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tim79mc
08-15-2012, 07:22 PM
Hi,

I'm replacing our trusty 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee - we've outgrown the Jeep and need a third road seat. So, we've looked at the Honda Pilot (yuck) and Ford Explorer. Love the 2011-13 Explorers, but wondering about towing.

Does anyone have one of these? The powertrain is different - transverse V6 engine, FWD with RWD assist to make "4x4" - I didn't see any 4WD low option, which we use all of the time for pulling out of our launch.

Also wondering about braking. I have a '79 S&S and the trailer is without brakes.

Thanks for the thoughts!

Tim

zsqure
08-15-2012, 09:25 PM
You won't know until you hook it up and drag your boat down the road. Find one with a tow package and give it a try.

j.mccreight@hotmail.com
08-15-2012, 09:41 PM
2013 explorer with 3.5 ecoboost is rated for max 5000 lbs so I think your ' 79 skier is just fine...

JBrew
08-16-2012, 10:04 AM
We have a 2011 with the V6 tow package, max towing capacity rated at 5,000 lbs. We pull our X9... and well to be honest its not enough. The only reason we continue to do so is because its the vehicle we get though work and don't want to have two SUV's. When you give it gas it pulls hard to the right in FWD or 4WD sand. If we go say 60-63 mph it gets about 12 mpg anything over it is around 5-8 mpg. If you have any other specific questions please feel free to ask

As for you I would say it is fine. Our boat is rated at around 3k plus the trailer so we are at the max.

mzimme
08-16-2012, 10:14 AM
I'd keep looking at other vehicles. If you looked at a Honda, go look at their competitors... Toyota and Nissan. 4Runners, Sequoias, Armada, Pathfinder... I think all of these have options with 3rd row seats, and V8's.

I used to sell Honda's 5 years ago. The pilot is a great vehicle, but like almost all other Honda's, its entirely underpowered. Given JBrew's explorer experience, I wouldn't want to touch that explorer for towing purposes.

LYNRDSKYNRD
08-16-2012, 10:24 AM
If you are keeping the '79 I think you will be fine. I'm sure the above mentioned X-9 has to weigh alot more than your boat. I tow my 87 prostar with the added weight of an ND tower with an 04
I6 trailblazer and it gets us back and forth without any problems. Of course where we live and tow it's not to hilly and our longest tow of the year is about 2 hours one way.

willyt
08-16-2012, 04:38 PM
you'll never hear someone when towing a boat say, "Man, i wish i had a smaller truck or a couple less cylinders"

now around town... different story. jbrew is a pretty straight shooter (straighter than his knees are), so i would heed his advice.

for some background, i have a 07 tahoe LTZ i tow a 07 star with. wish i had a bigger truck

mzimme
08-16-2012, 05:34 PM
I have a I6 cherokee (5000lb capacity) and pull my S&S (about 3500lbs with trailer/gear/gas), and I really wish I had more. Around town it's fine, but the highways I certainly am never in a hurry. I would go bigger than the explorer. At least get something you can lock into 4 low.

bturner2
08-17-2012, 08:25 AM
I have an 06 F150 with the 5.4 and pull a 07 X2. Does a very good job but am looking into tuners to get a bit more out of it. For years I pulled the same size boats with 2 door Explorer Sports that had the old V6s in them. They did the job but moving to the F150 was like night and day. Like everyone is saying above you'll always want more when it comes to tow vehicles.

ccelia
08-17-2012, 09:45 AM
If you liked your grand cherokee, maybe check out the dodge durango with a hemi. They have a third row seat and should have enough power to tow your boat. I think they do pretty good on gas for having a v8.

zsqure
09-01-2012, 05:58 PM
Rumor is that the Durango shares a Mercedes platform. Maybe someone can shed some light on this. It is very nice.

ccelia
09-01-2012, 06:43 PM
I believe that it shares the same platform as the mercedes M-class. I have the new Grand Cherokee, which I believe is the same platform as the Durango just a few inches longer, and it is a great vehicle - very smooth and comfortable ride.

GoneBoatN
09-01-2012, 07:23 PM
You say you need the 3rd seat. I had an Explorer a few years back. I found that the rear seat was only good for kids as it was kind of tight. I believe the 3rd seat is only a 2-seater. The other issue was that when you used the rear seat it left very little cargo room behind it. For those reasons it drove me to a larger size vehicle with a v8.

H2OSKEE
09-01-2012, 07:30 PM
I second the Durango, those new ones are nice.

bnixon
09-01-2012, 09:18 PM
I have the Durango with the Hemi. You will not know the boat is back there! Pulls great! averaged about 18 mpg highway and about 12 with the boat.

Great SUV!


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CCAnderson
09-04-2012, 12:49 PM
We pull our 209 with a Toyota Highlander rated at 5000# towing which is the same drive line layout as the Exploder. I have not weighed the boat and trailer but it is all that the Highlander wants I estimate that boat and trailer are more then 4000#. At 75 mph you do not drive with your knee. I have never found a reason to use 4 low for pulling a boat up the ramp so don't get too wound up about that feature.

The 79 should not weigh anywhere near my 209 and I think the Exploder would be fine. I used to tow a lot with an old S-10 blazer. and it did the job fine.

Based on previous experience don't go with Pathfinder. it may be a true 4 wheel drive but when I yanked around the Nautique 206 it was always hitting the limits in the suspension.

If you can find an older Exploder they were rated at 8000# towing. Ford dropped that capability because less than 0.5% of owners used it.

MC209
09-04-2012, 09:09 PM
if you plan on keepin the s&s you should be fine.. but if their is even a chance of change. plan on changing your rig also.

MC209
09-04-2012, 09:11 PM
your 209 dry is around 2850lbs, plus gear and trailer. you get up to a 5000lb limit pretty quick.

We pull our 209 with a Toyota Highlander rated at 5000# towing which is the same drive line layout as the Exploder. I have not weighed the boat and trailer but it is all that the Highlander wants I estimate that boat and trailer are more then 4000#. At 75 mph you do not drive with your knee. I have never found a reason to use 4 low for pulling a boat up the ramp so don't get too wound up about that feature.

The 79 should not weigh anywhere near my 209 and I think the Exploder would be fine. I used to tow a lot with an old S-10 blazer. and it did the job fine.

Based on previous experience don't go with Pathfinder. it may be a true 4 wheel drive but when I yanked around the Nautique 206 it was always hitting the limits in the suspension.

If you can find an older Exploder they were rated at 8000# towing. Ford dropped that capability because less than 0.5% of owners used it.

CCAnderson
09-05-2012, 02:57 PM
2850# dry plus 860# for single axle trailer plus 35 gallons fuel @ 7# per gallon and I'm at 3955. Throw in the tower, boom, skis, anchor, cooler etc and easily over 4K

Like I said. it is all that the Highlander wants

CC2MC
10-10-2012, 09:53 PM
I have an 06 4runner with the V8. It tows my PS 205 fine, but I do wish it had a little more. I towed it for the first time from TN down to AL and in the hills of TN, the truck had to shift down a couple gears to get up the mountains, but all in all did a good job. I averaged about 13 mpg, which strangely enough I averaged about the same pulling my Sea Doo Speedster 150 as well, which is a much lighter boat. I would not, however recommend it for a good third row vehicle as the 4runner has a live rear axle and you really would not have sufficient room in the back for more than a couple small children and little to no luggage. Tahoe would be my choice for my next tow vehicle or possibly the Sequoia with the 5.7.

FrankSchwab
10-11-2012, 02:41 AM
Different model year, but it may help out.

I pulled our 1998 Maristar 200 VRS (think early 2000's x10) with my 1998 4.0L V6 Explorer for a lot of miles, and never had a problem or a concern (except when traveling over 75 mph, when the trailer would oscillate a bit). I had to slow down to 55 mph or so when going up 6% grade on the way to Lake Powell, but never had a concern when braking.

There are some on this board who advocate the "I have a truck that's so big I can't even tell when 5000 pounds of boat are hooked up to the back", but my personal opinion is that they're a bit over the top. I could tell when the 4000 pounds of boat+trailer were hooked up to my Explorer, but I never felt that my family was in greater danger as a result.

/frank

svxwilson
08-25-2013, 08:48 PM
Get a 3/4 ton or larger. I have a 2001 F-250 with the V-10. Payed 7k for it. I get 10mpg at 65-70 through the Montana mountains. It has 130k miles. If I do my part on the hills it never even leaves O/D. I am happy with the money I saved, power and great towing power I gained by going with a reliable older truck. Doesn't leak or burn any oil, I even swapped it to a synthetic blend with the eventual plans of going full synthetic. It's not a beauty but it does the intended job very well. My typical lake trip is at minimum 100 miles away. So something that pulls well was a requirement for me.