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Nick911
11-28-2012, 10:54 PM
Anyone know if I can get/buy/acquire a side boom for a X25? Be a good way to get the kids boardin'.

Latin Flyer
11-28-2012, 11:06 PM
I dont see why not. I have it on my x2

Nick911
11-28-2012, 11:51 PM
Where can I get it, where does it mount? Do I need the BTS windshield to use it?

GoneBoatN
11-29-2012, 02:27 AM
How old are the kids? I would think a side boom would not be necessary and if anything might make it harder.

My daughter learned at 8 years old. She was out of the water on the 2nd attempt. The only reason she started that late is it was the first year we had a boat. I've taught a quite a few of 11-12 year olds because I run a watersports outing for our Boy Scout trip. Typically they are up and running on the board on about the third pull.

There have been a couple of posts this past summer of quite young kids who started wakeboarding. With the light weights you only have to go about 10 MPH (even less if really small) and they pop out of the water like corks. With a PFD on they are basically already on top of the water. A very soft and gradual start as it does not take much to get them up from a deep water start. One time I was chatting with another adult on the boat and was distracted when I had the boat in forward gear but at an idle. One of the other kids in the boat told me to give it some gas as the kid was up on the board behind the boat and I did not even realize it. Then they need to learn to turn the board without stuffing the leading edge in the water. Again, a slow speed so they don't feel they have to be in any hurry to stand up and turn the board. Hip to the handle to get the board to run straight and to stay between the wakes. After that it is just time, practice, getting good body position, etc. Oh, shorten up the rope so that they are just outside the prop wash. The extra up angle of the shorten rope helps pull them up out of the water. Also with the slower boat speed the nice spot in the wake will be quite a bit farther in towards the boat. Only tell them one thing at a time to correct. Also, have only one person telling them that one thing. Hitting them with too many things at one time just frustrates them. A little bit of time and patience is all it takes.

You might want to think twice about starting them on a crutch that they might not want to give up so easily. It might end up hindering their progress.

Now if you want to barefoot, that might be a different story ... but that is not my cup of tea.

Just some thoughts...

Nick911
11-29-2012, 09:21 AM
Kids are 4 and 3. I've seen people put the kids on the poles with 4-6' of rope, enough to simulate being pulled by the boat without the chop or wake to worry about.

jkski
11-29-2012, 09:46 AM
Go to the Barefoot International website and you will find exactly what you need. You can always call and talk to Lane Bowers or Mike Seipel about any questions you may have but these booms are the best in my opinion.

Nick911
11-29-2012, 11:05 AM
Go to the Barefoot International website and you will find exactly what you need. You can always call and talk to Lane Bowers or Mike Seipel about any questions you may have but these booms are the best in my opinion.

"Aren't the best" quality wise? For training? The kids are 4 and 3, better to get them behind boat now then in 3 or 4 years from now.

GoneBoatN
11-29-2012, 12:00 PM
Kids are 4 and 3. I've seen people put the kids on the poles with 4-6' of rope, enough to simulate being pulled by the boat without the chop or wake to worry about.

Here's the post that I was think of from earlier this year. http://mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=49818

Hope to see a video of your kids wakeboarding next summer! Funny to think of kids starting at 3&4 when I started at 49. How I wish I started young...

jkski
11-29-2012, 12:11 PM
"Aren't the best" quality wise? For training? The kids are 4 and 3, better to get them behind boat now then in 3 or 4 years from now.

From a quality standpoint and a training standpoint I would not trust any other brand than a BF International. I have owned other brands and they just do not seem as well built, in my opinion. BF International uses a very well built pylon clamp and a 2 cable system to the bow, which to me are 2 key things to creating the safety factor. We have had 3 good size guys (200lbs each) barefooting on one of these booms at the same time without issue....I would not want to try that with any other brand.

When my son is old enough, he will be learning on a Barefoot International boom.

Nick911
11-29-2012, 11:10 PM
Great thanks will order it ASAP.

madcityskier
11-30-2012, 12:32 AM
I will say that the boom is a great learning tool, and I've never seen the kid who learned on one who wasn't dying to get behind the boat like Mom and Dad.
That said, the sideways stance of a wakeboard seems very awkward with a fixed bar. We've had much better luck teaching kids to wakeboard behind the boat. Have them put the board against the back of the platform, get them to ball up, and pull the rope to get them a feel for the way the board will feel when they should start to stand up. Hook them to the tower or extended pole (if you have one) on a short rope so you can talk to them from the back of the boat as they're getting up. Once they're up and riding, a little quick coaching, and the next time give them a little more rope.
This is a small sample size and your results may vary.

Nick911
11-30-2012, 12:48 AM
My plan would be to have them holding onto a rope 6 feet back from the boom.

jason95gt
11-30-2012, 12:42 PM
We have a tower boom in stock if you are interested. Let me know.

Nick911
11-30-2012, 06:26 PM
Talked to BFI today. They have two models that will work, one that attaches to the tower and another that attaches to the ski pylon. Which is better? Pros and cons?

jkski
12-01-2012, 01:57 AM
Here is my 2 cents for what it is worth:
While the tower booms seem like a good idea, it appears to put a great deal of stress on the tower itself and side torque on the boat (with the main attachment point to the boat being further out as opposed to the center/rear pylon). Obviously they have tested these things so they know they are fine but the set-up and removal of a tower boom while on the water is going to be more difficult than the one which simply attaches to your pylon. Also, consider re-sale value, if ever you were to no longer need/want it. A boom which attaches to your pylon is likely going to work on several boat models, I am not sure the same can be said for those which attach to towers as there are so many different tower configurations out there.
One upside to the tower boom is that it is completely outside of your boat.

Again, this is just my observation and others may have different opinions/arguments. Good luck, either way going with a BFI product and the customer service of Seipel and Bowers is good.

Jerseydave
12-01-2012, 12:08 PM
My $.02

I've had pylon mounted booms on both a DD and a V-drive. They are fine on a DD, but on my old Maristar 230 there was too much spray off the boat at slower speeds because the pylon on a V-drive is so far back. I think a tower mounted boom will work better for slow speeds like wakeboarding. It's the easiest way to teach someone, but once they are up and riding get them back behind the boat on a short line for their next set before they get dependent on the solid feel of the boom.

Nick911
12-01-2012, 01:08 PM
Seipel is who I talked to he said the tower boom is tested and solid whereas the pylon mount may not be as solid. He also said I will be unable to remove the tower mount pole while on the water, whereas the pylon one is easily removed from the boat.

Jerseydave
12-01-2012, 03:30 PM
Seipel is who I talked to he said the tower boom is tested and solid whereas the pylon mount may not be as solid. He also said I will be unable to remove the tower mount pole while on the water, whereas the pylon one is easily removed from the boat.

All true, Siepel is the authority on booms.
It all depends on your situation, but if you have a dock you can pull up to and remove the tower boom when you're done using it I still think that's the best option.
Looks plenty strong to me!

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Forrest-X45
12-03-2012, 05:46 PM
Seipel is who I talked to he said the tower boom is tested and solid whereas the pylon mount may not be as solid. He also said I will be unable to remove the tower mount pole while on the water, whereas the pylon one is easily removed from the boat.

The tower boom in question is for the old 4 point towers, not for the current two point towers? Last time I spoke to Seipel this past summer they had no plans for a tower boom for the current two point towers.

BTW - I install/remove my tower boom on the water all the time. It takes two guys but you can do it. It helps to have a third to carefully hand you the hitch pins. :)

Nick911
12-03-2012, 05:50 PM
The tower boom in question is for the old 4 point towers, not for the current two point towers? Last time I spoke to Seipel this past summer they had no plans for a tower boom for the current two point towers.

BTW - I install/remove my tower boom on the water all the time. It takes two guys but you can do it. It helps to have a third to carefully hand you the hitch pins. :)

The boom in question fits the ZFT4 as per Mike. There is a video on YouTube showing install on ZFT-2.