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SWGA Boater
11-03-2012, 09:46 AM
Been searching for a S&S project for a few months. I have located a boat that is about 4.5 hours away and have only seen pictures of the boat. Boat is a 1980 and appears to be in fair to good condition. Known issues are rot at the motor mounts, very small crack in windshield, minor gel coat gouge (happened at same time), shaft will also need replacement. Owner stated that floor has been replaced and stringers were good (?). Not sure when the floor was replaced why the motor mount work was not done. Gel coat will need the repair and some work to bring back the shine (possibly wet sand). Motor and trans are to be in good repair. Upholstery needs a few new skins--passenger seat, motor box, side pads.

My thoughts are that repairing rot to motor mounts will most likely lead to stringer replacement and new floor/carpet. Doing the work myself, between stringers (if needed)/floor and shaft and other, I'm looking at putting 2-4,000 into the boat.

Owner is asking 3,300. I told him I was comfortable at around 1,600 but no bite on that. Is my offer way off, or should I keep looking?

Thanks for you help. Also if you know of any S&S or late 80s ProStar project boat in the Southeast please let me know. Have the cash and willing to travel to find the right boat.

Thanks.

Traxx822
11-03-2012, 10:39 AM
I think you're right on. No higher than two k

SWGA Boater
11-03-2012, 10:58 AM
Thanks Traxx. I do not want to lowball anyone and try to respect their asking price, but I have seen some crazy asking prices for boats that need alot of work.

madcityskier
11-03-2012, 11:36 AM
In my world what you offered us the high upper end. Keep looking.
My opinion, others may vary.

03geetee
11-03-2012, 01:01 PM
In my world what you offered us the high upper end. Keep looking.
My opinion, others may vary.

^This.

You should be able to find a boat for that kinda money that needs one of the following not all:

Interior work
Gel Coat work (buffing/decal replacement)
Floor/stringer work

Keep looking there is more out there.

JTR

Traxx822
11-03-2012, 02:52 PM
I was under the impression it didnt need all that work. Only possible. Without photos its hard to apprais it though

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TxsRiverRat
11-03-2012, 03:46 PM
Not to mention the cracked windshield - there's no replacement glass available

madcityskier
11-03-2012, 03:49 PM
One online on the MasterCraft Project. I think it would fit this year, but I could be wrong (it's happened before), you'd have to measure.

phickman
11-03-2012, 08:58 PM
Nice looking boat....needs lifter work.....Looks like wet sanding, new decals and a pinstripe and you are set. I would jump on this if I was not restoring my 1970. http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/boa/3338282154.html Happy to check it out for you and be some local eyes. Let me know...PM me if you need me to look at it.

SWGA Boater
11-03-2012, 09:43 PM
Thanks for all the replies. Phickman--I saw the Chattanooga boat just a few minutes ago. Going to try and email about the boat as there is no number. Thanks for the offer to windshield the boat. I'll PM you if I worksomething out.

bturner2
11-04-2012, 07:52 AM
Would agree on the price people are asking for these boats has definitely gone up and most are not moving much on offers. I guess that's a good thing if you already have a boat.

Here's a couple by me that are pretty much done and I've seen quite a few others in that price range in very condition going for about the same. 3.3 is a ton of money for a boat with questionable stringers and needs an interior. Keep looking unless you're just looking for a hobby you can dump time/cash into.....

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/boa/3359897561.html

Near perfect one for 7...

http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/boa/3355660872.html

GoneBoatN
11-04-2012, 11:44 AM
... rot at the motor mounts, ...Owner stated that floor has been replaced and stringers were good (?). Not sure when the floor was replaced why the motor mount work was not done.... ... I'm looking at putting 2-4,000 into the boat.

...or should I keep looking?



IMO smells fishy, keep looking.

If the motor mounts are rotted then where they are attached to the stringers will almost certainly be damaged as well. It is very hard to tell the extent of the damage until you start ripping it out and see how far you have to go. Although it is possible to splice in a new section of stringer if only a portion is damaged. The fact that they did not do this when replacing the floor makes it all the more suspect. When he removed the floor he would have only seen the top of the stringers, rot would have started from the bottom. Why take the chance if it just does not seem right.

501s
11-04-2012, 01:14 PM
Tha one listed above for $7k looks MINT!

SWGA Boater
11-05-2012, 01:00 PM
Going to look at an 80 S&S this afternoon. Keeping fingers crossed about floor/stringers.

SWGA Boater
11-06-2012, 06:26 AM
8 hour round trip was a bust. :mad: Boat was extremely rough and looked as if it had some type of botttom repair done at some time. I could tell something had been done around rudder. Would have needed some extensive gel coat work. Full gut on interior. Inside had been hacked for speakers/radio. Trailer and fenders were in same condition--bad repair, cracked, extremely rusted. Guy had mislead me the night before saying the trailer was road worthy. Lights didn't even work on the trailer. Have to keep looking.

phickman
11-11-2012, 07:31 PM
See if this one is still around....fairly limited production due to it being first generation. Sweet old ski tug. I like the price...movie link on you tube as well. Wetsanding and new decals and she might be stellar. From my experience the stringers held up much better in the first generation boats vs the second generation 1977-83. Less wood under the floor for the water to attack...no foam to hold water....and the fiberglass on the ones I have restored is thick as heck. This is a reasonable drive for me if you want me to check it out for you. http://shoals.craigslist.org/boa/3356436837.html

SWGA Boater
11-12-2012, 09:11 AM
The TN boat looks really clean. I wish it had a rear platform. Any idea if a later gen platform would fit? I looked at a 78 on Saturday that I almost brought home. Needed floor and stringers and full interior. Needed wet sanding / buff. Had quite a few gel coat chips and spider cracks that would need attention. Boat was the tan and chocolate Coloro scheme. It it would have been red blue.or black I would have brought it home. Transom eye rings seemed really loose. May have had some rot there also. Still looking. I emailed the guy with the boat with the lifter tick. Told him it was a long way to go and how much negotion is there in price but he didn'tget back with me.

h2oskifreak
11-12-2012, 09:43 AM
The TN boat looks really clean. I wish it had a rear platform. Any idea if a later gen platform would fit? I looked at a 78 on Saturday that I almost brought home. Needed floor and stringers and full interior. Needed wet sanding / buff. Had quite a few gel coat chips and spider cracks that would need attention. Boat was the tan and chocolate Coloro scheme. It it would have been red blue.or black I would have brought it home. Transom eye rings seemed really loose. May have had some rot there also. Still looking. I emailed the guy with the boat with the lifter tick. Told him it was a long way to go and how much negotion is there in price but he didn'tget back with me.

I have a 75 S n S that is every bit as clean (if not more) w/ a platform installed. It isn't cheap to fabricate and install one on these boats. I'm guessing I have $800 + in my platform. I bought a 94 PS 190ast April and didn't use my classic at all last year, so it might be time to sell her. I live in Western CO, PM me if your interested and we can start w/ photos etc.

mondos829
11-12-2012, 09:59 AM
See if this one is still around....fairly limited production due to it being first generation. Sweet old ski tug. I like the price...movie link on you tube as well. Wetsanding and new decals and she might be stellar. From my experience the stringers held up much better in the first generation boats vs the second generation 1977-83. Less wood under the floor for the water to attack...no foam to hold water....and the fiberglass on the ones I have restored is thick as heck. This is a reasonable drive for me if you want me to check it out for you. http://shoals.craigslist.org/boa/3356436837.html

Are those seats installed right. Looks to be blocking glove box?

phickman
11-12-2012, 04:43 PM
yes....that is proper with that seat configuration. My 73 has a factory early wrap around seat. The basic interior like this is proper.

phickman
11-12-2012, 04:45 PM
The TN boat looks really clean. I wish it had a rear platform. Any idea if a later gen platform would fit? I looked at a 78 on Saturday that I almost brought home. Needed floor and stringers and full interior. Needed wet sanding / buff. Had quite a few gel coat chips and spider cracks that would need attention. Boat was the tan and chocolate Coloro scheme. It it would have been red blue.or black I would have brought it home. Transom eye rings seemed really loose. May have had some rot there also. Still looking. I emailed the guy with the boat with the lifter tick. Told him it was a long way to go and how much negotion is there in price but he didn'tget back with me.


Spider cracks equal rotten stringers from my experience...pain in the but to fix too. Walk on.

ttu
11-12-2012, 04:46 PM
http://fayar.craigslist.org/boa/3316570865.html

SWGA Boater
11-12-2012, 07:44 PM
http://fayar.craigslist.org/boa/3316570865.html

Man, I wish that boat was closer to home. My wife would kill me if I drove to Arkansas to buy a boat. If floor and stringers were good, and he would meet halfway, that would be a different story.:)

03geetee
11-12-2012, 08:12 PM
http://fayar.craigslist.org/boa/3316570865.html

Nice boat!

JTR

ttu
11-12-2012, 08:16 PM
Man, I wish that boat was closer to home. My wife would kill me if I drove to Arkansas to buy a boat. If floor and stringers were good, and he would meet halfway, that would be a different story.:)


i saw it last week and thought about posting it under your thread but knew the distance might be a issue. i am pretty sure there are some members here on our board that could go and inspect it for you to give you a good idea of it's condition stringer wise.

phickman
11-14-2012, 09:33 PM
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/boa/3300211036.html No wood.....solve a lot of issues. Even a clear throttle handle...LOL

SWGA Boater
11-14-2012, 09:56 PM
Would have been a nice boat but it is sold. I checked on it a few weeks ago. Still on the prowl...

SWGA Boater
11-16-2012, 09:10 PM
Fingers crossed....I just put a deposit down to hold a 77 until I can look at it on Sunday.

SWGA Boater
11-19-2012, 10:06 AM
Bought the 77 last night! It has been sitting in the weather for the last two years, so it needs a bath. Hull is in the best shape of all the ones I looked at, only two minor gel coat dings below water line and and a small area on both gunnels with some minor spider cracking. Bottom of the hull is in awesome shape for a 35 year old boat. Floor is needed and most likely stringers, but I'm OK with that and knew it going in. Hope to at least fire her up by the weekend. Going to clean her out and give her a bath today. I hope to post some "clean" pictures tonight. I know it is a long shot but how hard will it be to find a right fender? Left is almost perfect, but a blow out in the past tore the right fender to shreds.

http://ajphoto.zenfolio.com/img/s4/v69/p1277617770-4.jpg

h2oskifreak
11-19-2012, 12:49 PM
Is it really a "Master Raft".

mzimme
11-19-2012, 01:03 PM
Is it really a "Master Raft".

It's the chinese version.... the "Raster Raft" :D

Congrats on the purchase!

SP Maristar
11-19-2012, 01:09 PM
Congratulations on the new boat. I, as well as the rest of the TT bunch, will be anxiously awaiting progress photos as you bring her back to her former glory.

broncotw
11-19-2012, 02:44 PM
Can't wait to see pictures of this boat cleaned up...

Cloaked
11-19-2012, 04:28 PM
..how hard will it be to find a right fender? Left is almost perfect, but a blow out in the past tore the right fender to shreds.

Hard to locate the fenders. There is a thread here where a guy repaired one for his trailer, however it was not that far gone. I could see where you could use the part that is there (other side) and the design intent of the other one, and repair that one. The member here did an excellent job with material and patience.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=35541

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SWGA Boater
11-19-2012, 11:03 PM
Started cleaning out boat. Will do some more tomorrow and will post some more pictures. I am probably going to start a new restore thread fairly soon. Where do I start with regards to cranking the motor? It has not been ran in almost two years. Gas tank appears full so that is going to be a problem. Any advice or links to cranking and running on land are appreciated. Not exactly sure how to hook my water up. Anyone out there have the Escort motor? Newbie to inboards but I am mechanically inclined.
Thanks.
Ansley

mondos829
11-19-2012, 11:12 PM
I just bought a 76 last may. Nice looking project

SSMoose
03-28-2013, 09:56 PM
Bump. This is a decent thread. Lets get it going again