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XStar08
10-04-2012, 01:47 AM
http://www.wakeprops.com/

Did anyone tried that one yet?

CantRepeat
10-04-2012, 01:58 PM
I've not used one but when I ask Eric about them he made it very clear that it was designed for very heavy loads, IE ballast and would reduce the top end quite a bit.

501s
10-04-2012, 02:45 PM
Hmmm, I think I want one. I need a spare anyways.

TN X-45
10-05-2012, 12:45 AM
I'm still getting 40+ in OK water and great low end pull on an X45 with an MCX. OJ prop....Use it mostly for surfing.

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TheWoons
10-05-2012, 12:57 AM
I have one and so does Mike. It didn't lower the top end at all.

XStar08
10-05-2012, 09:09 AM
So what's better/different with the 5 blade TheWoons?

TheWoons
10-05-2012, 12:22 PM
So what's better/different with the 5 blade TheWoons?

Everything. Idling, getting on plane, low end power with all the weight, maintains speed better in chop. Didn't change out top end either.

CantRepeat
10-05-2012, 12:49 PM
Everything. Idling, getting on plane, low end power with all the weight, maintains speed better in chop. Didn't change out top end either.

When you say it didn't change out the top end are you saying completely unweighted the boat still gets 45+ ??

All I can tell you is what Eric told me and that was the top end would drop and I would not be happy with it. He did offer to let me test both the 5 blade and a 4 bladed he recommended to me. I'd be doing that the beginning of next year.

TheWoons
10-05-2012, 12:57 PM
When you say it didn't change out the top end are you saying completely unweighted the boat still gets 45+ ??

All I can tell you is what Eric told me and that was the top end would drop and I would not be happy with it. He did offer to let me test both the 5 blade and a 4 bladed he recommended to me. I'd be doing that the beginning of next year.

There isn't an X25 on the planet that will go 45mph+ on a stock prop with a 5.7L. I've had two new X-Stars as well that both topped out at 38-39mph with no added weight (both 5.7's as well). With the 5 blade I still get to upper 30's close to 40 and that's the same as all three of my MC's. Someone on here did a Prop test and his results were the same as my findings and his top speeds were the same as my boats too.

501s
10-05-2012, 01:40 PM
I contacted wakeprops about this prop for my X-30 and this was their reply:

Thank you for contacting us, Congrats on the new x30! The five blade is going to be less aggressive on the low end than what you are currently running. If you are looking to get on plane faster the Acme 2037 will defiantly get the job done http://www.wakeprops.com/acme-2307-propeller.html This going to be the best option for a weighted down boat and save you money in gas at surf and wake speeds.

TheWoons
10-05-2012, 03:02 PM
Ask Wakeprops if they have put an OJ 5 blade on an X25, X45 or X30 and have real world experience :) I do with the 25 and 45 and will be putting a 5 blade on a 30 next week. The 5 blade does very well lugging around 7500lbs+ with boat and ballast. Much better than any 4 blade I've ever used and has great low end.

bjames
10-05-2012, 03:14 PM
I contacted wakeprops about this prop for my X-30 and this was their reply:

Thank you for contacting us, Congrats on the new x30! The five blade is going to be less aggressive on the low end than what you are currently running. If you are looking to get on plane faster the Acme 2037 will defiantly get the job done http://www.wakeprops.com/acme-2307-propeller.html This going to be the best option for a weighted down boat and save you money in gas at surf and wake speeds.

I was basically told the same thing from one of the guys at my dealer.

Forrest-X45
10-05-2012, 04:32 PM
I agree with the feedback Tim received from Eric at OJ. I have run the 5 blade on my 45 and noticed a huge top speed drop off, more than 5 MPH. It performed about the same on hole shot as my current 4 blade but the 5 blade did maintain better speed control, less RPM jumping during waking and surfing. The best all around performance prop I have tried to date is the OJ 14.75x15.5. Best hole shot and top end.
If you don't care at all about top end speed and are going to run tons and tons of ballast then maybe the 5 blade is for you, otherwise I would stick with a 4 blade.

CantRepeat
10-05-2012, 04:40 PM
There isn't an X25 on the planet that will go 45mph+ on a stock prop with a 5.7L. I've had two new X-Stars as well that both topped out at 38-39mph with no added weight (both 5.7's as well). With the 5 blade I still get to upper 30's close to 40 and that's the same as all three of my MC's. Someone on here did a Prop test and his results were the same as my findings and his top speeds were the same as my boats too.

I see. I was unaware that the X25 would not do mid 40ish with the stock prop. My X30 runs in the 40s with current stock prop but is kind of a bull on low end with ballast.

Eric suggested the 14.75 X 15.5 LC for better weighted low and with losing top end.

CantRepeat
10-05-2012, 04:43 PM
I agree with the feedback Tim received from Eric at OJ. I have run the 5 blade on my 45 and noticed a huge top speed drop off, more than 5 MPH. It performed about the same on hole shot as my current 4 blade but the 5 blade did maintain better speed control, less RPM jumping during waking and surfing. The best all around performance prop I have tried to date is the OJ 14.75x15.5. Best hole shot and top end.
If you don't care at all about top end speed and are going to run tons and tons of ballast then maybe the 5 blade is for you, otherwise I would stick with a 4 blade.

Thanks for posting your feedback on the 5 blade. I'm pretty sure the 45 and 30 are pretty close in weight so with your feedback I'm not even going to test the 5 blade. I'll go with the 14.75 X 15.5 LC as suggested.

Thank you!

V-man
10-05-2012, 05:13 PM
My main concern would be....how does the 5 blade affect my fuel burn? I would be fine with 5 MPH less top end, and slower hole shot, if I saved a couple GPH's.

Forrest-X45
10-05-2012, 05:29 PM
Thanks for posting your feedback on the 5 blade. I'm pretty sure the 45 and 30 are pretty close in weight so with your feedback I'm not even going to test the 5 blade. I'll go with the 14.75 X 15.5 LC as suggested.

Thank you!


Hey - no problem. That's why we are all here, right? :)

I think you will be happy with your selection. Depending on what prop you are running now you might even pick up some top end.

Forrest-X45
10-05-2012, 05:38 PM
My main concern would be....how does the 5 blade affect my fuel burn? I would be fine with 5 MPH less top end, and slower hole shot, if I saved a couple GPH's.

With the 5 blade you should run lower RPM's which in turn would burn less fuel. This only at surfing and wake speeds. If you like to cruise then you will see a noticable higher RPM to maintain your cruising speed which would cause higher fuel burn. Really depends on what you want.

Best advice - call Eric at OJ, he is the expert.

TheWoons
10-05-2012, 06:00 PM
http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=43948

Another person who had the same results as us. No top speed loss with a 5 blade.

CantRepeat
10-05-2012, 06:08 PM
http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=43948

Another person who had the same results as us. No top speed loss with a 5 blade.

I guess, X45/30s are apples and oranges when it comes to top speed.

I just read the entire thread and unless I missed it he never talks about top speed. He has a chart that goes to 30 and nothing more. Is that the top end of an X25?

Forrest-X45
10-05-2012, 06:24 PM
http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=43948

Another person who had the same results as us. No top speed loss with a 5 blade.

He didn't see a top speed drop off because he was running the high altitude prop. You have to look at the data and try to get a fair as possible comparison. If he had been running the stock non HA prop his starting top end would have been in the low 40's, I would think, and then drop into the high 30's. With my 45 I dropped from 42 to 36 - 37 MPH with the 5 blade. Not good for my use.

Maybe the 45 and 25 are completed different animals but all I know is the 45 is a barge and takes alot of power to go fast.

TheWoons
10-05-2012, 08:17 PM
He does talk about top speed. It's in his post. I'm also very familiar with the X45. I have one sitting next to my X25. The HA prop doesn't make that much difference over the normal stock props. I've had both along with the 5 blade. I have lots and lots of hours in X-Stars, X25's, X45's and now I'm logging hours in a new X30. But hey everyone can have their own opinions and their own real world experiences right. :) Shawn tested three or four props and I don't think there was a drastic difference in top speed between any of them. I know that 95% of people buying a MC are either surfing or wake boarding and not too many redline their boats just to cruise at 40+ mph for any long periods of time. I would venture to say most people in MC spend time going 24mph and slower. I know that even when we are cruising longer distances we still never go more than low 30's. Why burn the fuel. I've only checked the top speed less than a handful of times just to see what each prop would do.

TheWoons
10-05-2012, 09:09 PM
From Shawn's Prop Test:

"Top speed on stock was 37.5, 5-blade 38.5, 1285 39.
I didn't see any difference in the shape of the wake but I didn't ride at all yet.
Yes the idle maneuvering with the 1285 was pretty much the same as stock."

CantRepeat
10-05-2012, 09:31 PM
From Shawn's Prop Test:

"Top speed on stock was 37.5, 5-blade 38.5, 1285 39.
I didn't see any difference in the shape of the wake but I didn't ride at all yet.
Yes the idle maneuvering with the 1285 was pretty much the same as stock."

So he gained on top end?

sand2snow22
10-06-2012, 01:45 AM
Had 2011 X-45 out tonight with 4 people, Ilmor 5.7 and 14.75 X 15.5 prop. Hit 40 MPH, I wasn't driving but holding GPS, may have been more room in the throttle, forgot to ask. I love this prop! Best all around prop to date. (Haven't tried 5 blade)

XStar08
10-06-2012, 03:59 AM
So the question which should be asked then (also) would be why someone is going to develop a 5 blade with knowing that it would be only for a very small marked? If you look at the ads you get the impression that you are looking at a evolution in boating, at least concerning our MC world where we are used having 3 or 4 blades (yes, back these days I run a 3 blade on my prostar 190).

JRW160
10-06-2012, 04:22 AM
Axis and malibu guys with big weight are running the 15x12. I don't think they make a version for mastercrafts right now. I wonder if it's in the works?

thamax
10-06-2012, 03:25 PM
I have a buddy with that setup on a axis 34 mph top speed at 4500ft with 330 motor. I bought the OJ 5 blade and like it for surfing a lot works awesome when boat is fully loaded wakeboarding bottom end is better runs 100 Rpm higher at 25 mph at 39 mph GPS checked runs at 5200 Rpms with a 4 blade never broke 5000 ever I save fuel how much hard to say I know that mcx in my xstar works a lot less harder at low speeds so I think that's the best thing about the 5 blade prop

V-man
10-06-2012, 04:10 PM
Pulled this from the web sight:


"TZ-X5
Need more than one reason to know who the leader is? We have FIVE reasons OJ continues to lead the pack in inboard propeller development, introducing OJ’s latest innovation, TZ X-5, the first wake boat specific 5-Blade inboard propeller.
Building on the success of the large diameter XMP EDGE propellers, we teamed up with Travis Moye and Zane Schwenk to develop this revolutionary 5-Blade propeller. Travis, a world class driver and boarding instructor, and Zane, one of the best all around skiers and boarders in the world, provided crucial insight and expertise in the development of the new 5-Blade, hence the aptly named TZ X-5 was born.
The TZ X-5 provides unrivalled low end power and consistent RPM under the most extreme loads. Want to sack out the boat? Not a problem with the TZ X-5. Strong on power and more efficient under load than any other prop out there."

I think this would target a huge market of wake borders and surfers. "Efficiency under loads" should be what any avid boarder would want. However, it sure would be nice to have more data points to work with.

501s
10-07-2012, 10:20 PM
The Acme I posted on PG1, which is what was recomended instead of the 5 blade by the guys at Wakeprops was a 15x12. I'd sure be interested to see what it performs like for surfing and especially wakeboarding.....

jdl xstar
10-07-2012, 11:19 PM
Is this the 5 blade everyone is talking about?

85158

CantRepeat
10-07-2012, 11:51 PM
I don't know but that sure is a hottie.

g-mantrix
10-08-2012, 05:44 PM
it would be great if there was a prop comparison calculator where you input your prop specs and it calculates WOT, I cant seem to find one, perhaps someone here may know

thamax
10-08-2012, 10:29 PM
Should bolt right on! Does girl come with the prop

CantRepeat
10-08-2012, 10:47 PM
Ordered a 14.75 x 15.5 XMP EDGE today from OJ. I'll have it out this hot 86 degree weekend in OCT to report back!

JLowder
10-09-2012, 12:23 AM
I put the 5-blade on my 11' X-45 with the 6.0L Indmar. The top speed is now 30 mph. (I didn't buy a speedboat, so I don't care about losing the top end.) I can have the boat full of people and extra sacks full and it still comes out of the hole. (Yes, I am overloading the boat.) Fuel economy stayed about the same, or is a little worse.

CantRepeat
10-09-2012, 08:05 AM
I put the 5-blade on my 11' X-45 with the 6.0L Indmar. The top speed is now 30 mph. (I didn't buy a speedboat, so I don't care about losing the top end.) I can have the boat full of people and extra sacks full and it still comes out of the hole. (Yes, I am overloading the boat.) Fuel economy stayed about the same, or is a little worse.

And that is just what the 5 blade is designed for. I bet it's a beast at pulling heavy loads.

ShawnB
10-09-2012, 11:36 AM
I should go back and clean up that post because, as some have correctly deduced, I had the high-altitude prop identified as stock. I never tested a stock prop so I can't really say if the top end would be higher but I suspect it would be.

kgrove
10-09-2012, 05:06 PM
I put the 5-blade on my 11' X-45 with the 6.0L Indmar. The top speed is now 30 mph. (I didn't buy a speedboat, so I don't care about losing the top end.) I can have the boat full of people and extra sacks full and it still comes out of the hole. (Yes, I am overloading the boat.) Fuel economy stayed about the same, or is a little worse.

30mph? Is that a typo as that is the lowest top end I've ever seen somebody post for a Mastercraft.

Normally I don't give a flip about top speed, but 30mph isn't enough clearance beyond wakeboard speed to make me comfortable the boat would perform well. I'm imagining, for instance, bleeding speed after doing a 180 to double back on my tracks.... If my rider wants 24mph (higher than anyone on my boat usually boards, but isn't unheard of), would the boat struggle to get back to 24 as it must have already be pushing pretty hard to maintain 24 being that close to top speed.

willyt
10-09-2012, 05:47 PM
thats gotta be a typo... maybe 40?

JLowder
10-10-2012, 02:56 AM
thats gotta be a typo... maybe 40?

Not a typo. 31.2 mph top speed bumping the rev limiter with my GPS in my hand. I can tell you even though the boat is fully loaded/overloaded getting to 30 isn't a problem. For me, I don't have a reason to go any faster than 30, so I am happy with the prop. If I wanted to go faster, I would put the stock prop back on. The 5-blade does exactly what I need it too. Pull my fat butt out of the water regardless of how many people and fat sacks I have in the boat.

robpout
04-19-2013, 08:48 AM
I've just ordered the tzx5 for the 6 ltr ly6 400 on my 07 xstar. It really struggles to get on the plane with the flyin high ballast kit. Currently run the OJ 14.5*14.25 and its just a slug..... Now I'm told that it won't help me get on the plane and I need to reduce the diameter and the pitch to solve this problem....anyone have any experience with the similar probs in the star. Wakeboarding only... Ta Rob

snork
04-19-2013, 10:24 AM
add more weight to the bow or install a trim tab

EJ OJPROP
04-19-2013, 12:02 PM
I suggested our 14.75 X 13 LC Splined XMP EDGE 4-blade to your dealer, Engine Masters, for your application.

bjames
04-19-2013, 12:29 PM
Wakemakers has a sizing chart. for an Xstar, its a 14.5 x 14.25. I read somewhere else that the 5 blade was intended for the larger 550hp engine.

JRW160
04-19-2013, 04:47 PM
Is anyone running the acme 15x12 yet? I know a lot of malibu and axis guys love it but haven't heard of anyone running it on a mastercraft.

robpout
04-20-2013, 07:23 AM
Thanks Eric, so the bigger diameter and smaller pitch would get the star up and going better than the 5 blade... The marketing on the 5 blade really made me comfortable that it would jump out of the hole, until talking with the dealer. Is it just the smoother running and less revs on the 5 blade, not so much the holeshot that would make make you suggest the 14.75*13 over the txz5 for my issue. Thanks

ZachDaddy
04-20-2013, 11:24 AM
I'm running a Acme 5 blade on my X15 and its awesome. I was going to have a trim tab installed but as able to reprop. Acme sent me 4 different size props 2 four blades and 2 five blades. I tried the 15 x 12 and it didn't give me the hole shot that the 5 blade did. My friend in TX bought a new BU LSV and he loves the 15x12. It's all in the hull and weight specs

I'll look at my dia and prop number when i'm with my aquatic mistress

Nick911
04-20-2013, 11:33 AM
Is anyone running the acme 15x12 yet? I know a lot of malibu and axis guys love it but haven't heard of anyone running it on a mastercraft.

Is this the 2241? I know mine is a 15" prop on the X25, purchased on advice from the dealer, who contacted ACME. I called them myself to confirm. Although I've never run the factory prop, never had issue getting on plane though once I get above 3K with lots of people I need to use trim tab or its sluggish. Top speed is just shy of 40.

JRW160
04-20-2013, 08:19 PM
Is this the 2241? I know mine is a 15" prop on the X25, purchased on advice from the dealer, who contacted ACME. I called them myself to confirm. Although I've never run the factory prop, never had issue getting on plane though once I get above 3K with lots of people I need to use trim tab or its sluggish. Top speed is just shy of 40.
Looks like the 2241 is 15x14.25. The 2305 and 2307 are more aggressive at 15x12. They might be overkill.