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east tx skier
07-26-2004, 03:42 PM
This was one of my favorite threads from the old sites, so I thought I'd repost for the people that missed it the first time.

1993 Prostar 205 @36 mph (Acme 13x12 3-blade)

Leroy
07-26-2004, 04:07 PM
Ha re-runs on the message board! Same for the career topic also, but both are great.

MarkP
07-26-2004, 04:15 PM
Great looking wake Doug, Lot of spray though. This past weekend I got a pull from a newer boat. No spray. It was cool.

NSXBill
07-26-2004, 04:27 PM
2001 ProStar 209, 310hp Predator, 1:1, 13 x 14 OEM OJ

36 mph

east tx skier
07-26-2004, 04:32 PM
Mark, you skiing at 35 off or something. The pre-95 boats definitely had more spray, but for my 15off skiing butt, it's simply doesn't concern me. :D

MarkP
07-26-2004, 04:45 PM
Sorry man, I know all that. I was just trying to get a post in. Cant believe you busted me.:o Anyway your wake looks just a little flatter than my wake. Did you notice a change in wake when you switched the prop??

east tx skier
07-26-2004, 05:12 PM
The rooster tail seemed to flatten out a little bit with the prop change. But since I ski behind it, I'm just going by the pictures. Seems a little softer with the new prop, at least that was my impression when I first ran the new prop. My memory of my former wake has faded somewhat.

BriEOD
07-26-2004, 11:25 PM
Transplant thread huh?

MarkP
07-27-2004, 10:33 AM
Anyone know if TT Admin is going to import threads or we only get a link??:huh:

east tx skier
07-27-2004, 10:41 AM
I thought it was a link only. This thread was so old on the other board anyway though that I figured it was one worth recycling. So, Mark, let's see some pics!

MarkP
07-27-2004, 10:54 AM
man but I don’t have a wake shot yet:o ..

MarkP
07-27-2004, 10:56 AM
No wake behind those little guys

bcampbe7
07-27-2004, 10:58 AM
Wonder how many of those little sukers it would take to pull my fat a$$ out of the water???

BriEOD
07-27-2004, 12:01 PM
Good Question! LOL! :)

east tx skier
07-27-2004, 12:01 PM
650 Duckpower and a powerslot?

BriEOD
07-27-2004, 12:05 PM
Powerslot on a duck, I'm not even going to ask! :uglyhamme

JimN
07-27-2004, 02:11 PM
Did you notice that there's no wake behind the ducks? There's also no echo when they quack. Coincidence? You decide! Or, maybe they're actually little aliens. :rolleyes:

bradamerry
07-28-2004, 10:03 AM
Speed about 30mph.

MarkP
07-28-2004, 11:22 AM
Nice shot brad. Your pup looks right at home

BriEOD
07-28-2004, 01:16 PM
Brad, how many speakers do you have in your boat? Also where do you have the stereo mounted? I cut out just under the ski mirror and installed my stereo. I have 2 speakers mounted where you have yours in the photo. I want to add 2 more but their isn't another factory cut out spot. Just curious what yours is like.

bradamerry
07-28-2004, 03:44 PM
Thanks Mark

Brian, my cd is mounted under the ski mirror. I have Two holes that were cut out under the observers seat. I will take a pic and post it for you. I don't have any speakers in them, yet, my cd doesn't work. Waiting for winter to work on that. With a 3yr. old, I would be jamming to the Beauty and the Best sound track :banana: . But it's all good, I already know all the songs. Maybe she would let me put in the Lion King cd. What a wonderful phrase :headbang: !!!!

bradamerry
07-28-2004, 03:47 PM
Mark, when the dog gets hot, he just puts his head in the spray and cools off. We have been trying to get a pic of that. If the boat stops, he swimming. :woohoo:

BriEOD
07-28-2004, 08:58 PM
Thanks Brad, if you get a chance post a pic. "Grassy a$$"

bradamerry
07-28-2004, 09:58 PM
Brian, remember I have not had any speakers in these holes, so I don't know how they will sound or hold up. They were there and empty when I got the boat. Hope this helps!

bradamerry
07-28-2004, 10:01 PM
What happened to the pics?? :eek:

BriEOD
07-28-2004, 10:07 PM
Thanks, that does help. Would a 6.25" speaker fit in those holes?

bradamerry
07-28-2004, 10:13 PM
Brian, the holes are 4 3/4 by 4 3/4 inches.

sully
07-29-2004, 12:00 AM
Here is picture our wake at 30 mph , 210 MariStar at 30mph with 310 predator :banana: http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jul/20047286795068366584276.jpg
Not very good ski form, but I'm working on it. :o

H20skeefreek
07-29-2004, 05:14 AM
brian the quick answer is probably, but you'd have to check on the specific speaker. one company's 6.5 isn't the same as another's

Farmer Ted
07-29-2004, 07:51 AM
350 Horse LT1
Acme 13 x 12.65 three blade
4 adults and 2 munch-kins
36 MPH after speedos were dialed in with GPS

Git-R-Done! :banana:

BriEOD
07-29-2004, 08:06 AM
Hey Tim is that your house in the rear towards the left? :D

bradamerry
07-29-2004, 09:13 AM
Brian, I told him to buy it. It has a TWO boat boathouse, room for mine and his and we could ski alot!!

east tx skier
07-29-2004, 10:28 AM
Nice, Tim. Is that before or after you had the hydrorails installed.

Farmer Ted
07-29-2004, 12:30 PM
Brian,

I wish it was my house, the one being built is kind of small for my taste, you should see the one right next to it. It's for sale and I'm sure I could afford it if I could get a 100 year note!

Doug,

That shot is after the Hydrorails.

I stopped and spoke to a dealer in MSP and he said that the whole story of anyone running a boat aground was a bull$hit urban legend. The 98 model started with 4 fins bcause they wanted to improve tracking, the rudder initially got a 4 degree foil that was later changed to 17 degree. The purpose of the foil was to get the back of the boat up out of the water more.

THe hydrorails were added to smooth out the wake for your average joe skiing at 15 off. There was no problem with the wake for shortline skiiers, just the longline dudes.

Again more speculation, he said she said....I'd really like to hear the no **** from Mastercraft but it's not that big of a deal.

east tx skier
07-29-2004, 02:12 PM
Tim, from all I've heard, most of the complaints, wakewise were at 22off, but not shorter. The topic has come up again on another board. According to one poster, the foil was to get the rear of the boat down into the water. From other info I've read on the subject, the problems noted were with the AWSA test boat, and were addressed before any boats were shipped to customers. OCICBW.

Here's the site.

http://waterski.nicholls.edu/waterski/

The thread is called "Deathstar"

I never got an answer from MC when I inquired about this months ago. But if it's urban legend, and I were MC, it would make sense that they would say it's not true as opposed to ignoring the question.

Didn't mean to open up this can-o-worms again. Was just curious because I think the picture you posted on the old board was pre-rail, right? In the end, there isn't one of these boats that would throw a wake that I'd probably complain about. Wake comments among straight drives are designed by people who pick gnat sh!t out of pepper. My 15off skiing butt probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Do you notice any difference from the acme? From both of our boats, it looks like there is more surface wash. The rooster tail on my wake definitely flattened out a bit with the acme though. No idea why.

bradamerry
07-29-2004, 03:35 PM
I don't know what may or may not have been wrong with the first 98', but I can tell you from a driver, skier and rider, Tim's 98' is awesome!! :headbang:

east tx skier
07-29-2004, 03:45 PM
I don't doubt that it is. Not to mention that it's among the best-looking boats on the board.

bradamerry
07-29-2004, 03:53 PM
Great point Doug, Tim said his next boat would be openbow yesterday at the lake and I jumped at buying his. I think he was having a weak moment though.

east tx skier
07-29-2004, 03:58 PM
Cool. The grass may always be greener. I'd go for another open bow if it had the observer seat like the 197. I'm big on the long observer seat. I also like the wake a bit better behind the older closed bows (little softer IMO). As for the 197s, it's the same hull, so no difference (plus it's got the flip seat).

bradamerry
07-29-2004, 04:10 PM
Tim's has the flip seat in it. Super nice ride and vette motor runs like a dream. I'm not sure if his wake is as soft as my 87', but it's close. The 87' has an awesome wake.

east tx skier
07-29-2004, 04:14 PM
Sorry, I should've been more clear. I meant the flip-out obsever seat back like on the 197, which enables you to get into the bow easier. One of the drawbacks of the 205 is that it is a walkthrough with a narrower observer seat.

bradamerry
07-29-2004, 04:22 PM
Tim's observer's seat flips up if that's what you mean?

east tx skier
07-29-2004, 04:41 PM
I gotcha. Mine does as well. What I'm talking about is the way the 197's seat back flips outward (like a door) so you can get up into the bow more easily.

bradamerry
07-29-2004, 05:00 PM
I got it now, that's cool!! That's why the PS197 is my dream boat.

east tx skier
07-29-2004, 05:15 PM
Among other things ...

bradamerry
07-29-2004, 05:43 PM
A shoreline cabin on Lake Greeson tops my list..

east tx skier
07-29-2004, 05:47 PM
Where is Greenson exactly?

bradamerry
07-29-2004, 06:25 PM
45 minutes SW of Hot Springs and one hr. NE of Texarkana. Foothills of the Ouachita Mts. Cool clear water and alot of coves. Even a slalom course. About 3hrs. from Shreveport, but well worth the drive.

jake
07-30-2004, 11:30 AM
93' Prostar 190 w/ 285hp 351, 1:1 and stock OJ prop

captkidd
07-30-2004, 05:02 PM
There's an awesome 2004 PS197 on ebay now. Although the colors aren't what I would have picked if I were ordering a boat, they really look a lot better together than I would have thought. Some of you guys who live near Colorado should check it out. If only I weren't so deep in debt. [insert an emoticon pulling out his empty pockets]

MarkP
07-30-2004, 07:16 PM
I saw that today too i think


Oh, [insert an emoticon pulling out his empty pockets]:(

Tom023
07-31-2004, 09:43 AM
East TX,

I saw the first picture and immediately thought it looks like the Trinity, without looking at your location. If not, I guess all East Texas rivers look alike!

east tx skier
07-31-2004, 12:29 PM
Tom, that's Cypress Bayou on Caddo Lake. Haven't skied the trinity. I'm assuming it's pretty sweet!

east tx skier
07-31-2004, 12:33 PM
Darrell, I saw that one the other day. My thoughts exactly as the color goes, but wouldn't kick it out of bed for snoring. Also, on my perfect boat, there's no tower, but that's just MY perfect boat (not saying anything about towers, just not what I want).

jimmer2880
08-03-2004, 06:38 AM
95 PS 190. 13x13 OJ 4-blade. Running 30 mph at 22 off.

Notic'able bump - but not bad.

jimmer2880
08-03-2004, 06:39 AM
ohh yea - I think I need to start bending my knees a bit more... I believe I'm loosing quite a bit of speed getting all that air coming into & out of the wake.


:eek:

east tx skier
08-03-2004, 10:09 AM
Yeah, what's up with the air before the wake? I used to be so straight-legged, that I now tend to overcompensate the knee bending when I first get up on the ski to remind myself. I posted a picture in an old thread and people asked me if I was riding an air chair.

MarkP
08-03-2004, 10:16 AM
I was going to ask about that air too.. Thought maybe you had a trick ski on at the time;)

jimmer2880
08-03-2004, 12:54 PM
it all happens so fast.... I honestly didn't realize it was that bad till I saw this pic. I don't even notice it on video - only this particular still. Dang..... wonder what the pro's do?:confused:


I thought I was bending my knees.... I know I'm angled away from the boat hard (sometimes the handle touches my knees). Guess I need to bend knees more?

east tx skier
08-03-2004, 02:40 PM
I'm no expert, but the advice I've been given is to keep your knees slightly bent or ready to bend. You don't need to bend them a lot. You just don't want them rigid.

Looking again, it almost looks like you're wheelie'ing as opposed to getting air. My ski was doing this, too, recently and I moved my front boot forward, which solved the problem.

jimmer2880
08-04-2004, 07:24 AM
thx for the advice... But I can't move my boot farther forward without re-drilling. Also - I really don't think I'm wheeling - as if you look closly to the wake, you'll see about a 6" deep trough. When I cut, the water usually breaks somewhere under my front foot.

My guess is that the wheely is coming from the lack of water contact from entering the trough at a high speed. My PS doesn't have much of a wake, but does appear to have 2 distinct troughs. I"m going to have to play with it this week/weekend & see what is happening. :headbang:

I love talking about this stuff! :friday:

east tx skier
08-04-2004, 11:23 AM
It's probably just an odd instance captured on film. When you're riding straight, the water is supposed to break under the ball of your front foot, or so I've been told. What kind of ski is it?

jimmer2880
08-04-2004, 12:02 PM
It's a Goode 9200 (bought it used off of the owner of the boat dealership when I bought my boat ~5 years ago).

In my opinion - it's the best ski out there. Skied my personal best in the course my first set on the ski. Not my first day, but my first set :dance:

Old ski was a Kidder Red-line Kevlar Tunnel bottom design. Hot ski, but not forgiving at all like the Goode.

east tx skier
08-04-2004, 12:04 PM
I've heard nothing but that the Goodes are phenominal skis. I sure like the ski poles! I've heard they do have a little chatter though. Have you experienced this? If not, don't tell my wife. She's finally found a ski she likes and we're tired of horsetrading them.

jimmer2880
08-04-2004, 12:26 PM
The first time I rode a goode - it was an 8000... it seemed to vibrate - don't know if I would call it chatter, but along the same lines.... 1st time I rode that ski I also up'd my personal best.... that's what made me start looking hard to find one used. The 9200 is fathoms beyond the 8000 in terms of engineering. I just skiied their latest & was even better. Better not let your wife see this board. I believe that it's because of their longitudenal flexion & the fact that they are very very torsionally stiff that they are such a great ski. Forgiving but fast. I know that's what I need;)

When I watch myself on video, I can't believe the amount of flexing the ski does at wake crossings.

east tx skier
08-04-2004, 02:26 PM
Cool. It's amazing what some good video will tell you about your skiing. Pretty valuable stuff.

Stritt
08-09-2004, 01:18 PM
03 197 @ 36mph

jbfootin
08-09-2004, 02:35 PM
This is my 2001 19Skier with a stock 4 blade 13x13.This was at 41 mph for us footers. It has an awsome wake for both footin and slalom. Really bummes me out the discontinued this model.

NSXBill
08-09-2004, 03:24 PM
I guess my ski is up like Jimmer's. I never said I was good.

MarkP
08-09-2004, 04:38 PM
Can anyone post a wake shot from an 88 ps190. I saw brads (87) at the beginning of this thread. Do you guys know if that’s the same hul as an 88, or from what year to what year they used that 88 hul??

bradamerry
08-09-2004, 04:45 PM
BrianM, has a 88'. But the hull looks just like mine. It may be the same.

BriEOD
08-09-2004, 05:32 PM
Jim, I think if you lean more it will alleviate your straight up and down stance.

MarkP,

What are you skiing at? :confused:

east tx skier
08-09-2004, 05:44 PM
Or you can adopt my solution and only post pre-turn pictures. :)

MarkP
08-09-2004, 07:02 PM
Brian,

I always try to ski as close to the boat as I can.. No swimming lessons in PA ya know..:o

Seriously depending on the time of day. The longer I’ve been out the longer I let the rope get. So I guess from 15/22 off to all off..

BriEOD
08-09-2004, 07:09 PM
I think you, Jimmer and I would all be pretty suitable ski partners.

jimmer2880
08-10-2004, 05:41 AM
It looks like most of us are at about the same level.... (6balls would be one exception though).

I went out over the weekend (no mid-week skiing last week :cry: ) & skied like I had no muscles in my entire body! That really stunk.

To top it off... we finally were able to start diving for slalom bouy anchors Sunday. The river has been soo muddy all year that Sunday was the first day we could see anything. Only found 10 in 2 hours. :noface: 12 more to go tomorrow night. Then - the entire course is out of wack.... must have been something big that came dragging down the river over the Winter!

Dang - at this rate, I'll never catch up to Sammy Duvall! :purplaugh

Gotta love that course addiction!

betsy&david Harrison
08-11-2004, 05:38 PM
This is our friend Dave skiing behing our '93 MC

absolutofft
08-13-2004, 01:17 PM
1998 sportstar, 1500lb fatseat and 5 people :banana:
http://www.bleepstreet.net/wake.jpg

Farmer Ted
08-13-2004, 06:11 PM
That's a heck of a wake, that's what, almost 2500 pounds of ballast.

What engine/prop are you running?

How far under water was your swim platfrom?

absolutofft
08-13-2004, 06:35 PM
Just the standard 13x13 3 blade prop that came with the boat, 305 chevy v8 260hp. The platform is probably about 3-4 inches under the water at that. I'm gonna raise the platform with some teak blocks for next year.

BriEOD
08-14-2004, 08:16 AM
That's a beautiful sky in the background...

jake
08-15-2004, 01:43 PM
So any pics of the wake for new 197/190?

Sledneck
08-15-2004, 10:31 PM
My wakeboarding wake '87 PS-190 22mph..

Sorry, no pics of the ski wake, cuz there ain't much to see. :D

MarkP
08-16-2004, 09:08 AM
"ain't much to see":uglyhamme !!

Nice wake.

Diesel
09-02-2004, 10:02 AM
Bringing one up from the dead since I found a pic

http://img75.exs.cx/img75/4630/Image138.jpg

Check out that water :banana:

Diesel
09-02-2004, 10:06 AM
Just can't resist. I wish I was here instead of work!!

http://img3.exs.cx/img3/3969/Image698.jpg

east tx skier
09-02-2004, 10:53 AM
Drooling over the glass! Diesel, what year is your 205 (it's a 205, right)?

Footin
09-02-2004, 11:12 AM
That bit o butta make me want wet my feet.

Diesel
09-02-2004, 11:31 AM
Drooling over the glass! Diesel, what year is your 205 (it's a 205, right)?

It be a 95 model 205

JMT
09-08-2004, 09:29 PM
Heading back to the cabin.

MarkP
09-08-2004, 11:44 PM
Nice JMT. Thats not at 36 ? Its slower??

erkoehler
09-08-2004, 11:59 PM
JMT, what model boat is that? Any other pics?

MrsJMT
09-09-2004, 05:48 PM
It's an 04 PS209, we posted a pic under "newbie, show off your boat" thread.

MrsJMT
09-09-2004, 05:49 PM
Oops, sorry MarkP, Jim thinks that was about 20, we were just slowly cruising....

Lake_Tippy_Skier
09-09-2004, 09:05 PM
87 Pro Star 190. 22 mph.

H20skeefreek
09-09-2004, 10:12 PM
87 Pro Star 190. 22 mph.

:headbang: GO BOILERS :headbang:
:toast:

Lake_Tippy_Skier
09-09-2004, 10:17 PM
I think that I smell Roses in the near future! :banana:

MarkP
09-10-2004, 07:27 AM
I smell Roses in the near future:confused:

André
09-10-2004, 07:31 AM
Boilers,football,Rose bowl?

MarkP
09-10-2004, 07:34 AM
Um, I see..:o ...?

André
09-10-2004, 07:43 AM
Mark
Not sure,that's what came to my mind first! I always have to translate then figure out what it could be!
Gotta go.10 hrs drive in front of me.From Sherbrooke to Val D'or ,Québec.Working overtime this week end.Tune ups on 4 giant wood drying kilns.

MarkP
09-10-2004, 08:20 AM
On a Friday, ouch.. Well, be careful..:steering: ..

H20skeefreek
09-10-2004, 06:53 PM
I smell Roses in the near future:confused:

ROSE BOWL BABY!! ROSE BOWL!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

jpattigr
10-07-2004, 12:19 AM
:D It took all summer to remember to take this shot, but tonight i remembered!! :D

André
01-23-2005, 07:23 PM
Came on to this picture tonight of my 94 Prostar wake at 34 mph,22 off.
Very small bump but at 28 off it get's as good as it gets!

BriEOD
01-23-2005, 08:20 PM
Nice shot Andre, I can't wait for warmer weather. It's 27 here right now. :cry:

tpttool
01-25-2005, 05:49 PM
got me a shot of my wake. it is super sweet. by the way it looks a slightly bit bigger with my cherry pie in the back....

André
01-25-2005, 06:00 PM
Toolman
Your new camera is much better.
On the other hand your wake seems a bit ...BIG!!!

MarkP
01-25-2005, 06:46 PM
:D It took all summer to remember to take this shot, but tonight i remembered!! :D

Boy oh boy.. I want a 197:worthy:

Professor
01-25-2005, 06:51 PM
Toolman
Your new camera is much better.
On the other hand your wake seems a bit ...BIG!!!
Looks like the camera was better and Arkansas coastline looks more like...SC?

Farmer Ted
01-25-2005, 08:44 PM
got me a shot of my wake. it is super sweet. by the way it looks a slightly bit bigger with my cherry pie in the back....


Some how I managed to get a holt of a picture of Tools "Fat Sack"

MasterMason
01-25-2005, 08:54 PM
oh now that's just wrong, and I was going to eat dinner in a few minutes too :cry:

JEREMY79
01-25-2005, 09:05 PM
holy s**t
where is the puking smiley??

BriEOD
01-25-2005, 10:04 PM
Dude!!! Now That Is Fowl...way, Way Inappropriate. Brad You Tt Access Will Be Suspended If Anymore Of Those Pop Up. Ughhhh!!!

tpttool
01-25-2005, 10:24 PM
farmer fred! that lady is so hot... i love me the bigger ladies. some meet to grab on too. me you should hang out sometime. i know of a bar with lots of ladies like that here in conway!

sicerely ,

tool man

bradamerry
01-26-2005, 09:01 PM
Dude!!! Now That Is Fowl...way, Way Inappropriate. Brad You Tt Access Will Be Suspended If Anymore Of Those Pop Up. Ughhhh!!!
What did I do, I've been in Houston working :confused: ??

BriEOD
01-26-2005, 09:11 PM
Sorry dude,

That photo was so repugnant all I saw was a Blues Brother and thought it was you.

Hey, Farmer Fred what are you trying to give us nightmares!? If you and TuTu the Toolman wanted to go cruising for hogs keep it to yourselves!!!

UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant:

bradamerry
01-26-2005, 09:13 PM
Sorry dude,

That photo was so repugnant all I saw was a Blues Brother and thought it was you.

Hey, Farmer Fred what are you trying to give us nightmares!? If you and TuTu the Toolman wanted to go cruising for hogs keep it to yourselves!!!

UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant:

TuTu the Toolman :banana: , now that is funny!!!

Farmer Ted
01-27-2005, 12:42 AM
Sorry dude,

That photo was so repugnant all I saw was a Blues Brother and thought it was you.

Hey, Farmer Fred what are you trying to give us nightmares!? If you and TuTu the Toolman wanted to go cruising for hogs keep it to yourselves!!!

UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant:



You know what they say, go ugly early or go home alone

wakesport
01-30-2005, 01:38 AM
I cannot wait until the lakes thaw. Here's a link to one of our last days skiing (Oct 24, 2004). The water was great but cold (55° F). Now there's a foot of ice.

http://personalpages.tds.net/~wakesport/Lake_Monona_Ski.WMV

It is also located on my web site.
http://personalpages.tds.net/~wakesport/

Leroy
01-30-2005, 06:47 AM
Great video especially with the city in the background. Nice shredding if that's you wakesport!

costal190
01-30-2005, 09:01 AM
don't know what speed! Women Drivers!

wakesport
01-30-2005, 09:07 AM
That is me.

kpickett
02-04-2005, 09:18 PM
Here's a picture of my wake taken today on Lake Shasta. I have a '94 Prostar 190 with the LT-1. This is 36 mph, my wife driving.

Kyle

aprgriggs
02-04-2005, 10:26 PM
don't know what speed! Women Drivers!

hey :(

I do all the driving in our family. Actually, I am better than my husband, but of course I would be because it is my boat. :)

I just let him come along for the ride.

MasterMason
02-06-2005, 05:14 PM
Here is my wake taken this morning on the local lake. This is at 36.

André
02-06-2005, 05:42 PM
Nice!
Did you ski?

Edit:Ooops,just read the other thread mentionning that you didn't...

Leroy
02-06-2005, 11:40 PM
Kyle; I think your wife lays a nice wake! I think this is the best I have seen, but maybe it's just because it's a great pix. Good work!



Here's a picture of my wake taken today on Lake Shasta. I have a '94 Prostar 190 with the LT-1. This is 36 mph, my wife driving.

Kyle

kpickett
02-07-2005, 02:17 AM
Kyle; I think your wife lays a nice wake! I think this is the best I have seen, but maybe it's just because it's a great pix. Good work!
Thanks, Leroy.

I love it! As MC used to say, "What wake?"

Professor
02-08-2005, 07:29 PM
Photo quality is fair but here is the wake at 35 mph, water temp 63f, air temp 69. Beautiful day...muddy water.

Farmer Ted
02-08-2005, 08:48 PM
Photo quality is fair but here is the wake at 35 mph, water temp 63f, air temp 69. Beautiful day...muddy water.

Professor,

What prop are you running? I switched from an 13 x 13 OJ 4 Blade to a
13 x 12.65 Acme 3 Blade (CNC) there was something wrong with my 4 blade but the guy at the prop shop said it was in balance and cup but compared to the 3 blade it sucks.

Gonna make a clock out of it.

Winter sucks!

FT

Nice to see a pic of a 98 kept off the bank....

Professor
02-08-2005, 09:19 PM
4- Blade, OJ, 14 x 20.

Footin
02-09-2005, 09:02 AM
Farmer, Why did you go with the 13x12.65 and not the 13x12?
Did it gain any top end? I am debating the 12.65 or the 12 and can not decide. My boat will primarily used for footing.

east tx skier
02-09-2005, 10:24 AM
Footin', until the Hedgehog answers the 12.65 question, I'll mention, since we have basically the same boat that the 13x12 acme resulted in the same top end on my boat (45.5 mph) as I ran with an OEM 13x13 OJ.

Footin
02-09-2005, 11:26 AM
Thanks Doug, it will be interesting what the Hedgehog says. hehehe

MasterMason
02-09-2005, 11:47 AM
Professor, or someone else, can you clue me in about the "roll bar" on your boat, what is it for? Just for looks or does it serve a purpose?

thanks

east tx skier
02-09-2005, 11:54 AM
When coupled with a net, it is to keep the handle from flying back into the boat and hitting the driver in the back of the head.

G-man
02-09-2005, 11:56 AM
MasterMason he is talking he has a fiberglass safety tee top. You don't see to many fiberglass safety tee tops around because it is so hard to move around the boat. They attach to the gunnels and wrap over the boat. you have to duck under them to get from the front seating to the back. There is a photo of one on page two in the showroom section.

Professor
02-09-2005, 12:11 PM
MasterMason he is talking he has a fiberglass safety tee top. You don't see to many fiberglass safety tee tops around because it is so hard to move around the boat. They attach to the gunnels and wrap over the boat. you have to duck under them to get from the front seating to the back. There is a photo of one on page two in the showroom section.
Sorry for the delay MasterMason...I actually have students here sometimes. Yea, I just call it a "roll-bar" for effects. It has web netting to protect the passenger and driver from errant handles of shortline slalom skiers, etc. Generally I do not attach the webbing. It can make moving around the boat more difficult but it is easy to remove. Hey, anytime...for the sake of a widow's son.

Farmer Ted
02-09-2005, 12:52 PM
Farmer, Why did you go with the 13x12.65 and not the 13x12?
Did it gain any top end? I am debating the 12.65 or the 12 and can not decide. My boat will primarily used for footing.

After talking with Jim Thelen at Acme he recommended on the type of boating I do (no ballast, mostly skiing, some wakeboarding and kneeboarding) that the 12.65 would still have a decent hole shot and should get me better fuel economy.

I'm tempted to buy a CNC 4 blade just for $hits and giggles but depending on how sweet of a deal I can get on Perfect Pass the 4 blade will have to wait.

Call Acme and ask to speak to Jim Thelen, he'll ask you a bunch of questions about your boat, motor, and the type of skiing you do and recommend a prop that would fit your profile.

1-888-661-2263

east tx skier
02-09-2005, 02:32 PM
Tim, if you get the four blade, please give us a comparison. I've often mispoke in the past about the purported reason the hole shot on an acme 3 blade is comparable to their four blade. According to the fine folks at SWCC, its due to an increased surface area on their 3 blade as opposed to merely the CNC finishing.

jayderwin1
02-10-2005, 09:18 AM
this is the only pic i got from my new boat, its a windy day in the cold of december and that is a friend of my dads skiing about 32mph :headbang:

mitch
02-10-2005, 09:49 AM
Professor,

What prop are you running? I switched from an 13 x 13 OJ 4 Blade to a
13 x 12.65 Acme 3 Blade (CNC) there was something wrong with my 4 blade but the guy at the prop shop said it was in balance and cup but compared to the 3 blade it sucks.

Gonna make a clock out of it.

Winter sucks!

FT

Nice to see a pic of a 98 kept off the bank....

How do you make a clock out of it? Sounds like a good idea :popcorn:

BrianM
03-26-2005, 02:48 PM
Finally a good picture of my wake with the new prop.

36 mph, 1988 Prostar, Acme #541 13x12, 3370rpm, Crew Weight 370lb, 1/4 tank of gas

André
03-26-2005, 07:03 PM
Brian
Would you say that the wake flatenned or that the rooster tail is smaller than before?
Looks good!
How did it skied?

rem_pss308
03-26-2005, 10:09 PM
acme 543 prop, 22 MPH, 2000 lbs of ballast, Not much for Skiing, but great for Wakeboarding.

BrianM
03-26-2005, 10:15 PM
Brian
Would you say that the wake flatenned or that the rooster tail is smaller than before?
Looks good!
How did it skied?

I don't have any really good before pictures but I can tell you that there used to be some roostertail, now that is gone. Overall the wake is softer and the roostertail is gone at any speed above 30mph.

The boat skied awsome. Hole shot is night and day different. The pull is much firmer than before which when you are in good position seems to get you cross course faster. I love it.

JohnnyB
03-27-2005, 06:58 PM
BrianM, thanks for posting the pic. Can't wait to try my 541!!!! :banana: :banana:

Holtrodj
03-27-2005, 08:50 PM
Brian - did you go from a 13x13? What happened to you top speed / WOT?

BrianM
03-28-2005, 08:09 AM
Brian - did you go from a 13x13? What happened to you top speed / WOT?

Yeah I came from a 13x13 OJ legend. I rarely if ever run the boat WOT. Have not done it with the new prop yet but will let you know when I do. The prop runs about 130 rpm higher at any given speed than the old prop. I expect to see about the same WOT with a slight increase in rpm.

east tx skier
03-28-2005, 12:41 PM
Looks good, Brian. I haven't been to the house since I got back (weekend with relatives). Have you received your OJ to test yet? I'm expecting mine to arrive any day now. Should be an interesting comparison.

MasterCrafting
03-28-2005, 12:46 PM
1992 Prostar 190 About 39-41 hard to tell without a GPS. Running a 13x13 OJ prop.

MasterCrafting
03-28-2005, 12:51 PM
professor, is that a wing above in your shot? If so what does it do? I've always wondered

u29460
04-15-2005, 10:02 AM
2001 PS 190, 1500 pound Fat Seat, 18 mph. Not to bad for a comp ski boat.... :eek:

André
04-15-2005, 10:08 AM
Wow!
I never imagine that a 190 could throw that kind of a wake!!!
Not sure my neighbors would like that,our lake is kind of narrow. 1200 ' max.

u29460
04-15-2005, 11:14 AM
It's a lot of weight in the back. All my slalom buddies make fun of the tower when I am running thought the ski course. They say I have desecrated the boat...... but the kids really love it. :banana:

erkoehler
04-15-2005, 11:22 AM
It looks like you had half the neighborhood in the back of the boat!

east tx skier
04-15-2005, 11:24 AM
Man, I could stare at these boat wake pictures all day.

erkoehler
04-15-2005, 11:27 AM
Makes me want to get back out on the water even more!

The ice is almost gone!!!!! :banana:

u29460
04-15-2005, 01:19 PM
It looks like you had half the neighborhood in the back of the boat!

yeah, I think there were 5 or 6 little kids and 2 adults. you can tell by the wake all the kids were on the left (driver) side of the boat. This was last weekend. The water was 63 degrees. Not bad for how cold it is here in Virginia lately. Just getting the skiing/boarding time in now before the yahoo's take over. :friday:

Ty 73
04-17-2005, 09:57 AM
80 S&S with powerslot, 36 mph, pretty shweet

http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=3206&stc=1

André
04-17-2005, 10:07 AM
The wake in itself is as good as my 94 but the spray is the main difference i think...

MarkP
04-17-2005, 10:10 AM
Nice, Ty.. What lake is that??

sfitzgerald351
04-17-2005, 12:57 PM
Nice wake Ty!

I actually think some of the older MCs have a nicer slalom wake than the newer ones. But Andre you're right... the spray can kill you sometimes. If you have a decent headwind you often can't see where you're going because of all the water coming your way in the air!

erkoehler
04-17-2005, 12:59 PM
Lookin good, that is alot of water though!

Ty 73
04-17-2005, 02:32 PM
Ft. Louden in Knoxville, and yeah, a lot of spray. if you sit in the back it better be in the middle.

sfitzgerald351
04-17-2005, 03:17 PM
Maybe that's why I don't have a back seat from the factory!

Cloaked
04-17-2005, 03:57 PM
Ft. Louden in Knoxville, and yeah, a lot of spray. if you sit in the back it better be in the middle.A few pics of your boat maybe? I like the older models.

I'm down on Watts Bar near Kingston...

Ty 73
04-17-2005, 10:23 PM
sporty, i've never been on watt's bar. i was on norris two weeks ago, just beautiful. here's a pic from last week with the carb off. i wish i had a lake shot...maybe next time out. this boat has been in the family since it left the factory. original everything but the fuel gauge.

http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=3213&stc=1

sfitzgerald351
04-17-2005, 10:29 PM
WOW!!! That's a really great looking boat. Glad to see the family has been taking care of it and enjoying it.

betsy&david Harrison
04-17-2005, 11:23 PM
Beautiful Boat! The spray would kill me...I am a wuss when it comes to spray. That's one reason we sold our '87 MC 190 with a PS. As soon as I skied behind my '93...wow what a difference! No Spray :smile:

erkoehler
04-17-2005, 11:58 PM
Looks great! Is the interior like an off white, or is it faded. It may just be the photo (or my eyes) but it appears like a yellowed color????

jsonova99
04-18-2005, 07:05 AM
pretty boat, I love the fact that the older ones are just as popular as the new ones :)

Ty 73
04-18-2005, 01:31 PM
it's an off white interior, not faded, and thanks for the compliments. it's in great condition with 1270 hours. regular maintenance. waxed once or twice a year. garage kept or boat lift under a cover. it's pulled a skier every year since 80...love it.

bradamerry
08-28-2005, 08:25 PM
The 87' @ 36mph.

erkoehler
08-28-2005, 09:13 PM
Looks good, nice water too!

Holtrodj
08-28-2005, 10:21 PM
Anyone have a pic of the '96 190 ski wake. Mine seems like the troffs on both sides of the wake are bigger. Seems like the boat rides more nose up and back end further in the water than some others causing a deeper troff. Anyone else with the '95-'97 hulls notice this? Anyone ever try to weight the front end down to see if it makes a difference?

It's still a great ski wake, but if I can make it better.... We'll then..

shepherd
08-28-2005, 10:46 PM
My 1990 PS 190 throws up a pretty good spray, but I don't go shortline enough for it to bother me. A buddy once told me he could see the spray from the sides of my boat coming up the river long before he could actually see the boat. That boat's got a real low profile in the water.

RickDV
08-28-2005, 11:14 PM
My 1990 PS 190 throws up a pretty good spray, but I don't go shortline enough for it to bother me. A buddy once told me he could see the spray from the sides of my boat coming up the river long before he could actually see the boat. That boat's got a real low profile in the water.

I have the same boat you do (1990 PS190). I get some spray too. Does this view from the observer position look familiar to you?

east tx skier
08-28-2005, 11:14 PM
Anybody with an early 90s prostar done a spray knock-down mod? I seem to remember hearing of someone doing something like this to a 91-94 prostar. Sort of an add on to the side of the spray relief pocket to knock it down instead of having it come straight up.

stevo137
08-28-2005, 11:16 PM
35' off @ 34 mph.
The spray varies depending on the wind.
The wake is not much of a factor at this point...

erkoehler
08-29-2005, 12:14 AM
Anyone have a pic of the '96 190 ski wake. Mine seems like the troffs on both sides of the wake are bigger. Seems like the boat rides more nose up and back end further in the water than some others causing a deeper troff. Anyone else with the '95-'97 hulls notice this? Anyone ever try to weight the front end down to see if it makes a difference?

It's still a great ski wake, but if I can make it better.... We'll then..

I have just the pics you are looking for :D

32mph

erkoehler
08-29-2005, 12:15 AM
And then again at 36mph :D

shepherd
08-29-2005, 08:10 AM
I have the same boat you do (1990 PS190). I get some spray too. Does this view from the observer position look familiar to you?

Yes. Very familiar.
When were you on my boat??? ;)

Erk, that's a real sweet looking wake (what wake?). Don't think I've ever seen one that flat. I'm jealous.

shepherd
08-29-2005, 08:15 AM
35' off @ 34 mph.
The spray varies depending on the wind.
The wake is not much of a factor at this point...

Stevo... :worthy:

Kickin' *** at 35 off.

(hey, I didn't type *** :confused: )

BarefootOz
08-29-2005, 09:24 AM
1997 Malibu Response LX equipped with the SSP barefoot plate at 36 MPH.

Ric
08-29-2005, 10:10 AM
35' off @ 34 mph.
The spray varies depending on the wind.
The wake is not much of a factor at this point...
:eek: 137 have you not read the warnings that say you can get CO poisoning at those line lengths?!!!

east tx skier
08-29-2005, 10:22 AM
Looks like his camera operator is about to succumb to the fumes.

Ric
08-29-2005, 11:10 AM
Prostar 197 mcx / 1:1 factory oj 4blade CNC prop 34mph

Alteczen
08-29-2005, 11:15 AM
Show off your wake? What wake? I'll post some pics after Labor Day weekend of a "wake".

erkoehler
08-29-2005, 11:59 AM
Yes. Very familiar.
When were you on my boat??? ;)

Erk, that's a real sweet looking wake (what wake?). Don't think I've ever seen one that flat. I'm jealous.



That is the 1996 MC PS 190!

Diesel
08-29-2005, 12:42 PM
The 209 at 32 with 5 people in the boat and gear............

tunedportcj5
08-29-2005, 12:45 PM
The 209 at 32 with 5 people in the boat and gear............

Hey Diesel, what kind of tower speakers are you running?

Diesel
08-29-2005, 01:08 PM
Hey Diesel, what kind of tower speakers are you running?

Fusions............

jraben8
08-29-2005, 01:09 PM
The 209 at 32 with 5 people in the boat and gear............

Diesel,
What lake is that?

Jerry

Diesel
08-29-2005, 01:10 PM
Diesel,
What lake is that?

Jerry

Eufaula, OK

Ric
08-29-2005, 01:12 PM
Fusions............
Nice!
You've probably answered this before but are those being run off a stand alone amplifier and if so, are there built in passive crossovers in them?
oh and how much power to them?

mcprostar197
08-29-2005, 01:14 PM
Those speakers are pretty phat.

Ric
08-29-2005, 01:19 PM
we are sure some pimplefaced threadjackers on this board!!! Sorry to those here to see wakes :uglyhamme

Diesel
08-29-2005, 01:25 PM
Nice!
You've probably answered this before but are those being run off a stand alone amplifier and if so, are there built in passive crossovers in them?
oh and how much power to them?

The crossover is inside the can and only applies to the separates. The 5.25 is a full range speaker and only uses a small diode to filter the high. As a unit the two speakers are wired in parallel creating a 2ohm load. As a result each set only has two source wires. I only have 4 wires, left and right positive and negative going to the tower.

I have one Kicker SX900.4 amp running all my highs and mids. A total of 8 speakers on one 4 channel amp. They all run at 2ohms and the Kicker will deliver 225w per channel. So the pair of tower speakers get 500 watts total with my other four interior speakers also receiving 500 watts. It is a huge amp that will easily pull 135+amps at full crank but the mids absolutely scream................

rodltg2
09-19-2005, 12:48 PM
34mph at the delta, amazingly calm for this area.

ski36short
09-19-2005, 01:07 PM
Finally he sneaks one in!

east tx skier
09-19-2005, 02:34 PM
Rod, that's a wakeboarder's dream! ;) ;) ;)

X-45
09-19-2005, 02:53 PM
Rod, that's a wakeboarder's dream! ;) ;) ;)


:purplaugh

André
09-19-2005, 09:53 PM
Rod
Where's the wake ? :dance:

rodltg2
12-01-2005, 04:11 PM
here it is......

PendO
12-01-2005, 04:24 PM
34mph at the delta, amazingly calm for this area.

That wake has to be from a CC it is sooo small, plus, you can clearly tell the prop is spinning in the opposite way ... did you photoshop your boat into that pic:)

M-Funf
12-01-2005, 04:25 PM
Whoa!!!!! :eek:

SURFS UUUPPP!!!!! :rolleyes:

rodltg2
12-01-2005, 04:26 PM
That wake has to be from a CC it is sooo small, plus, you can clearly tell the prop is spinning in the opposite way ... did you photoshop your boat into that pic:)


pretty funny stuff.

sand2snow22
12-01-2005, 06:19 PM
here it is......

Take the boat and limbs out and you could have fooled me for a wave in the ocean.....

rodltg2
12-01-2005, 07:16 PM
that is actually a bu 247. my buddy sent me this pic. crazy isnt it?

Ric
12-01-2005, 07:35 PM
2005 197, MCX 1:1, 06 Rudder 34mph

sand2snow22
12-01-2005, 07:36 PM
Nice Ric, I like how you got the Mastercraft in there. Looks very flat to me...

stevo137
12-01-2005, 07:37 PM
Nice pic Ric. it looks like they have really reduced the bump at about 22' off.

Leroy
12-01-2005, 09:01 PM
You wimps skiing through bubbles....anybody could ski behind that boat, try it behind a Maristar 230. 8p

88 PS190
12-02-2005, 04:30 PM
Try it behind a 20 foot chris craft I/O that won't stay comfortably on plane... Not only are the wakes high, they're a good 4 feet from peak to peak, you go up, then off. Good crashes though. Its easier to just jump the wakes on those boats.

PendO
12-02-2005, 04:33 PM
2005 197, MCX 1:1, 06 Rudder 34mph

Ric, please tell me that your boat is put away for the winter, I am getting jealous ... there is over a foot of snow in my back yard!

rodltg2
12-02-2005, 04:55 PM
mine isnt , skiing tommorow!

Flatwaterfooter
12-02-2005, 06:33 PM
2005 197, MCX 1:1, 06 Rudder 34mph

Hot dang thats nice

BriEOD
12-02-2005, 08:10 PM
:D Rod just noticed your avatar! LMAO!! Man you like to stir the pot don't you. To funny man. Have a good holiday season.

Ric
12-03-2005, 07:35 AM
Ric, please tell me that your boat is put away for the winter, I am getting jealous ... there is over a foot of snow in my back yard!
I cannot tell a lie, I'd be at the lake right now if I weren't in the office this morning.

Ric
12-03-2005, 09:58 PM
Ric, please tell me that your boat is put away for the winter, I am getting jealous ... there is over a foot of snow in my back yard!
Enjoy the snow Casey!
Skiid today and it was a pretty nice little saturday actually!
I actually ran the boat full throttle for the first time ever, just for your benefit!
With 3 people on board, (me and 2 ladies), 3 skis and a handful of wet wetsuits and life jackets in addition to 18 beers on ice:

43mph on my MC speedo and 41.9mph on my Perfect pass speed. Sorry, I didnt have the GPS along for accuracy but I have calibrated PP to our course, so I'd venture to say it's most accurate

DooSPX
06-28-2006, 04:36 PM
since I noticed a couple threads about wakes....
I thought I would bring this back from the grave!

lets get some new ones !!! :woohoo:

east tx skier
06-28-2006, 04:38 PM
I think I can accomodate you on that one.

bradamerry
06-28-2006, 04:40 PM
looks like mine Eastie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :headbang:

east tx skier
06-28-2006, 04:47 PM
I can't wait, my brutha!

rodltg2
06-28-2006, 04:52 PM
sjk prostar 190 2001 w/ hull and rudder mod...

east tx skier
06-28-2006, 04:55 PM
Tearin' it up!

rodltg2
06-28-2006, 04:56 PM
im sure no one wants to see mine ...

RexDog1
06-28-2006, 05:33 PM
Moved to a new address :toast:

P-hat_in_Cincy
06-28-2006, 07:30 PM
I had been asked in the past about how a slalom wake behind a 205V was. Here's a shot I took earlier this year. I know it doesn't come close to many of the other slaom wakes, so it's more of a FYI...

I'm guessing about 400lbs of people + gear + gas + ???

rodltg2
06-28-2006, 07:38 PM
I had been asked in the past about how a slalom wake behind a 205V was. Here's a shot I took earlier this year. I know it doesn't come close to many of the other slaom wakes, so it's more of a FYI...

I'm guessing about 400lbs of people + gear + gas + ???


:eek: :eek:

wakesport
06-28-2006, 08:41 PM
I posted this video on another thread. But, if you want to see my wake from today, here it is: :steering:


http://personalpages.tds.net/~wakesport/skiing_06_29_06.WMV

P-hat_in_Cincy
06-28-2006, 08:43 PM
:eek: :eek:

I'm assuming that that means it looks huge to you? :D
I guess it's all a matter of perspective. To a slalom dawg it's probably huge. To a wakeboarder it's tiny.

rodltg2
06-28-2006, 08:46 PM
its actaully not bad for a v drive...

Leroy
06-28-2006, 09:03 PM
What speed?



I had been asked in the past about how a slalom wake behind a 205V was. Here's a shot I took earlier this year. I know it doesn't come close to many of the other slaom wakes, so it's more of a FYI...

I'm guessing about 400lbs of people + gear + gas + ???

P-hat_in_Cincy
06-28-2006, 09:26 PM
Leroy,
I don't exactly recall. I'll guess lower 30's?

BrianM
06-29-2006, 08:21 AM
I had been asked in the past about how a slalom wake behind a 205V was. Here's a shot I took earlier this year. I know it doesn't come close to many of the other slaom wakes, so it's more of a FYI...

I'm guessing about 400lbs of people + gear + gas + ???

Doesn't look bad at all for a vdrive. I'd ski it.

Ric
06-29-2006, 08:31 AM
im sure no one wants to see mine ...
IF you are referring to your babblyboo wake, I want to see it. If not then NO!

bucky
06-29-2006, 08:50 AM
36 mph. .

schmaltzy
06-29-2006, 09:44 AM
My buddy Sturgis behind his '92 ps190 - Taken in March in Utah a few years ago.

bucky
06-29-2006, 09:50 AM
Is that snow in your wake or foam?:eek:

DooSPX
06-29-2006, 10:03 AM
schmaltzy, what prop is that on the 92?
rooster tail is nice and low ???

schmaltzy
06-29-2006, 10:17 AM
schmaltzy, what prop is that on the 92?
rooster tail is nice and low ???

I don't know. He has since moved to Denver, CO - but he has recently signed up on this website. Maybe we should have a shout out for Sturgis in Denver to answer your question.

bucky
03-18-2008, 05:26 AM
55 degree water, 20 mph wind, at the open north end of Broken Bow lake. Didn't ski, but it sure beat the crud out of a day watching t.v.

coz
03-18-2008, 08:19 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2284/2190817522_2a5ab62b63_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2057/2190999548_da8b9c2d91_b.jpg

Click the pic for full size. :D

TMCNo1
03-18-2008, 09:12 AM
'89 PS 190 @ 34mph,
32558

Monte
03-18-2008, 09:14 AM
'89 PS 190 @ 34mph,
32558

Great photoshop job Harold:rolleyes: We all know your boat has never been in the water8p <<<<< Joking Joking

TMCNo1
03-18-2008, 09:27 AM
Great photoshop job Harold:rolleyes: We all know your boat has never been in the water8p <<<<< Joking Joking


I just hate taking pictures of it in the museum, then photoshopping it onto a wakeboard boats wake @ 60 mph, it's a PITA!:rolleyes: :D

Ric
03-18-2008, 12:10 PM
Good thread, Good thread