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erkoehler
09-07-2005, 03:22 PM
Has anybody installed a shower in a 1996 MC PS 190 or similar boat? I have the 350tbi engine, 275hp model.

I ordered the heatercraft shower and am going to try to do the install myself.

Does anybody on here have pictures of where you mounted the shower controls on a boat without a trunk? Also, and pics of the engine side of the install?

Thanks,
Eric

erkoehler
09-07-2005, 03:33 PM
Here is the shower that I ordered:

VTJC
09-07-2005, 03:37 PM
I installed a shower on my 99 SportStar last summer; I will take some pics for you the next time I am on it(tommrow am). Itís the same hull and similar engine to yours. I put the controls on the starboard side in the upper stern portion of the ski pocket. The shower draws its cold water after the raw water pump and warm water from the starboard upper block plug. Jamie

VTJC
09-07-2005, 03:38 PM
I also installed heat at the same time. I recomend you read this thread to http://www.wakesiderides.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12059 Jamie

erkoehler
09-07-2005, 03:42 PM
I am getting the heater too! Where did you choose for vents?

Leroy
09-07-2005, 04:08 PM
And this.

http://www.wakesiderides.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16298

Leroy
09-07-2005, 04:10 PM
See you are already all over it Eric!

erkoehler
09-07-2005, 04:32 PM
Saved over $100 :D

Leroy
09-07-2005, 06:23 PM
Looks like a good price, I'm thinking of the shower.

ProStarMike
09-07-2005, 10:26 PM
I am getting the heater too! Where did you choose for vents?

I have the factory heater and used it Monday morning for the first time...it was 54 degrees on the river at 6:45 AM. However, I did not think the air coming out was that hot. It was warm, but not hot.

Is this normal?

-- Mike

jimmer2880
09-08-2005, 07:05 AM
That's typical. Order the heatercraft "Y" adapter - it will make a HUGE difference.


http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=H424

VTJC
09-08-2005, 10:41 AM
Here is a pic of where I mounted my control. The hose tucks nicely away when not in use. I fabricated a mount using some flat stock galvaniced from Home Depot, probably should have used aluminum. I was able to use the bolt that holds the pad on and drilled a second bolt hole. The pump is also mounted towards the stern with the bolts being hidden by the seat if itís installed. Sorry boat is a little dirty!
http://www.tmcowners.com/photopost/data/500/control_www.jpg
Here are two pics of where water is drawn form the block. I have a T fitting instead of 90 degree bc I have heat and shower. This is one of two locatons you can draw water from. The other is the passangerís side pepcock drain. I tried that location in the spring to I could more easily match the winterizing setup from the other board. However, since my engine/boat is 6 years old, I got allot of rust which clogged the screen in front of my control.
http://www.tmcowners.com/photopost/data/500/engine_www.jpg
http://www.tmcowners.com/photopost/data/500/engine2_www.jpg
The cold water intake is pretty obvious after the raw water pump.

The I will second the improved heat following the Y-pipe install!

VTJC
09-08-2005, 10:42 AM
A related question does anybody know where the OEM install location for pump and control is in a 05 197? I am going to help a friend install one soon.

My shower sure was nice this morning after my ski in 55 degree air!

Jamie

powereli
09-09-2005, 12:20 PM
for anyone even THINKING about getting these two units... don't hesitate for even a second...

The shower is the bomb, and the heater is invaluable. Nothing is better than a cold morning with the heater and shower going full steam...

It's just an amazing package that everyone should install if you ski/ride in cold weather..

shut up, stop thinking about it and just buy the damn equipment.. best move you'll make for your boat.

Eli

Holtrodj
09-09-2005, 03:16 PM
I can see the value in the heater, but what's up with the shower? How is this so invaluable? I guess I've always just made do without it.

rick s.
09-09-2005, 04:57 PM
My wife and I like to take a little time to ourselves on a boat-camping weekend and take (warm) showers on the swim platform then have a little fun inside the boat....

Cary K.
09-09-2005, 05:11 PM
I have both and I agree. They are both great for defrosting the feet/hands after a winter run. I use the shower more in the late fall/early spring to warm up heater shirts/wetsuits/wet vests before I put them on. Makes a huge difference.

I like Rick S.'s idea way better though :D

RobertT
09-09-2005, 05:51 PM
I think I will buy a shower...who has the best deal for the best unit?

Rockman
09-09-2005, 07:32 PM
If you ski in the cold weather or even a day where it is warm but the air is cool, the showers just make it that much easier to stay out a few more hours.

We used it when we did our Millenium run on 1/9/00 up in Lake Geneva.

We had 160 degree water right off the block. Kinda made the 28 degree water not feel so bad.

Put it this way, if you never had one you wouldn't really miss it. But for those who have them and use them to extend the season, they are a must.

erkoehler
09-18-2005, 01:23 PM
Both my shower and heater have arrived, and are awaiting install. Does any one have a pic of there shower installed in the back of the motor cover?

Can anybody snap a few pics from the inside of the engine cover and the outside?

bigmac
09-18-2005, 02:02 PM
My wife and I like to take a little time to ourselves on a boat-camping weekend and take (warm) showers on the swim platform then have a little fun inside the boat....

One of the main reasons why night fishermen and water-patrol agencies might carry night-vision goggles....

Rockman
09-29-2005, 07:41 PM
Erk,

This is more what I was thinking...

erkoehler
09-29-2005, 07:49 PM
That is what I want to do also, but wasn't sure where the shower head would come from.

When do you think we could do it? I am gonna need some help :D

Rockman
09-29-2005, 07:56 PM
I will be gone this weekend but anytime next week.

Rockman
10-06-2005, 02:12 PM
That is what I want to do also, but wasn't sure where the shower head would come from.

When do you think we could do it? I am gonna need some help :D

Can anyone post a few pics on what hoses need to be cut to tap the shower into? Also, if you have the shower installed on your motor, that would help,

Just don't want to have to order a new hose or so. I saw my buddy install a shower a few years back but pics would help to refresh my memory.

Thanks in advance...

Footin
10-06-2005, 02:26 PM
Thats the way I will install the knobs on my 94, as for the shower hose location, I plan to mount a quick connect in the botton of one of the cup holders pointing staight up. The will keep the hose out of the way when not in use. When you want to use it just get out the shower head and hose and click it onto the hidden quick connect.

As for the pump, I will mount it in the bilge and have it switched to my "acc 2" switch.

Anyone see any flaws in my plan?

AirJunky
10-06-2005, 02:34 PM
Hey Footin,
The only issue I can see might be that the cupholders themselves get pretty brittle with age & cold. I've replaced all 3 of them in my '94 after they chipped & cracked over the years. Maybe either upgrading them to stainless or relocating the quick disconnect to another location on the engine cover would be better.
Nice, clean, & easily accessible install though!

Footin
10-06-2005, 02:38 PM
I agree about the holder getting brittle AJ. I would still like to put it in there so it will be out of the way......you know, outa sight, outa mind.

AirJunky
10-06-2005, 02:45 PM
Yep, I agree outta sight would make it a clean installation. What about something like this?

http://www.westmarine.com/images/full/180030.jpg

Probably have to mount it on the side though.

Footin
10-06-2005, 02:50 PM
Nice unit, but I still perfer the one like Erkle bought.

Before I but one I will now check my cup holder condition though, thanks for the heads up on the brittle factor.

Footin
10-06-2005, 02:51 PM
Hey Erkle, make sure to take pictures of the install process, inquiring minds want to know!

BuoyChaser
10-06-2005, 02:58 PM
love to see some pics of a OEM shower install on an 05 ProStar 197 with MCX engine as well!!!quick heat for the feet would certainly expand the season by a month earlier and a month later!!!

A related question does anybody know where the OEM install location for pump and control is in a 05 197? I am going to help a friend install one soon.

My shower sure was nice this morning after my ski in 55 degree air!

Jamie

AirJunky
10-06-2005, 03:00 PM
Nice unit, but I still perfer the one like Erkle bought.

Before I but one I will now check my cup holder condition though, thanks for the heads up on the brittle factor.
I replaced the off white cup holders in my '94 with some black ones that look like this:
http://a1672.g.akamai.net/7/1672/116/20051001/www.ritzcamera.com/graphics/boatersworld/products/336790019.jpg
which ended up looking a lot better.

Thought about doing something like these too:
http://www.overtons.com/graphics/products/large/36078L.jpg
Might be good for mounting a shower to.

Footin
10-06-2005, 03:12 PM
Where did you buy them?

AirJunky
10-06-2005, 03:27 PM
Where did you buy them?
I think the black ones I bought at Boater's World for just a few bucks each.
The places I usually search are the big 3 catalogs,
Overton's (http://www.overtons.com), Ski Limited (http://www.skilimited.com), Bart's (http://www.bartswatersports.com), plus SkiDIM (http://www.skidim.com), West Marine (http://www.westmarine.com) & Boater's World (http://www.boatersworld.com).

RobertT
10-06-2005, 03:42 PM
Where did you guys buy your shower kits????? As soon as I find the best place I am ordering it...hopefully today!

As far as mounting locations, I am torn.

Inside the rear storage locker is the logical place, but then again you will have to sit on one side and open the other side up each time you use it.

The other location that makes sense is on the port side ski locker nearest the stern. That way it can be tucked back out of the way.

If I put it there, I will take a little wood and make a mounting location, then cover it with matching carpet.

Something that will allow me to push the hose back into an out of the way location...leaving only the shower head exposed.

Something like this....


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BOAT-TRANSOM-SHOWER-TRANSOM-SHOWERS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26449QQitemZ457 9558922QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

I like the idea of having it in the motor box cup holder, but fear that having all those hoses laying around the motor might not be a good idea.

Thoughts????

Under the rear seat would not be a bad location either.

I have been thinking about making a storage organizer under the rear seat for a while what is carpeted to match....something to keep the staples in. I could always mount it there.

Hmmmmm

First, I need to buy one.

Where?????

erkoehler
10-06-2005, 04:42 PM
heater craft is the main supplier for the showers and heaters that everyone is talking about in this thread. You can order through www.wakesiderides.com That is where I got mine from

Leroy
10-06-2005, 04:46 PM
For the hardcore DIY'ers, the on-demand pumps are also available on ebay for $50-$60.

erkoehler
10-06-2005, 04:49 PM
I will snap some pics when I do the install, hopefully it will be this weekend.....

Footin
10-06-2005, 04:52 PM
Great, I would realy like to see picture on the inside of the engine compartment were the knobs will come through (if you are installing it like Rockmans picture).

erkoehler
10-06-2005, 05:02 PM
That is exactly how I want to install it. I also like the quick connect in the cup holder idea. I may steal that one! :D I don't use the cupholders in the rear of the boat since i don't keep the back seat in, so it shouldn't be an issue.

shepherd
10-06-2005, 06:45 PM
erk, looking forward to the picture show! :popcorn:

Leroy
10-06-2005, 07:16 PM
Does the demand pump go in line with the handle hose? ie after hot and cold have been combined? Never seen that in any of the on line install guides.

erkoehler
10-06-2005, 09:29 PM
If you really NEED to know tonight, let me know and I will go out to the garage and look at the instructions. Otherwise, stay tuned for the install thread.....

6ballsisall
10-06-2005, 09:30 PM
If you really NEED to know tonight, let me know and I will go out to the garage and look at the instructions. Otherwise, stay tuned for the install thread.....


ah crap, here comes another thousand posts by erk :woohoo:

RobertT
10-07-2005, 12:56 PM
There are 6 showers available on Ebay for 200 bones.

Are these the same ones?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HEATER-CRAFT-100-S-SERIES-COMPLETE-SHOWER-SYSTEM-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26449QQitemZ4565196 863QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

Footin
10-07-2005, 01:26 PM
Looks the same to me

boatwake
10-07-2005, 01:34 PM
Leroy if I remember the install correctly from a year ago, the hot and cold source connect to the regulator valve, the regulator valve is then connected to the input of the pump, and the output of the pump connects to the shower head (with a quick connect in between them).

RobertT
10-07-2005, 02:10 PM
You guys have seen this right??

http://www.wakesiderides.com/viewArticle.php?id=155

If so, sorry.

Rockman
10-07-2005, 03:08 PM
Alright,

I got the insite on the install for the shower and the heater. Had to make a phone call to a buddy I use to ski with. I haven't done either install in a few years and didn't have all the details on what we had done before on his boat.

I have installed both the $300 showers like Erk bought and also the $20 version (parking lot of Ace Hardware) which was just the Pit Valve, garden hose and spicket.

Plan is to get them installed tomorrow on Erk's boat. Weather is going to be bad at the river tomorrow so we are going to get all the maintenance items done and hopefully get out one more weekend on the back end.

We'll hopefully have pics of the installs for you soon...

Footin
10-07-2005, 03:20 PM
Make sure Erkle buys you lunch or at least a 12 pack for your labor.

Rockman
10-07-2005, 07:02 PM
Make sure Erkle buys you lunch or at least a 12 pack for your labor.

On a scale of 1 to 5, I think it's probably worth at least 3 Jack and Cokes. Oh, what the hell am I talkin' about, he's bringing the boat over to my house tomorrow :huh:

erkoehler
10-07-2005, 11:07 PM
I'll spring for Lunch, :)

BriEOD
10-08-2005, 07:57 AM
Make sure Erk has a Chicken sandwich and not a burger. He's training to be a LEO, remember.

Leroy
10-08-2005, 11:05 PM
Thanks Boatwake, that is what I thought, but did not see in any of the install instructions on the web.



Leroy if I remember the install correctly from a year ago, the hot and cold source connect to the regulator valve, the regulator valve is then connected to the input of the pump, and the output of the pump connects to the shower head (with a quick connect in between them).

erkoehler
10-09-2005, 04:48 AM
We hooked it up with the hot water going from the block through the pump and then to the regulator valve......

boatwake
10-09-2005, 09:20 AM
Interesting approach erkoehler. I suspect you will get less pressure at the spraw nozzle with the pump pushing through the regulator, but it should work.

Leroy, I can't remember if HeaterCraft provided instuctions or not. The resource I used was an article at WakeWorld http://www.wakeworld.com/articles/2003/shower.asp. The author did a great job describing his installation.

erkoehler
10-10-2005, 01:04 AM
Heatercraft does provide instructions on the install, but truthfully they sucked and we didn't even use them. They don't have pictures of anything, and the hookups are vaguely described if at all.

erkoehler
10-10-2005, 01:05 AM
Interesting approach erkoehler. I suspect you will get less pressure at the spraw nozzle with the pump pushing through the regulator, but it should work.

Leroy, I can't remember if HeaterCraft provided instuctions or not. The resource I used was an article at WakeWorld http://www.wakeworld.com/articles/2003/shower.asp. The author did a great job describing his installation.

The pressure is awesome, just like at home :D

Rockman
10-10-2005, 02:57 PM
We'll have pics of the project later this week. Have a few thigns to take care and get the pics developed.

ERK,

You make it home ok?

erkoehler
10-10-2005, 02:59 PM
Sure did, only took me 35 minutes too!!!!!

Holtrodj
11-27-2005, 11:27 PM
I'm thinking of adding a shower to the boat, but I think that I'd be able to assemble the needed parts a lot cheaper than buying a the kit for $200. I guess I just want to run the idea by the group to see what you all think:

My thought is to do without the hot/cold valve with knobs that I'd need to find a spot for; and just have the hot and cold lines run through their own valve fittings and into a Y. I'd be leaving the temperature the same most of the time anyway so I could just find the setting I like and keep it all out of sight. I'd buy a pump with a similar pressure rating to the Aquatik setup and a nice coiled hose / sprayer setup from any hardware store. Does this sound like it'd work?

For those that have the Aquatik setup - how is the pressure? I beleve that you have a 2.2 Gallon Per Minute pump. I was thinking about a 5 GPM pump. Would this be too much? Would it be possible to take too much water from the engine?

What do you think?

VTJC
11-28-2005, 09:36 AM
I have found the pump in the kit to be more than adequate; on the stream setting of the nozzle you can hit the skier. I think your also correct that adjusting the H/C can be set once and forgotten about. I have always been surprised that changes in water temp donít seem to affect the temp at the shower once boat is warmed up. FYI, the pump on the kit comes on via a pressure switch activated when the nozzle in opened, have you found a source for that?

Holtrodj
11-28-2005, 11:09 PM
It was my understanding that that was how an "on-demand" pump worked. It pumps to a specific pressure and if the pressure gets built up, it stops untill additional pressure is needed again. Is that not the case?

You mentoned you could hit the skier with the spray. Is that at 60 feet? If so, that's plenty of pressure.

VTJC
11-29-2005, 11:42 AM
You have the on demand pump correct.

Yeah on the stream setting of the nozzle you can spray water about sixty feet. Jamie

bigmac
11-29-2005, 11:54 AM
You have the on demand pump correct.

Yeah on the stream setting of the nozzle you can spray water about sixty feet. Jamie

Hmmm...does that water stream have enough force and volume to be annoying to jetskiers?

Leroy
11-29-2005, 12:01 PM
The demand pump you can get on ebay for $40-$50. Ebay also has RV showers controls for $20-$30. However I leaning toward the unit here http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|26832|319660&id=179037 but $88! Has box, door, built in switch for on demand pump.

Let me know if you find something better.

Leroy
11-29-2005, 12:04 PM
Probably so, I think they normally are 45PSI, something like the garden hose at home!



Hmmm...does that water stream have enough force and volume to be annoying to jetskiers?

RobertT
11-29-2005, 05:41 PM
I bought the regular one, but that unit looks nice. I think I like the idea of a switch at the handle location. I would rather turn it on only while I am using it, and not having to wire all the way to the dash is a time saver.

With that box, you could easily sink it into the ski locker (rear deck locker) or even better make a simple box with carpet to raise it a little.

I like.

Still need a pump though. You might end up at close to the same cost as the made for inboard unit that heatercraft uses.

Leroy
02-01-2006, 05:04 PM
Now I have the on demand pump (ebay $40) and shower control ($63) and just waiting on spring to install all. I bought the Aquatik shower control from Defender with the switch at the control box. That seems very nice.


I'm sure installing the plumbing will still be a trick!

erkoehler
02-01-2006, 05:06 PM
Now I have the on demand pump (ebay $40) and shower control ($63) and just waiting on spring to install all. I bought the Aquatik shower control from Defender with the switch at the control box. That seems very nice.


I'm sure installing the plumbing will still be a trick!

It is really quite easy to install....2 beers.

Holtrodj
02-01-2006, 08:06 PM
Leroy - Where are you planning to mount the pump? I did the same thing (purchased a pump / shower head off e-bay and plan to install in the spring. I decided to skip the knobs and go with inline valves (set'em and forget 'em)

Just curious where your going to mount the pump.

erkoehler
02-01-2006, 08:08 PM
Leroy - Where are you planning to mount the pump? I did the same thing (purchased a pump / shower head off e-bay and plan to install in the spring. I decided to skip the knobs and go with inline valves (set'em and forget 'em)

Just curious where your going to mount the pump.


Not sure if my pictures of my install are still up, but the pump fits mounted to the engine cover. I mounted mine in the center of the engine cover on the back side right in the middle above the transmission.

Holtrodj
02-01-2006, 10:05 PM
Not sure if my pictures of my install are still up, but the pump fits mounted to the engine cover. I mounted mine in the center of the engine cover on the back side right in the middle above the transmission.

Yeah, I saw where you put it. I want to avoid having hardward show on the outside of my engine cover, though. I was thinking possibly mounting to the front wall of the bilge (near the built-in cooler).

Leroy
02-01-2006, 10:18 PM
Holtrodj; I think your 190 will have different mounting options from my Maristar 230. I'm looking at mounting in the storage area in the very back and as high as possible with the hose coming out near the back vents. Connect hoses will all be very short. I still need to keep the storage area clear where the side engine cover in the storage area can lay down. I think I can mount the pump and controls together. I want the hose, switch, and controls within easy access standing on the platform.

jimmer2880
02-02-2006, 07:44 AM
Leroy - Where are you planning to mount the pump? I did the same thing (purchased a pump / shower head off e-bay and plan to install in the spring. I decided to skip the knobs and go with inline valves (set'em and forget 'em)

Just curious where your going to mount the pump.

Do you mind sharing what parts you are using? Pump model? What did you do for inline valves?

I hope to put in one of these systems before fall gets here.

Leroy
02-02-2006, 08:40 AM
Jimmer; Mine is Shurflo 2088-422-444, pretty standard, 45PSI, 2.2gpm, etc.

Holtrodj
02-02-2006, 09:04 PM
Jimmer; Mine is Shurflo 2088-422-444, pretty standard, 45PSI, 2.2gpm, etc.

Yeah, that's the same pump I bought. I picked one up off of e-bay for $30. For the valves I was thinking something like this. One for cold water, one for hot. Adjust them once until you get what you like and leave it.

I have a 190 that does not have a trunk, so I'm thinking of having the hose come out of the panel at the rear of the boat under the rear seat. My thought was to have some type of quick-disconnect there so I could remove the shower head/hose durring the summer.

After thinking more about the location of the pump, I think I want to have it as close to the rear of the boat as possible. The thought would be to minimize the lenght of hose that would be under pressure when the pump is turned on. The less lenght w. pressure, the less places something could leak or go wrong. I dunno, I guess I'm still in the design stage. I have a few weeks before the boat comes out anyway...

jimmer2880
02-06-2006, 08:13 AM
Yeah, that's the same pump I bought. I picked one up off of e-bay for $30. For the valves I was thinking something like this. One for cold water, one for hot. Adjust them once until you get what you like and leave it.

I have a 190 that does not have a trunk, so I'm thinking of having the hose come out of the panel at the rear of the boat under the rear seat. My thought was to have some type of quick-disconnect there so I could remove the shower head/hose durring the summer.

After thinking more about the location of the pump, I think I want to have it as close to the rear of the boat as possible. The thought would be to minimize the lenght of hose that would be under pressure when the pump is turned on. The less lenght w. pressure, the less places something could leak or go wrong. I dunno, I guess I'm still in the design stage. I have a few weeks before the boat comes out anyway...

I will absolutely wait to see what you have done before I start mine. I like the ball-valve, but I'm curious how hard it will be to adjust to the right temps.:popcorn:

BrianM
08-30-2006, 05:10 PM
Erk,

Did you get any pictures of your install? I just ordered a shower in antisipation of upcoming cool season skiing and am deciding where I want to put it. Post the pictures here if you would.

Rockman
08-30-2006, 07:04 PM
Erk,

Did you get any pictures of your install? I just ordered a shower in antisipation of upcoming cool season skiing and am deciding where I want to put it. Post the pictures here if you would.

There are tons of pics. Do a search for shower and you'll see 'em. If not, Erk can repost...

http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=5823&highlight=shower

erkoehler
08-30-2006, 07:06 PM
AH....not sure if I have those pictures or not.....? I'll look when I get home.

Rockman
08-30-2006, 07:07 PM
AH....not sure if I have those pictures or not.....? I'll look when I get home.

Noted above...

erkoehler
08-30-2006, 07:09 PM
Thanks Rock....I think those were on "your" computer.....