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WindBraker
01-14-2013, 07:34 PM
Hey guys. I'm about to pull the trigger on a 5 year old ps197. This will be my first ski boat. The boat is in excellent condition...very clean. One thing it does not have is 0 off or perfect pass. Do you think this will be a big deal? I haven't skied since I was a teen (now in my 30's) but plan on skiing my brains out once I get the boat.
Also, any words of wisdom, or thoughts on the 197 will be appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your input.

AussieMC
01-14-2013, 07:37 PM
If it's 5 years old, 2007? you wont be able to fit Zero Off, but you can put in PP stargazer. The pull will be a lot more consistent and you will enjoy your skiing more, + it makes it easier for the driver. 2008 was the first year of Zero Off, but it is not necessary unless you are going to tournament ski.

mikeg205
01-14-2013, 07:48 PM
If you have some extra cash just have it installed after the fact. I don't have it wish I did - a friend doesn't have wish he did. It also depends on your level of skiing... just getting back in...unless your slowing the boat down on the wake cross - get it next season ;) IMHO...

Sodar
01-14-2013, 07:49 PM
Not a deal breaker and an easy add on down the road. The boat should have MasterCraft Cruise, as I believe it was standard in '07. Either way, use it for a while and see if you need/want to get Perfect Pass.

02ProstarSammyD
01-14-2013, 07:54 PM
Stargazer is great! Its alil $$$ but well worth it however I can't compare to the stock cruise as I've never used it

03 35th Anniversary
01-14-2013, 07:55 PM
I have have 3 Event Prefect Pass and all it does is piss me off!!!

TayMC197
01-14-2013, 09:51 PM
You piss me off 03!!

03 35th Anniversary
01-14-2013, 10:09 PM
:purplaugh :purplaugh :purplaugh :purplaugh

02ProstarSammyD
01-15-2013, 10:19 AM
I have have 3 Event Prefect Pass and all it does is piss me off!!!

stargazer?

Tricky1
01-15-2013, 10:35 AM
If you are a serious tournament skier, go with a boat that has Zero Off. The slalom pull is a lot different than Perfect Pass StarGazer, for slalom. Zero Off is GPS based, and PP StarGazer is RPM based. I had the Perfect Pass in my 2002 197 TT, but have the Zero Off in my 2010 197 TT boat. For tricks either one is fine, although Zero Off gives a better pull and can provide a more custom pull due to the letters (A, B, C) and numbers (1, 2, 3) option. Those same letter/numbers combination are also available for slalom and jump. Perfect Pass does not offer those customized settings. A1 is the softest pull, and C3 would be the strongest pull. If you are not really a serious tournament skier, then the Perfect Pass StarGazer is a great speed control. The Zero Off pull for slalom and jump, is a lot different than PP StarGazer.

02ProstarSammyD
01-15-2013, 11:26 AM
f you are a serious tournament skier, go with a boat that has Zero Off. The slalom pull is a lot different than Perfect Pass StarGazer, for slalom. Zero Off is GPS based, and PP StarGazer is RPM based. I had the Perfect Pass in my 2002 197 TT, but have the Zero Off in my 2010 197 TT boat. For tricks either one is fine, although Zero Off gives a better pull and can provide a more custom pull due to the letters (A, B, C) and numbers (1, 2, 3) option. Those same letter/numbers combination are also available for slalom and jump. Perfect Pass does not offer those customized settings. A1 is the softest pull, and C3 would be the strongest pull. If you are not really a serious tournament skier, then the Perfect Pass StarGazer is a great speed control. The Zero Off pull for slalom and jump, is a lot different than PP StarGazer.

The problem you are describing for the pulls with PP as compared to SG is remedied with zbox so I've heard. Zbox has similar settings as the ZO. All of this of course coming from a non skier but I did stay at a holiday inn express

03 35th Anniversary
01-15-2013, 04:13 PM
stargazer?

No

3 Event Wake-Pro

JohnE
01-15-2013, 07:55 PM
If you are a serious tournament skier, go with a boat that has Zero Off. The slalom pull is a lot different than Perfect Pass StarGazer, for slalom. Zero Off is GPS based, and PP StarGazer is RPM based.

Unless I am missing something, Perfect Pass SG is not RPM based. :confused:

TNH2oSkier
01-16-2013, 12:14 AM
Unless I am missing something, Perfect Pass SG is not RPM based. :confused:


Not missing it at all.... the sg is gps, it uses rpm to get it up and close to speed then gps locks on, all before you hit the gates if everything is set up correctly.

The pull from sg/zo is different, but the difference is getting smaller.

TayMC197
01-16-2013, 12:46 PM
Unless I am missing something, Perfect Pass SG is not RPM based. :confused:

I was about to say, my SG uses GPS. I throttle it up by hand, it locks and takes over.. No paddle wheel.

It also has a million settings to perfect my pull, it allows me to adjust the weight of people in the boat, weight of skier, what line length, etc. I'm no tournament skier but I have friends who are and it runs the course just fine. No complaints yet.

Also, pulling without cruise control is fine. The prop setup on these boats keeps it from deviating to much when the skier is pulling. Takes little time at all to get comfortable driving that way. Its how I learned back in the day.

yippikaiyay
01-16-2013, 01:48 PM
Hey guys. I'm about to pull the trigger on a 5 year old ps197. This will be my first ski boat. The boat is in excellent condition...very clean. One thing it does not have is 0 off or perfect pass. Do you think this will be a big deal? I haven't skied since I was a teen (now in my 30's) but plan on skiing my brains out once I get the boat.
Also, any words of wisdom, or thoughts on the 197 will be appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your input.

I upgraded my MC to an '08 197 a few years ago. I love my boat. If you're going to 'ski your brains out', you'll love it too.

yeahmooney
01-17-2013, 01:24 PM
I have a 04' 197 with Perfect Pass Wakeboard Pro. If you haven't skied since you were a teen and are now in your mid 30's the Perfect Pass with be fine. If you look around this board you will find that any type of cruise is a marriage saver.

mark g
01-17-2013, 01:34 PM
Had the same ideas when I upgraded, had a 88 prostar 190 which I put perfect pass on and said I would never have another boat without it, I bought a 2005 prostar 197 with cruise on, was going to swap it out but to be honest the cruise works as good as perfect pass did, difference is you can't alter the pull characteristics with mastercraft cruise, if your not short line skiing on the course I wouldn't worry.
That's if you have mastercraft cruise not sure if it was standard