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Limpkin
08-02-2012, 12:31 AM
Hey all,
I currently own a 2010 MC X15 that is loaded, and I absolutely love it. It does everything I do very well. I have an opportunity to get into a 2013 X30 with very little cash out.

Since my primary concern is the surf wake I am wondering if anyone has tried out both.
I am able to get a fantastic wake with my X15, not just in size but it has a great amount of force. From the videos and pictures I have seen of the X30 wake it is only about half of what I am getting on my X15 (length and size). So i am wondering has anyone rode both fully set up for surfing? It seems like the only people who have commented/posted videos and pictures are people who put 400 lbs in the locker and the wake is not enough to make me make the jump (it looks like a jump backwards) but in fairness none of them set up like I do my X15.

Man I wish I could get behind one before this chance goes away!

Any input would be welcome, my wife loves all the new goodies on the 2013 and the boat is beautiful (so is my X15 though).

Below is a picture of my wake BEFORE I fully tweaked it. It is a bit better than shown. I will try to get an updated pic soon.

http://eazypics.net/image.php?id=A7F8_5019F922&gif
Thanks in advance!

Xstreamws
08-02-2012, 12:41 AM
I posted this the other day on another thread:

I have been looking at the X30 as well and one of my friends just had one out this past weekend and said the 30 has a sickest surf wake hands down and would buy the 30 over over the 25 any day.... And did! I will have one out on Friday to test the surf wake myself. I will let you all know my 2 cents worth as soon as I can. I will take pics....

TheWoons
08-02-2012, 12:52 AM
I posted this the other day on another thread:

I have been looking at the X30 as well and one of my friends just had one out this past weekend and said the 30 has a sickest surf wake hands down and would buy the 30 over over the 25 any day.... And did! I will have one out on Friday to test the surf wake myself. I will let you all know my 2 cents worth as soon as I can. I will take pics....

And he surfed a properly weighted 25 to make that comparison to the 30? Pics and vids of 25 wake and 30 he's been on?

Limpkin
08-02-2012, 12:56 AM
Yesterday I was bummed to see a 2012 X30 pull out of the launch in front of my house, had I come home about 20 min earlier I would have seen the boat in action. Its going to be tough to leave the X15...
If any proud '12 or '13 X30 owners in the midwest need a third anytime soon let me know :)

501s
08-02-2012, 01:53 AM
I have a 2012 X-30. The surf wave is all that. I have been on several other boats with lots of weight and I definitley like the surf wave on the 30 the best. Soooo much push and such a nice shape. We just do the factory plus a 750 and it's more then enough. I personally think its silly to add 2 or 3k extra just for surfing, and on the 30 it's not needed.

Surf it and drive it, you won't be disappointed. This picture doesn't do it justice and this is with just stock plus about 500lbs, but trust me it's legit.

Specter
08-02-2012, 09:45 AM
How long do you have to make your decision? The reason I ask is because I have a new 30 and I've surfed the factory ballast a lot. It's good but not great. However, I just snagged a 900lb sumo sac that I'm going to try tonight. I'll try and snap pictures and post them here. The other reason I ask about time is because a good buddy of mine (who is on here) just got a '12 X-15 and has surfed it. We have plans to be on both boats this week and could probably give you a good comparison if you have time. Let me know and we'll do our best to get some info your way.

Can you put a deposit on the 30 to hold it? I would do that if you need more time to make up your mind.

Limpkin
08-02-2012, 10:03 AM
I have a little time and even if I sign the line they are going to give me an out if I do not like it. But I want to really start selling the X-15 if I am going to do this. Please let me know what you come up with, in addition if you need help weighting out the X15 let me know I have it down.

willyt
08-02-2012, 10:08 AM
where are you in the midwest? we're heading to norris for masterbash this weekend (put on my cincymc) and i'm sure there'll be a 30 there

Limpkin
08-02-2012, 10:11 AM
Madison, Wi

Double
08-02-2012, 10:37 AM
I was supposed to take some picks of just me in my 30 with a 750 fatsac last weekend but I just didn't get around to it. I will do that this weekend...

I've surfed behind my 30 and a 2011 x55 with an extra 1500lb's of ballast and my wave is about 1 foot shorter than the x55. The 55 wake is about 5 foot tall, mine is around 4 foot.

Limpkin
08-02-2012, 10:45 AM
I am not familiar with the X55 is that similar to the X15?

Double
08-02-2012, 10:55 AM
the x55 is a pickle fork 25ft boat. Weighs 5500lb's dry (i think, off memory), and my neighbor has another 1500lbs of bags to go with 1000lbs of stock ballast. So my point was that I think my 30 has as good a wake except for height (5ft vs 4ft) with a lot less weight. I haven't been behind a x15 so this is the best comparison I can give at the moment.

Double
08-02-2012, 10:56 AM
but like I said I'll get some better pictures this weekend with no surfer for you to compare.

jkcTN
08-02-2012, 12:00 PM
Hey all,
I currently own a 2010 MC X15 that is loaded, and I absolutely love it. It does everything I do very well. I have an opportunity to get into a 2013 X30 with very little cash out.

Since my primary concern is the surf wake I am wondering if anyone has tried out both.
I am able to get a fantastic wake with my X15, not just in size but it has a great amount of force. From the videos and pictures I have seen of the X30 wake it is only about half of what I am getting on my X15 (length and size). So i am wondering has anyone rode both fully set up for surfing? It seems like the only people who have commented/posted videos and pictures are people who put 400 lbs in the locker and the wake is not enough to make me make the jump (it looks like a jump backwards) but in fairness none of them set up like I do my X15.

Man I wish I could get behind one before this chance goes away!

Any input would be welcome, my wife loves all the new goodies on the 2013 and the boat is beautiful (so is my X15 though).

Below is a picture of my wake BEFORE I fully tweaked it. It is a bit better than shown. I will try to get an updated pic soon.

http://eazypics.net/image.php?id=A7F8_5019F922&gif
Thanks in advance!

Limpkin,

What ballast are you running now in the X15?

Limpkin
08-02-2012, 12:14 PM
This wake was the result of 3 stock all filled, 750 port side, v bag up front, locker bag on the port side floor (to simulate 3 people), Driver (200lbs on starboard), one passenger (175 in back).

KnoxVol
08-02-2012, 12:21 PM
I surf my '12 X30 with a 900lb sack in the surf side locker in addition to stock and the wave is everything you've read it to be. It only gets better (or longer) the more passengers you add. If we have enough passengers, I don't even fool with the sack.

The wave has a ton of push and a nice long pocket to play in. I'd be shocked if you didn't love it.

I know of at least three X-30s that will be at MasterBash this weekend. I will be one of them!

Specter
08-02-2012, 02:45 PM
I surf my '12 X30 with a 900lb sack in the surf side locker in addition to stock and the wave is everything you've read it to be. It only gets better (or longer) the more passengers you add. If we have enough passengers, I don't even fool with the sack.

The wave has a ton of push and a nice long pocket to play in. I'd be shocked if you didn't love it.

I know of at least three X-30s that will be at MasterBash this weekend. I will be one of them!

I forgot all about KnoxVol having the same setup as me. I will still try and get pictures but I would take his comments and run with them. We literally have the same boat, color and all.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7691767594_3021d69ea0_b.jpg

Limpkin
08-02-2012, 02:54 PM
Great looking boat. I still think I want to ride behind one before I make the final decision. Hopefully in the next week or so. The input does make it easier.

How do your wakes compare to the picture I posted. I know it is hard to tell the size without a person there, but that wake is right at/around chest high on a surfer positioned (bent knees and bent over at waist person. Or a little more than belly button high on a 6 ft person standing up straight. As far as length I can stand at the end of my rope and it pushes so much I need to keep my weight on my back foot.

Specter
08-02-2012, 10:04 PM
Great looking boat. I still think I want to ride behind one before I make the final decision. Hopefully in the next week or so. The input does make it easier.

How do your wakes compare to the picture I posted. I know it is hard to tell the size without a person there, but that wake is right at/around chest high on a surfer positioned (bent knees and bent over at waist person. Or a little more than belly button high on a 6 ft person standing up straight. As far as length I can stand at the end of my rope and it pushes so much I need to keep my weight on my back foot.

We went out tonight but I never got to snap any pictures. Regardless, mine looked similar to the pictures 501s posted earlier. We ride a 5'3'' LF Fish and a 4'10'' LF Custom and the wake pushes them both really well. Tonight was the first time we rode with our 900lb sumo sac and one push on the front of the board sent my flying into the swim platform.

501s
08-03-2012, 01:27 AM
The wave is clean with a nice lip and is long. It has a ton of push too. here is a pic of me and my son riding it.

Specter
08-03-2012, 08:37 AM
The wave is clean with a nice lip and is long. It has a ton of push too. here is a pic of me and my son riding it.

What speed is the boat set at?

501s
08-03-2012, 11:08 AM
Usually around 10.5 Mph.

Specter
08-03-2012, 04:04 PM
Usually around 10.5 Mph.

We were pulling around 11.5 last night so that must have been our issue with not getting a clean wave. Thanks.

TheWoons
08-03-2012, 05:04 PM
Going too fast won't be your issue. Speeding up will clean up a washy wave. If you didn't have a clean wave at 11.5mph you have other issues with how the boat is weighted.

I think everyone is still waiting for some good videos and pics of a weighted X30 for surfing :)

Double
08-03-2012, 06:47 PM
I promised that last weekend and didn't come thru. But I've already packed my wifes camera for this weekend ;)

Double
08-03-2012, 06:51 PM
Going too fast won't be your issue. Speeding up will clean up a washy wave. If you didn't have a clean wave at 11.5mph you have other issues with how the boat is weighted.

I think everyone is still waiting for some good videos and pics of a weighted X30 for surfing :)

then i need help figuring out what board I should be surfing on. Right now a 5'6" hyperlight broadcast

Limpkin
08-03-2012, 06:54 PM
How are you running the boat? On the boats I set up I normally:

Fill all 3 stock tanks (Off surf side tank may or may not help, I have found it to help more often than not. Fill this last maybe)
Fill a 400-700lb bag on surf side.
Fill a bag in bow section (or two ideally)
3-4 people on surf side.

Pretty much ANY boat will have an awesome wake with that. You may need to speed up to clear up the wake with this much weight though.

Double
08-03-2012, 06:57 PM
I'm doing real testing this weekend, but up until now I just run full kgb, full port and a 750 bag in port locker. Then all people in port seats or middle flip seat facing backwards

Limpkin
08-03-2012, 07:00 PM
I'm doing real testing this weekend, but up until now I just run full kgb, full port and a 750 bag in port locker. Then all people in port seats or middle flip seat facing backwards

Try the setup above, most people just fill the port side and an extra, usually they are leaving a lot on the table. If you do not have extra bags make a lot of friends. As a boat owner its easy :) :) :) If you were close to Wisconsin I could/would bring around 6klbs in bags to ya.

Trig2275
08-03-2012, 07:10 PM
My X-15 wave looks like Limpkin's set up with KGB 100%, port 100% starboard 50% bag in the rear port locker, 1 bag where the cooler goes, and 1 under the observers seat. Sometimes I put the bags on the seat forming an L with them. Couple people in the front on the port side. If I have more people in the boat we just pile them all up on the port side and don't use the extra 2 bags. It really really helps to have someone sit on the back corner too. Trim plate down about 20%

Aric'sX15
08-03-2012, 09:17 PM
I was supposed to take some picks of just me in my 30 with a 750 fatsac last weekend but I just didn't get around to it. I will do that this weekend...

I've surfed behind my 30 and a 2011 x55 with an extra 1500lb's of ballast and my wave is about 1 foot shorter than the x55. The 55 wake is about 5 foot tall, mine is around 4 foot.

5 foot tall?! That would be up to my shoulders. I need pics to believe that. My x15 barely comes to my waist with 1k pounds of extra ballast.

Limpkin
08-04-2012, 07:43 PM
I will be bringing my bags to a '12 X-30 Monday evening, if pictures are not posted by then I will try to get some. Hopefully this test drive will help me make my decision.

501s
08-05-2012, 02:48 PM
Pictures are never the same as actually riding it. That's where the x30 shines.

Specter
08-05-2012, 06:44 PM
Here's a shot from yesterday behind my '12 X-30. I didn't get one showcasing the wave w/o a rider but you get the gist.

Weight & Board Specs:
Boat Speed - 11.0mph
Port & KGB ballast - 100%
700lbs in port locker
2 passengers on port side
1 driver
Liquid Force Fish 5'3''

Double
08-07-2012, 01:41 PM
5 foot tall?! That would be up to my shoulders. I need pics to believe that. My x15 barely comes to my waist with 1k pounds of extra ballast.

Yeah, my neighbors x55 wake when I'm down right off the platform is shoulder high. That's how I come up with the 5ft number. I'll get a pic next time I go out with him, don't want to post the pictures of his family without his permission.

I'm uploading a video now of my son behind the X30 with a 750lb sack in the port locker. I think I need more weight in the bow and up the port side to elongate the wake. But it's still good considering it's me and my wife and my two kids in the boat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKAJjXJaGWA&feature=youtu.be

Limpkin
08-07-2012, 02:24 PM
Just for comparison sake.

This is my Dad's 2011 X-15 with one 750 sack in rear port, stock port and KGB tanks full.

The Surfer was out on the board and wakesurfing for the first time ever.

He was originally on a Model X board but he could not stop it from almost hitting the boat so we put him on a smaller board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkVoYctyhJo&feature=youtu.be

Trig2275
08-07-2012, 04:38 PM
Here is my 2010 X-15

My 10 yr old surfing, 2nd try

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cInzRcEgKnM&list=UUQbTBX3ca_X3E9siX3pATUQ&index=2&feature=plcp

moleson10
08-08-2012, 05:45 PM
I'm surprised at the amount of extra balast most of you guys are running. I run stock KGB (500#), stock port (#250) plus 1100# port rear locker and 750# port front compartment in my 08 X* and feel that's the mimimum. Most of the other surfers I know are running similar or more balast. I'd like to run another 750 but I don't want to deal with the plumbing.

Maybe your boats have more stock balast?

Trig2275
08-08-2012, 05:59 PM
They have bigger boats and different hulls. It takes a lot weight to sink and list a X-25 or X-45. If I ran as much weight in my X-15 as the guys do in their x-25's my rub rail would be under water.

Limpkin
08-08-2012, 06:09 PM
I'm surprised at the amount of extra balast most of you guys are running. I run stock KGB (500#), stock port (#250) plus 1100# port rear locker and 750# port front compartment in my 08 X* and feel that's the mimimum. Most of the other surfers I know are running similar or more balast. I'd like to run another 750 but I don't want to deal with the plumbing.

Maybe your boats have more stock balast?

What kind of boat do you have? X Star?

Limpkin
08-09-2012, 12:28 PM
So this is the wake I got on the X-30 the other day.

Its is not quite as big as I got on the X-15, however, I believe the depth of the water was a huge factor in that. This boat does have a lot of potential!

http://eazypics.net/image.php?id=A184_5023D6F2&jpg (http://eazypics.net/share.php?id=A184_5023D6F2)

Double
08-09-2012, 01:14 PM
I ordered another 750lb sac and 370lb tube sac that should be in next week. I'm gonna get this boat weighted right.

TheWoons
08-09-2012, 01:36 PM
The wake looks good it's just not very tall/steep

Limpkin
08-09-2012, 01:43 PM
The wake looks good it's just not very tall/steep


It actually is a little taller than it appears, and this was in about 10-14 feet deep in this area of the river, at 22 feet or more it gets bigger, and more force.

Double
08-13-2012, 10:59 AM
my wake this weekend, 750 sac in port locker, 750 in port side locker, 750 sitting on x30 reversible seat. No people in ballast seat

Limpkin
08-13-2012, 11:04 AM
Double, That looks good how was the force of it?

Jason.H.
08-13-2012, 11:26 AM
holy cow that looks like the ocean!!

Double
08-13-2012, 11:46 AM
nope, just one in rear port locker, one in port coffin, and one sitting on rear facing back seat

Specter
08-28-2012, 03:23 PM
Hey Limpkin - not sure if you're still in the market but here's a video of my surf wave. 900lbs in the port locker with factory KGB and port ballasts full.

http://youtu.be/39gcmfyIPHo

jcbatt
08-28-2012, 03:29 PM
Just to add here a bit... running the stock balast (only filled on surf side in rear), plus 750 sac on the surf side seat, plus 3 relatively light people, I was blown away by how good my X-30 surf wake was last week. I was able to ride much further back then I ever could on my X-15. YMMV

Limpkin
09-01-2012, 11:07 AM
2013 Mastercraft X-30 Our New Family Member

Limpkin
09-01-2012, 11:10 AM
So after all the great feedback and a demo myself I decided on the X-30. I almost have it broke in after the first friday afternoon. I have zero regrets so far! This boat is quite simply amazing! I had to start using a smaller surf board the board I was using had so much push all I was doing was keeping myself from running into the boat.

Pictures above are just a couple I snapped and one a friend snapped while Paul at Redline Watersports was giving me the lowdown on the new boat. I will get more and better pictures later on.

Thanks everyone for the input!

jaysus
09-04-2012, 05:51 PM
Congrats on your new MC! Way to be!!

Double
09-04-2012, 06:57 PM
Beautiful boat, and congrats Limpkin. I know you'll enjoy it!!!

FoggyNogginz
05-30-2013, 03:55 PM
Hey all,
Below is a picture of my wake BEFORE I fully tweaked it. It is a bit better than shown. I will try to get an updated pic soon.

http://eazypics.net/image.php?id=A7F8_5019F922&gif
Thanks in advance!

That photo looks pretty darn good to me, yet a lot of people on here keep slamming the X15 for lack of a good surf wave. Can you tell us how your boat is set up for that wave please? Many thanks in advance.

Limpkin
05-30-2013, 04:09 PM
The X-15 makes a fantastic wave, even my X-30 that is supposed to be the best in the MC line-up is only slightly better )longer and more power).

The wave on the X-15 is decent with just a 750 in the locked but if you want to get it prime you can do like I did.

750 in locker
V bag under front seats.
750 or 500 along floor or seat on surf side.
Small bag between front seats.

To be honest the V bag and the 750 are good enough for me on most days.

I have had a lot of people in my (old) boat who are regular surfers and who have been on some of the "best" surf boats. That being said 3 people have went out and bought X-15 after surfing behind mine.

I still love my X-30 but the X-15 surfs just great.


That photo looks pretty darn good to me, yet a lot of people on here keep slamming the X15 for lack of a good surf wave. Can you tell us how your boat is set up for that wave please? Many thanks in advance.

FoggyNogginz
05-30-2013, 04:41 PM
Thanks again! You may have just sealed the deal on an X15 for me.

Limpkin
05-30-2013, 04:45 PM
If you cant get it tweaked in I can walk you through it in more detail.
My Dad my DDS and my Dr all own X-15, they all surf and they all love it! They do have a hard time admitting my X-30 wave is a bit better but honestly its not much when properly setting both up.

tommydbouy
05-30-2013, 05:38 PM
The X-15 makes a fantastic wave, even my X-30 that is supposed to be the best in the MC line-up is only slightly better )longer and more power).

The wave on the X-15 is decent with just a 750 in the locked but if you want to get it prime you can do like I did.

750 in locker
V bag under front seats.
750 or 500 along floor or seat on surf side.
Small bag between front seats.

To be honest the V bag and the 750 are good enough for me on most days.

I have had a lot of people in my (old) boat who are regular surfers and who have been on some of the "best" surf boats. That being said 3 people have went out and bought X-15 after surfing behind mine.

I still love my X-30 but the X-15 surfs just great.

What swim platform did you have? Did it cut into the water?

Limpkin
05-30-2013, 05:44 PM
It was a standard fiberglass swim plat. I did not have issues with it. It may have slightly had an effect on things but I doubt it would matter to someone who is not pro level.

Ripple
05-30-2013, 08:29 PM
Awesome thread. Learned a lot.

Looking at a used x15 and x30. Does a 2007 x30 have the same amount of stock ballast as a 2009 or 2010 x15?

AZX45OD
05-31-2013, 01:01 AM
I believe the ballast would be the same. I used to own a 2007 X30 and loved it. It has a very similar hull shape to the X15, just a bit longer.

tommydbouy
05-31-2013, 09:17 AM
Awesome thread. Learned a lot.

Looking at a used x15 and x30. Does a 2007 x30 have the same amount of stock ballast as a 2009 or 2010 x15?

I'm not sure about the x30 but the x15 went to bigger ballast in 2009.

06-08 is 650# total
09-12 is 890# total

Ripple
05-31-2013, 04:22 PM
I'm not sure about the x30 but the x15 went to bigger ballast in 2009.

06-08 is 650# total
09-12 is 890# total

Thanks tommy.

I am beginning to have concerns about the X15 for surfing. No question the X15 is solid for WB'ing, but surfing seems to be hit or miss.

Very confused :confused:

Limpkin
05-31-2013, 04:52 PM
The X30 from 2006 is a way different x30 than the 2012 plus. I don't know if it is a very good surfing boat. MC redid it in 2012.

The X-15 (2007 plus anyways) are not hit or miss, I have been able to set up every single one I have been in to be a surfing monster.

Ripple
05-31-2013, 06:22 PM
The X30 from 2006 is a way different x30 than the 2012 plus. I don't know if it is a very good surfing boat. MC redid it in 2012.

The X-15 (2007 plus anyways) are not hit or miss, I have been able to set up every single one I have been in to be a surfing monster.

Good to know on the X30. X15 07 plus - were you able to set monster surfing with stock equipment?

Limpkin
05-31-2013, 07:15 PM
NO I had to put bags in. To be honest no MC will have a monster surf wave with stock equipment.

Ripple
06-01-2013, 06:44 PM
What kind of bags and where did you put them? I'd prefer to have them hidden if possible.

AZX45OD
06-02-2013, 03:35 PM
Having owned both a 2007 X30 and now a 2013 X30 I can attest to the fact that they are both excellent boats but with very different wakes for boarding and surfing. Yes, the 2012+ X30 is better "out of the box" for surfing, but we had plenty of fun behind our 2007 X30. The 2007 X30 had 950 # of stock ballast. The hull shape from that era is the same as the X-15, just a bit longer boat which is nice for storage, seating, etc. Applying the ballast info provided on this thread for the x-15 would also create an excellent surfing wake behind an '06-'10 X30.