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LisaJ
08-15-2012, 12:43 PM
OK-I'm back after a couple more weekends of practice on my wakeboard. Two things I'm really struggling with and end up exhausted before I've executed them correctly: 1st, I can NOT get comfortable on my toeside edge. My board wants to porposide on me if the water has any turbulence to it at all and makes me uncomfortable and hightail it back over to my heelside. 2nd-my timing at the wake for my heelside jumps is NOT right. I can not clear the wake and I end up back in the boat with my upperbody strength gone. I usually pull about 20 minutes/per session twice/day on the weekends. Below is a short youtube video of me trying to jump the wake. I don't like where my hips are on my toeside edge and can't figure out why they are poked out behind me. I feel like I'm going to fall over on my face sometimes if I edge onto my toe anymore than I do.

http://youtu.be/278DA8tqVw4

Any suggestions welcomed! I want to do this!!!!

Thanks, Lisa

LYNRDSKYNRD
08-15-2012, 01:11 PM
Okay just watched your video

Heelside:
1st most of the time you are coming of your edge early and flattening the board out as you go up the wake. Its called a progressive edge which means it starts slow and should get progressively faster as you approach the wake. You want your cut to be fastest as you go up the wake and then continue edging through the top of the wake.
2nd you are absorbing alot of the line tension and energy of the cut by bending (actually squating) your knees as you go over the wake. As you reach the top of the wake you want to stand tall and push off. Think of getting up out of a chair that same motion of pushing upwards with your legs. You last cut was pretty good and you didn't bend your knees that's why you got close. Harder cut and push up with your legs when you get to the top of the wake.

maristardd
08-15-2012, 01:27 PM
How about getting an instructor to ride along? They'll see a lot of things and can help not only correct things, but give you some drills that can emphasize helpful things. I've done that the last few sessions to ramp up on wakeboarding and it's helped me a lot.

I can pass along what we've been working recently on that may help.
- look towards the wake before you cut towards it, not after
- as you go to the wake, have your edge get progressively harder, so if scale 1-5, it is 1 when just after you cut, working up to 5 as you are going up wake
- arms straight with hands low (waist high) as you go into wake
- pushing/standing with your legs as you go up wake (pushing in middle of wake, not top/lip)
- on toe side which is much harder for me as well, practice cutting toe side with arms straight/low and almost around back to your hips. And making sure to cut both on way up and landing, not riding board flat.

- my instructor also had me practicing riding switch, where once you do that a little (with how uncomfortable that it), you realize how much easier even toeside feels.

- regarding clearing wake on heelside, maybe also it's little bit the boat speed? Some of your wake looks like mine around 16/17 mph where it wider and nice to practice, but at 22 it gets narrower where easier to clear.

Hope any of this helps, FWIW. I'm 47 getting into wakeboarding - I can snowboard and ski, but haven't really been on waterskis for 30 years. I was able to get up on a wakeboard w/o much help, but the instructor can really accelerate you through the learning curve, even for just a session.

LisaJ
08-15-2012, 03:02 PM
Thanks for the replies. I appreciate you taking the time to view my video. I didn't realize until I watched the video myself that I wasn't doing a progressive edge but exactly the opposite (which I think may be driven by a little bit of fear-you know UH OH here comes the wake....I want to to do...not I don't...yes I do...no I don't). I'm 49 years old and just started wakeboarding in June after not skiing for 30 years as well. But, I do love it and want to progress for sure. An instructor is an excellent idea and that will keep me from continuing bad habits. And I've said all along that the wake behind my new boat looks SO WIDE!!! I pull at 19.4 mph behind my Maristar 215 with 50% Balast on port and starboard sides. Much faster and I lose my confidence trying to edge out on my toe for the set up to cut back. Anybody instructors out there in the Lake Tillery, NC area reading this post....I'd love to hear from you.

Lisa

LYNRDSKYNRD
08-15-2012, 03:04 PM
What is your rope length at 19.4 mph?

Did a quick search and came up with this

http://www.beachbumskiandsurf.com/lessons.html

LisaJ
08-15-2012, 03:07 PM
My rope is around 55' or so

snork
08-15-2012, 03:35 PM
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snork
08-15-2012, 03:43 PM
Looks like a slalom rope and handle
Check your message

maristardd
08-15-2012, 03:50 PM
I'll see if I can get a shot next time of my wake at 16 and 22, its a pretty big difference on width (94 Maristar 225, no ballast). BTW, at those speeds my stock speedometer is useless, I'm using a Garmin GPS on the dash, but you may be much newer / better speedo, in case you are basing speed off a non-gps speedometer.

ricford
08-15-2012, 04:38 PM
What size board are you using. It's hard to tell from the video, but it almost looks too small for you. That may be part of the porpoising problem. If you could cut out a little farther on your toe side it would give you more time for a good solid edge into the wake generating more speed. As you are cutting out on your toe side try and get your hips more forward on the board. It seems you have too much weight on your back foot. I've attached a shot of my daughter. See the hip position. Hips to the handle.

LisaJ
08-15-2012, 04:48 PM
Liquid Force Luna 133 board with Liquid Force Transit Boots . I'm 5'-7" and 130 lbs. My board porpoises alot if the water is real smooth. I can't seem to make it stop and I end up jumping back behind the boat to gather my composure and try again.

My rope is a wakeboard rope and handle-not a ski rope.

LisaJ
08-15-2012, 04:50 PM
If the water "isn't" real smooth

Fab
08-15-2012, 05:03 PM
Well i'm not a pro wakeboarder but I totally approve what was said before, you need to get a more agressive edge to gain some speed and power to pop up, and don't forget about hands low to waist to keep line tension...

For your toe side problem...well on the vid you'r riding some choppy water IMO, so it could explain why you can't have a good control...For now I only ride when the water is almost glass or I find it very unconfortable...

That said...I still have some troubles to clear the wake too...So these advices work for me too !! thx people for helping us !!! ;-)

ccrydr
08-16-2012, 03:15 PM
So I just cleared the wake for the first time this past weekend. I agree 100% with Lynrds' assessment you are absorbing all the pop with your knees and you are giving up on the edge at the wake (and yes it is a little scary)...I weigh 245 and i needed to be pulled at 22. you may need to go a bit faster than your 19 but prob not much. The faster speed will narrow the wake considerably.

ricford
08-16-2012, 05:28 PM
If you look at the pic I posted, you'll see that her back is straight and her hips are forward. That will really help the porpoising and let you cut out farther.

swatguy
08-21-2012, 12:20 AM
To add as well. The video speaks thousand words. You are def letting off your edge and flattening out. This is where you are loosing your pop.

You also don't seem to spring up. You really need to spring up and stand tall at the wake. Like a flat land jump. You knees are absorbing the kick from the wake rather than kicking back/ jumping off it. The 3rd wake to wake approach is where u want to be . In the first two you took way to wide of an approach at the wake.

Another thing you are doing that is killing your pop is changing your edge very abrubtly and hitting the gas very hard to start your cut. This is not what you want for a progressive edge. You want to slowly keep building your speed all the way to the wake. Shorten up you approach to qbout where u were in the 3rd jump......meaning don't cut so far out before you edge back towards the wake. Slowly drift towards the wake to start, and then bend your knees and build up speed. The reason you are flattening out is because you feel like you are going to fast I bet. This is because u are really changing your edge very abrubtly to start back in towards the wake. Make te edge change slow and smooth.

Toe side you seem to bend more at the waist. Try standing taller, keep your balance over your board,and bend from your ankles instead. Put the pressure on the tongue/ shin area of your bindings.

All in all you are there. Your riding is very in control and you stay well balanced. There is not to many jumps where you seem to loose your form. We just have to tweak some small issues that are really the core of you no pop. The approach and line and mechanics of the jump at the 30 sec mark were all there except the sping off the wake. You drifted in much better than built up your speed. Had you sprung off the wake and stood tall it would have been the wake to wake jump you are looking for. Watch that jump a few times

LisaJ
08-22-2012, 04:07 PM
Gone back and viewed the video many more times. I do see that I'm rushing my cut in the early stages and flattening off (in preparation of hitting the wake going what I feel is TOO fast). Not meaning to do it, but unconsciously doing it. This weekend I'm going to slow myself down and try to pop up and not go so fast. Thanks for everyone's input. It helps so much. And it helps for me to go back and "re-read" the notes.

PS: Had a bad crash this past weekend. Ended up with bad vertigo in the water after case'n the wake, being drug out, getting an MRI (no damage to head). Still have vertigo, but hoping to be over it soon!

tmacx2
08-23-2012, 06:49 PM
When you cut back into the wake on your progressive edge are you supposed to flatten out before or on the wake or in the air? When I go into the wake on an aggressive edge I have a tendency to land on the edge and go flying out the other side. I see people land perfectly flat and can't quite figure it out.

bcd
08-23-2012, 11:08 PM
You want to land still on edge cutting out. also look t out towards the side, not back at the boat.

homer12
08-24-2012, 01:26 PM
Toe side you seem to bend more at the waist. Try standing taller, keep your balance over your board,and bend from your ankles instead. Put the pressure on the tongue/ shin area of your bindings.


x2 ^ I'm no pro, but that was well said. You look like you're just leaning over at the waist for TS. When you put pressure on the tongue/shin of the bindings you are also putting your body weight into your toes, put pressure in those toes (and balls of your feet) and feel that edge.

The pop on the wake that everyone else said is spot on. One thing that might help is to start real close to the wake and feel a progressive edge without trying to jump the whole wake. Start there and gradually work farther outside the wake increasing distance and pop.

swatguy
08-30-2012, 11:15 PM
Whoops wrong thread sorry