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Creampuff
08-24-2012, 08:15 PM
Hello all.
I have owned a 1992 ski nautique for the last 3 years an I just sold it. I am picking up this 02 mastercraft x star in the morning. It has 720 hours on it and it has been USED. I think I can patch it back up and make a pretty nice boat out of it. The prop is jacked up, missing cup holders, 48 miles of speaker wire , 3 ballast pumps not working, few seat flaws, gas gauge broke, rpm not working, that's right off hand. But I can buy it for 20k..... Any thoughts thanks in advance. I can load pics from home later

mikeg205
08-24-2012, 08:32 PM
can't wait to see pics...where in the midwest are ya?

jafo9
08-24-2012, 08:32 PM
sounds high for a trashed boat of that vintage.

Ryan
08-24-2012, 08:34 PM
Hello all.
I have owned a 1992 ski nautique for the last 3 years an I just sold it. I am picking up this 02 mastercraft x star in the morning. It has 720 hours on it and it has been USED. I think I can patch it back up and make a pretty nice boat out of it. The prop is jacked up, missing cup holders, 48 miles of speaker wire , 3 ballast pumps not working, few seat flaws, gas gauge broke, rpm not working, that's right off hand. But I can buy it for 20k..... Any thoughts thanks in advance. I can load pics from home later

Congrats, that sounds like a fun project. As long as the hull, engine and transmission are good shape you'll be set. While the list is moderatly long each is a relatively simple fix. How is the vinyl?

ttu
08-24-2012, 08:35 PM
seems high price with that much to do. i have seen some clean looking one's on craiglist only a grand or so more.

snork
08-24-2012, 09:01 PM
way way too much hold your cash

jamisonsbrodie
08-24-2012, 09:57 PM
As long as the gelcoat and motor are in good shape, the price is about right for around here.

Creampuff
08-24-2012, 10:27 PM
I have been looking all over the country and I haven't found any x stars 01-03 for less than $25k I think I can fix most of the stuff for around $2000. Hull, motor, trans are solid. Where are these nice ones at in my price range

Creampuff
08-24-2012, 10:31 PM
I'm in okc

ttu
08-24-2012, 10:44 PM
is this the one you are looking at to buy? i posted this on the ebay/craigslist thread the other day but the ad does not have any pictures.

http://tulsa.craigslist.org/boa/3215508953.html

this one says most interior has been replaced.

Creampuff
08-24-2012, 10:45 PM
That's it

ttu
08-24-2012, 10:51 PM
post some pictures when you can. there are a lot of guys who can give you advice then on what you are looking at in re: to repairs to get the boat in the condition you want it to be.

erkoehler
08-24-2012, 11:07 PM
Do a thorough inspection, those can be expensive items to repair.

I know of a 2000 xstar that is mint and will be $25k or under. Or a 2002 that will be $28k with custom cover and good condition.

kalamalka
08-24-2012, 11:59 PM
Sounds decent. Id bet on 2-3k of repairs. 700 hours on that engine is nothing, i have two freinds with the exact same boat with 1500 hours a piece and no major problems yet

JRW160
08-25-2012, 12:53 AM
That price isn't bad for that year boat. I would expect to pay $25k+ for one in pretty good shape. I would be sure to thoroughly check it out. If the owner let all that little stuff slide, I would be worried about him letting regular maintenance stuff slide too.

Creampuff
08-25-2012, 01:02 AM
few pics

wheelerd
08-25-2012, 01:08 AM
I think that's a decent price. I'm currently looking at a mint 05 X2 for $34k. The first gen X2 is a great hull -- you'll love it.

Creampuff
08-25-2012, 01:15 AM
I think I will be happy with it. I know there are alot of high rollers on here, that wouldnt waste their time or money on a boat like this, but I'm not in a spot where I can spend $30k - $35k right now on a boat and feel good about it. I can spend $20k and do a little reriggin and have a great boat I hope for a decent price. Thanks for all your input guys.

mzimme
08-25-2012, 01:17 AM
Looks good to me. Cup holders are nothing. YOu might even be able to take the interior to a good shop and have them yank the skin off the seat, and fix the tears. A good cleaning of the vinyl will probably bring it back to life. 303 is what you need.

JRW160
08-25-2012, 01:25 AM
All red with the red top deck looks awesome. Throw some stainless cupholders in there for $100. Use some malco or totally awesome to clean the vinyl and the hit it with 303 like mzimme said. Vinyl was bad in those years anyway. My 03 x2 has some seats coming apart at the seams and it's been well taken care of.

petermegan
08-25-2012, 01:58 AM
I thought by 2002 Mastercrafts were running the MCX motor not the LTR?

JRW160
08-25-2012, 02:09 AM
LTR in 02, MCX in 03
http://web.archive.org/web/20011215015354/http://www.mastercraft.com/showroom/2002/xseries/x_star/features/propulsion.htm

kskonn
08-25-2012, 03:58 AM
Seems like a good deal. Ballast pumps are easy and the Hardest part about the cup holders is finding the time to order them.

ttu
08-25-2012, 09:21 AM
does not look to bad. wakemakers.com has the pumps if you can't get those back to life and stainless cup holders would look great.

milkmania
08-25-2012, 11:26 AM
.....

Creampuff
08-25-2012, 04:22 PM
Well I picked it up.... I'll update everyone with my progress

Creampuff
08-25-2012, 04:39 PM
No I need to research how to change the oil on this unit. Is there a way to drain it out the bottom or do I pump it out the top?

MC209
08-25-2012, 05:09 PM
nice boat. nice price. gotta love them both!

ttu
08-25-2012, 05:21 PM
No I need to research how to change the oil on this unit. Is there a way to drain it out the bottom or do I pump it out the top?

either but the oil needs to be warm. I am pretty sure you have a drain hose that will be in the port side of the engine that will feel out of the drain plug on the back. congrats and look forward to seeing it. ps, pm sent.

Creampuff
08-25-2012, 10:24 PM
Yes there was a hose. I was and the house and couldn't warm the motor so it drained slow. I need to change the trans fluid also. Is the easiest way to change it pump it out?

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
08-25-2012, 10:36 PM
Yes use a vacuum hand pump to suck old transmission fluid out.

JRW160
08-25-2012, 11:08 PM
Get a hand pump or a mityvac pump. Drain the transmission fluid out of the dipstick hole. I usually pump the oil out of the dipstick too. It took about 4 hours for it to drain out of the hose the first time I did it.

Creampuff
08-25-2012, 11:16 PM
The oil and tranny fluid looks a little grayish. It's been in a boat slip at a marina for about a month. I'm hoping it's moisture that it drew. In the water not on a lift.

JRW160
08-25-2012, 11:20 PM
Run it for a few hours and change it again if you're worried about it. Rotella 15w 40 is pretty cheap

Creampuff
08-25-2012, 11:35 PM
Ok thanks a lot guys. This forum is A very valuable tool for me, since I bought a project boat ;-)

wheelerd
08-26-2012, 12:41 AM
I need to change the trans fluid also. Is the easiest way to change it pump it out?

Turkey baster works for tranny fluid change. You can always add a small hose extension if you need to. There's not that much fluid so it doesn't take very long.

JRW160
08-26-2012, 11:47 AM
I think there's a little over 4 quarts in the transmission, but it's tough to get it all out

mikeg205
08-26-2012, 12:44 PM
few pics

Did you beach her? make sure you push her out so you don't suck up sand....

Creampuff
08-26-2012, 01:13 PM
That was the people I bought it from, I'm sure they have sucked some sand up at some point and time .

Creampuff
08-26-2012, 03:51 PM
I am pulling my prop to get fixed tomorrow, I was wondering if I could use this other prop I have in the mean while. It's a 422 12.5x15.5v r1" ? I'm not sure if it will work or not thought I would ask. Thanks

ttu
08-26-2012, 05:34 PM
if it was on your nautique i doubt it. mc has used splined shafts for sometime. there is a pretty good prop repair shop in okc or you can ship it to eric at oj and he will have it back by this weekend.

soacj
08-26-2012, 09:24 PM
I am pulling my prop to get fixed tomorrow, I was wondering if I could use this other prop I have in the mean while. It's a 422 12.5x15.5v r1" ? I'm not sure if it will work or not thought I would ask. Thanks

Wrong rotation and as noted '02 might be a splined shaft, not keyed.

Nice boat--looks like you did well for 20K.

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Creampuff
08-26-2012, 10:47 PM
Thanks, I took it out and wakeboarded for about 2 hours tonight. I changed the oil and filter and put new trans fluid in before I went out. The boat ran great other than the vibration from the prop. The oil pressure is a little low I believe. It's about 10-15 at idle and 40ish at running speeds. The check engine light would come on after about 2 or 3 minutes of start up. It would do it every time I turned it off. When I got home I drained the oil and it was pretty clean surprisingly. The trans fluid was pinkish not red so I am changing them both again. I am gonna try and see if there is a place here in the city that can rebuild the ballast pump electrical motors tomorrow. Then comes the gas gauge, tachometer, and I need a tower mirror. But performance wise I
Think it will do everything I need it to and then some.

bcd
08-26-2012, 11:18 PM
You can try to taking your ballast motors apart and cleaning them up to see if that will fix them. Here's some instructions on what to do:
http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=42810

bcd
08-26-2012, 11:20 PM
If your brushes are cracked, you can do a search on the internet to find replacements. Just measure them to order the correct size. I looked online and found some, but never ended up ordering them since I had an extra motor. Sorry, I didn't save the site or size.

Creampuff
08-26-2012, 11:34 PM
thanks for the link. i took one of mine apart last night and I cleaned it and tried to put it back together but I didnt know the string trick and i screwed one of them up.

mtajpa
08-26-2012, 11:49 PM
"The trans fluid was pinkish not red"

Should be red if you just changed it. You may have a trans cooler that is leaking water into the trans causing the fluid to turn pink. Was it pink before you changed it?

snork
08-27-2012, 12:26 AM
little low on the oil pressure

76S&S
08-27-2012, 10:03 AM
Most people run 15w40 in the trans as well. I know I do, but it is what was in it when I got my boat.

wheelerd
08-27-2012, 11:30 AM
In case you are not aware, you can download a 2002 MC owner's manual here http://www.mastercraft.com/knowledge/owners_manuals
My 01 Manual doesn't specify tranny fluid type. Just says "Check with the MasterCraft dealer."
Later manuals however specify:
1 to 2 qts Dextron 3 transmission fluid with 1:1 transmission;
2 to 3 qts 15W40 motor oil with 1.5:1 transmission;
4.5 qts. SAE 15W40 motor oil with V-drive transmission

Creampuff
08-27-2012, 12:23 PM
Oops mine is a v drive and I put dex-merc in it. I guess I better get some motor oil for it.

JustinLoFlow
08-27-2012, 12:28 PM
This looks very similar if not exactly like my 04 X2. Same color cheme as well. Good buy.

LouisvilleFan
08-27-2012, 01:58 PM
Nice Boat! I have an all Red X-1 and it stands out on the water.

g-Dog
08-27-2012, 02:40 PM
Oops mine is a v drive and I put dex-merc in it. I guess I better get some motor oil for it.

I have an '02 205V...same engine and trans as yours. The dex-merc in the trans is fine. It's actually what is spec'd in my owners manual. Some people switch over to 15w-40 because it's a little quieter, but it's not 100% necessary.

Creampuff
08-27-2012, 07:46 PM
Well I just left the prop shop in okc...... It didnt go very well. I need new prop, rudder, shaft, strut, and packing. I guess that the worse case is the current case. Grrrrrrr if anyone knows where to get a deal on these parts send me the links. They said they could probably straighten the shaft. I bought the boat pretty cheap to use not to patch up and flip...... I guess I'll have a little more in it.

milkmania
08-27-2012, 11:26 PM
I am pulling my prop to get fixed tomorrow, I was wondering if I could use this other prop I have in the mean while. It's a 422 12.5x15.5v r1" ? I'm not sure if it will work or not thought I would ask. Thanks

Well I just left the prop shop in okc...... It didnt go very well. I need new prop, rudder, shaft, strut, and packing. I guess that the worse case is the current case. Grrrrrrr if anyone knows where to get a deal on these parts send me the links. They said they could probably straighten the shaft. I bought the boat pretty cheap to use not to patch up and flip...... I guess I'll have a little more in it.
wait, what?
I don't remember reading about any kind of vibration on your maiden voyage...:confused:
what made you decide to run it by the prop shop?

Creampuff
08-28-2012, 12:35 AM
I knew it was gonna vibrate because the prop was dinged up. But I wasn't expecting all that.

jmw
08-28-2012, 01:01 AM
I dont know your prop shop but what tests did they do to conclude you need all that work done? I would be a little concerned that they are trying to take you to the cleaners... You should be able to look at the bearings in the strut and tell if they are worn out or if there is a lot of play in shaft... The packing is easy to replace if you have the shaft removed but if the boat is not taking on water, how did they come to the conclusion you need new packing... You might want to get a second opinion or pull it apart yourself and for a little over a thousand replace everything doing it yourself... Also any machine shop can check the shaft once it's out but rolling it on a smooth surface will tell you a lot.

Also Port City Props in Fort Smith does excellent prop work and I've only seen 1 prop they could not fix and they tried but a blade was bent so bad it broke when they were trying to straighten it.

Creampuff
08-28-2012, 01:45 AM
The prop shop here is the city is owned by the cousin to a guy I work with so he isn't trying to get over on me. They pulled the prop while was standing there. The mechanic said that there wAs a lot more damage than just the prop. You can visually see the rudder is bent. The strut is bent, the shaft is bent and the prop is chewed up. And yes it did take some water on while we were out yesterday. He quoted me $2000 or close to it for everything. He said it will be more if they have to pull the motor up to get the driveshaft out. Will It come out without pulling the motor? If its not a hard fix I could go get it tomorrow and do the work myself. But if it's a rascal I'll just pay them.

FrankSchwab
08-28-2012, 02:24 AM
See post #11 here (http://mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=50538) for some reading material from others with similar stories.

I don't think you'll need to pull the motor - if your boat is built like mine, the propshaft is bolted to the transmission under the rear seat, and the coupling is easy to get to.

It's probably a good day's work to get the work done; less if you've done it before. When you (or your mechanic) are working on it, consider following the steps in the attached document. It'll smooth the driveline as much as possible, and reduce wear.

Consider a dripless packing while you have it out. I don't have one, and probably wouldn't pay for one in your situation, but others swear by them. Guess it depends how many wet kids and dogs are climbing in your boat all day long.

jmw
08-28-2012, 02:58 PM
$2000 does not sound like a bad price... You don't need to remove the motor to get the shaft out. I did not see in any of your original posts that you could visually see the rudder and strut were bent but it must have took a pretty hard hit for all that to be bent. If you would have stated that originally as you can see from the post(s) FrankSchwab referenced above that this repair alone was going to get pricey quickly... Best of luck with your purchase because I would guess by adding the rudder to the repair, parts alone will be very close to $1500 unless you can find them used.