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mikeg205
10-16-2012, 09:14 PM
So far - Romney rockin...

Wonder if there's really a long term plan for electric boats with more than an hour of running time in any manufacturers plans

Jonb1822
10-16-2012, 09:31 PM
Romney!!!

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
10-16-2012, 09:33 PM
So far - Romney rockin...

Wonder if there's really a long term plan for electric boats with more than an hour of running time in any manufacturers plans

Another "green energy" company goes bankrupt today, A123 which makes the batteries for electric cars took $249 million from the stimulus just like Solyndra took $535 million. Obama's green energy at work, making America poor.

mikeg205
10-16-2012, 10:03 PM
Another "green energy" company goes bankrupt today, A123 which makes the batteries for electric cars took $249 million from the stimulus just like Solyndra took $535 million. Obama's green energy at work, making America poor.

Watched a documentary on N. Tesla...he knew in the 1800's we need to get away from fossil fuels...because they had a finite supply. Funny (odd) here we are over 120 years later debating coal, oil and natural gas..

+1 J.MC.... logic needs to get into politics...its just time...

shepherd
10-16-2012, 11:03 PM
Romney, of course. He's a pretty darn good waterskier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGk5HYgPZIE

Obama probably can't even swim.

Oh, you mean in the debate...?

jhall0711
10-16-2012, 11:05 PM
I think this is by far the most relevant campaign add I have seen. It echoes my exact thoughts. I saw it for the first time yesterday. Hopefully this, if nothing else, will hit home for a lot of people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzh-9LBDsGQ

Dino Don
10-16-2012, 11:28 PM
I think this is by far the most relevant campaign add I have seen. It echoes my exact thoughts. I saw it for the first time yesterday. Hopefully this, if nothing else, will hit home for a lot of people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzh-9LBDsGQ

I agree, I just hope people will wake up before it's too late.

jgraham37128
10-16-2012, 11:31 PM
Romney all the way!

merCrewser
10-16-2012, 11:58 PM
behind an eggbeater none the less....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zihBMZXvs4I&feature=related

milkmania
10-17-2012, 12:00 AM
I couldn't help it, I had to fix this pic:o

2RLAKE
10-17-2012, 06:22 AM
Romney by a mile ... Current president has absolutely no practical experience in anything other than being a politician. Romney is a business guy and will help turn this country around

Look at how many executive orders Obama has issues ... Over 900 ... It's absolutely scary what he has done on is personal agenda of social reform ... Read that as redistribution

JimN
10-17-2012, 08:18 AM
Romney wasted too much time greeting the people asking questions, telling them that they asked a good question and reiterating the freaking questions!

I heard better debates in high school classes and I wasn't involved in the debate team.

jgraham37128
10-17-2012, 09:11 AM
Romney wasted too much time greeting the people asking questions, telling them that they asked a good question and reiterating the freaking questions!

I heard better debates in high school classes and I wasn't involved in the debate team.

i didn't see the debate, but I do know Obama has wasted four years though...

BrooksfamX2
10-17-2012, 09:17 AM
Watched a documentary on N. Tesla...he knew in the 1800's we need to get away from fossil fuels...because they had a finite supply. Funny (odd) here we are over 120 years later debating coal, oil and natural gas..

...

TESLA ROCKS....The man (out of time) and the band.......... :D

willyt
10-17-2012, 10:31 AM
obama wants to take your boat and give it to poor people who don't know how to drive it

mzimme
10-17-2012, 10:40 AM
I'll probably lose my job if Romney gets elected, but I don't even care at this point.

Some companies I deal (dealt) with at this point:
Solyndra - $733M
Fisker - $60M
Tesla - $17M
Abound Solar - $400M
Beacon Power - $43M
Tonopah Solar - $737M

That's just the tip of the iceberg...

gweaver
10-17-2012, 03:31 PM
Another "green energy" company goes bankrupt today, A123 which makes the batteries for electric cars took $249 million from the stimulus just like Solyndra took $535 million. Obama's green energy at work, making America poor.

But it was a Michigan Republican who was requesting that money for A123 (http://www.washingtonguardian.com/battery-flip-flop).

I know, we want to blame the current leaders for our problems, but lets be honest folks, most of it goes way beyond the current leadership. Getting off topic, people want to blame Obama for the Libya terror attack, but if you look at history, there's been trouble in the Middle East since the late 40's and the formation of Israel and the 50's and 60's with the Palestinians. There were multiple attacks and even the kidnapping of a high-level CIA station chief during Reagan's watch (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/target/etc/cron.html) There were multiple attacks during Clinton's presidency, Bush's, and Bush Jr. Doesn't mean it was their fault, just means that we were working with incomplete intel.

Likewise with the bankruptcy of alternative technologies. Solyndra's failure was due to being unable to compete with low-cost Chinese imports, despite their product being more efficient. Granted, cutting edge tech does take a while to become cost-efficient, but if you're fighting an up-hill battle...

A123 focused on batteries for the auto industry, specifically electric cars. Unfortunately, as long electric cars are the 'red-headed stepchild' of automobiles, the support for alt. technology will never be there. When the fit hits the shan and the price of oil goes through the roof, watch how fast money gets injected in to technologies like batteries, solar, wind and other renewable sources.

G

aquaman
10-17-2012, 03:44 PM
obama wants to take your boat and give it to poor people who don't know how to drive it

true.

obummer The Socialist's goal is to make everyone equally poor.

eventually NO one will have a boat. :(

Skipper
10-17-2012, 04:59 PM
The other day I was driving down the road behind a Jeep Liberty. Just above the "Liberty" on the back of the Jeep was an "Obama 2012" sticker...it was such a horrible contradiction that I smashed into the back of the jeep and shoved it off the road. Too bad, it was a pretty cool Jeep.

Forrest-X45
10-17-2012, 05:20 PM
The other day I was driving down the road behind a Jeep Liberty. Just above the "Liberty" on the back of the Jeep was an "Obama 2012" sticker...it was such a horrible contradiction that I smashed into the back of the jeep and shoved it off the road. Too bad, it was a pretty cool Jeep.

LOL - you know how many times that exact thought has crossed my mind? My truck would start to look pretty bashed up because those stupid stickers are all over the place around here. I am fairly sure if you buy a Subaru or Prius the car comes with the sticker. Makes my stomach churn living in such a blue state. Heck - this stupid state would elect Mickey Mouse if he had a D next to his name.

jgraham37128
10-17-2012, 07:24 PM
true.

obummer The Socialist's goal is to make everyone equally poor.

eventually NO one will have a boat. :(

Oh, we'll still have our boats but not sure if I or anyone else can afford $8.00 a gallon of gas. I know I can feel the pain at the pump at $3.75, I couldn't imagine if it was north of $5.00.

Dino Don
10-17-2012, 08:15 PM
Oh, we'll still have our boats but not sure if I or anyone else can afford $8.00 a gallon of gas. I know I can feel the pain at the pump at $3.75, I couldn't imagine if it was north of $5.00.

I agree: no stuff my gas bill is terrible now :mad:

Voodoo
10-17-2012, 08:42 PM
Is it your understanding that the government controls the price of fuel? Big oil/big business/speculators and the free market drives fuel prices -- the first two are Romney's crowd. Romney is an *** clown.

Obama -- a Nobel peace prize recipient, with a kill list -- nice combo.

Voodoo

Double D
10-17-2012, 08:46 PM
Is it your understanding that the government controls the price of fuel? Big oil/big business/speculators and the free market drives fuel prices -- the first two are Romney's crowd. Romney is an *** clown.

Obama -- a Nobel peace prize recipient, with a kill list -- nice combo.

Voodoo

For doing absolutely NOTHING!!! What a JOKE!!!

Voodoo
10-17-2012, 08:48 PM
LOL - you know how many times that exact thought has crossed my mind? My truck would start to look pretty bashed up because those stupid stickers are all over the place around here. I am fairly sure if you buy a Subaru or Prius the car comes with the sticker. Makes my stomach churn living in such a blue state. Heck - this stupid state would elect Mickey Mouse if he had a D next to his name.

Subaru's are bad *** dude. I drive an STI. I also have a diesel Excursion (boat duty only) but the Subi...it's mean. Take some peptobismal and drink the cool-aid. Maybe Romney will solve your problems.

Voodoo

Voodoo
10-17-2012, 08:50 PM
For doing absolutely NOTHING!!! What a JOKE!!!

It's the dichotomy. You didn't get it.

Voodoo

jgraham37128
10-17-2012, 09:04 PM
Subaru's are bad *** dude. I drive an STI. I also have a diesel Excursion (boat duty only) but the Subi...it's mean. Take some peptobismal and drink the cool-aid. Maybe Romney will solve your problems.

Voodoo

He (Romney) may not fix these problems, but it is clear that Obama isn't capable. Which means his a$$ has to go.........

If unemployment is higher and gas is double at the end of his four term then his a$$ will have to go too!

Forrest-X45
10-17-2012, 09:06 PM
Subaru's are bad *** dude. I drive an STI. I also have a diesel Excursion (boat duty only) but the Subi...it's mean. Take some peptobismal and drink the cool-aid. Maybe Romney will solve your problems.

Voodoo

Didn't mean to insult your bada$$ sti. I will clarify my statement and not use Subaru generally and just say Outbacks.
Not drinking the Romney kool-aid either but I only get two choices. Who are you going to pick of the two??? Not much of an option......

mikeg205
10-17-2012, 10:20 PM
TESLA ROCKS....The man (out of time) and the band.......... :D

Saw that doc... too - what a great mind...

Rossterman
10-17-2012, 11:16 PM
My guess is that that Romney's cronies in the oil/gas sector help keep prices up to drive dissatisfaction and votes away from Obama (who isnt as friendly regarding domestic drilling, etc).

I remember buying a house 30 years ago when interest rates were ~ 14%. Real estate agent said don't worry, banks will bring the rates down during the upcoming election a few months away to help insure the current president would be re-elected. Refinanced in November of that year to a 7% rate!

Skipper
10-18-2012, 09:35 AM
Unbelievable! I suppose I am going to need a bigger front bumper. I had no idea so many people were so misled.

Double
10-18-2012, 10:42 AM
Unbelievable! I suppose I am going to need a bigger front bumper. I had no idea so many people were so misled.

the beauty is it's always the other guy that's misled. ;)

rkhodges21
10-18-2012, 11:20 AM
I think this is by far the most relevant campaign add I have seen. It echoes my exact thoughts. I saw it for the first time yesterday. Hopefully this, if nothing else, will hit home for a lot of people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzh-9LBDsGQ

This ad is spot on. When you take the reward away from working hard, everyone will stop trying and expect a free ride as well.

I know Romney will not solve my problems - no politician can. My problems are my responsibility, and in reality, this country's problems are not going to be solved by politicians either. We are dealing with a growing number of people who do not take responsibility for their lives, and expect someone else to raise and teach their children, pay for their education, pay their house payments when they stretch themselves too thin, I could keep going but we all get the point.

Why I am voting for Romney is because I think we stand a better chance of him decreasing funding of programs that are nothing more than handouts. If people have no one to turn to for their well being, they will have to find the strength within themselves to make it. Don't get me wrong, I am all for helping people, but like Dave Ramsey says, sometimes the best help you can give them is to let them hit rock bottom and learn how to help themselves. The old proverb is true, if you give a man a fish he eats for a day, but if you teach him to fish he eats the rest of his life.

Also, I cannot vote for a man who wants to ram legislation down our throats in the name of helping people, but personally gives less than 1% of his income to charities (OBAMA). Then, this man blasts Romney for only paying a 14% tax rate (which is because the majority of his income comes from capital gains, perfectly legal as of right now) when he is giving close to 30% of his income to charitable foundations and churches. If you look at that alone, who does it appear is the more caring person or at least more willing to help people?

My wife also pointed out something interesting. Obama basically said in the debate that we had lost some low wage, low skill jobs to China that will never come back. I guess he thinks that America is above having jobs like that. I don't get his logic in this statement. I mean let's be honest, not everyone is going to college or needs to go to college, because not everyone can be an accountant, a sales rep, an engineer, a business exec, etc. The demand for jobs like that is just not high enough to warrant everyone going to college or trade school. In truth, even though I support higher education, it has made it harder for blue collar people to get jobs because we have so many college educated people flooding the labor force and taking jobs that they are overqualified for. It is getting to the point that you have to go to college to get just about any decent job, and I don't agree with that. Does the president think that Americans should only be the think tanks and then we should send all our designs overseas to the 3rd world workers to do the low wage work for us? How does that help our economy? The truth is it takes a wide range of jobs and skill sets to make our economy run correctly. Just like we need brilliant minds in design, business managment, sales and finances, we also need those "average joes" (for lack of a better term) to take pride in building the products and sending goods out the door for America to thrive. No politician is going to say that, but I believe that is the fact of the matter. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Anyways, my vote is for Romney.

Sullivan
10-18-2012, 12:12 PM
Gas prices reflect the cost of everything right. The stupid *** stimulus spending, QE1, QE2 and now QE3 are driving our currency into the ground. Everyone else around the world sees us printing more money and our prices for goods are going through the roof. Opec has been raising the cost per barrell not because demand is up but rather because we purchase oil with dollars and they know a dollar is not worth what it used to be. As the dollar falls the cost for every day items will rise. Fuel, food, steel, everything!

So, yes I blame Obama for the state of our Nation and where we are.

mzimme
10-18-2012, 12:37 PM
This ad is spot on. When you take the reward away from working hard, everyone will stop trying and expect a free ride as well.

I know Romney will not solve my problems - no politician can. My problems are my responsibility, and in reality, this country's problems are not going to be solved by politicians either. We are dealing with a growing number of people who do not take responsibility for their lives, and expect someone else to raise and teach their children, pay for their education, pay their house payments when they stretch themselves too thin, I could keep going but we all get the point.

Why I am voting for Romney is because I think we stand a better chance of him decreasing funding of programs that are nothing more than handouts. If people have no one to turn to for their well being, they will have to find the strength within themselves to make it. Don't get me wrong, I am all for helping people, but like Dave Ramsey says, sometimes the best help you can give them is to let them hit rock bottom and learn how to help themselves. The old proverb is true, if you give a man a fish he eats for a day, but if you teach him to fish he eats the rest of his life.

Also, I cannot vote for a man who wants to ram legislation down our throats in the name of helping people, but personally gives less than 1% of his income to charities (OBAMA). Then, this man blasts Romney for only paying a 14% tax rate (which is because the majority of his income comes from capital gains, perfectly legal as of right now) when he is giving close to 30% of his income to charitable foundations and churches. If you look at that alone, who does it appear is the more caring person or at least more willing to help people?

My wife also pointed out something interesting. Obama basically said in the debate that we had lost some low wage, low skill jobs to China that will never come back. I guess he thinks that America is above having jobs like that. I don't get his logic in this statement. I mean let's be honest, not everyone is going to college or needs to go to college, because not everyone can be an accountant, a sales rep, an engineer, a business exec, etc. The demand for jobs like that is just not high enough to warrant everyone going to college or trade school. In truth, even though I support higher education, it has made it harder for blue collar people to get jobs because we have so many college educated people flooding the labor force and taking jobs that they are overqualified for. It is getting to the point that you have to go to college to get just about any decent job, and I don't agree with that. Does the president think that Americans should only be the think tanks and then we should send all our designs overseas to the 3rd world workers to do the low wage work for us? How does that help our economy? The truth is it takes a wide range of jobs and skill sets to make our economy run correctly. Just like we need brilliant minds in design, business managment, sales and finances, we also need those "average joes" (for lack of a better term) to take pride in building the products and sending goods out the door for America to thrive. No politician is going to say that, but I believe that is the fact of the matter. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Anyways, my vote is for Romney.


Amen... Whole heartedly agree here. Couldn't have said it better myself.

kyfooter
10-18-2012, 12:44 PM
Romney...I'll gladly vote for a guy who has been as successful as he has running businesses. As for being worth $500 million (or whatever it is), even more reason to like him. As for not being like "us"...maybe that's true...but I'm envious. He made himself wealthy. And as for paying 14% tax rate...even better...he manages to make a lot of money, and keep it in his pocket. And oh by the way...he's following the tax code to do it. He's done nothing illegal, rather he's been wise and efficient.

What should he do? Make a lot, just to give it to the government to waste away? How many government ran programs are actually self-sustaining? Very few, if any. So why is it people think we need even more government to help us...they can't operate as it stands now.

Coming from a business where my time is charged in 6 minute intervals, nothing is more irritating than to see bigger and bigger government, where the incentive to "go the extra mile" is non-existent.

Dino Don
10-18-2012, 12:45 PM
Amen... Whole heartedly agree here. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Agree! Agree! Agree! Well said!

captain planet
10-18-2012, 01:01 PM
The reality on who is better.....



Mitt Romney
Pro NDAA
Pro Patriot Act
Pro Agenda 21
Pro TSA
Pro Carbon tax
Pro Individual Mandate
Pro Abortion
Pro Endless Undeclared Wars
Pro Occupation
Pro Torture
Pro Assassination
Pro Drone Strikes
Pro Aid to Israel and Dictatorships
Pro Drug War
Pro Banker Bailouts
Pro Federal Reserve
Pro IRS and IMF
Pro Corporatism
Pro NAFTA
Pro Illegal Immigration
Pro North American Union
Pro Gun Grab
Funded by Goldman Sachs
Lies to You

Barack Obama
Pro NDAA
Pro Patriot Act
Pro Agenda 21
Pro TSA
Pro Carbon tax
Pro Individual Mandate
Pro Abortion
Pro Endless Undeclared Wars
Pro Occupation
Pro Torture
Pro Assassination
Pro Drone Strikes
Pro Aid to Israel and Dictatorships
Pro Drug War
Pro Banker Bailouts
Pro Federal Reserve
Pro IRS and IMF
Pro Corporatism
Pro NAFTA
Pro Illegal Immigration
Pro North American Union
Pro Gun Grab
Funded by Goldman Sachs
Lies to You


Neither is better.

rkhodges21
10-18-2012, 03:12 PM
Romney...I'll gladly vote for a guy who has been as successful as he has running businesses. As for being worth $500 million (or whatever it is), even more reason to like him. As for not being like "us"...maybe that's true...but I'm envious. He made himself wealthy. And as for paying 14% tax rate...even better...he manages to make a lot of money, and keep it in his pocket. And oh by the way...he's following the tax code to do it. He's done nothing illegal, rather he's been wise and efficient.

What should he do? Make a lot, just to give it to the government to waste away? How many government ran programs are actually self-sustaining? Very few, if any. So why is it people think we need even more government to help us...they can't operate as it stands now.

Coming from a business where my time is charged in 6 minute intervals, nothing is more irritating than to see bigger and bigger government, where the incentive to "go the extra mile" is non-existent.

I agree 100%. I brought up the 30% Romney charity comment to another friend of mine, and he said, "He only did that to get a tax write-off." To which I replied that doing almost anything for a tax write-off is like spending $100 to save $30. But, I feel that anyone giving of their own money to a charity, even if that does mean the gov't gets less of his/her income, has done the greater good because that charity is more than likely going to use that money much more efficiently than any gov't program could hope to. In many ways I wish that the gov't would give a 100% tax credit to charitable giving and/or take the monies allocated to social programs and give it all to charities so that the money will have a greater impact in communities and not be sucked dry by failing bureacracies. Maybe I am way off on that.

jgraham37128
10-18-2012, 03:32 PM
I agree 100%. I brought up the 30% Romney charity comment to another friend of mine, and he said, "He only did that to get a tax write-off." To which I replied that doing almost anything for a tax write-off is like spending $100 to save $30. But, I feel that anyone giving of their own money to a charity, even if that does mean the gov't gets less of his/her income, has done the greater good because that charity is more than likely going to use that money much more efficiently than any gov't program could hope to. In many ways I wish that the gov't would give a 100% tax credit to charitable giving and/or take the monies allocated to social programs and give it all to charities so that the money will have a greater impact in communities and not be sucked dry by failing bureacracies. Maybe I am way off on that.

Oh no your spot on! I agree 100%.

Skipper
10-18-2012, 07:02 PM
Just mailed off my absentee ballot...my vote is for Romney of course.

JimN
10-18-2012, 07:25 PM
My wife also pointed out something interesting. Obama basically said in the debate that we had lost some low wage, low skill jobs to China that will never come back. I guess he thinks that America is above having jobs like that. I don't get his logic in this statement. I mean let's be honest, not everyone is going to college or needs to go to college, because not everyone can be an accountant, a sales rep, an engineer, a business exec, etc. The demand for jobs like that is just not high enough to warrant everyone going to college or trade school.

I don't like being the one to defend Obama, but he did say those low wage jobs won't come back to the US because we can't compete WRT wages, not because America is above having those jobs and before anyone forgets, one of the arguments I have heard in favor of allowing illegals to work in the US is that they're willing and able to do jobs Americans don't want to or are unable to.

You're right- not everyone will go to college or, for that matter, not everyone is "college material" but when you look at a city like Milwaukee, the public school budget is almost equal to the budget for the whole city, yet the test scores are abysmal and they have a 47% dropout rate. Those kids aren't going to have a decent life, won't get a good job (unless they come to their senses) and they definitely won't be going to college unless they get their GED. One of the problems I have with some parents is that they decided they don't want their kids to do manual labor, so the school systems stopped shop classes. People talk/complain about the US becoming a service industry nation, yet they don't want their kid to have a chance of a good job, great pay and if in a union, great benefits. Not all of these kids are "college material" but that doesn't stop the parents from deciding what tehir kids will do for a living.

JimN
10-18-2012, 07:27 PM
I agree 100%. I brought up the 30% Romney charity comment to another friend of mine, and he said, "He only did that to get a tax write-off." To which I replied that doing almost anything for a tax write-off is like spending $100 to save $30. But, I feel that anyone giving of their own money to a charity, even if that does mean the gov't gets less of his/her income, has done the greater good because that charity is more than likely going to use that money much more efficiently than any gov't program could hope to. In many ways I wish that the gov't would give a 100% tax credit to charitable giving and/or take the monies allocated to social programs and give it all to charities so that the money will have a greater impact in communities and not be sucked dry by failing bureacracies. Maybe I am way off on that.

Ask your friend how much he gives to charity and if he says it's not much, ask if he takes the whole $500 write-off allowed by the IRS.

onewheat
10-18-2012, 09:58 PM
Ask your friend how much he gives to charity and if he says it's not much, ask if he takes the whole $500 write-off allowed by the IRS.

I'm sure he feels he is 'entitled' to that whole deduction. I am REALLY hoping some businessman can take control and fix a few broken things in this country. We need serious help.

.

JimN
10-18-2012, 10:19 PM
I'm sure he feels he is 'entitled' to that whole deduction. I am REALLY hoping some businessman can take control and fix a few broken things in this country. We need serious help.

"Entitlement"- there's that word, again.

mikeg205
10-19-2012, 03:25 AM
Entitlement... fricken hate the term...let's follow maslow... (5) lowest - shelter, food, toilet - I work for that...(okay sometimes the toilet is free), (4) safety I work for that, put my family in a safe place good neighborhood, and 1st world keep my boat safe - I work for that...(3) friendship and love I work for that, (2) esteem - I respect others and I earned respect by others... and (1) i love to ski and i have a boat and a great set of sticks drivers and observers...again work for that....

none of this was entitled... as to all the money I paid into S.S. and medicare... I am sure means testing will take it all away.. :(

captain planet
10-19-2012, 01:25 PM
I found this to be an interesting take on the second debate.

7 Phrases You Can’t Say In Presidential Debates
Published on October 18, 2012 by Marc Clair in 2012 Election

While nodding in and out of the 2nd Presidential Debate last night in order to bring our fans their much-expected tweets, it occurred to me that, in addition to the secret debate agreement made regarding how the debate would be conducted, there must be some sort of even more secret list of banned phrases. As far as I can tell, not only were some of the most important topics relating to the office of the Presidency completely ignored, but there were some key phrases that weren’t even allowed to be uttered.

A brief scan through the full transcript shows that I was dead on. Without further ado, the 7 phrases you haven’t and won’t hear in the U.S. Presidential Debates:

“Constitution”

When the President of The United States is sworn into office, he puts his hand on The Constitution and swears an oath to the best of his ability to ”preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” It’s literally right there in his job description. So shouldn’t it maybe get at least a superficial mention? This would be like the Boston Red Sox interviewing for a new manager and never mentioning “baseball.” Though that may actually be how their interview with Bobby Valentine went last year.

“NDAA”

Speaking of the Constitution, we’ve discussed the implications of the indefinite detention provisions of the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act , or commonly referred to as NDAA, over and over and over again on this here site. Maybe we’re just nitpicky, but any law that allows the government to detain anyone without due process, without trial, without a lawyer and without charge just gives us the willies. Not to mention that it blatantly violates the 5th Amendment of the that pesky old U.S. Constitution.

Maybe there’s not a whole lot of debate to be had on the subject. After all, Obama signed the bill into law after requesting the indefinite detention provisions himself . Meanwhile, Mitt Romney has openly admitted that he too would sign the bill into law. Both Green Party Candidate Jill Stein and Libertarian Candidate Gary Johnson oppose the NDAA…but of course they aren’t allowed in these debates.

“Federal Reserve”

All the talk about spending and deficits and tax rates and somehow nobody ever brings up the question of exactly where all this money comes from. Through its inflationary practice of fiat money creation, the Federal Reserve has been stealing the value of our money since 1913. And now that they are the largest holder of U.S. debt, how can we have a conversation about debt and federal spending without mention the enabler of all of it? A privately owned, but government mandated organization has a complete monopoly over the currency of an entire nation, and yet somehow that isn’t deemed an important topic to be discussed amongst candidates for the highest office in the land.

Seems a bit odd, no?

“Marijuana”

One of the many things President Obama and Mitt Romney agree on is their desire to throw people in a cage for the crime of consuming a plant. Every year hundreds of thousands of people are arrested for mere possession of marijuana, a plant known to help many people who are ill with cancer, AIDS, and many other ailments. With 17 states having passed laws partially legalizing marijuana and at least a dozen more considering similar measures, it’s clear that the public is beginning to come to it’s senses regarding the drug war. And yet, not a peep about it during the debates.

Again, perhaps there isn’t much to debate here. President Obama, despite promising not to crack down on States with marijuana laws his administration in reality has been worse than the Bush administration when it comes to raiding medical marijuana facilities. Meanwhile, Mitt Romney told a sick medical marijuana patient to his face that he shouldn’t be allowed to use the plant. Of course, debate watchers would know none of this, as the subject is apparently taboo.

“Drone”

Unmanned drones have become the centerpiece of not only our foreign policy, but also our domestic police state. Between 2004 and 2012, it is estimated that drone strikes in Pakistan resulted in between 2,479-3,180 people were killed by drone strikes. Between 482-832 were civilians, and 175 were children. That is just in Pakistan, not to mention numerous drone strikes killing civilians in other countries such as Yemen, Somalia, and Afghanistan. Now the drones have come to the homeland, already being used for warrantless surveillance by police, and Congress approving funding for up to 30,000 drones to be in the sky by 2020.

Is there any difference between the two candidates on the issue of unconstitutional use of drones both for attacks abroad as well as surveillance at home? You certainly won’t find out by watching the Presidential Debates, but if you’ve read this far I’m pretty sure you can guess the answer.

“Guantanamo”

In yet another failed campaign promise, President Obama has failed to carry out his decree that the military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba be closed. This prison, where many “suspected” terrorists have been held for years without any sort of trial or charge while being subjected to treatment that can only be described as torture, remains a black stain on the United States since its opening after 9/11. While Obama has simply kept it open, Mitt Romney has called for “doubling Guantanamo.” We have no way to know if the people in Guantanamo Bay really are “terrorists” or not, but we do know that if they ever get out, they will certainly hate the United States enough to become one.

“Liberty” and/or “Freedom”

The theoretical first duty of government is to protect the freedom of it’s citizens. The Declaration of Independence, ironically emblazoned on the wall behind the candidates during the last debate, calls for all people the right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” And yet, at not point in the debate were the terms “liberty” of “freedom” used at all.

Every single question seemed to be about what “goodies” people can get “from the government,” be it Pell Grants, birth control, an oil pipeline, etc. The problem with this of course is that, the government doesn’t have anything. It can only take from its citizens that which it promises to dole out to others. The government is seemingly only good at one thing, and that is extracting the wealth of the citizenry. Again maybe we’re just nitpickers, but around here we see theft as an infringement upon personal liberty.

So remember, when these two are up there promising this and that, be they educational grants or more money to military-industrial complex, they are promising to infringe on the freedom of every single one of us. They are promising to ignore the Declaration of Independence behind them and the Constitution they are supposed to swear to uphold. Essentially, they are both promising not to do their job.

And that, my friends, sums up the entire Presidential Debate. We’re hoping to see something different out of the 3rd party debate moderated by Larry King this coming Tuesday, October 23rd. Be sure to follow @LionsOfLiberty on twitter and look for a recap of the debate here!

Dino Don
10-19-2012, 10:51 PM
Well said, Captain Planet--we are in over our heads that is for sure. No fan of the current Pres. for sure but not overly wild about the other. Right now we have to go with the best of the worst and hope for a better day I guess. Chuck Colson said it best when he said we are slowly giving away our personal freedoms that others paid dearly so we could have them.

sp00ky
10-19-2012, 11:12 PM
obama wants to take your boat and give it to poor people who don't know how to drive it

Thats hilarious ..I'm am gonna quote this all weekend!

mikeg205
10-22-2012, 09:52 PM
:rolleyes::rolleyes:yawn....

milkmania
10-22-2012, 09:55 PM
:rolleyes::rolleyes:yawn....

DVR'd it

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/sleep.gif

mikeg205
10-22-2012, 09:56 PM
DVR'd it

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/sleep.gif

waste of digital space...

MC209
10-22-2012, 09:58 PM
boring. . . . . . . .

LYNRDSKYNRD
10-22-2012, 10:14 PM
X2^^

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milkmania
10-22-2012, 10:32 PM
waste of digital space...

I think I'll overwrite it with a rerun of Married with Children.....


http://cdn5.f-cdn.com/contestentries/13/1979992/2996-3838-13070464534de7f235f0945/Al%20Bundy_thumb900.jpg

Willski
10-23-2012, 11:31 AM
Didn't watch the debate last night since I voted about 4pm yesterday!!

captain planet
10-25-2012, 01:08 PM
Well said, Captain Planet--we are in over our heads that is for sure. No fan of the current Pres. for sure but not overly wild about the other. Right now we have to go with the best of the worst and hope for a better day I guess. Chuck Colson said it best when he said we are slowly giving away our personal freedoms that others paid dearly so we could have them.

They are going away quicker than you think, unfortunately. :mad:

captain planet
10-25-2012, 01:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5EcaX12h46k

Here is the 3rd party debate. In this one they actually talk about issues that matter. You can skip to the debate itself and pass by the debate show portion at the top of the screen.

aquaman
10-25-2012, 04:57 PM
Thank God I live in Texas !

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/un-treaties/264121-texas-sparks-international-row-with-election-observers

mikeg205
10-25-2012, 06:22 PM
Thank God I live in Texas !

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/un-treaties/264121-texas-sparks-international-row-with-election-observers

I want to move to Texas....but not by Kyle... the bugs are too big over there....

Double D
10-26-2012, 08:10 AM
Saw this today, thought I would share.

_________________________________________________
As with most things from this administration, the President's newly minted economic plan is self-indulgent and dishonest.

More from Nordlinger, Barone, Cooke, and Murdock on NRO.
_________________________________________________

The President's Ridiculous Pamphlet

BY THE EDITORS

Barack Obama has released a ridiculous little 20-page pamphlet — 20 pages with lots of pictures — detailing his agenda for a second term. He calls it the “New Economic Patriotism,” and if that name seems to you redolent of early-20th-century totalitarians, that may be because it is not the first N.E.P.: Lenin’s was the Novaya Ekonomicheskaya Politika. Mitt Romney published an economic-policy book, too. No pictures.

Apparently, Obama’s second term is to be a more or less precise repeat of his first term. In fact, the sixth item on his seven-point list merely touts Obamacare, which, if memory serves, already has been passed. He also wants to add six-figure numbers to the headcounts of the public-sector unions that finance and staff his campaign. And build batteries. There’s no picture of the batteries, but there are 17 photographs of the president, most of them centerfolds. In fact, photographs of the president gazing down benevolently upon children, doctors, oldsters, and one guy with a baseball cap on sideways account for about 80 percent of the space in the booklet. That is appropriate, inasmuch as the Obama campaign, like the Obama presidency, is not about jobs or economic growth: It is about Barack Obama.

Such scant substance as there is exhibits the president’s characteristic dishonesty. He repeats the canard about tax deductions for outsourcing, when in fact no special tax deduction exists. (Business expenses are deductible when calculating income for tax purposes — that’s it. No special benefit for outsourcing expenses exists.) He boasts that his policies have led to a dramatic reduction in oil imports, and he is in a sense correct: Demand for oil is down because the economy is stagnant. Demand for lots of things is down for the same reason, and Obama’s policies are an important part of the reason for that. He suggests that we will reduce our demand for foreign oil even further by investing in wind, solar, and clean coal. He is not very clear on how that will work, since those technologies are used to produce electricity, which is not what we use oil for. Perhaps he thinks the country runs on diesel generators. Cars that run on cool breezes and sunshine are not yet commercially available.

In truth, Obama’s policies are a dagger pointed at the heart of the American energy industry. Oil production on federal lands is declining, and his EPA is poised to pounce upon the natural-gas industry, threatening to squelch innovative techniques for recovering natural gas from shale deposits. In the unhappy event the president should win reelection, he will not be constrained by the thought of having to face the voters again, and his EPA will be off the leash.

The president also repeats his misleading statement about job growth in “the auto industry rescued by President Obama.” (Sure, you taxpayers may have played a role, too, but don’t expect a mention.) In truth, most of the growth in automotive employment has not been at the bailed-out firms, which still are significantly underperforming such competitors as Toyota and Volkswagen.
He boasts of the three free-trade pacts he has signed, every one of which was handed down to him by the Bush administration. In fact, he slow-walked the Colombia trade pact under pressure from his labor-union allies.

He proposes to cut corporate tax rates. It is our understanding that there is another candidate in the race with a similar idea.
He proposes to create 20 federal institutes for innovation in manufacturing, because innovation is the first thing most people think of when they think of the federal government.

He also promises to cut spending and to reduce the deficit, issues upon which he simply has no credibility. If he were going to adopt a deficit-reduction plan, he would have proposed one by now instead of torpedoing every idea sent his way for the last four years, including the recommendations of his own deficit-reduction commission.

If patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, what is economic patriotism? The last refuge of a man with President Obama’s record.

_________________________________

As always, thank you for your support and please don't hesitate to call or write if you have questions or comments. I can be reached at polivett@nationalreview.com or (814) 883 - 8067.

Paul Olivett, Associate Publisher
National Review, Inc.

captain planet
10-26-2012, 12:54 PM
I have argued that these two idiots are the same.......it just took John Stewart to prove it.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-23-2012/democalypse-2012---we-missed-nlcs-game-7-for-this


here is more for you to enjoy.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-23-2012/democalypse-2012---we-missed-nlcs-game-7-for-this---mitt-romney-s-leadership

CantRepeat
10-26-2012, 02:27 PM
I have argued that these two idiots are the same.......it just took John Stewart to prove it.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-23-2012/democalypse-2012---we-missed-nlcs-game-7-for-this


here is more for you to enjoy.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-23-2012/democalypse-2012---we-missed-nlcs-game-7-for-this---mitt-romney-s-leadership

Regardless, Ron Paul doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected. Moreover, every vote for Ron Paul is you walking into the booth and click on Obama. So when Obama gets reelected please don't tell us how much you hate the current president because you didn't do anything significant to not get him reelected. Fact.

captain planet
10-26-2012, 04:29 PM
Regardless, Ron Paul doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected. Moreover, every vote for Ron Paul is you walking into the booth and click on Obama. So when Obama gets reelected please don't tell us how much you hate the current president because you didn't do anything significant to not get him reelected. Fact.

This isn't the Ron Paul thread. I was just adding to the 'who's better....' aspect of these two numb-nutz. They are essentially the same with some social issue differences which I think we all agree are just there to separate us.

But since you brought it up, the republicans made their bed, now they can lay in it. They have alienated millions of Ron Paul supporters with their antics and activities during the primaries to marginalize Ron Paul and now they will pay the piper.

mitt obomney will pretty much say whatever is necessary to get elected and the people see this. It is pretty transparent...well if you are paying attention it is transparent. And people don't like him. They think he is an elitist, smug, shallow, and fake. Now, please don't take this as an endorsement of obama. He is no better. Fact is, both of these guys want to spend more when we don't have it to spend so they are no different. I'm sure if obomney wins the country will instantly turn around, the budget will get balanced, and the deficit will go away and magically all these jobs will instantly get created....just like obomney has said time and time again........

Sorry, I'm not voting for either. You all know where I stand. My final post in the Ron Paul thread will be a picture of my ballot with his name written in.

CantRepeat
10-26-2012, 04:45 PM
My final post in the Ron Paul thread will be a picture of my ballot with his name written in.

*golf clap*

Great way to make zero impact on your country's issues. :(

Forrest-X45
10-26-2012, 05:16 PM
Your vote is even more critical to get Obumer out of office since you are in a very important swing state. This election is hanging on Ohio and Wisconsin so your vote really counts, unlike mine which is going to Obumer because of my really blue state.

Something to think about, CP.......

Double D
10-26-2012, 06:00 PM
Give up on CP, he is locked in to his choice to not vote Nobama out of an office he never deserved to be in the first place. I feel sorry for our country with four more years of this administration. My vote is Romney! Come on Ohio, we need to get Obama out!!


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jgraham37128
10-26-2012, 07:05 PM
This isn't the Ron Paul thread. I was just adding to the 'who's better....' aspect of these two numb-nutz. They are essentially the same with some social issue differences which I think we all agree are just there to separate us.

But since you brought it up, the republicans made their bed, now they can lay in it. They have alienated millions of Ron Paul supporters with their antics and activities during the primaries to marginalize Ron Paul and now they will pay the piper.

mitt obomney will pretty much say whatever is necessary to get elected and the people see this. It is pretty transparent...well if you are paying attention it is transparent. And people don't like him. They think he is an elitist, smug, shallow, and fake. Now, please don't take this as an endorsement of obama. He is no better. Fact is, both of these guys want to spend more when we don't have it to spend so they are no different. I'm sure if obomney wins the country will instantly turn around, the budget will get balanced, and the deficit will go away and magically all these jobs will instantly get created....just like obomney has said time and time again........

Sorry, I'm not voting for either. You all know where I stand. My final post in the Ron Paul thread will be a picture of my ballot with his name written in.


Well I give you props for at least voting, but what would be better is writing in Captain Planet on the ballet!

Skipper
10-26-2012, 10:14 PM
As much as I really despise that one guy on this site he has a valid point. Writing in anybody and not voting for Romney is just the same as voting for Osama. That is especially true in the key states that will actually decide the election. The one freedom that we still have in this nation is the right to vote...don't throw it away just to prove a point. Instead, throw that no good, terrorist loving, socialist snapper head out on his arse!

JimN
10-26-2012, 10:17 PM
The Quote of the Decade:

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

DemolitionMan
10-26-2012, 10:57 PM
My final post in the Ron Paul thread will be a picture of my ballot with his name written in.[/QUOTE]

You need to check with your board of elections before you take that pic. A man running for office here in Georgia got in trouble for posting a pic of his ballot on FB.

DemolitionMan
10-26-2012, 11:35 PM
This isn't the Ron Paul thread. I was just adding to the 'who's better....' aspect of these two numb-nutz. They are essentially the same with some social issue differences which I think we all agree are just there to separate us.

But since you brought it up, the republicans made their bed, now they can lay in it. They have alienated millions of Ron Paul supporters with their antics and activities during the primaries to marginalize Ron Paul and now they will pay the piper.

mitt obomney will pretty much say whatever is necessary to get elected and the people see this. It is pretty transparent...well if you are paying attention it is transparent. And people don't like him. They think he is an elitist, smug, shallow, and fake. Now, please don't take this as an endorsement of obama. He is no better. Fact is, both of these guys want to spend more when we don't have it to spend so they are no different. I'm sure if obomney wins the country will instantly turn around, the budget will get balanced, and the deficit will go away and magically all these jobs will instantly get created....just like obomney has said time and time again........

Sorry, I'm not voting for either. You all know where I stand. My final post in the Ron Paul thread will be a picture of my ballot with his name written in.

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local/fox_cities/illegal-to-post-pictures-of-ballot

Traxx822
10-28-2012, 03:58 PM
A Lesson In Irony….

The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S> Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever, to 46 million people. @ $2.2Trillion

Meanwhile, the National Parks Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to “Please Do Not Feed the Animals”. Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to care of themselves.

What does the Park Service know that the Depart of Agriculture does not?

mikeg205
10-28-2012, 05:57 PM
A Lesson In Irony….

The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S> Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever, to 46 million people. @ $2.2Trillion

Meanwhile, the National Parks Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to “Please Do Not Feed the Animals”. Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to care of themselves.

What does the Park Service know that the Depart of Agriculture does not?

Good one Trent.... very good....

captain planet
10-29-2012, 12:19 PM
My final post in the Ron Paul thread will be a picture of my ballot with his name written in.

You need to check with your board of elections before you take that pic. A man running for office here in Georgia got in trouble for posting a pic of his ballot on FB.[/QUOTE]

I actually thought about that the other day, so I may have to recant that statement......the posting a picture part.

Double D
10-29-2012, 04:29 PM
This about sums it up!

.....

Dino Don
10-30-2012, 03:11 AM
The Quote of the Decade:

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006


Words as compared with actions--the sign of a true hypocrite!!!! :mad:

aquaman
10-30-2012, 08:33 AM
Words as compared with actions--the sign of a true hypocrite!!!! :mad:

Its also the sign of a Liar.

He's not only incompetent but openly deceitful.

Traxx822
10-30-2012, 08:45 AM
This about sums it up!

.....
Awesome

BriEOD
10-30-2012, 09:32 AM
For a good laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTCRwi71_ns&noredirect=1

Nick911
11-05-2012, 11:25 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/06/ete5uju3.jpg

Skipper
11-06-2012, 06:41 AM
That is painfully true!

Prinz Eugen
11-06-2012, 01:36 PM
That's the best one I seen yet

mondos829
11-06-2012, 05:23 PM
86355

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
11-06-2012, 07:22 PM
86355

Where's the like button

Ron Grover
11-07-2012, 07:59 AM
Wednesday, the day after. :-)))

jgraham37128
11-07-2012, 08:41 AM
I can't wait to see what gas prices will be in 2016!

mzimme
11-07-2012, 09:05 AM
I can't wait to see what gas prices will be in 2016!

God that'd be nice...

aquaman
11-07-2012, 09:18 AM
God that'd be nice...

Don't hold your breath.

Now the election is over you will see gas prices go UP.

mzimme
11-07-2012, 09:27 AM
Don't hold your breath.

Now the election is over you will see gas prices go UP.

Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath... but it sure would ease the pain in my *** every time I go to the pump.

h2oskifreak
11-07-2012, 09:52 AM
This Obama guy is a clown and we all are paying for his Circus Act. If you didn't get it after the last 4 years, you will by 2016! He's either going to be known as the Greatest President ever, or the worst ever. 8 years will be enough to correct the problems, or run this sucker into the ground. I have ZERO confidence the National Debt will go down with this administration and truely believe we are going down. The real problem is NOBODY has a plan that will be effective, at least nobody that ran. Flat tax is the answer. People who don't have the money to spend won't be taxed heavy and the people with disposable income will pay more. Eliminate the IRS and be done with all the wealty people paying no taxes. Oh, almost forgot... quit being the "Worlds Policeman". Might seem radical, but we are in horrible shape and we need extreme actions to correct this crap.

Traxx822
11-07-2012, 10:09 AM
I fill 3 trucks everyday. last week it was over 1000 dollars if it goes up any higher I'm going to have to start downsizing the biz.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

JimN
11-07-2012, 10:18 AM
This Obama guy is a clown and we all are paying for his Circus Act. If you didn't get it after the last 4 years, you will by 2016! He's either going to be known as the Greatest President ever, or the worst ever. 8 years will be enough to correct the problems, or run this sucker into the ground. I have ZERO confidence the National Debt will go down with this administration and truely believe we are going down. The real problem is NOBODY has a plan that will be effective, at least nobody that ran. Flat tax is the answer. People who don't have the money to spend won't be taxed heavy and the people with disposable income will pay more. Eliminate the IRS and be done with all the wealty people paying no taxes. Oh, almost forgot... quit being the "Worlds Policeman". Might seem radical, but we are in horrible shape and we need extreme actions to correct this crap.

Congress will probably never pass a flat tax or abolish the IRS, which employs tens of thousands of people.

Wealthy people pay no taxes? You really need to look into that. All of the talk that Romney paid about 14% needed a strong reply from him- his income isn't from wages, it's from interest, dividends and capital gains and it still amounted to more than a $1M paid to the IRS. He also donated close to $4M- that's more than Obama made. Obama's net worth is reported as being about $11.5Million, yet he talks about "the wealthy" as if they were his sworn enemy. HE IS ONE!

Smart people look at the rules and use them to their advantage- victims just sit there and complain.

WRT being the World's Policemen- you know what happens when you feed a stray animal? It becomes dependent on you and if you stop feeding it, it gets mad. If we stop feeding the animals, leaving the country will be a very bad idea. You think the Somali pirates are bad now? Just wait.

JimN
11-07-2012, 10:20 AM
I fill 3 trucks everyday. last week it was over 1000 dollars if it goes up any higher I'm going to have to start downsizing the biz.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

You're not charging for fuel/mileage for these trucks? I assume they're for a business, right?

jgraham37128
11-07-2012, 10:32 AM
I fill 3 trucks everyday. last week it was over 1000 dollars if it goes up any higher I'm going to have to start downsizing the biz.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

Just think back in 2008 that would be cut in half. So you spent $500.00 last month and you would get to keep an additional $500.00. What would you do with the extra $500.00? Hide it under your mattress like all the rich mean people do?

mzimme
11-07-2012, 10:37 AM
Just think back in 2008 that would be cut in half. So you spent $500.00 last month and you would get to keep an additional $500.00. What would you do with the extra $500.00? Hide it under your mattress like all the rich mean people do?

If I had the 500 bucks, I'd dump it into the economy by buying boat stuff. :D

jdl xstar
11-07-2012, 10:43 AM
Wealthy people pay no taxes? You really need to look into that. All of the talk that Romney paid about 14% needed a strong reply from him- his income isn't from wages, it's from interest, dividends and capital gains and it still amounted to more than a $1M paid to the IRS. He also donated close to $4M- that's more than Obama made. Obama's net worth is reported as being about $11.5Million, yet he talks about "the wealthy" as if they were his sworn enemy. HE IS ONE!

Smart people look at the rules and use them to their advantage- victims just sit there and complain.



You are right on but, so sadly, this concept is lost on the general public. I was particularly bothered by the liberal assault on Romney for "not paying his fair share" and for paying "less" than the 50k worker. What a bunch of chit. His income from interest/divs/cap gains is meant to encourage invetsment in our companies. Without those investments from the likes of Romney, companies will not survive. Those are the rules and he is playign within them. Should Romney just openly write a check for $10M to the IRS above what he is required to pay? Not even Barbara Streisand does that. Ridiculous.

Romney EARNED his money by takign risks. He found a way to make money and thankfully he gives about 30% of his income PER YEAR to charity. How much do the BO supporters give back? And if folks are so bothered with Romney's wealth, where were they when John Kerry was running and he simply MARRIED into a ketchup family. Last i heard, the Kennedy's weren't so bad off either.

Point is, the current admin turned this campaign into class warfare and I'm just sick about it. Additionally, they diverted attention from a woeful record which is the residual of failed policy decisions and successfully tricked the mass public into thinking abortion rights was the #1 issue at stake.

Obama ran on "change" as in a different type of approach to government and politics. But he is the grand master of political tricks and manipulation and low and behold, he won on that.

Ok, I'll take a breath now.

Kyle
11-07-2012, 10:47 AM
You're not charging for fuel/mileage for these trucks? I assume they're for a business, right?

If it is for his business please remember that Obama made it.

Obama said that the small business owners didnt build their business, the government (he) did.

It has nothing to do with going to get educated, working 60, 80 hours per week, sacrificing friends and family due to work obligations, or even the fact that no one guided me or any other business owner. The sorry sob just takes credit for it all.

So having my own business now 9 years (way before that cork sucking lying sob took office) he is now taking credit. He's a communist son of a birch.


Everyone should hold on because he is going to ruin this nation even more and double our debt by 2016.

Kyle
11-07-2012, 10:53 AM
If I had the 500 bucks, I'd dump it into the economy by buying boat stuff. :D

Dude

Be smart now. If you have $500 extra then you should be buying guns and ammunition. You will need it one day or if you do not need it you can sell it years from now for an extremely high markup.

mzimme
11-07-2012, 10:56 AM
Dude

Be smart now. If you have $500 extra then you should be buying guns and ammunition. You will need it one day or if you do not need it you can sell it years from now for an extremely high markup.

Who says the 500 dollars isn't going to a boat mounted machine gun?? :D

aquaman
11-07-2012, 11:00 AM
If it is for his business please remember that Obama made it.

Obama said that the small business owners didnt build their business, the government (he) did.

It has nothing to do with going to get educated, working 60, 80 hours per week, sacrificing friends and family due to work obligations, or even the fact that no one guided me or any other business owner. The sorry sob just takes credit for it all.

So having my own business now 9 years (way before that cork sucking lying sob took office) he is now taking credit. He's a communist son of a birch.


Everyone should hold on because he is going to ruin this nation even more and double our debt by 2016.



good analysis of the truth.
thanks

Kyle
11-07-2012, 11:01 AM
Who says the 500 dollars isn't going to a boat mounted machine gun?? :D

Would love to see one mounted to your fly high ;)

jgraham37128
11-07-2012, 11:06 AM
Why is the stock market down 300 points today? What's going on?

mikeg205
11-07-2012, 11:08 AM
Why is the stock market down 300 points today? What's going on?

Obama won...then he spoke...everytime he speaks about the economy....the stock market takes a crapper..

Kyle
11-07-2012, 11:13 AM
Why is the stock market down 300 points today? What's going on?

Because that greasy sob got re elected.


Mark my words. The average down market is 18 years. We have been in a down market for 12 years now. 9-11, then crash in '08, then flash crash etc. We will be in a down market for at least 4-6 more years. Maybe even longer.....

Traxx822
11-07-2012, 11:14 AM
Correct. 6 employees. 3 trucks and ne and my fiance total 8 for my company. It results in about $35k more a year in taxes combining bush tax cuts expire and new obama care. (Which neither me or my empkiyees are eligable for) we really have to make some serious changes. Paycuts, layoffs, etc are no option as we will go OOB. So I refuse to quit. Refuse to accept defeat. Our company motto is "By Any Means Necessary" and I mean it. We wont take it lying down. We will be forced to be more efficient with less. Not a stranger to that with my military background. I work best under pressure. I wont fail my team. And any business owner should hopefully do the same.

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TxsRiverRat
11-07-2012, 11:17 AM
Obama's net worth is reported as being about $11.5Million, yet he talks about "the wealthy" as if they were his sworn enemy. HE IS ONE!

Fidel Castro came from a wealth as well and spoke of the wealthy as the enemy too

Sodar
11-07-2012, 11:27 AM
Because that greasy sob got re elected.


Mark my words. The average down market is 18 years. We have been in a down market for 12 years now. 9-11, then crash in '08, then flash crash etc. We will be in a down market for at least 4-6 more years. Maybe even longer.....

Here's what all of you who are feeling crappy about Obama's win should be thankful for... The economy is going to continue to be stagnant or even constrict over the next 4 years. This is a fact and no matter if Romney or Obama were in office it is still going to occur. All Romney could have done is possibly create another short bubble. If Romney would have won yesterday, in 4 years he, Republicans and even worse 'capitalism', would have been made the blame of the stagnant or constricting economy. When Obama is done in 4 years and everything is just the same as it is now, or maybe slightly worse. There will be no blaming republicans, capitalism, or Romney. We can all be efficient and frugal with our money, our businesses, and weather the storm, if we are resourceful. This is the pretty much the only good that can come of the O man being re-elected.

mikeg205
11-07-2012, 11:31 AM
Here's what all of you who are feeling crappy about Obama's win should be thankful for... The economy is going to continue to be stagnant or even constrict over the next 4 years. This is a fact and no matter if Romney or Obama were in office it is still going to occur. All Romney could have done is possibly create another short bubble. If Romney would have won yesterday, in 4 years he, Republicans and even worse 'capitalism', would have been made the blame of the stagnant or constricting economy. When Obama is done in 4 years and everything is just the same as it is now, or maybe slightly worse. There will be no blaming republicans, capitalism, or Romney. We can all be efficient and frugal with our money, our businesses, and weather the storm, if we are resourceful. This is the pretty much the only good that can come of the O man being re-elected.

Great point of view...

mzimme
11-07-2012, 11:36 AM
Here's what all of you who are feeling crappy about Obama's win should be thankful for... The economy is going to continue to be stagnant or even constrict over the next 4 years. This is a fact and no matter if Romney or Obama were in office it is still going to occur. All Romney could have done is possibly create another short bubble. If Romney would have won yesterday, in 4 years he, Republicans and even worse 'capitalism', would have been made the blame of the stagnant or constricting economy. When Obama is done in 4 years and everything is just the same as it is now, or maybe slightly worse. There will be no blaming republicans, capitalism, or Romney. We can all be efficient and frugal with our money, our businesses, and weather the storm, if we are resourceful. This is the pretty much the only good that can come of the O man being re-elected.

There's more good news... My sticker on my Jeep will continue to piss obama supporters off for 4 more years :D

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u99/zimstang/20121104_155017.jpg

Sodar
11-07-2012, 11:37 AM
Tacky.

Traxx822
11-07-2012, 11:37 AM
Thanks for keeping the prospective. we have to endure. And they have no one to blame but Obama. Although I am very pissed off. Very very PO.

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mzimme
11-07-2012, 11:38 AM
Tacky.

Maybe so, but that's just my beat up in the woods toy... so whatever.

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
11-07-2012, 11:38 AM
Here's what all of you who are feeling crappy about Obama's win should be thankful for... The economy is going to continue to be stagnant or even constrict over the next 4 years. This is a fact and no matter if Romney or Obama were in office it is still going to occur. All Romney could have done is possibly create another short bubble. If Romney would have won yesterday, in 4 years he, Republicans and even worse 'capitalism', would have been made the blame of the stagnant or constricting economy. When Obama is done in 4 years and everything is just the same as it is now, or maybe slightly worse. There will be no blaming republicans, capitalism, or Romney. We can all be efficient and frugal with our money, our businesses, and weather the storm, if we are resourceful. This is the pretty much the only good that can come of the O man being re-elected.

Fair point, but obama will still blame bush...

Skipper
11-07-2012, 11:39 AM
Yeah, you don't like the pissing boy do you? I was forced to remove my pissing on Chad avatar a few years ago. Well, piss on Obama.

Bob B
11-07-2012, 11:50 AM
Wall Street pros said much of the sell-off is coming from computerized trading programs, which trigger huge sell-offs of stocks when certain price levels are hit versus investors who are making decisions in the moment to sell. Others said negative sentiment was amplified after European Central Bank President Mario Draghi expressed concerns ahead of the U.S. market open about the outlook for Europe's economies, especially Germany,

jdl xstar
11-07-2012, 12:12 PM
Wall Street pros said much of the sell-off is coming from computerized trading programs, which trigger huge sell-offs of stocks when certain price levels are hit versus investors who are making decisions in the moment to sell. Others said negative sentiment was amplified after European Central Bank President Mario Draghi expressed concerns ahead of the U.S. market open about the outlook for Europe's economies, especially Germany,

No true wall street pro will put his neck out there and directly blame Obamo- doing so isn't good for your career. Pundits on TV are mostly libs so they don't like to point finger at themselves.

True that sell offs can be accerlerated by computer programs but what i am seeing is that the market started to move up prior to the election on the chance romney would win and address fiscal cliff. With BO winning, the fiscal cliff becomes more urgent and our debt crisis is very much in play. The gravity of these situations is being reflected in themarkets today and will likely contibue.

jgraham37128
11-07-2012, 12:19 PM
No true wall street pro will put his neck out there and directly blame Obamo- doing so isn't good for your career. Pundits on TV are mostly libs so they don't like to point finger at themselves.

True that sell offs can be accerlerated by computer programs but what i am seeing is that the market started to move up prior to the election on the chance romney would win and address fiscal cliff. With BO winning, the fiscal cliff becomes more urgent and our debt crisis is very much in play. The gravity of these situations is being reflected in themarkets today and will likely contibue.

Bingo!......We have a winner!

aquaman
11-07-2012, 12:37 PM
Large investors are taking profits now, while capital gains tax rates are lower.

WHY would they want to wait to sell when tax rates will likely be higher soon.


The market sell-off is because BO got re-elected.....not because Europe has been on the ropes for awhile.

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
11-07-2012, 12:59 PM
Large investors are taking profits now, while capital gains tax rates are lower.

WHY would they want to wait to sell when tax rates will likely be higher soon.


The market sell-off is because BO got re-elected.....not because Europe has been on the ropes for awhile.

I wonder if this is the reason Lucasfilm sold to disney last month for $4billion:rolleyes:

aquaman
11-07-2012, 01:50 PM
You would be correct.

Minimize taxes and the continuing soft economy.

Ski-me
11-07-2012, 01:51 PM
Here's what all of you who are feeling crappy about Obama's win should be thankful for... The economy is going to continue to be stagnant or even constrict over the next 4 years. This is a fact and no matter if Romney or Obama were in office it is still going to occur. All Romney could have done is possibly create another short bubble. If Romney would have won yesterday, in 4 years he, Republicans and even worse 'capitalism', would have been made the blame of the stagnant or constricting economy. When Obama is done in 4 years and everything is just the same as it is now, or maybe slightly worse. There will be no blaming republicans, capitalism, or Romney. We can all be efficient and frugal with our money, our businesses, and weather the storm, if we are resourceful. This is the pretty much the only good that can come of the O man being re-elected.

This is exactly what I was thinking in the back of my mind but didn't quite know how to say it. You hit it exactly Sodar, thanks!:cool:

jeverett
11-07-2012, 02:22 PM
Large investors are taking profits now, while capital gains tax rates are lower.

WHY would they want to wait to sell when tax rates will likely be higher soon.


The market sell-off is because BO got re-elected.....not because Europe has been on the ropes for awhile.

Cash and Cashflow is always King! With this administration putting a noose around the central bank and only dolling out $$ to "friends of the administration" Large companies will continue not to hire and preserve cash. If Europe falls we will go the same day or the very next day. Polish up on your Chinese guys because the only people that can bail us out now is China!

jeverett
11-07-2012, 02:29 PM
You're not charging for fuel/mileage for these trucks? I assume they're for a business, right?

Sometimes you have to look at Value Added (what the customer will pay for) vs. Non-Value Added (what is free to the customer) just to keep any business at all. For anyone to compete in this day and age against large competitors it si the Non-Value Added that often times makes the difference.

JimN
11-07-2012, 02:40 PM
Just think back in 2008 that would be cut in half. So you spent $500.00 last month and you would get to keep an additional $500.00. What would you do with the extra $500.00? Hide it under your mattress like all the rich mean people do?

You don't get or stay rich by spending all of your money. If a matress is safer than anything else, why is this a problem?

JimN
11-07-2012, 02:49 PM
Sometimes you have to look at Value Added (what the customer will pay for) vs. Non-Value Added (what is free to the customer) just to keep any business at all. For anyone to compete in this day and age against large competitors it si the Non-Value Added that often times makes the difference.

I know- I haven't been charging for vehicle trips unless the distance makes it necessary. If they institute a VAT, we're all screwed.

jgraham37128
11-07-2012, 04:03 PM
You don't get or stay rich by spending all of your money. If a matress is safer than anything else, why is this a problem?

I agree, I was being sarcastic. It's your money, do with it how you like, since it's your money.

DemolitionMan
11-07-2012, 04:14 PM
:d:d;)

Traxx822
11-07-2012, 04:14 PM
Sometimes you have to look at Value Added (what the customer will pay for) vs. Non-Value Added (what is free to the customer) just to keep any business at all. For anyone to compete in this day and age against large competitors it si the Non-Value Added that often times makes the difference.

I mistook the question you're responding to here. This is my business and my trucks so noone reimburses me but myself.

But to reply to you. I have never considered money saved as money made. However, with competition being so tight. Saving 3% charging all my fuel and speedy (speedway) rewards on fuel as well as constant drive for more efficiency keeps us competitive. But it does not actually make any money. It just saves it. We will all be pinching every penny we can you are right

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aquaman
11-07-2012, 05:31 PM
Simple Solution :)

hondaprlud
11-07-2012, 05:37 PM
I've got to admit I'm pretty dismayed by the results.



But my unborn grand-kids are FURIOUS.

jgraham37128
11-07-2012, 06:15 PM
You've got to see this to believe it. Of course ironic it's in Ohio.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-wear-idiot-sign-traffic-gaffe-article-1.1197276

aquaman
11-07-2012, 06:41 PM
Do you think she is Smart Enough to wear an "idiot" sign ?

2RLAKE
11-07-2012, 06:46 PM
You've got to see this to believe it. Of course ironic it's in Ohio.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-wear-idiot-sign-traffic-gaffe-article-1.1197276

As an Ohioan what can i say? I'm still somewhat in shock at the general apathy

OK guys .... 3 years and 364 more days to the next President!

mikeg205
11-07-2012, 07:58 PM
As a friend posted on Facebook - another 4 years of poop sandwich... :(.

Well....economy will recover meagerly...so I guess I'm stuck in poopy illinois.

Gotta luv this...

Between 2000-2010, Illinois saw a large number of citizens move from the Democratic stronghold of Chicago to the more Republican friendly suburbs. With Democrats in charge of the legislature and governorship, however, they were able to draw maps beneficial to their party. This resulted in a number of districts that begin in Chicago and wind out into the suburbs like the spokes in a wheel. Democrats released their plan with little data and were criticized from all sides. The map, which Republicans said would guarantee a GOP minority for the next decade, was quickly passed and signed into law. Republicans challenged the map in court but saw the case thrown out... :(

Traxx822
11-07-2012, 08:09 PM
As a friend posted on Facebook - another 4 years of poop sandwich... :(.

Well....economy will recover meagerly...so I guess I'm stuck in poopy illinois.

Gotta luv this...

Between 2000-2010, Illinois saw a large number of citizens move from the Democratic stronghold of Chicago to the more Republican friendly suburbs. With Democrats in charge of the legislature and governorship, however, they were able to draw maps beneficial to their party. This resulted in a number of districts that begin in Chicago and wind out into the suburbs like the spokes in a wheel. Democrats released their plan with little data and were criticized from all sides. The map, which Republicans said would guarantee a GOP minority for the next decade, was quickly passed and signed into law. Republicans challenged the map in court but saw the case thrown out... :(

Where else are we going to send them. They destroyed the whole south shore. Opened section 8 in the subs. Now rep counties are seeing the downfall. I mean buy a lawn mower already ... Bolingbrook, country club hills, Romeoville. Oh crap nooooo Plainfield too. I might stay in Texas the more I think about it. Chi town will never be the same.

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jdl xstar
11-08-2012, 09:04 AM
Nothing really surprises me anymore but I had to point out that Illinois Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. was reelected in a landslide despite being in a clinic to treat severe bipolar disorder. Legal issues persist, but thats par for the course in Chi-town politics. Reminds me of when Marion Barry in DC got reelected as mayor after serving 6 months in jail for being caught on camera using crack.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Jesse-Jackson-Jr-Wins-Reelection--175717941.html

Too bad Romney didn't add bipolar disorder to his lengthy resume or else perhaps he couldve "connected" better with the voters like JJ Jr. did.

ski/hunt
11-08-2012, 09:18 AM
Democratic headquarters in Lebanon, Ohio.....truck load of manure--wish I had been in that truck tues night....:)86387

aquaman
11-08-2012, 09:21 AM
Nothing really surprises me anymore but I had to point out that Illinois Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. was reelected in a landslide despite being in a clinic to treat severe bipolar disorder. Legal issues persist, but thats par for the course in Chi-town politics. Reminds me of when Marion Barry in DC got reelected as mayor after serving 6 months in jail for being caught on camera using crack.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Jesse-Jackson-Jr-Wins-Reelection--175717941.html

Too bad Romney didn't add bipolar disorder to his lengthy resume or else perhaps he couldve "connected" better with the voters like JJ Jr. did.



Bi-polar is less a disorder......than the result of Chronic Drug abuse....JJJ is a drug addict in a suit.

btw Its NOT treatable........only managed.

Like father like son.

mikeg205
11-08-2012, 10:05 AM
Where else are we going to send them. They destroyed the whole south shore. Opened section 8 in the subs. Now rep counties are seeing the downfall. I mean buy a lawn mower already ... Bolingbrook, country club hills, Romeoville. Oh crap nooooo Plainfield too. I might stay in Texas the more I think about it. Chi town will never be the same.

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No running away Traxxx... :)

bcd
11-08-2012, 11:34 AM
Where else are we going to send them. They destroyed the whole south shore. Opened section 8 in the subs. Now rep counties are seeing the downfall. I mean buy a lawn mower already ... Bolingbrook, country club hills, Romeoville. Oh crap nooooo Plainfield too. I might stay in Texas the more I think about it. Chi town will never be the same.

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Please stop sending them to Iowa.

mikeg205
11-08-2012, 11:51 AM
Please stop sending them to Iowa.

trouble in rvier city???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qam1fbQmA_s

swatguy
11-08-2012, 08:56 PM
Yes Illinois is fubar'd beyond repair. We are one of the worst states in the nation. Yet somehow all these dens won elections by landslides. Indicted officials won handedly, The government re aligned districts to ensure democratic wins. Our last 2 governors are in prison, handful of alderman indicted. It's all legit.

Chicago magazine had a great story months ago about all the gang ties and petitions by alderman and congressmen to move high ranking gang leaders around in the prison system in exchange for the turnout of their gangs to vote. Half the aldermen are ex gang members. It's absolutely crazy. Same ok song and dance. The worst thing the state ever did was eliminate housing projects. At least that kept all the criminal elements isolated. Now with their vouchers and mandates these thugs have mingled in all over the city and suburbs reeking havoc almost everywhere. No where is immune anymore.


If you ask me drug testing for state aid, eliminating government checks for convicted felons, and stripping the voting rights of convicted felons would be a great start to get back on track. The machine is bulletproof tho. So don't expect anything to happen. The most corrupt politician Madigan has his daughter in charge of the Attorney General's office that investigates corruption. Hmmmmm. That's not conflict of interest....... Neither is that fact that there is a law on the books that exempts Chicago Aldermen from being investigated. Cook county runs the state. The election is once again proof. All the republicans except 1 lost due to the re drawn district boundaries. Amazing how that worked.

Illinois is on the fast track to implosion. Stock up on ammo and be prepared. It's amazing how many people who vote have no clue. If I see another person get out of an Eacalade, talking on an iPhone, wearing designer clothes purchase two carts of "junk food" and alcohol on their "link" card I am gonna go postal.

mikeg205
11-08-2012, 09:02 PM
'nuff said....just sayin'

mikeg205
11-08-2012, 09:04 PM
Illinois is on the fast track to implosion. Stock up on ammo and be prepared. It's amazing how many people who vote have no clue. If I see another person get out of an Eacalade, talking on an iPhone, wearing designer clothes purchase two carts of "junk food" and alcohol on their "link" card I am gonna go postal.

I was just talking about this with my better half...drives me crazy..

Dino Don
11-08-2012, 09:15 PM
'nuff said....just sayin'

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Dino Don
11-08-2012, 09:21 PM
86422'nuff said....just sayin'



You're right--we're sooooooo screwed!

JimN
11-08-2012, 09:50 PM
'nuff said....just sayin'

Not suicide, it was murder.

mikeg205
11-10-2012, 06:39 PM
okay...now I know I am beating a dead horse(thread) but this was too much to pass up and not share....

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49759402

Obama 'Open to New Ideas,' but Rich Must Pay More - really? really??

Okay..to bring this back around...will be boating more in 2013 and beyond - cuz our money will be effing worthless...so might as well spend it... "hit it!!!"

Traxx822
11-10-2012, 06:50 PM
Swat. Great post about illinois. I just tell people here in Texas im from up north. Otherwise I get lumped in with them. Problem I see is the degeneration of neighborhoods. I work foreclosure props inner city. These natives will even take the drywall if they like the color. And there is not a single house thats not vandalized. I board them up. They remive it. Bank pays me to board it again. At least I have job security until the bums burn barrels and then the house is gone

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MileHiGuy
11-11-2012, 03:31 PM
How many are holding up their new boat plans because the have a concern of our economic climate? We have been working and saving for upgrading but not sure we can go through it with it for fear that our country's economic system is going to implode.

mikeg205
11-11-2012, 06:26 PM
upgrades and refurbishing may be stifled if the investments go further south....

Traxx822
11-16-2012, 08:27 PM
Im not holding out. Spend it while its still worth something.

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mikeg205
11-16-2012, 09:00 PM
Im not holding out. Spend it while its still worth something.

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Let me know if you need help spending...:) I'm good helping with that...lol...

briggle2
11-19-2012, 04:40 PM
Spend much and ride often. 12-21-12 is less than a month away!

Maybe I should quit being a cheap a** and finally buy those wetsounds I've been wanting. (Nah, I better just save up for that $5+ gas coming)

jgraham37128
11-19-2012, 04:45 PM
And it's coming......... Wait till 4th of July 2013.