KahunaCraft
01-27-2013, 09:52 AM
couple videos to help...found them on another forum debating whether skiing was fading away...

http://youtu.be/7r9jpnFdUl8

http://youtu.be/zjpnylDTRbw

I could post a 2012 X-Star video, but no need. We all have seen the latest Mastercraft media.

In comparison, a Porsche 911... it seats two and is great on the track. Does that make a person with "Panamera Turbo S" a non-owner of a Porsche if he doesn't track his four seater? Or for that matter is the new 911 Turbo S less of a 911 because it isn't air cooled?

History is history, in 2009 we almost lost this great boat company.

What makes a company survive? Variety and versatility. The market demands that. If you don't like it, fine, but realize you can't change it and other changes are coming. I'd like to see more innovation at MC, not less.

IMO we're all owners and there are categories of owners. Skiers, Boarders, Skaters, Skyskiers, Surfers, Tubers, Towable Snorklers, Divers, Fishers...and other sports. Pick your categories - enjoy them.

musicmd
01-27-2013, 09:58 AM
Why did I buy MasterCraft? Because I wanted MasterCraft quality.

Personally, I think things with engines, especially things that go fast. Currently, I have a Kawasaki ZX-6R in that garage, which I ride both on the street at on the track. It's a great bike, with amazingly "neutral" steering and thrilling acceleration all the way up to the 16,5K redline. In the past, I've also owned Ducati, Honda and Yamaha, all of which had their respective strengths and weaknesses.

I bought a 2005 X-10 last Fall because I wanted to move up to the upper echelon of recreational boats and I knew from research and countless discussions with boat owners and salespeople that MasterCraft was a great choice. I chose the X-10 mainly because I am the only slalom skier in a family of wakeboarders. We also enjoy heading out onto the lakes for lazy afternoons of swimming around the boat and the larger seating capacity is a real plus for us.

To me, it is most admirable that MasterCraft has worked hard to maintain a high level of quality and performance, no matter what the intended use of each particular boat. I am impressed with their history in dedicated slalom boats and the fact that one can still buy world-class slalom and barefoot MC boats. I think it is also admirable that MC has set the bar for wakeboarding with the X-Star and other landmark boats throughout the years. I'm also looking forward to seeing how my "crossover" boat does for both wakeboarders and slalom skiers once our lakes in Wisconsin turn from solid to liquid again.

TT has already been a great resource to me as a new MC owner. What I appreciate most is the opportunity to share ideas and learn from other owners. Personally, I'm as interested in the impressive restoration diaries and discussions about various issues which come up with ALL boats in MasterCraft's history as I am at looking at the newest "eye candy."

What I'm NOT interested in is the pissing matches or taunting which occasionally pops up. However, it's easy enough to simply move on to something of value, letting the inane throw volleys back and forth. For me, those posts are of no value whatsoever.

Thankfully, TT is full of many similar minded MC owners and enthusiasts and I look forward to learning from the collective experience and knowledge of those who are regulars. I hope to be able to add my own perspectives, as well.

musicmd
01-27-2013, 09:59 AM
LaRue - - - Brilliant!

MattsCraft
01-27-2013, 10:07 AM
realmastercraft is just an idiot who likes to get people all upset, and these couple of threads proves he's very good at it. What you do with your boat is entirely up to the owner, and if it's a Mastercraft of any age or style, you are a real Mastercraft owner. Don't give this jerk the satisfaction of posting on his threads.

Cheers, enough said...:toast:

mlawler34
01-27-2013, 10:27 AM
Bottom line... It's not about skier or boarder. It's about a group of owners who not only love boating, they love their boats. A real Mastercraft owner is someone who takes care of their boat, whether a 1980 or 2013. Who can spend an entire Sunday polishing and waxing in lieu of a day with their wife or significant other. Anyone one, with any amount of MC OCD. Those are the real owners.

I'm just a mid 20's boarder who never had the opportunity to ski at a young age but am loving the wake behind my star. I have a tremendous amount of respect for skiers. It's fascinating what you guys do. I never make runs down the lake when you guys are tearing up the flat water. Just can't do it. Would never ruin the exhilaration for you. And that's what it's all about. To me if you were to really say what it is, that's real MC

51timber
01-27-2013, 10:57 AM
I am sort of shocked to see this is even an issue.
I have a 2003 x 30. I bought it originally because my brother in law who had a ski Supreme and is a hard core slalom guy told me, after I was impressed with his boat, that if I wanted a sport boat of that sort, to "Go get a Mastercraft. They are the best built boats out there bar none" I followed his advice and never looked back. Whenever I see a old stars and stripes, I get a smirk on my face knowing the heritage and the quality of those boats that went into mine. Tried true and tested. Yes its true that the water sports scene has and is changing, but in no way does it in my opinion invalidate the Prostars or their riders.
That's probably why every year when I go to the New England Boat show and I look at a Nautique or Axis or any competitor's boat, the first thing they do is try and I emphasize "TRY" to do is compare it to a Mastercraft. It has is and always will be the Gold standard of Sport Boats. Pro Series or X

mikeg205
01-27-2013, 11:03 AM
so great to read the positive comments about MC ownership! :)

Jim@BAWS
01-27-2013, 12:10 PM
After reading this goof balls posts about "real Mastercraft " owners and people that sport the sticker and shirt but only own a vintage Mastercraft , it got me thinking. I almost feel the opposite. To me the real " Mastercraft " owners and the ones that should sport the sticker are those with the slalom boats. To me Mastercraft has always been and will be a slalom boat, regardless of how many wake boats they produce and sell now. Hopefully they never lose sight of their heritage. Those who own the wakeboard boats should have to say "x series Mastercraft"! That way I know who is a purist water skier and who is the new generation wakeboarder.
Thoughts.

Myself...I am a little confused by this thread. Rod it has been a while since your exodus from the TEAM TALK Site.
At one time, where you not involved in a venture yourself that was building wakeboard boats with WAKECRAFT? A dealer or investor or something
http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=13483&page=9

With that said a company needs to evolve. MasterCraft has done that.

We do not need to pit one type of MasterCraft owner againist another. To each there own.
They all say MasterCraft on the side weather you own a 1979 MasterCraft I/O or a 2011 265 CSX. Everyone has pride in ownership in the product no matter which one you own. To each there own

Jim@BAWS

GoneBoatN
01-27-2013, 12:13 PM
Reminds me of Snow Skier vs Snowboard. Well I've snow skied for so many years I will not care to admit. People will say (I'm was guilty of it in the past too) that snowboarders do nothing but scrap the snow off the hill, sit on tier buts, ... We'll if you look, there are beginner skiers who do the same (in a wedge) on terrain too difficult to advance their skills. Funny, when I ski terrain that is more difficult (make you crap in your pants kind of stuff), the snowboards there are very skilled and I enjoy watching them do their thing. So much that over the last couple of seasons I decided to broaden my horizons and learn to snowboard. I'm enjoying it. I was riding up a lift and some mom was also on the chair. She noted here couple of kids going down the hill who were snowboarders. She turns to me and say, do you carve or are you one of those people who just scrape and sit all over the place. I must admit that I felt like pushing her off the lift. Yes, I carve and no I don't spend the majority of the time sitting in the snow.

The point (and you thought there was not going to be one) - don't prop (pun intended) yourself up by putting others down. There are many people on TT that I have taken a liking to them. Never met them. Don't give a rat's back end what kind of boat they own. I know I like my boat. I'm pretty darn sure they like theirs. I'm sure they enjoy their boat. God forbid, some may even fish off of it (sarcasm).

My one and only post in this thread. Go ahead, throw stones. ;) Thank God for smilies.

mikeg205
01-27-2013, 12:31 PM
Everything evolves or comes around. Wake boarding may wane in the years to come and slalom my come back strong. The decade has been rough for the boating industry as we all know. One thing that makes wake boarding and wake surfing strong is that you don't need a course to practice and excel in the sport.

We all buy our boats for different reasons and I for one am not going to rationalize anything to this troll.

If you take what Jim says above...sounds like someone has sour grapes...

If you really want to be an elitist I am sure you can go to MC in Venore and order a complete custom boat with customer interior and drive train and all custom accouterments. Spend a couple of hundred grand why not...then you can have your elite MC. I bet you can even get some custom badgeing

I bet also you could have your underwater gear gold electro-plated and you can have your own personal "Gold" edition MC - that no one else will have. ;) - You could also get custom gel on the back that says.... - "Can't Touch This!" -

At least this troll sparked many of us to herald out pride in ownership of an MC... :)

bsloop
01-27-2013, 01:14 PM
A "real Mastercraft" owner is one that is familiar with many boat models, over many years.
Understands and appreciates the strengths and weakness of each.
Someone who truely appreciates a particular type of boat (IB, performance, cruiser, etc) understands and appreciates all manufacturers in that sub-industry. They may have a favorite, they may know their own model better but they are industry aware.

A "real boater" is someone who truely loves the water and appreciates ALL BOATS for their unique characteristics and has consideration for ALL other boaters "real" or "poser"

If you have never gone 120mph on the water, there is a rush
If you have never sat on a 55' cruiser for an afternoon of relaxation, try it.
There is a calm about riding on a sail boat along with the extra sensitivity needed to sail the wind.
Paddling a canoe, one slows down to see a shoreline that normally goes by in a blur.
The care free feeling of piling a bunch of people on a utility pontoon, motoring for simple fun and only buring 5gal of gas all evening.
The responsive push of acceleration and manuvering of and inboard with a clean wake behind for watersports.

How "real" are you?

Extra credit if you have the mechanical skills to maintain a vessel.

musicmd
01-27-2013, 03:47 PM
Extra credit if you have the mechanical skills to maintain a vessel.

And the boating acumen to be skillful behind the wheel and courteous to others on the water.

willyt
01-28-2013, 09:51 AM
Reminds me of Snow Skier vs Snowboard.

i still push skiers off the lift. stupid double-plankers. :uglyhamme

the only real boats come to a single point. silly pickle forks... i mean, common, when is the last time you saw a pickle just floatin along in the water? why in the world would we need a bow designed specifically to skewer one? :noface:

Specter
01-28-2013, 11:27 AM
This is easy: real Mastercraft's roll off the assembly line from the MC factory. If it's made anywhere else it's likely fake.

Is it summer yet?

mzimme
01-28-2013, 11:49 AM
Disagree. Seems a bit snobby to me. We all know "skiers" don't care for "boarders" and this kind of prepetuates it.

It's been wakeboarding and surfing that have kept the inboard market alive for the past 10 years. Like it or not the newer generations like standing sideways and doing jumps, and are less interested in uncomfortable stances and going really fast. It's the "sideways" movement that saved the snow ski industry too. Oh ya, if MC was only in the business of slalom boats, well I would say they probably wouldn't still be in business.

With all that said I have the upmost respect for Slalom skiers and the skills they have. It's a tough sport and takes a lot of practice. I got to really try it for the first time this past summer and it was much more fun then I expected. I plan to definitley do more and get a ski but you won't see me giving up wakeboarding anytime soon.

I like both types of watersports, and have no beef with either style of boat or what people do on them. When it comes to snowsports, however... I am a ski elitist. :) When it comes to snowboarding, there have been articles (such as this one http://travel.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/travel/has-snowboarding-lost-its-edge.html?src=dayp&_r=3& ) pointing out that snowboarding may have just been a fad. If it was a fad, it certainly progressed the sport of skiing. Had snowboarding not come around, we'd still be on long, straight, 215cm planks on the mountain. Thankfully the "shaped" ski movement came along, and if that's all that comes from the snowboard fad, then I'll be happy. Snowboarding is dying off however, skiing has never been in jeopardy of losing a clientell base, the only reason skiing dropped off at all was beacause snowboarding was the new "cool" thing to do.

I have a feeling as people realize they can't afford 115k+ dollar boats, they'll start reverting to skiing again on the water and utilizing the great slalom boats that MC has and still does make, along with the other manufacturers.

rkhodges21
01-28-2013, 12:02 PM
As someone who does not own his MC yet, I can tell you that I think you all are the real deal. I don't care if its a 2013 X25 or an old Stars and Stripes running past me on the lake, or if I see one being towed down the road, I smile to myself and think "someday soon." I like MC for the quality and versatility. I mean they make exceptional products that range from strict championship skiers to record setting wakeboats, boats that will enable most to ride to the max of their skills in any watersport, to even day yachts now. Really, I don't see how ANY MC owner can be anything less than proud of the heritage they are a part of. I also can't help but think of how MC has done things that people thought were impossible. Look at the 205, which has got to be arguably the most versatile boat to ever hit the water, a hull that basically started the revolution of wakeboarding. Even the so-called "failures" the company have had actually entice me. Look at the Maristar 240. Who would have thought a 24' boat would make a good ski boat and what other manufacturer would have tried it? Then there's my personal favorite the CSX 220. I think it's so cool what MC tried to do with that boat. It almost feels like that boat was made with me in mind, someone who wants to be able to do anything on the water with one boat (ok, maybe not skiing but you get the idea). If it were not for the CSX hull, the world might not have the X25 today.

Bottom line, no matter what your pleasure is, we can all agree that MC is the best at all of them with unparalleled quality. I hope to join your ranks soon.

TayMC197
01-28-2013, 12:56 PM
Wouldn't a Mastercrafts owner just be someone who owns one? Who cares what model, how long, what you do with or behind it. If the vin says mastercraft and its in your garage, driveway, boat house, etc.. Your a MC owner. What's to debate?

mzimme
01-28-2013, 01:10 PM
Wouldn't a Mastercrafts owner just be someone who owns one? Who cares what model, how long, what you do with or behind it. If the vin says mastercraft and its in your garage, driveway, boat house, etc.. Your a MC owner. What's to debate?

Just people being dumb is all it really is about. Someone believing that dropping a bunch of coin on a brand new boat automatically extends their ***** size by 18 inches.

DeeeJay02
01-28-2013, 01:26 PM
This all seems a bit silly and down right foolish,
I have spent hundreds of thousands between the cost of 3 MC's, my third being built as we speak. Yes, they are all X-series boats, have I not shown my loyalty and earned the right to display a "Mastercraft" sticker proudly? Or do I still need to put the "X-Series" next to it. Seems a bit ridiculous.

If someone tells you they own a yacht, do you question them with "Which Model" to determin if it classifies as one or do you appreciate the fact that they are lucky enough to have a yacht?

Slalom, Wakeboarding, wake skate, surfing etc. to each there own.

musicmd
01-28-2013, 02:55 PM
This all seems a bit silly and down right foolish,
I have spent hundreds of thousands between the cost of 3 MC's, my third being built as we speak. Yes, they are all X-series boats, have I not shown my loyalty and earned the right to display a "Mastercraft" sticker proudly? Or do I still need to put the "X-Series" next to it. Seems a bit ridiculous.

If someone tells you they own a yacht, do you question them with "Which Model" to determin if it classifies as one or do you appreciate the fact that they are lucky enough to have a yacht?

Slalom, Wakeboarding, wake skate, surfing etc. to each there own.

Thank you. My thoughts exactly.

The reality is - - - a person's particular reasons to own (or not own) a MC is really up to them. Some want it for slalom, others for wakeboarding, others for crossover.

Some may only buy a MC for the prestige or "keeping up with the Joneses." In the end, it doesn't matter.

I bought an X-10 because it was a great choice for my family and our interests. I wanted MC quality and performance. Someone else may have completely different reasons for their choices and it doesn't affect me one bit. It will probably not be my last MC either, and it will be fun to see how my next model compares with this one. That's enjoyable to me.

And, for the record, I have a MC sticker on both my tow vehicle and my little VW GTI. Those are for my enjoyment and I don't give a rat's *** whether people agree with it or not.

willyt
01-28-2013, 03:27 PM
however... I am a ski elitist. :) When it comes to snowboarding, there have been articles (such as this one http://travel.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/travel/has-snowboarding-lost-its-edge.html?src=dayp&_r=3& ) pointing out that snowboarding may have just been a fad. If it was a fad, it certainly progressed the sport of skiing. Had snowboarding not come around, we'd still be on long, straight, 215cm planks on the mountain. Thankfully the "shaped" ski movement came along, and if that's all that comes from the snowboard fad, then I'll be happy. Snowboarding is dying off however, skiing has never been in jeopardy of losing a clientell base, the only reason skiing dropped off at all was beacause snowboarding was the new "cool" thing to do.


you really think that 30% of all visits to resorts are people just on a "fad"? Yes, a 2-3% decline is "significant". you totally overlooked the point that snowboarders have more average days on the snow per year than skiers (now if that is statistically significant difference i have no idea, directionally, though, it is true). also, a 7.6 to 6.1 average day a year drop over 15 YEARS is "sharp"? give me a freaking break. I can tell you with assurance, that while it may ebb and flow (just like skiing has) snowboarding is here to stay (um who was in the Olympics first?). looks like for now, you pompous ski elitists will have to ride the same lifts we are. Don't like it? go to deer valley. I could care less.

Not that i'm against skiing, heck, my brother and some of my best friends ski, but don't call snowboarding a fad.

threadjack over

Prinz Eugen
01-28-2013, 03:40 PM
Grow up, who the hell cares

carracer
01-28-2013, 03:53 PM
Let me see real Mastercraft owners! Who's ever name is on the check qualifies, me personally I was a 190 owner for 20 years now x-30 and the reason for the change is a family with little ones.

mzimme
01-29-2013, 09:50 AM
you really think that 30% of all visits to resorts are people just on a "fad"? Yes, a 2-3% decline is "significant". you totally overlooked the point that snowboarders have more average days on the snow per year than skiers (now if that is statistically significant difference i have no idea, directionally, though, it is true). also, a 7.6 to 6.1 average day a year drop over 15 YEARS is "sharp"? give me a freaking break. I can tell you with assurance, that while it may ebb and flow (just like skiing has) snowboarding is here to stay (um who was in the Olympics first?). looks like for now, you pompous ski elitists will have to ride the same lifts we are. Don't like it? go to deer valley. I could care less.

Not that i'm against skiing, heck, my brother and some of my best friends ski, but don't call snowboarding a fad.

threadjack over

Haha relax man... the "elitist" thing was clearly followed by a smiley face for a reason. I ski, yes. Lots of my friends snowboard and I have no problem sharing a mountain with those who like to ride on one plank. I don't think snowboarding will ever die off completely, that's not even what I meant... I said it was dying based on what the article said, not implying it wouldn't be around in X number of years. I was skiing when nobody was snowboarding, was skiing when everyone started snowboarding, and still am skiing as I watch skiers rise in numbers again. I can't thank snowboarders enough for what they brought to the sport of skiing. Without the shape of a snowboard, we'd have boring skis that you can't ride edges and carve on.

I love you, man. :D

rand49er
01-29-2013, 12:45 PM
In my world, a true Mastercraft person loves both skiing and wakeboarding. The more ways to experience the water the better.

Speaking of which, can't wait for the ice to melt around here.

Covi
01-29-2013, 01:40 PM
I'll ride the same chair if you have a board or skis on your feet. But, if you don't want me to I'll ski Alta. Wait DV has great food though. Isn't all about the food?

you really think that 30% of all visits to resorts are people just on a "fad"? Yes, a 2-3% decline is "significant". you totally overlooked the point that snowboarders have more average days on the snow per year than skiers (now if that is statistically significant difference i have no idea, directionally, though, it is true). also, a 7.6 to 6.1 average day a year drop over 15 YEARS is "sharp"? give me a freaking break. I can tell you with assurance, that while it may ebb and flow (just like skiing has) snowboarding is here to stay (um who was in the Olympics first?). looks like for now, you pompous ski elitists will have to ride the same lifts we are. Don't like it? go to deer valley. I could care less.

Not that i'm against skiing, heck, my brother and some of my best friends ski, but don't call snowboarding a fad.

threadjack over

TxsRiverRat
01-29-2013, 02:05 PM
So, should us “real” MC owners need to refer to ourselves as MCOFC (old farts club) ? :D

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besides, everybody already knows that wakeboarders aren't even human!



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Bouyhead
01-29-2013, 03:57 PM
So, should us “real” MC owners need to refer to ourselves as MCOFC (old farts club) ? :D

http://s8.postimage.org/cyqxgvcth/image.jpg

besides, everybody already knows that wakeboarders aren't even human!



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I have that shirt in white and black!!!

TxsRiverRat
01-29-2013, 03:58 PM
I have that shirt in white and black!!!

Are you saying you're human? :D :D :D

Bouyhead
01-29-2013, 04:00 PM
Human yes, normal? no. Haven't met a skier yet who i would consider normal:D:D

TxsRiverRat
01-29-2013, 04:07 PM
Human yes, normal? no. Haven't met a skier yet who i would consider normal:D:D

Please make sure you're not using MSC members Kyle or phntmski as the benchmark for normal!

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willyt
01-29-2013, 05:53 PM
Human yes, normal? no. Haven't met a skier yet who i would consider normal:D:D

wakeskaters are a much more unusual bunch

TxsRiverRat
01-29-2013, 06:19 PM
wakeskaters are a much more unusual bunch

We need to take teak surfer's feelers into consideration!!

bill-d-c
01-29-2013, 08:34 PM
This marks the 30th anniversary of the purchase of my first MC boat. In 1983 I bought a 1975 S$S. I guess you could say that I owned a MC when owning a MC wasn't cool. The circle of friends I skied with knew almost nothing about them back then (the ones that still ski all own MC's to this day). 30 years, and there has always been a MC of one year or the other in my garage. I've pretty much gone through the gauntlet of water sports over the years, but always used a MC to do the towing. What does it matter what you pay for your MC (or any other brand boat), what you do with it (that changes throughout your skiing life), if you take care of it or someone else does? I see it throughout this forum though, in different places. People want you to know they spent a huge sum of money for their boat. I see it, but I don't understand it. A person that bought a "cheap" MC boat isn't a second class citizen. Nor is a person who, God forbid, enjoys time at the lake in a boat that isn't a MC. I paid $5000.00 for that 1975 MC boat. It carries just as many memories for me, and alot of my friends, as any boat I've owned.
Bill

mikeg205
01-29-2013, 08:47 PM
Please make sure you're not using MSC members Kyle or phntmski as the benchmark for normal!

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omg...soooo funny

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bjames
02-05-2013, 07:47 PM
I just feel like the slalom boat owners that built this company to what it is today are truly worthy of sporting he badge in their trucks or what have you.



I would say that "Its all the MC boat owers from day 1 to today that built this company to what it is today"

Everyone who sports a MC no matter how many hours, how many owners its had, how old or new has in some form contributed to MC's sucess.

Either you own a MC or you dont!! what kind, or how much you spend are just details.

orbeamlb
02-05-2013, 10:45 PM
I would say that "Its all the MC boat owers from day 1 to today that built this company to what it is today"

Everyone who sports a MC no matter how many hours, how many owners its had, how old or new has in some form contributed to MC's sucess.

Either you own a MC or you dont!! what kind, or how much you spend are just details.

Well stated!