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CC2MC
09-14-2012, 12:39 PM
Does anyone have a good ballast bag setup for a direct drive? I have seen some of you with a little newer prostar that can put a bag under the rear seat. My 94 PS 205 rear seat does not allow for that with the way it is built. I am going to take a closer look at it this weekend to see if there is anything relatively easy that I can do to modify the under seat storage to house a bag. I typically have a few people riding in the boat that like to sit in the back so I don't really want to take the back seat out. I also don't really want to put a bag on each side of the motor box, unless that is my only option. I am not going to be running more than about 800lbs in the back. and I will have my ski locker available for the front bag.

I am also thinking about pump options. I think I like the price of the Tsunami 1200 gph pump and the fact that it is a faster pump than the reversible option. If I get the Tsunami pump, will I have to get two, in order to pump water in and also back out, assuming I permanently plumb these in. From the research, I will have to put a thru hull fitting in for both the intake an outtake. Where is the best spot to put the intake thru hull fitting?

jfw432
09-18-2012, 10:25 PM
Yes, if you use the tsunami pumps, you will need one to pump and one to fill. I could never make my pump drain very well and ended up paying for 2 tsunami's, lots of fittings, and then bought a johnson ballast pump anyway. Lots of people use them so they must work but it wouldn't work for me no matter where I put the drain pump.

I ran the ballast bags on the rear seat for a little while so 1-2 people could still sit back there but it looked hideous and got crowded when we stopped to switch people. I ended up taking the rear seat out as a trial run to see what people thought. Everyone who voiced an opinion seemed to think it was easier to get in the boat and less crowded. I also let people sit on the ballast bags now. I thought it would be a big deal but most of my friends don't care where they sit and more than half the time there is at least one seat that's open in the boat. People seem to prefer sitting on the engine box or ballast bags because they get a better view of the wakeboarder.

CC2MC
09-18-2012, 11:18 PM
Yes, if you use the tsunami pumps, you will need one to pump and one to fill. I could never make my pump drain very well and ended up paying for 2 tsunami's, lots of fittings, and then bought a johnson ballast pump anyway. Lots of people use them so they must work but it wouldn't work for me no matter where I put the drain pump.


So, what did you end up doing with the old Tsunami pumps?

maristardd
09-19-2012, 01:39 AM
94 Maristar 225 direct drive - Sumo Sac Jr V 450 on each side of engine box, and Sumo Utilisac 300 in bow ski locker. You don't lose the rear seat, and the Sumo Jr.s each side of engine box are pretty low / still allow you to easily get up and back, at least in my boat which I realize is a little longer than yours.

jfw432
09-19-2012, 10:27 PM
So, what did you end up doing with the old Tsunami pumps?

The drain pump I just removed. The fill pump that was drilled into the hull was left in place and now I can fill up the bags with the tsunami and the johnson ballast pump so I can fill my bags before most people are ready to go.

CC2MC
09-20-2012, 01:00 AM
The drain pump I just removed. The fill pump that was drilled into the hull was left in place and now I can fill up the bags with the tsunami and the johnson ballast pump so I can fill my bags before most people are ready to go.

So do you have the Tsunami plumbed into both bags, split with a T fitting? Same goes with the Johnson?

Ben
09-20-2012, 10:07 AM
I don't board much but plumbed in two pumps a while back (now I wish I did a heater instead). One for the permanent bag in the locker. Other with a quick connect for a rear bag. Two holes in hull, one for each reversible pump (ballast puppy I think), are behind the motor box on either side of propshaft.

My back seat is never in and rarely have a lot of people, so I can get away with this.

I have seen guys build custom boxes in the back but then you end up with a sunpad instead of seats....

Good luck. The wake is nice with the extra 1000 lbs of water. Not huge, but nice.

CC2MC
09-20-2012, 10:51 AM
I don't board much but plumbed in two pumps a while back (now I wish I did a heater instead). One for the permanent bag in the locker. Other with a quick connect for a rear bag. Two holes in hull, one for each reversible pump (ballast puppy I think), are behind the motor box on either side of propshaft.

My back seat is never in and rarely have a lot of people, so I can get away with this.

I have seen guys build custom boxes in the back but then you end up with a sunpad instead of seats....

Good luck. The wake is nice with the extra 1000 lbs of water. Not huge, but nice.

I think 1000 lbs should be fine for me for now as I am just a novice wakeboarder, but I think the added weight would give me the size wake I need to begin learning new things. As I learn more, I may add more weight or upgrade the boat all together.

Unfortunately I missed my prime window at learning new things, as I am in my 30s now and when I fall, it takes a little longer to recover than it used to. Plus I never really learned how to wakeboard when I was younger although I grew up going to the lake. Skiing, kneeboarding and tubing but the later two I can no longer do bc it really takes a toll. I went boarding behind a friend's 205 with around 1000 lbs in the back and the wake was very nice so I look forward to adding the extra weight but want to set it all up right to begin with.

Thanks for the input. About how long does it take to fill the bags?

Ben
09-20-2012, 12:03 PM
I've never timed it. I would guess the front is 2-3 minutes and maybe 5-7 for the back? With two pumps this obviously happens at the same time.

CC2MC
09-21-2012, 09:25 AM
Thanks, Ben. When the bags are filling, is the engine timer running as well? If so, is there a way to bypass the hour meter? Maybe if I linked it directly to battery...

jfw432
09-21-2012, 04:00 PM
So do you have the Tsunami plumbed into both bags, split with a T fitting? Same goes with the Johnson?

Yes I have the tsunami pumping in the top of the bags with a T fittings and the johnson pumps into the bottom of the bags with a T fitting. The tsunami needs a ball valves in the lines or the water gets suctioned out while you're moving.

With my johnson and tsunami filling, I can fill about 500lbs in maybe 3 minutes tops. The ball valves help me throttle the water flow for that last little bit because inevitably one bag fills faster than the other.

The one thing I did notice about the johnson/jabsco ballast pumps vs the tsunamis is the tsunamis can fill the bags completely with water and will displace the air. The real ballast pumps pump some air into the bags too and I have to vent them.

Stefan
09-26-2012, 04:24 AM
@CC2MC

I would not use the tsunami pumps for a permanent install, they are just not built for that.

Ben
09-27-2012, 09:14 AM
Sorry for delayed reply.

Hour meter runs when engine is on. Ballast pumps are independent of that as they are hard wired as accessories. I think i ran separate power and ground wires as the stock were too small IMO.

However, i usually run engine when filling or draining. It is usually on the way out or in or while someone is finishing or starting a run. No big deal to me.

clrussell
09-27-2012, 09:53 AM
This might be a dumb question but im assuming everyone "overloads" their boat with ballast? My 190 is only rated for like 1100 lbs or something like that on the capacity tag.. With 4 people and gear that basically means I can only add 400lbs of ballast and still be in the capacity.. 400 makes a good wake but more would be desired if I knew overloading the boat wouldn't be a bad thing


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Thrall
09-27-2012, 07:07 PM
Regarding overloading, most any wake boat you see is overloaded at some point compared to the uscg tag. It comes down to common sense and knowing how to drive with the extra weight (to a point...I'm not advocating 2000lbs in a 190). I'm not completely certian of the legality of it, read about it but kinda gray area, but I've personally never been hasseled by the fish cops, even with surf weight and the X2 layin over like it want's to turn turtle.
It won't hurt the boat.

clrussell
09-27-2012, 11:40 PM
Thanks, I was thinking people probably overloaded em but like you said knowing how to drive the boat makes a big difference.. I've been toying around with the ballast bag ideas and trying to figure out a good combo is hard to come up with unless I know a weight.. I'll just stick with 800# of water ballast max and see what happens.. That's double what I have now and I think I should be able to distribute enough that room is still available.. Can't afford a big fancy boat so gotta make this one work! Maybe when the truck is paid off I can actually get a newer boat!! Only 3 years to go! Btw sorry to thread jack


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LYNRDSKYNRD
09-28-2012, 10:42 AM
I've run 1100 in my 190....600 in the back a 270 on each side of motor box and as far forward as I can get them. I only use this much if its me and my two sons one who will be boarding. Have to run about 21- 22 to get it cleaned up at 60-75 feet. If we have the gas tank full and a few more people I don't fill the 600 all the way. Really need more weight in the nose and I plan on trying some lead up there before the season is over.

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clrussell
09-28-2012, 04:58 PM
The 270 ballasts are they a brick or a log style? Do they interfere with walkways much? Thanks!


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clrussell
11-18-2012, 05:53 PM
Off topic; but if someone is knowledgable with ballast and installs please pm me.. I've got a bunch of questions about ballast in my 190.. Thanks in advance


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sp00ky
11-18-2012, 08:12 PM
I think 1000 lbs should be fine for me for now as I am just a novice wakeboarder, but I think the added weight would give me the size wake I need to begin learning new things. As I learn more, I may add more weight or upgrade the boat all together.

Unfortunately I missed my prime window at learning new things, as I am in my 30s now and when I fall, it takes a little longer to recover than it used to. Plus I never really learned how to wakeboard when I was younger although I grew up going to the lake. Skiing, kneeboarding and tubing but the later two I can no longer do bc it really takes a toll. I went boarding behind a friend's 205 with around 1000 lbs in the back and the wake was very nice so I look forward to adding the extra weight but want to set it all up right to begin with.

Thanks for the input. About how long does it take to fill the bags?

I've got the same boat and we are kinda limited on hiding ballast. I have been considering the huge fat seat which you can put in place of our rear seat. However, I also love to slalom and fill/empty ballast often and use the back seat too. I would love to figure out about 1500 I got fill empty with a flip of a switch.

How about we collaborate on some solutions?

clrussell
11-18-2012, 08:32 PM
Spooky was that reply for me or the o.p. ?


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sp00ky
11-18-2012, 08:43 PM
Spooky was that reply for me or the o.p. ?


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My bad yes it was intended for OP. but would like to compare notes with other 94 205 owners.

clrussell
11-18-2012, 09:35 PM
Ok just checking, there's another thread on a guy with a 205 I believe that's building a rear seat to hide a sac.. I'll bump it to the top for ya


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CC2MC
11-24-2012, 11:56 PM
I've got the same boat and we are kinda limited on hiding ballast. I have been considering the huge fat seat which you can put in place of our rear seat. However, I also love to slalom and fill/empty ballast often and use the back seat too. I would love to figure out about 1500 I got fill empty with a flip of a switch.

How about we collaborate on some solutions?

Sounds good to me. I think I will start out getting a couple bags and playing with that setup. A buddy has some 10lb and 30lb concrete core samples that I may throw in the bow storage to have a little weight up front if nobody is riding up there. I may wind up just putting another bag up there. I will just have to test everything out once I get the bags.