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Theclarks1111
12-19-2012, 05:12 PM
We have a 2007 x2 and absolutely love it. With a little extra ballast, it surfs great and wakeboards really well. However, I love to ski and would love to get into barefooting more also (before I can't do it anymore). What suggestions, experience does everyone have for a boat that does both well. Old stars and stripes, or prostar (and if so, which prostar). As far as direct drive ski boats, I've only barefooted and slalomed on an older tristar 190. I'm looking for something around or under $10k. Thanks for any advice.

rodltg2
12-19-2012, 07:22 PM
For that price you should grab a 92-94 Prostar 190. Great for both slalom and footing.

kyfooter
12-20-2012, 07:41 AM
Don't know how big you are, but one common issue is the top speed of stock engine Mastercrafts. Many will top out at 43-44 and with a footer in tow might max at 41-42. This usually isn't an issue if you stay off the boom. But longline footing and certainly doing more advanced tricks may require more speed.

Early 90s Malibu Response, or a late 90s Malibu Sportster may suit both needs well. I don't believe the quality is as nice as MC, but this sounds like a "toy" purchase and for slalom, barefoot, and having enough top end speed, IMO these boats would work very well for you.

Rockman
12-20-2012, 08:00 AM
Interesting topic...we have a 95 BF200 and just purchased a 94 190...

Having both boats for us was more of a result of water depths that seem to never remain consistent. Up north, the lake we are on is plenty deep to run the BF200 but the rivers down south by our residence have been shallow and therefore the purchase of an inboard was necessary.


I think if you look at a 91 to 94 190 or 205, you will be ok. There are a few different engines offered within these years...couple little things to do to the boat here and there will give you the power you need, like prop, etc.

The 94 we just bought has the LT1 and with a new prop, will provide whatever power we need...if not, we can foot behind the BF200.



Budget wil play a big factor in what you can buy though...

Latin Flyer
12-20-2012, 08:32 AM
You will need a barefoot boat if you realy want to get into barefooting.

TRBenj
12-20-2012, 08:59 AM
You will need a barefoot boat if you realy want to get into barefooting.
Pffft... no way. Unless he's looking to compete, where a world class wake/table will help, a "regular" direct drive will do just fine. Especially for someone just getting into the sport.

A Prostar with the base engine (240hp) will top out around 41mph with a footer, which is fine... unless youre a big guy, like to foot fast, or need a little extra speed for one-foot stuff. Boats with the HO Ford (92+) or LT1 (93+) will give you the little extra you need, if thats the case. Or the standard Ford engine can be upgraded to HO power levels (and then some) for ~$1500... so that would open up your choices to older boats.

Latin Flyer
12-20-2012, 10:05 AM
I'm not even talking wake quality, but you NEED to be able to do 45 mph with 5 people on the boat. No deviation of that.
Specially if this is a second boat.

TRBenj
12-20-2012, 10:14 AM
I'm not even talking wake quality, but you NEED to be able to do 45 mph with 5 people on the boat. No deviation of that.
Specially if this is a second boat.
If youre going to use the boat for a barefoot competition, sure- that would be a NEED. Thats also how I prefer my boats that I barefoot behind, as I like 43-44mph for one foot tricks and we sometimes foot with a large crew.

That being said, some of the best footers I know dont own boats that are that capable- and their progress isnt stunted in the least. They can do some amazing things behind boats that are only good for 41mph with a footer in tow. I would imagine they wouldnt turn down a few more mph (which they could add for a reasonable cost if they were so inclined)... but its not a NEED. It certainly wouldnt be a requirement for someone looking to get into the sport for the first time.

TayMC197
12-20-2012, 10:31 AM
My 92 190 with the 351 topped out at 47, noone in tow and about 5 people in the boat. GPS to prove that speed. I'd imagine even with a footer it would maintain 44-45... If the speed is the biggest thing, reprop it for a little extra speed... that being said, get a power slot, 91-94 prostar for about 6K and have a blast...

TayMC197
12-20-2012, 10:33 AM
Another option is losing weight.... lol

jhall0711
12-20-2012, 11:42 AM
Another option is losing weight.... lol

LOL best response....

Theclarks1111
12-20-2012, 06:02 PM
I appreciate all the responses. I've kind of been able to confirm what I thought. I had been looking around at early 90s Prostar 190s. I am not very heavy, about 170ish so I dont necessarily need a huge amount of power or top end speed. The kind of barefooting I am talking about doing is just having some fun on a boom. I will not be doing any kind of competition barefooting. Thanks again for the advice.

Jerseydave
12-20-2012, 06:26 PM
My 92 190 with the 351 topped out at 47, noone in tow and about 5 people in the boat. GPS to prove that speed. I'd imagine even with a footer it would maintain 44-45... If the speed is the biggest thing, reprop it for a little extra speed... that being said, get a power slot, 91-94 prostar for about 6K and have a blast...

$6K for a '91 prostar? Only if it needs some work....a lot of work.

Jerseydave
12-20-2012, 06:34 PM
I have the best of both, '05 X-star and '93 prostar LT-1 Limited.
You should be able to find a 91-94 prostar for $10-12K. '91-'94 slalom wakes are considered one of the best out there. Try to get one with the 285 hp Ford motor, or LT-1.
Also, don't rule out '84-'86 Mastercrafts. They are great classics with nice slalom wakes, light hulls so footing would be great too.

Miss Rita
12-20-2012, 07:11 PM
Just to be devil's advocate, as great as MasterCrafts are, they aren't the best footin' boat around. SkiPro made some barefoot-specific boats that were used in a lot of tournaments, have a built-in boom, plenty of speed and power.

I just happen to have one for sale... ;)

rodltg2
12-20-2012, 07:42 PM
$6K for a '91 prostar? Only if it needs some work....a lot of work.

Just some work, like taking off the pull up bar !

http://modesto.craigslist.org/boa/3465231797.html

rodltg2
12-20-2012, 07:45 PM
or just save a bunch and get this !

http://yubasutter.craigslist.org/boa/3467818442.html

orbeamlb
12-20-2012, 08:10 PM
or just save a bunch and get this !

http://yubasutter.craigslist.org/boa/3467818442.html

Cool! If i only had room for it.

orbeamlb
12-20-2012, 08:14 PM
I appreciate all the responses. I've kind of been able to confirm what I thought. I had been looking around at early 90s Prostar 190s. I am not very heavy, about 170ish so I dont necessarily need a huge amount of power or top end speed. The kind of barefooting I am talking about doing is just having some fun on a boom. I will not be doing any kind of competition barefooting. Thanks again for the advice.

You can always keep an eye out for a clean PS200 of BF200 if you're open to outboards. The PS200 throws a very flat wake much like a PS190 of the same vintage.

Theclarks1111
12-20-2012, 09:01 PM
Jerseydave, what kind of top end speed do you get with your LT1. I just found a 94 prostar 190 with the LT1. The owner is claiming 47mph. I feel like that might be a bold claim. What are your thoughts?

Theclarks1111
12-20-2012, 09:07 PM
Miss Rita, PM sent

Rockman
12-20-2012, 10:19 PM
Jerseydave, what kind of top end speed do you get with your LT1. I just found a 94 prostar 190 with the LT1. The owner is claiming 47mph. I feel like that might be a bold claim. What are your thoughts?

The '94 project 190 we just bought with the LT1 did 46 on GPS and that is with a trashed prop and crappy water...guy is probably not too far off.

TayMC197
12-20-2012, 11:41 PM
Jerseydave, what kind of top end speed do you get with your LT1. I just found a 94 prostar 190 with the LT1. The owner is claiming 47mph. I feel like that might be a bold claim. What are your thoughts?

I believe that claim. As I stated my 351 was getting 47.


@jerseydave.. I see a lot of good 190's in the 6k range.. They are just bare boats.. Might need gel coat buffing but that's normally it.

Jerseydave
12-21-2012, 08:52 AM
Jerseydave, what kind of top end speed do you get with your LT1. I just found a 94 prostar 190 with the LT1. The owner is claiming 47mph. I feel like that might be a bold claim. What are your thoughts?

Not sure what my top speed is on GPS, but it will hit 47 on the speedo, maybe more. (calibrated by GPS)
I need to get out there this season and record my top speed just for kicks. My prop is not new, so I want to replace it first.

Any '91-'94 for near $6K is a great buy.....I didn't think they would sell that cheap.
How much is that '94 LT-1? Is it a powerslot? (actually for footing a 1:1 trans might be better anyway).

kyfooter
12-21-2012, 09:52 AM
Jerseydave, what kind of top end speed do you get with your LT1. I just found a 94 prostar 190 with the LT1. The owner is claiming 47mph. I feel like that might be a bold claim. What are your thoughts?

A '94 with an LT1 on a 1:1 transmission might get pretty close to 47. I would test it with GPS, but even if it's at 45 that's plenty. LT1 is a very nice engine as well.

Ski-me
12-21-2012, 10:28 AM
The '94 project 190 we just bought with the LT1 did 46 on GPS and that is with a trashed prop and crappy water...guy is probably not too far off.

Was that test drive in Colorado too?!? Elevation 6,000' so you might even gain another MPH :D.

@ Rockman, Getting new rims for the Trailer tomorrow....I'll post in my original thread! So excited!! :cool:

Rockman
12-21-2012, 04:43 PM
Was that test drive in Colorado too?!? Elevation 6,000' so you might even gain another MPH :D.

@ Rockman, Getting new rims for the Trailer tomorrow....I'll post in my original thread! So excited!! :cool:


Jeff,

Hey, we are trying to get my daughter Bieber tickets...might be coming to Denver for the show so you better keep your doors locked...:D :eek3:


Good deal on the rims! Have a great holiday!:toast:

mikeg205
12-21-2012, 04:50 PM
Jeff,

Hey, we are trying to get my daughter Bieber tickets...might be coming to Denver for the show so you better keep your doors locked...:D :eek3:


Good deal on the rims! Have a great holiday!:toast:

Rockman.....what kind of parent are you...under no circumstance should anyone be exposed to bieber... :D

Footin
12-21-2012, 05:07 PM
I would go for a 91-94 190 or 205. I would not be concerned with the motor as I have a 94 205 with the standard engine and it is just fine for barefooting. The top end has never been an issue for me and I am not small (about 210).
The only change I have made is going to an Acme CNC'd prop. I use to have a BF200 and my 205 is almost as good of a barefoot boat and a much better family boat.

ahhudgins
12-21-2012, 07:13 PM
I learned to foot behind a 15 ft. runabout with a 85HP Mercury OB and 40 MPH was the top end. Since then, I've foot behind my 79 S&S, my 87 Prostar 190, and my 95 Maristar 200VRS. I've never tipped the scales more than 185 lbs and I've never had to run any of the inboards WOT to keep it at 40-41 MPH. If you glide across the water (and not plow), extra passengers in the boat will affect the top end speed more than the footer, even on one foot. The powerslot and a 4 blade prop will give you more hole shot for deep water starts if you have a few people in the boat too. :twocents:

Rockman
12-21-2012, 08:10 PM
Rockman.....what kind of parent are you...under no circumstance should anyone be exposed to bieber... :D

Livi is almost 7 and likes the Bieb, Taylor Swift and Dance Music...JD on the other hand likes Jake Owen (Barefoot Blue Jean Night) and more rock bands...loved the smile on her face when she got her tickets to the show here recently...at least I did not have to go to the show with her...mom's jo on that one! ;)

mikeg205
12-21-2012, 08:56 PM
Livi is almost 7 and likes the Bieb, Taylor Swift and Dance Music...JD on the other hand likes Jake Owen (Barefoot Blue Jean Night) and more rock bands...loved the smile on her face when she got her tickets to the show here recently...at least I did not have to go to the show with her...mom's jo on that one! ;)

mom's aces for the that...all good taylor swift dance music... see if she like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcFPlNzy8vM

good line dance to this one...lol.. ;)

dihrdskir
12-24-2012, 05:16 AM
What can I say. I have a foot in both camps. Prostar 197 for everything and an 88 flightcraft barefooter and I love them both. The barefooter is exceptional fit for purpose machine and will do 60 all day with a 21" high five. I love my prostar as an alrounder but for wakeless footing it's the f'craft everyday:cool:

Ski-me
12-24-2012, 09:56 AM
Jeff,

Hey, we are trying to get my daughter Bieber tickets...might be coming to Denver for the show so you better keep your doors locked...:D :eek3:


Good deal on the rims! Have a great holiday!:toast:

Cool, keep me posted if you go. We can probably hook up and do a drop off.... (Probably NOT at the concert though....:uglyhamme )