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RickDV
08-29-2005, 12:41 PM
Didn't want to hijack the "#2" thread.

My 19 year old son needs to replace his car. He's got about $2,000 for a replacement. He wants 4 doors, 6 cylinders, and reliable. Any suggestions?

Workin' 4 Toys
08-29-2005, 05:19 PM
Didn't want to hijack the "#2" thread.

My 19 year old son needs to replace his car. He's got about $2,000 for a replacement. He wants 4 doors, 6 cylinders, and reliable. Any suggestions?
For the reliable part, I would do what you can to step it up to at least $3000. I personally have been shopping for said vehicle. Although I may skip the 6cyl part, just trying to get it pay itself off in a year. So $4000.00 is my budgeted amount. Started a 2K, then 3K. 4K is where I am finding what we are talking about. The candidates become much more frequent. But I would defi. stick with individual sellers and stay away from the car lots. I'd send you my spreadsheet but I don't want you to steal my prize winner from under me;) PM me if you really want to know what I have found.

BigBarney
08-29-2005, 05:33 PM
There are alot of choices out there. I would got some sort of car finder, like Kelly Blue Book, and put in my specs (price, type of car, etc.). Find a few models, then start shopping.

Leroy
08-29-2005, 05:42 PM
We went through similar search for our son year ago and from my past experience with reliability we were only looking at Honda's (Accords and Preludes), Toyota Camry's, BMW 3 series, and Lexus ES300's. (note in 5-6k you can get decent BMW 3xx series). Same as Working For Toys said, search on line, try to stay with individuals, ebay has good deals if you are near large city. We started at $2k and think you will be in 4 cylinder or beat up 6 cylinder car based on what we saw. Agree also at 3k many more options, 4-5k you can get something really nice. We ended up with 95 ES300, V6 6 disc changer, leather, 115k miles, great shape for $5k. I want him to use through college.

Primarily used: http://www.cars.com/go/index.jsp?aff=starnews

Good luck with the search!

Workin' 4 Toys
08-29-2005, 10:04 PM
1993 Toyota Tercel 76000miles $2495
1995 Mazda Protégé 87000miles $2995
1993 Honda Civic SI hatch 97000miles $3200
1998 Nissan Sentra 99000miles $3500
You get the idea. The older models are in the range, with the higher mileage new models. Just 4 examples I picked out of my spreadsheet with hundreds listed. These are of course individual "asking;) " prices.

RickDV
08-29-2005, 10:22 PM
We saw a 1992 Honda Accord (automatic trans.) with 167,000 miles. Asking price was $2,500 (pretty close to Kelly Blue Book value.)

Anyone have experience with this vintage Honda and an automatic tranmission? Someone told me that older Honda's with auto. trans. had problems, but that may have been late 80s.

Has anyone heard or experienced that?

Leroy
08-29-2005, 10:50 PM
I had Honda's from 83 to 96 for combined total of 350k miles, but both were sticks (and both trouble free). Friends with automatic transmission never had a problem I am aware of. Not a bad deal, but you can get into lower 100k miles for $2500. Depends on how long you want to look. :rolleyes:
Do a google search on the transmission.

Description — $2,495, Black 4-door FWD Sedan, 116364 miles, 4 SPD AUTO, 4 Cylinders. Stock# 1703. Features: Bucket Seating, Cruise ...GET MORE DETAILS (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&paId=131919713&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=42&leadExists=true&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_18_%7CB-3000%7CD-_212_%7CN-N%7CR-250%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-46032&aff=starnews)
Description — $2,150, 90 ACCORD EX, 125K, 4-door, auto, $2150, 859-887-4448 GET MORE DETAILS (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&paId=179284952&pageNumber=1&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=51&leadExists=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_18_%7CB-3000%7CD-_212_%7CN-N%7CR-250%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-46032&aff=starnews)

1991 Honda Accord EX

Description — $1,995, Maroon 4-door FWD Sedan, 146344 miles, 5 SPD MANUAL, 4 Cylinders. Stock# C863.GET MORE DETAILS (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&paId=131978033&pageNumber=1&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=55&leadExists=true&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_18_%7CB-3000%7CD-_212_%7CN-N%7CR-250%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-46032&aff=starnews)

kipper88
08-30-2005, 10:02 AM
I have a friend who is selling his 1999 Grand Am Gt -2 door. It has the V6, leather, moon roof and other really nice options. I think (and don't quote me on this) he has 110,000 miles on it but he used the car to go back and forth to school so it is all highway miles. He takes very good care of his stuff. If you want i can see how much he is asking, but i know it is over 5000.00.

tones03
08-30-2005, 10:52 AM
anything with the 3800 engine in it. Reliable and great on gas. Easy to work on also if something does go wrong. Buicks seem to have the least amount of rattles, dont know if your son wants to buy a buick though.

RickDV
08-30-2005, 11:00 AM
Right now he has his eye on a 1999 Buick Century. 148k miles. 3300 engine. Body, interior and engine seem to be in pristine condition. Asking $3000 (well below KBB value). It was a salesman's car. Appears to be well kept.

tones03
08-30-2005, 11:20 AM
I had a cutlass with the 3300 and had over 205000 miles on it before it was stolen in FLint. ***??

Ben
08-30-2005, 11:53 AM
We saw a 1992 Honda Accord (automatic trans.) with 167,000 miles. Asking price was $2,500 (pretty close to Kelly Blue Book value.)

Anyone have experience with this vintage Honda and an automatic tranmission? Someone told me that older Honda's with auto. trans. had problems, but that may have been late 80s.

Has anyone heard or experienced that?

--

I'm on Honda # 3 now, and gonna keep going.

Honda 1 - '86 accord EX 4dr auto, bought w/115K, sold @ 165k. No problems, even though it had been flooded & had salvage title.

Honda 2 - '88 accord EX-4dr auto, bought w/120K, sold @ 189k, replaced struts & brakes. Sold for $200 less than I paid after 2 yrs.

Honda 3 - '90 accord EX 4dr auto, bought w/130k, currently @ 198k, EGR port plugged ($300 @ dealer), new alternator, new radiator last month, new halfshafts, brakes, timing belt. Getting ready for 2nd set of tires.

All of the auto trans have been fine, except the '90 seems to take a while to warm up and shift into high gear when it is below 15-20 deg outside, maybe 5 miles. I did change the fluid once on the current one.

Other than that, I put gas in the cars, change the oil & drive. Keeps miles off the truck. I figure between the better mileage and reduced wear & tear on the truck, it pays for itself. Knocking on wood, I've had good luck.

My 2 recommendations, look for one with just over 110k miles or so, that way someone else has paid for the timing belt swap (recommended interval is around 90-100k). Also, get the EX so you get the sunroof.....

MNSKier
08-30-2005, 01:38 PM
For 2000.00 or less, any Buick LeSaber. They are amazingly reliable and cheap. My Father has 2 right now with over 250,000 miles on them and my wife has 275,000 on her's. They are great practical cars :) :)

AirJunky
08-30-2005, 01:50 PM
We saw a 1992 Honda Accord (automatic trans.) with 167,000 miles. Asking price was $2,500 (pretty close to Kelly Blue Book value.)

Anyone have experience with this vintage Honda and an automatic tranmission? Someone told me that older Honda's with auto. trans. had problems, but that may have been late 80s.

Has anyone heard or experienced that?
Great car. But I found insurance was high because they get stolen all the time. Insurance for a Toyota or a Saturn was like $250 for 6 months & a Honda was over $400 thru Safeco.

rodltg2
08-30-2005, 01:51 PM
any car at $3000 will pretty much be a loser cruiser but i think hondas at least can be fixed up enough to look some what cool. those things seem to run for ever and hold there value. i think a cheap bmw will be a nightmare. i recenlty saw a 1997 740il for only 12000. those things were probably 50-60 new. the maintenece on a high mile bmw will kill you/

Workin' 4 Toys
09-12-2005, 11:04 PM
anything with the 3800 engine in it. Reliable and great on gas. Easy to work on also if something does go wrong. Buicks seem to have the least amount of rattles, dont know if your son wants to buy a buick though.
I'll back that up. We had a 91 Bonneville loaded it with more sh*t than most would do with a 1/2 ton truck on a regular basis, had 150K on it when sold and sold it for $2000 less than we paid for it with 60K 2 years later. And it ran like a top when sold. I still don't know why we got rid of it. Other than the springs were shot from all the cargo. What a workhorse it was. Never one single issue.

Thrall
09-13-2005, 04:24 PM
Ditto on the GM v6's. Evidently he's looking for reliable transpo only, not an eye catcher. Any of the Buick Century, LeSabre, Olds 88 or 98 or Cutlass, Pontiac grand Prix or Bonneville. My sis has had 2 Cutlass Supremes, late 80s early 90's. Good cars. Ran alot of miles and she doesn't take care of them very well.
Try to find one w/ the least amount of power options, as in an older car they nickle and dime you to death for switches, solenoids, motors for all that power crap.
My sis just found a 95 Olss 88, 80k, true "grandma drove it to church" car for $3500.
For $2k I don't think there's much available that won't have impending major repairs.

Leroy
09-13-2005, 04:33 PM
Glad to hear some happy GM owners with lots of miles!

RickDV
09-13-2005, 04:44 PM
So here's the upshot of what happened finally:
The 'rents (i.e. parents...i.e. me and the Mrs.) found a 1985 Pontiac Sunbird with less than 67,000 actual miles and no rust. Engine is good. Small problem with right rear suspension and the headliner is falling off. Reliable source: mother of a friend. Cost: $200.

Son finds a 1999 Buick Century with 148,000 miles in excellent condition. Cost: $3,000.

Son buys Buick Century. Dad buys Pontiac Sunbird for himself (hey, it gets 36mpg!)

I guess in the end we are all happy.

Workin' 4 Toys
09-14-2005, 12:02 PM
here is what you never see until after its too late. A guy at work bought a honda something or other, I don't recall. Bought it with about 50K on it. with 70K on it had the oil changed for the FIRST TIME and traded it in. Traded it in on a chevy compact brand new, and did his FIRST oil change at 17,000 miles, and I am not sure if it is gone yet or not.
A woman that used to work with us had a nissan, drove 60 miles round trip everyday, she was there three years and drove the same vehicle. One day i had asked her about her mileage and followed with questions about her maintenace. She said, "what maintenance". Never had anything done. 3 years, without one single thing done or every opening the hood.

Needless to say, you never know what is going to happen to anything used. He did not experience any issues from his lack of maintenance, but whoever gets those are going to be a in for some repairs sooner than they expect.
With these peoples' experiences, I wonder sometimes why I waste oil every 3000....