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Nick911
12-14-2012, 05:04 PM
As I sit here with knees still sore from summer I wonder whether my bindings are too tight. Some say they should be as snug as possible, other say they should be loose enough to easily eject your feet. I've always taken the middle ground with snug bindings yet not too snug. The times I have hurt my knee sometimes only one binding will eject.

Thoughts?

TxsRiverRat
12-14-2012, 05:08 PM
if you're cramping up in 6 passes, too tight

FourFourty
12-14-2012, 06:05 PM
I am guessing that we are talking about a wakeboard here??

As far as I was ever told, you want them tight enough so that your feet will NEVER eject. I have been told, more than once, that most leg injuries from wakeboarding is due to one foot ejecting, and all the stress being applied to the other leg...... Snap.... I am willing to bet that this is why you are hurting your knee when only one ejects. Tighten those things down. Also, I am sure you have high-end bindings, but if you don't, get good ones. Cheap on the board if you want.

Same rule with a snowboard. Ski's are a different story.

I always keep my bindings very tight. Never had an eject, and never had an injury.... Knock on wood.

mikeg205
12-14-2012, 06:13 PM
Where are they sore? front sides? hurt when you bend? if you're crampin' too tight... did you feel pain after wiping out? could be bindings and could needed strength around what keeps your knee working.

Could be stance on wakeboard. I know my complained for awhile when he was landing flat on his wakeboard... he adjusted his stance and tries to land on the back edge of board first...just a little bit to make it not feel like landing on a hard surface.

I bicycle to keep my knees and legs fit when not skiing, I notice if I drop off and lose strength in my legs - pain returns and the dumps hurt more... plus I'm 53 so gotta keep the stumps in shape..

Nick911
12-14-2012, 07:41 PM
I keep them fairly loose, the question I'm asking is: should your feet eject during a fall, or, never eject?

And yes taking wakeboarding.

mikeg205
12-14-2012, 07:43 PM
On ejecting...how hard are you falling... I am a beginner wakeboarder...intermediate slalom..I run my wake board and slalom bindings tight. Have you gotten any coaching...incorrect stance can cause over use pain.

GoneBoatN
12-14-2012, 08:13 PM
As I sit here with knees still sore from summer I wonder whether my bindings are too tight. Some say they should be as snug as possible, other say they should be loose enough to easily eject your feet. I've always taken the middle ground with snug bindings yet not too snug. The times I have hurt my knee sometimes only one binding will eject.

Thoughts?

Perhaps that is the worst thing to do. You have one eject but the other does not because it is not quite loose enough. I would think that if you are going to wear them loose, you want them just snug enough that they come along for the ride during the maneuver, but if the board hangs up in the water, it’s gone. When the first one goes, it's most likely being pulled directly away (or nearly) from the foot. For the second one, my guess is that the board is rotating rather than being pulled directly from the foot. In the second case (the second foot), the boot would need to be much looser to give way freely.

Just my opinion - go really loose or go snug. Again this is just my thoughts as I'm not that good of a wakeboarder, unless you are counting the ability to wipe-out with style. :D

Chief
12-14-2012, 08:29 PM
All I know is when I come out the bindings, my feet and ankles are the only thing not hurting.

mikeg205
12-14-2012, 08:55 PM
@nick...I suggest getting someone with some expertise look at your setup while you are ready get underway next season. In the meantime can you get some x-rays of your knees to see what's up...socialized medicine and all. :)

This sounds dumb but it works...stand on your couch and jump off...repeat a few times.... look at how your feet look when you land...that should be your wake board binding setup.

regarding ejecting...if you are moving on to advanced tricks try them on a wake skate.. You will be free of the board if something goes wrong. Does not mean you will not sustain damage when you hot the water wrong. had friend training for air raleys(sp?) - no board but landed flat out on his rib cage on wake...bruised ribs..and trip to emergency room...

Your bindings IMO should be the same tightness so you can lose the board if you get in real trouble and need to tumble free of the board...face plants don't count :D

park190
12-14-2012, 09:03 PM
Mine are always as tight as possible as I never want to pop out. A properly fitted binding is the most important and should alleviate any pain if fitted correctly. I will pay more for a good binding for this reason. Stance is also a critical component...

onewheat
12-14-2012, 09:27 PM
I was told most knee pain when riding is due to the wrong angle of the boots. Too angled out and riding duck-footed is hard on the knees. Also, too straight forward could be hard on them as well. It is something you have to play with.

Nick911
12-14-2012, 09:37 PM
Don't think I have a stance issue I know my knees get hurt when 1) I land on top the wake or 2) I crash and lose only one binding, like a rotation thing. Played hockey my whole life so knees and ankles are very strong and am a very advanced snowboarder.

My question I guess is: should my bindings be so tight that my feet DO NOT come out when crashing, or, should both feet eject?

I am planning on hiring a pro for a day or two this spring to do some lessons though will certainly rework my stance. Am getting a new setup this year too Ronix Frank and Bill or Time Bomb and One Bindings.

mikeg205
12-14-2012, 10:01 PM
ok nick - what's your age...I was complaining about knee pain while cycling (peddling) @ 50 my chiropractor friend said - welcome to the 50's.... :)

madcityskier
12-14-2012, 10:41 PM
As has Ben stated, the biggest thing is to not have one come off and one stay on. That is hoe you end up hurting a knee or hip. I used to go the far side of small (med/large double boots
Mon size 13's) after seeing a friend get hit in the head by a ski, requiring several stitched. As I've aged I don't push so hard if I'm running late. Now I'm about comfort. XL and rtp.

Tristarboarder
12-15-2012, 12:13 AM
Tight as you can pull the strings..

GoneBoatN
12-15-2012, 01:21 AM
ok nick - what's your age...I was complaining about knee pain while cycling (peddling) @ 50 my chiropractor friend said - welcome to the 50's.... :)

Age - denial becomes more important with every year.
Pain - weakness leaving your body.
chiropractor friend - those two words just don't go together well.

:D:D:D

GoneBoatN
12-15-2012, 01:24 AM
...and One Bindings...

My son has Ones. I have Cells. The Cells fit me a lot better. My feet feel like the are "down" in the boot much better. I have never come out of my cells even with the laces not too tight. I've taken plenty of spills in them. Try both if you have not already. I guess a lot depends upon your foot and your preferences.

mikeg205
12-15-2012, 09:12 AM
Age - denial becomes more important with every year.
Pain - weakness leaving your body.
chiropractor friend - those two words just don't go together well.

:D:D:D

Agree, agree agree... the 2 guys in my cycling club I can't keep up with are older than me... we average 18-19mph... the oldest guy who's retired in his late 50's trains every day (every day) http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1N1-12E23B8B8FA3CCA8.html

the chiropractor is good to know - helps us understand how we age and how to keep us pain free by letting us know what muscles need to be strong. i.e. cycling strengthens the muscle tendons, ligaments around the knees.

as to denial - My doctor is an enabler...:D...I told him at my last physical my most of my friends can't keep up with me... so he tells me get younger friends...lol...:uglyhamme:uglyhamme

bcd
12-16-2012, 11:07 AM
I have Ones, and they fit tight. My theory is you're better off putting them as tight as possible. If you have them too loose to come out, you can't control the board. If you have them loose to come out, you are increasing the number of times you come out, which increases the odds that only one foot will come out and cause a knee injury. Even if your binding is loose, if one foot stays in, it will still be able to twist the knee, causing damage.

The downside with tight bindings is the front edge catches can really. I have still ejected a few times, like going too big on a backroll and overrotating it into the flats.

swatguy
12-31-2012, 10:42 PM
What bindings are you running? Make/model.....closed toe open toe


Tightness has two definitions regarding wakeboarding bindings. They should fit very snug/ tight with out any laces pulled. No slop.

Then there is the tightness after you pull the laces. How right to crank down the laces depends on the binding. Some bindings are stiff some are made more flexible. You should always have to give a bit of muscle on the tug to strap them in. You want the bindings to be snug and have constants pressure on the tongue area as well.

Almost all the high end bindings no mater how hard you pull the laces have some worth of give for a major wipeout and will release off your feet in a high speed edge catch. The most common mistake for newbs is actually thinking a looser binding will help prevent injuries because your foot will release. However this will make you more prone as you have experienced te one foot in and one foot out crash. That is going to do the most severe damage to you legs, knees, ankles and hips. Don't be afraid to cinch em down, but most importantly make sure the fit correctly . There are several different ways to aid in the break in process.

Again not knowing what binding you have I would also agree with spending more money in a binding and going with a lesser board. Same goes in the snowboard industry. Spend your money on a quality boot. You get more performance from the boot to board contact in both sports than the actual board itself.