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cas17013
11-01-2012, 05:07 PM
Still being new to the site, I hope this does not upset the purists out there, but I thought I would post my plans, and progress of my Tristar 220 refurbish/modification. If my post is out of place, or off topic I will gladly move, or remove it.

The story begins with me trolling Craigslist for a derilect boat with a good motor to rebuild a Chris Craft I want to restore. I found the Mastercraft about 100 miles away floating in a slip that needed removed for the season. It was a $1 deal, so it was basicaly free. Talked to the guy, and the boat sounded neglected, but he seemed to keep the mechanicals reasonably maintained. Just this spring it had new manifolds/risers, new Holley carb, new impeller, rebuilt alt., etc. I was excited, it sounded just like what I was looking for, and almost to good to be true.

There was one small problem, the starter solenoid was going out, and it was unlikely to start. This was compounded by the fact it was on the water, and the nearest ramp was about 3/4 of a mile away at the next marina. I only had a small window of time to get it, and not enough time to order a new starter, so I made a small transom bracket that I could lash onto the swim platform. I have a 3.5 hp outboard for my zodiac, that I mounted to the transom bracket, and was able to slowly motor over to the next marina, and it's ramp. Thankfully there was only a few people on the water at the time, but the ones that were there seemed to get a kick out of my 3.5 hp ski boat. I had a little problem getting it on the trailer I had to use, but after I removed the rear rollers to clear the prop, I was on the road, and made it home without issue.

I have had it for about a week now, and I made the easy decision after looking it over to put it back into service, and not canibalize it for the motor. This leads me to the point of the whole post, which is how I plan to restore/ modify it for my intended uses. While it will not be perfect, I plan to do some minor modifications to make it a little more fishing friendly, and some practical stuff to increase the safety as I will be in some marginal waters with it, and while I am willing to take the occasional beating, I do not have any desire to swamp it.

The modifications will center mostly around converting it to a center console layout with a T-top. I also want to make the deck self bailing to a degree which will require raising the floor level a few inches in a portion of the boat. There will be some other minor stuff, as I clean her up but the console, and the floor is the major changes.

The center console is pretty simple to visualize, and I really have no questions in my mind about that. The self bailing floor is another issue, and I plan to dive into that a little deeper in a following reply.

Please follow along if your interested, I will warn everyone that I probably do not work as fast as some who take on projects. Slow, and not always steady probably best defines how this will go, but it will eventualy get done. My plan is to have it ready to go for next summer. That goal is very easily doable, but things come up. I make a portion of my living in my workshop, and if enough paying work flows in, the boat takes the back burner. In winter time, this means it gets rolled into a non heated garage, and all work stops until my small workshop opens back up.

I welcome any advice, encouragment, or constructive critisism. If my plan does not sit well with you, I realize that it is a compromise, and it will have no resale value after the work I do. Feel free to remind me, but I probably will not change my mind. :)

cas17013
11-01-2012, 05:33 PM
One of the changes I plan to do is raise the floor about three inches so that any water over the bow will harmlessly flow out a scupper valve in the back of the boat if I get caught in bad water. Having been in a boat that got swamped before far from shore, this is one thing that is important to me. Given the freeboard of the boat, right, or wrong, I plan to address this.

My initial measurements show that the floor of the boat is just a little above the average waterline, but the original fiberglass floor has a shelf molded under the rear bench seat that will dam any water that comes over the sides, and I cannot get positive/gravity drainage from the majority of the boat because of this. My first thought was to remove the ledge in the back so everything would drain, but I am not wild about removing any existing structure. My current plan is to add a support structure, and new floor skin to make everything flow to the back, and out of the valves. I also want to fill the voids with flotation foam to increase the bouyancy.

My plan is to fasten a grid of PVC supports on about 12" intervals to the existing floor, fill the voids with 4# pourable flotation foam, and them cap it with an aluminum skinned composite sheeting. I will probably increase the height of the center access panels even a little more to direct the water out the back via gravity, rather than into the bilge where it can only be pumped out. The doghouse will probably get a lip built into the floor around it's perimeter again to bypass the bilge, and flow it out the back. At this height, I should be able to place the scupper valves to discharge onto the swim platform, which should be clear of the waterline in most average situations

Any thoughts on how to better raise the floor are welcome. I am also interested in the general opinion of how waterlogged the existing foam under the floor may be? I expect it has taken on some water over time, but I hate to cut up the floor unless it is common for the foam to waterlog. I will probably drill a few test holes to be sure, and I am counting on a new three inch layer of foam inside the raised floor to counteract any problems the original foam may have.

Not sure if any of this make sense, or if I am just rambling, but I am trying to put together a little bit of a plan before I just jump into the project.

mikeg205
11-01-2012, 05:35 PM
Only if you post pitchers... :D lookin' forward to it... at least me. :)

Post current pic's of boat!

PointTaken
11-01-2012, 05:46 PM
Pictures please.

cas17013
11-01-2012, 05:51 PM
Only if you post pitchers... :D lookin' forward to it... at least me. :)

Post current pic's of boat!

What was I thinking, I forgot the most important part.

At the slip when I picked it up:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/cas123z/3E83L73J85Fd5X05Mdcak634a034f327114c3.jpg

I will take a bunch more before I start.

You cannot see from the photo, but there is not one salvagable square inch of vinyl upholstery on the whole darn thing. Frankly, there is not one piece of foam under the uphostery that is salvagable. The rub rail is pretty bent up on the port side, and there are random gelcoat chips all over. Other than that, it looks just like any other boat that lived in an open slip, and exposed to the elements 100% of the last few years.

mcparadise
11-01-2012, 05:52 PM
Welcome to TT. As someone who is surely not a purist, and an ocean going fool too, I look forward to following along! One thing I found by experience, and mentioned above is that everyone likes to see photos, and they generate much more discussion/support. It's not hard to do, so you might try that when you have time.

LYNRDSKYNRD
11-01-2012, 06:46 PM
Welcome, awesome sounding project can't wait to see how it turns out.

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gweaver
11-01-2012, 10:02 PM
Looks like a fun project! I'll be interested to see how it turns out.
If you search "Brett Swindell" on youtube, the videos might be worth watching. He took a closed-bow boat and modded it to be a center-console. I have no connection to the guy, I'm just really intrigued by the idea, to the point I've been casually surfing CL for candidate boats.
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byronic
11-01-2012, 10:59 PM
Good luck on your project. I have always wanted to pickup an old S&S and put in a center console. My favorite place to ride is on top of the dog house.

cas17013
11-01-2012, 11:48 PM
Looks like a fun project! I'll be interested to see how it turns out.
If you search "Brett Swindell" on youtube, the videos might be worth watching. He took a closed-bow boat and modded it to be a center-console. I have no connection to the guy, I'm just really intrigued by the idea, to the point I've been casually surfing CL for candidate boats.
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Funny you should mention that video, I watched all of his videos a week, or so back. If I remember correctly, he had a lot of structural repair before he could really get started. The Tristar I have is in reasonably good shape aside from trashed cosmetic stuff. Raising the floor is not the sexiest job, but everything else should be very gratifying. Replacing transoms, stringers, and rotten floors just stinks.

I am pleased with the enthusiasm so far.

I live in an area where if you have a trailer you can find all kinds of nice free boats. They all need work, but if you want to customize something it is not a bad way to go. With the hurricane this week, I hate to think of all the "projects" that are going to go straight to the landfill. Sadly, they cannot all be saved, and I guess in the larger picture the boats are nothing compared to everything else that was lost.

Good luck with your search! It is fun to have a boat you can call your own. Even a "free" boat gets expensive if you do it right, but I think it is worth it.

strad
11-01-2012, 11:51 PM
Well I don't particularly like Tristars, so I think what you're doing will result in an improvement. Seems to me like the engine placement is not ideal for what you're doing but you can't complain with a free boat.

cas17013
11-01-2012, 11:58 PM
Good luck on your project. I have always wanted to pickup an old S&S and put in a center console. My favorite place to ride is on top of the dog house.

I plan to put the leaning post/seat as close as possible to the dog house while keeping the pylon as is. Not exactly sitting right on it, but pretty close.

d2jp
11-02-2012, 12:08 AM
, ......and some practical stuff to increase the safety as I will be in some marginal waters with it, and while I am willing to take the occasional beating, I do not have any desire to swamp it.......

Sounds like an interesting project but from the outset, I think the hull/boat design is not favorable for "marginal waters".

cas17013
11-02-2012, 12:11 AM
Well I don't particularly like Tristars, so I think what you're doing will result in an improvement. Seems to me like the engine placement is not ideal for what you're doing but you can't complain with a free boat.

Your probably right, it will be a compromise. I am worried less about the motor placement than the lack of deadrise, and freeboard for fishing, but a boat that has what I want there will be not so good for skiing.

Part of the fun is not knowing what you will get. I may be wasting my time, but I think it will be tolerable. If it is terrible, I will start over. :)

mikeg205
11-02-2012, 09:30 AM
What was I thinking, I forgot the most important part.

At the slip when I picked it up:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/cas123z/3E83L73J85Fd5X05Mdcak634a034f327114c3.jpg

I will take a bunch more before I start.

You cannot see from the photo, but there is not one salvagable square inch of vinyl upholstery on the whole darn thing. Frankly, there is not one piece of foam under the uphostery that is salvagable. The rub rail is pretty bent up on the port side, and there are random gelcoat chips all over. Other than that, it looks just like any other boat that lived in an open slip, and exposed to the elements 100% of the last few years.

Well worth the $1....can't wait for results...and you could always do some boarding when you get tired of fishing...just sayin' :D

cas17013
11-02-2012, 03:07 PM
Well worth the $1....can't wait for results...and you could always do some boarding when you get tired of fishing...just sayin' :D

Thats the plan. If all I wanted was a fishing boat, this would be about the worst choice.

I do have a question.... I may begin my removing the motor this weekend, and was wondering how well the motor mount brackets are fastened to the stringers? I was thinking about unbolting the steel braces, and just liting the whole thing out because it needs to happen eventualy to get everything cleaned up. There are several bolts on either side that fasten the steel plate down to the stringers, should they come out without a huge struggle? I am guessing they thread into another steel plate embedded in the glass stringers? If anyone has every removed these, could you share your experience. I can unbolt the motor mounts, and remove it that way, but those brackets would be nice to leave on to load it into a trailer, and haul it a few miles to my workshop to get it cleaned up.

I am guessing it will go back together in pieces, but it sure would be nice to pull it as one unit.

Miss Rita
11-02-2012, 03:46 PM
Are you going to move the existing side console to the middle, or just replace it with a center console?

cas17013
11-02-2012, 04:45 PM
Are you going to move the existing side console to the middle, or just replace it with a center console?

My intial thought was to remove everything seating wise forward of the pylon, and replace with a center console as aft as possible, while still keeping the pylon in place. I think I can make the center console high enough to basicly sit right on top of the pylon while at the helm. In place of the existing bow seating, I want to raise the seating just a little higher so I can add a live well, and bait well. This would also have a panel that drops in between the seats to form a casting platform when in fishing mode.

I am still trying to figure out all the details, but this is my rough plan so far. It will be a fair amount of fiberglass work, but I plan to eliminate the upholstered seat cushions to keep it utilitarian, so effort wise it is almost a wash. If it takes longer than expected, the bow seating stuff is my last priority so it may just stay as is if I get bogged down. At the end of the day, I will probably make it up as I go, so who knows?

Miss Rita
11-02-2012, 05:05 PM
Since you will have no use for the pylon, you should remove it and and get it out of the way. You could probably sell it, as it may be the most valuable part of the boat!

wheelerd
11-03-2012, 02:15 AM
See, I told you you'd find an enthusiastic response here on TT.:o Glad to see you're sharing your dream. Use the "Search" feature and you'll find many helpful threads that directly or sometimes indirectly address your project questions. Also, I find that Google searches are sometime even more effective than using the Search feature here. For example, Google "Teamtalk Mastercraft Tristar" -- you'll have lots to read. This thread is even there!

cas17013
11-03-2012, 10:57 AM
See, I told you you'd find an enthusiastic response here on TT.:o Glad to see you're sharing your dream. Use the "Search" feature and you'll find many helpful threads that directly or sometimes indirectly address your project questions. Also, I find that Google searches are sometime even more effective than using the Search feature here. For example, Google "Teamtalk Mastercraft Tristar" -- you'll have lots to read. This thread is even there!

You were right, I expected more of a push back given the nature of the site. Everyone seemed cool reading the old posts, but I was not sure how modifying this hull would go over. I imagine once I get into the stuff that I can photograph it will be a more interesting read. I started ordering the supplies to build the t-top, and some more fiberglass supplies to lay up a center console, and replace the glass being removed from the existing seating.

I had considered removing the motor this weekend to have something in the shop I could slowly work on as time allowed, but it is cold, damp, and windy out, so I am probably going to work on a plug for the center console mold.

As that evolves into something worth posting I will add it.

cas17013
11-03-2012, 11:06 AM
Since you will have no use for the pylon, you should remove it and and get it out of the way. You could probably sell it, as it may be the most valuable part of the boat!

I am keeping the pylon. I still want to be able to ski with it. I just want to make it a little more friendly to fish off of when the mood strikes.

Perhaps I have sold the old girl short? It has seen it's better days, but it is not so bad that the pylon is the most valuable part. Aside from being a rough ride, it should fit me needs nicely once it is back on the water.

I have a larger cabin cruiser for the bigger water, but skiing behind it is not ideal, and it requires a one ton truck to move from place to place which is a pretty big production compared to the tristar which is much smaller, and about one third of the weight.

wheelerd
11-03-2012, 11:28 AM
Your intended modifications really won't alter the overall handling and wake of the boat. Sure, some changes to the center of gravity and bow/stern shifting of weight might have a very slight effect from stock. But you won't know that since you won't have skied with it that way.

Some people will knock the TriStar. Yes, it does have a rough ride in chop, but so does a Stars and Stripes and the earlier ProStar 190s. The ski wake is not a smooth as the SS or PS but it is still better than most anything else. I've skied al three hullsl. Weighted properly it can throw a nice wakeboarding wake. With the 220's extra length over the 190 you can accommodate as many people as an X25 . . . and spend the $70k on something else!

BTW, on my TriStar I completely redid the interior (upholstery and carpet), replaced the motor box insulation, replaced the rubrail and insert, replaced the prop and strut, replaced some decals, did some minor fiberglass patch pasting on some gashes in the keel and rubbed out countless scratches and abrasions. I had also purchased a set of GT40 heads and an Edelbrock manifold and was looking at a new cam as well since I was planning to wake up the engine a bit. So . . . . I sort of know the boat!

I wasn't planning to sell it until I came across a great deal on the X5 (which just this past fall morphed into an X2.)

pbgbottle
11-06-2012, 08:47 PM
any updates?

did you remove the motor mount floor plates ?
i'm curious how they are mounted to the stringer also

als did you find out if the foam in the floor gets water logged ?
another great question

looking forward to a progress update




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cas17013
11-12-2012, 06:08 PM
any updates?

did you remove the motor mount floor plates ?
i'm curious how they are mounted to the stringer also

als did you find out if the foam in the floor gets water logged ?
another great question

looking forward to a progress update




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Sorry, No significant progress. I spent most of the weekend helping a friend with a completely different project. If the weather looks good for this coming weekend, I may try to do it then. I have been doing a little with the center console construction, and will hopefully have something photo worthy soon.

I am pretty hopefull that the foam is dry from my initial impressions. I am going to do some core samples when I bring the hull into my workshop to do the other work on it. I am trying to resist doing it right now because I want to properly glass the holes over after I check it out, and it is too cold in my storage area right now to do it properly.

I am still deciding on what to do to make the floor self bailing, or if it is even worth it. I proposed a few ideas on a boat construction forum, but mostly got the keep it the way it is answer, or buy a boat that is self bailing. Probably good advice in general, but I want a boat I can fish, and ski from without spending a ton of cash. Modifying this boat seems like the best option for what I want in general. I prefer a boat that is good to ski behind, and will tolerate taking a beating if I decide to do a little fishing on a choppy water day.

It is tough because the more you research, and ask, the more opinions you get. So far, they have been all over the place. Most of the discussion revolves around using, or not using the pour in foam. I suspect at some point soon I am going to just go back to my original plan, and hope for the best.

cas17013
11-13-2012, 07:11 PM
Not much, but here are a few photos of the begining of my center console.

My inspiration is something like this: (this is just a random photo from Google images)
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/cas123z/chaos-21-console-with-teak-steering-pod1-150x150.jpg

Mine will be a little more simple given the size of the Tristar, but I personaly like the look of some woodwork on my boats. A lot more maint. but I think it looks good.

Here are two photos of the early woodwork. One is just a scrap from the end which shows the profile, and the other is the finished bullnose that everythng will be built around.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/cas123z/DSCF0009.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/cas123z/DSCF0008.jpg

The bullnose piece is the most difficult part because it needs to be hand shaped given the profile. It started out as a 4" thick rough sawn board that I had to plane down, cut to size, hand shape, and then final sand to a smooth contour. The rest of the structure is just .75" lumber that is much easier to construct with power tools. I have all of the other parts ready to assemble, but ran out of time today. Hopefully in the next couple days, I will have this small part finished, and a few coats of varnish on it.

Not much progress, but a little.

strad
11-13-2012, 08:58 PM
That wood looks sweet!

pbgbottle
11-13-2012, 11:23 PM
X2 beautiful



That wood looks sweet!

MC209
11-13-2012, 11:29 PM
Nice!!



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cas17013
11-14-2012, 07:26 PM
Thanks guys! I had a little more time this afternoon to work on it. I was not happy with how one of the parts turned out so it is not finished, but it is taking shape. It also needs many coats of varnish, but that will wait until some other things are ready so I can spray them all at once.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/cas123z/DSCF0015.jpg

gweaver
12-21-2012, 01:17 PM
Any updates? I'm really interested to see how this turns out. I think it's going to be a very cool boat when it's done.
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gweaver
04-23-2013, 12:44 PM
Progress?
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