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Sierra Tango II
08-27-2012, 07:46 PM
Hi. I recently purchased a 1984 Stars and Stripes to "get back into the game" and start skiing again after being away from it for 20 years. Needless to say, Ive caught the bug. I love my stars and stripes as its my first Mastercraft, however im back in the game to stay, and I always loved the 98 anniversary edition stars and stripes. Im seriously considering upgrading but am unsure what a fair price is for one of these. From what I have read the 93's are preferred over the 98's for slalom waterskiing and that the 98's have an issue of sidespray. What are the pros and cons and what can I expect to pay for a nice example of one of these boats. Im looking at a 98 right now with 600 hours, and with the exception of the decals on the seat missing and the trailer not being as clean as the boat, it seems to be rock solid. It doesnt have perfect pass, a shower or a heater, all things that I would like to have but it does have the LT1 engine that is powdercoated blue. The asking price is $13,500.00. My friends and family think I should just keep my classic and be satisfied with what I have. I need input. What are your thoughts and/or opinions? Thanks

onejdgreen
08-28-2012, 07:52 AM
Pictures. Need to have pictures...

bikenskijerm
08-28-2012, 08:13 AM
Limited knowledge on this but I'll share what I do know. I'd say that price is very good given the condition you described. I just sold (3 weeks ago) a 96 Prostar 190 with 428 hours on it that was very clean for $13,500 to the first guy that came and looked at it. I am pretty sure I could have gotten $14 but this guy was a straight shooter and was great to deal with which is worth something to me. It had the LT-1 engine option and was very strong, I don't think you'll be disappointed with that. As far as that boat goes, per my father-in-law, who has been skiing behind a mastercraft for 30 years, this boat has some tracking issues. I have heard that there was a retrofit fix which was a foil fin on the bottom of the rudder and have seen pictures of a horizontal addition to the rudder on these boats. I am pretty sure that this was the only ski boat mastercraft ever made that didnt qualify as a tournament tow boat.

bikenskijerm
08-28-2012, 08:28 AM
http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=621&page=2

Some interesting stuff about chine lock and to prove I'm not crazy about the horizontal deal on the rudder.

Sierra Tango II
08-28-2012, 09:35 AM
Thanks for the info. This is exactly the stuff that I am looking for. I had never heard of that issue with the hull, however I had noticed in certain classifieds that people were mentioning a fourth fin, and so on. My issue really is that Im spending alot of time on the boat and am trying to justify the added expense of a newer one. My current boat is rough around the edges (original upholstery neeeds work etc), but its solid. I know that after I get the boat the way I want it that the cost will probably exceed that of what I pay for the 98.....or at the very least far exceed the value of the boat. Quite frankly after I put that many hours into working on something Im going to be less inclined to use it and damaging it. The older I get the more I want to play with my toys rather than work on them:)

east tx skier
08-28-2012, 10:10 AM
The story of the 1998 Pro Star 190 is a long one, but as far as what people like and dislike about them, I'll try to summarize.

What they like: Beautiful boat, nice rough water ride, good wide beam, great engine options with lots of torque.

What they don't like. Wake is a bit firm and the steering is a little sluggish/heavy compared to the two earlier generations of the Pro Star 190.

There is no tracking issue or side spray issue of which I am aware. To the contrary, these boats do extremely well with spray.

In the end, you need to go ski behind the boat and drive it. That is the only way to make a truly informed decision or valid comparison between it and the boat you currently own.

broncotw
08-28-2012, 10:15 AM
Have you considered searching for a 93 Prostar 190???

captain planet
08-28-2012, 10:31 AM
Hi. I recently purchased a 1984 Stars and Stripes to "get back into the game" and start skiing again after being away from it for 20 years. Needless to say, Ive caught the bug. I love my stars and stripes as its my first Mastercraft, however im back in the game to stay, and I always loved the 98 anniversary edition stars and stripes. Im seriously considering upgrading but am unsure what a fair price is for one of these. From what I have read the 93's are preferred over the 98's for slalom waterskiing and that the 98's have an issue of sidespray. What are the pros and cons and what can I expect to pay for a nice example of one of these boats. Im looking at a 98 right now with 600 hours, and with the exception of the decals on the seat missing and the trailer not being as clean as the boat, it seems to be rock solid. It doesnt have perfect pass, a shower or a heater, all things that I would like to have but it does have the LT1 engine that is powdercoated blue. The asking price is $13,500.00. My friends and family think I should just keep my classic and be satisfied with what I have. I need input. What are your thoughts and/or opinions? Thanks

I bought my 98 Anniversary 190 new in the spring of 99. I have 660 hours on it and they have been great. There was a retro fit to the hull with the addition of hydro rails and a rudder which most 98's have to this point. I haven't heard of too many that don't have the upgrade. If you were to take a picture of the transom of the boat I can tell you if it has the rails on it. The chine lock issue mentioned was corrected with the rudder update. The addition of the hydro rails softened the wake a little as it helped lift the back of the boat at slalom speeds. To my knowledge the boat was still certified to pull tournaments. My boat has the 4th fin. I haven't heard of too many that didn't have the 4th fin.

I mainly slalom and foot behind my boat and it has plenty of power. I pulled 3 footers behind my boat at the Buckeye Bash two weekends ago and the footers were pleased with the power. My buddy that is a pretty good slalom skiier doesn't complain about skiing behind my boat at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCmni6yMiJs

The interiors in the 98's are great with the exception of the 30th decal that comes off. But I have a thread about this.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=22810&highlight=30th+anniversary+restoration

I also have done this for two other members on here and here is how one of theirs came out.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=41689&highlight=30th+anniversary+restoration

I don't have any complaints about my boat other than with the growing family it would be nice to have either a 197 or an older 205 for a little more room, but overall I like having a classic closed bow ski boat.

Maintenance and repairs, I had to replace a muffler once which was covered under warranty and a damper plate that was installed by Indmar incorrectly. Other than those two issues, the boat has been bulletproof. If I had to do it over again I would have bought this boat again.

If you have any other questions let me know.

captain planet
08-28-2012, 10:50 AM
Oh, and the blue LT-1 is 350 HP as opposed to the standard LT-1 which is 330 HP......and it looks cool! :D

JohnE
08-28-2012, 06:29 PM
Good info CP. I didn't know that the rudder upgrade solved the chine lock issue. Were the 30th anniversary editions limited to a production of 30?

lettmeknow
08-28-2012, 06:39 PM
It will ski better than the 84, its all fiberglass and have more room, power an so on. It is however nicknamed the Deathstar! Don't let it scare you though its not that bad. Price is good. Go for it!

h2oskifreak
08-28-2012, 07:10 PM
I just did a similar upgrade from a 75 Stars to a 94 190. I gave up the cool factor by buying the 94, but was buying just purely for course skiing. I feel the price is very fair for that boat. You did not mention much about your skiing. Skiiing my 94 compared to the 75 is night and day. I say "go for it". That boat will hold it's value for years to say nothing of the enjoyment factor. 98's have great graphic in my opinion. I kept my 75 and didn't get it wet this year, but next year it has to be used or move out the door. If your going to get real short line I might consider something else, but for most skiers 32 off or less, I bet the 98 would be just dandy.

Jim@BAWS
08-28-2012, 08:18 PM
2 come to mind

http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=20719

I know this second one...your jaw would drop if you saw it FLAWLESS
http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=16760

Sierra Tango II
08-28-2012, 09:36 PM
This is all really good news, thanks to everyone who chimed in. I ski'd competetively when I was in High school and did really well however when high school was over real life kicked in and I joined the Navy. Upon getting out I fired up my own business got wrapped up in that and didnt ski again until this summer (21 years later) and I love it. The 98 has been on my mind for the last 5 years, however I came across a really good deal on the 84 S/S this spring and couldnt pass it up. The first time I ski'd again I was hooked. My 7 year old learned to ski this year behind it and as a family we love it, its just that Im particular about my things and although the S/S has a legitimate cool factor built in, it is going to need alot of work to bring it up to my standards. I feel that an upgrade is in order, either sinking some money in the S/S or buying the 30th anniversary edition. I have restored two previous boats, and am not really into having a project right now...........I just want to ski, so, Im either going to find another super clean 84 S/S (let somebody else do the work and take the financial hit) or buy the anniversary edition. Again, thanks to all of you who chimed in with your opinions and knowledge, I really appreciate it.

mikeg205
08-28-2012, 10:07 PM
2 come to mind

http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=20719

I know this second one...your jaw would drop if you saw it FLAWLESS
http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=16760

You're right Jim #2 is gorgeous...

2RLAKE
08-28-2012, 10:15 PM
Someone should buy me one of those for my birthday in October !

mikeg205
08-28-2012, 10:22 PM
Someone should buy me one of those for my birthday in October !

Only if we take turns driving and skiing... :D

Sierra Tango II
08-28-2012, 10:54 PM
2 come to mind

http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=20719

I know this second one...your jaw would drop if you saw it FLAWLESS
http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=16760

The one at www.ski-it-again.com has what looks to be a composite swim platform, is that stock or aftermarket???

captain planet
08-29-2012, 07:01 AM
Someone should buy me one of those for my birthday in October !

I'll trade you straight up, my 30th for your x-14!!!!;)

captain planet
08-29-2012, 07:02 AM
The one at www.ski-it-again.com has what looks to be a composite swim platform, is that stock or aftermarket???

That is aftermarket. Stock platform was teak and had the narrow slats.

east tx skier
08-29-2012, 11:27 AM
That is aftermarket. Stock platform was teak and had the narrow slats.

Might be the optional fiberglass platform offered by MC. Not sure about aftermarket.

Sierra Tango II
09-05-2012, 05:40 PM
I am committed to the purchase pending an inspection that will take place on friday. The transmission going out this weekend in my S&S was what pushed me over the edge. Im excited, anything i sahould be aware of before signing on the dotted line? Ill be sure to post pics when I officially own it.

Jim@BAWS
09-05-2012, 08:31 PM
I am committed to the purchase pending an inspection that will take place on friday. The transmission going out this weekend in my S&S was what pushed me over the edge. Im excited, anything i sahould be aware of before signing on the dotted line? Ill be sure to post pics when I officially own it.

Which one? Bay Area WaterSports is a mile up the road from one of them.

Let me know if you are in the area. I have to leave Sat at 3 to get back to Orlando!

Are you the gentleman that called me about the boat???

Jim@BAWS

Sierra Tango II
09-06-2012, 07:19 PM
Which one? Bay Area WaterSports is a mile up the road from one of them.

Let me know if you are in the area. I have to leave Sat at 3 to get back to Orlando!

Are you the gentleman that called me about the boat???

Jim@BAWS

It is the one in Keego Harbor. Its been for sale for some time, however she lowered the price to the point where it was to good to pass up (for me anyways). Im leaving tonight to go pick it up. Needless to say, Im pretty excited:D.