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rtw_travel
11-27-2012, 03:49 PM
Just to be clear - I am not affiliated with Fender Pro in any way...

You may have seen the recent thread where someone mentioned that Phender Pro are being used by Cobalt and now available on MasterCraft. They are cool looking fender mounts.
http://www.bigskyprecision.com/PhenderPro.php , or see the attached brochure.


I've contacted them, and yes, they're happy to do a group buy at good discount. All we need to do is buy 20 clips between the group - so 3 or 4 boat's worth.

I've attached their brochure below. It is the cadillac of fender clips, and priced accordingly.

Here's what you need to know
1) we cannot get the mastercraft logo on them unless you buy them through mastercraft.
2) for each fender, you need to buy two pieces - the pin (with or without rope to attach fender), and the retrofit receiver
3) the discounted price for the pin is $XX.XX without rope and $YY.YY with rope.
4) the discounted price for the receiver is $ZZ.ZZ
5) on top of that, you need the special tool shown in the video to install them at $16 for the tool. It is reuseable for multiple installations, so you can share it with a team talk friend. You'll also need a 3/8" allen wrench.
6) This is still expensive. I would consider I need 6 clips for my boat, and I'd do my own fender lines. So the total for my three fenders in 6 locations (i.e. 3 on each side of the boat) would be ($XX.XX* 3 + $ZZ.ZZ * 6) + 16 = $AAA.AA plus shipping.
7) Installation looks fairly simple, although its not for the faint of heart - you'll need to drill 1" holes in your boat and not hit cables/ wires/ structural supports for the tower. See their video here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7sw5XEBDAA
8) The group buy is the easy part. When we get to 3 or 4 boat's worth, we'll each contact the manufacturer and put in our own order to be shipped to our own address. They'll ship when they get the required minimum and bill you the discounted price.


So please ask questions on the phender pro. I'll accumulate them and then get the manufacturer to answer them. If you're interested in buying, please post and I'll start a list. We'll put the orders in when it makes sense to do so - not sure if this is before or after Christmas.

By the way - someone posted that the price for the MC version was $116. Can anyone check with Mastercraft to see if this was the pin only, or the pin plus receiver? Somehow I think its the pin only. I guess there's nothing stopping anyone form buying the receiver here, and the pin from mastercraft if you want the logo.

Schrade
11-27-2012, 04:09 PM
Does anyone have a picture with the rope attached?

thatsmrmastercraft
11-27-2012, 04:11 PM
I'm sure one of the mods will be along to discuss how we can't do a group buy through this site. Too bad...looks like an interesting product.

Schrade
11-27-2012, 04:21 PM
I'm in!

ahhudgins
11-27-2012, 05:06 PM
I knew it was out of my price range because I had to Google "...polished and passivated":rolleyes:

BrooksfamX2
11-27-2012, 05:06 PM
Does anyone have a picture with the rope attached?

picture of the MC version......

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=86814&stc=1&d=1353507247

stt
11-27-2012, 05:08 PM
I'm in also.

jgraham37128
11-27-2012, 05:18 PM
Another option is to see if a Mastercraft dealer would sell them to us as a group price? Maybe call it the Team Talk Christmas gift!

jakethebt
11-27-2012, 05:43 PM
I would be interested in this if it we not against the rules. ;)

MattsCraft
11-27-2012, 05:51 PM
I'd be interested, but my boat is for sale, getting them on the new one.:D

CantRepeat
11-27-2012, 05:54 PM
picture of the MC version......

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=86814&stc=1&d=1353507247

Those are pretty nice. I wouldn't mind putting a couple of those on my boat.

jakethebt
11-29-2012, 07:18 PM
Has anyone actually used these for their intended purpose? How well do they work? Do they hold up pretty well? Do you have concerns they will pop out at night?

pram
11-29-2012, 07:40 PM
I had these same questions in my head when I was looking at them. Also, how do they stop the water from going into the boat? It appears (unless I am not looking at them correct), that they are hollow all the way through?

rtw_travel
11-29-2012, 11:43 PM
I had these same questions in my head when I was looking at them. Also, how do they stop the water from going into the boat? It appears (unless I am not looking at them correct), that they are hollow all the way through?

I suspect they would allow water in the boat with the fender removed. But they are mounted above the rub strip, so the likelihood of getting significant water there is pretty small.

rtw_travel
11-29-2012, 11:46 PM
Has anyone actually used these for their intended purpose? How well do they work? Do they hold up pretty well? Do you have concerns they will pop out at night?

Good questions. I take a lot of comfort that they are used on Cobalt boats and have a three year warranty... but if anyone uses these, please post your experience

rtw_travel
12-01-2012, 07:16 PM
MC Info
I've called a couple of MC dealers. They don't know much about them because they are brand new and they have not seen any in person. In fact, I'd say we know more about them because of the info we've got from the manufacturer. I've had prices quoted from $124 to $104 for the MC versions. This is both the pin and receiver. There are 50 in stock at MC, so delivery is not an issue.

Of the total $124 price quote for MC, it's $71 for the pin with the mastercraft logo and $53 for the receiver. The other MC dealers had no idea that the one part was in fact two parts.

Phender Pro Info
For a flat $200 charge, Phender Pro will produce pins with our own choice of graphics. I had thought a single large star (like an S&S) would be both cool and not contravene any copyright or trademark. However we need to provide an order of 200 @$XX.XX each + the $200 design charge before they'd do the custom graphics. We have a number of boats interested, but I think we'll never get to 200 pins based on current interest.

So the group buy ones will have the Phender Pro logo in it. This is shown on their website and brochure). if we buy 200 they we can opt for no logo and just have plain polished stainless.

Installation
My boat is in storage a long way frmo here, so I did drop into my local MC today. After walking around the display boats, I'm pretty sure that I'll be able to install these in my X-14V without using the special tool: you need to be able to hold the inside nut while screwing the receiver from the outside. Here's what I found for fenders located:
1) in the rear. Enter through the storage compartment (easy).
2) in the middle in front of the tower - enter by removing the speaker (I think it will be easy)
3) in the front... by either removing the speaker or one of the seat side/ back cushions . The front certainly could be difficult.

There are a few wires and cables, and the mounting bracket for the tower that I'll have to work around, but it doesn't seem that bad. When I order, I won't order the special tool.


Longevity
http://www.cobaltboats.com/v12/outfit_your_cobalt/index.php
http://www.cobaltboats.com/v12/why_cobalt/newest_innovations/index.html# (click on the fender link)

I've looked and have not found any reviews, complaints or feedback on these clips anywhere. They seem to be relatively new to cobalt (2012?) . THere are a few competitors similar in principal, but they don't look nearly as nice and I wouldnt buy them.

Group Buy
We have almost enough for a group buy, so if you're interested, let me know via pm. I need one or two more boats.

Thanks

MattsCraft
12-02-2012, 08:38 AM
Good questions. I take a lot of comfort that they are used on Cobalt boats and have a three year warranty... but if anyone uses these, please post your experience
They won't fall out, it has a push/locking pin and rubber grommet. You place 2 fingers behind the pin and push the logo portion of the button, this releases the locking pin. As far as getting water in the boat when removed, they are placed above the rub rail, any splash etc. would just run to the bilge, don't see this as being any issue at all.

I think it is one of the best engineered systems out there, nice part is you set your fenders once and forget it, plus no dealing with ropes sharing your cleats.:D

jakethebt
12-02-2012, 09:41 AM
I wonder if we could buff or polish the phender pro off if we wanted and just have polished SS?

jakethebt
12-02-2012, 10:50 AM
The other question that I have is how many are on a new prostar? Just trying to figure out if 2 or 3 is needed per side.

MattsCraft
12-02-2012, 11:55 AM
I would think 2/side on any boat would be sufficient, aft and mid-ship at the widest point. On my X2 we use one aft and one tied off on the front tower leg, forward of that has no purpose.:D Bow cleat is only used for tie off point.

BrooksfamX2
12-02-2012, 12:23 PM
I would think 2/side on any boat would be sufficient, aft and mid-ship at the widest point. On my X2 we use one aft and one tied off on the front tower leg, forward of that has no purpose.:D Bow cleat is only used for tie off point.

agreed, 2 each side should do it, if properly located........

JDC
12-02-2012, 01:32 PM
I wonder if we could buff or polish the phender pro off if we wanted and just have polished SS?Plain would be my preference as well. The logo looks etched into the SS so it would probably take some work to get to clean metal.

What about getting them with the OEM version receiver? That brass nut threaded portion on the retrofit version looks pretty thin, IMO. The regular nut would be much stronger, and it may even cost less.

rtw_travel
12-02-2012, 05:34 PM
You can choose either the brass 'retrofit' receiver or the 'oem' receiver. It's your choice at the time you put in the order. The price is the same between teh two of them.

I can ask again if they can do a special for us with the plain (i.e. no logo) buttons. The last time he said he'd do it if we put in an order for 200. The worst they can do is say 'no'.

rtw_travel
12-02-2012, 05:43 PM
I would think 2/side on any boat would be sufficient, aft and mid-ship at the widest point. On my X2 we use one aft and one tied off on the front tower leg, forward of that has no purpose.:D Bow cleat is only used for tie off point.

I agree 2 is sufficient... unless you tie a rear line too loose or don't dock properly... or someone else's boat rafts on to yours and they don't dock or tie on properly. I think I'll be buying the third for insurance & piece of mind, and mount it somewhere just forward of the windshield but YMMV.

rtw_travel
12-04-2012, 12:57 PM
We have our group and will be putting in the order this week. Its not too late! If you are interested in getting in on it, please PM me within the next day or two.

Thanks to the moderators for allowing this thread to continue. :)

FYI - I'll be editing my old posts to remove the prices to protect the manufacturer's wholesale pricing info.

For the future, if anyone is reading this thread and is interested in organizing their own group buy, please PM me and I'll give you the contact info.

thatsmrmastercraft
12-04-2012, 01:18 PM
We have our group and will be putting in the order this week. Its not too late! If you are interested in getting in on it, please PM me within the next day or two.

Thanks to the moderators for allowing this thread to continue. :)

FYI - I'll be editing my old posts to remove the prices to protect the manufacturer's wholesale pricing info.

For the future, if anyone is reading this thread and is interested in organizing their own group buy, please PM me and I'll give you the contact info.

Job well done. Hope this leaves the door open for future opportunities.

rtw_travel
09-16-2013, 01:24 PM
I just installed these. There is a write-up here
http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=57411