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itch2ski
05-29-2012, 02:01 PM
I need help. I am a slalom junkie with a family and a budget. I am looking for a used ski boat, preferably open bow to accomodate the family. Hopefully nobody whips me, but I have been mainly looking at Malibus. I really like this forum and I know MC makes great boats as well so I thought I should get some opinions. I am trying to stay $15k or less. I am looking at Malibu Echelon LX's, Malibu Sunsetter LX's, and now Prostar 205's. Can some skiers out there tell me if they have skied any of these boats and how they compare. Also, from reading the FAQ thread it sounds like I'm better off with the 92-95 PS205 for a better slalom wake? Input please!

Kyle
05-29-2012, 02:13 PM
I need help. I am a slalom junkie with a family and a budget. I am looking for a used ski boat, preferably open bow to accomodate the family. Hopefully nobody whips me, but I have been mainly looking at Malibus. I really like this forum and I know MC makes great boats as well so I thought I should get some opinions. I am trying to stay $15k or less. I am looking at Malibu Echelon LX's, Malibu Sunsetter LX's, and now Prostar 205's. Can some skiers out there tell me if they have skied any of these boats and how they compare. Also, from reading the FAQ thread it sounds like I'm better off with the 92-95 PS205 for a better slalom wake? Input please!

The 92-95 205 will be by far the best boat for you. I am not here to bash Malibu but you will get a far greater boat and better quality with the MC of that year then the BU with what you are wanting to spend.

That being said, I would have no problem skiing a 98 and up LXI or 98 and up Ski "N" but you would have to spend more money to get into those years. Your price range is best suited for the 92-95. The early to mid 90's BU just does not have the craftsmanship that the MC has and the Ski "N" has a stiff wake until the 98 model.


I am in a ski club with over 50 members, and I have skied behind lots of boats. Take away the PRIDE of what you own and it comes down to the wake and how much you want to spend on the wake. The 205 will be a better built boat (NO WOOD) and have the best wake for you.

jomiddour
05-29-2012, 02:23 PM
I have a 93' ps205 that is an awesome boat. Slalom wake is soft and flat and the boat has held together very well. One of my best friends has a 97 sunsetter lx. It is a larger, more family friendly boat (wider and has more freeboard). His boat is noticeably quicker than mine (more power and fuel injected) however the wake is slightly taller and firmer than mine. That said it is still a fine boat and I would say the build quality is extremely similar.

bkblaida
05-29-2012, 02:29 PM
Agree with Kyle on all points.....also if you have not yet done so, please read the "frequently asked questions" section regarding the 205 model. There is a lot of great information in that thread.

I will add that we own a 97 PS 205 and I am the slalom junkie of the family. The wake behind our boat is a firm bump but nothing to shy away from. The benefits of the later 205's is the overall ability of the boat. It has a great entry to mid level wake for wakeboarding, add some corner weight and you can learn to wake surf and with glass like water we have barefooted. Overall it is a boat that can do it all very well but is not a "best in class" at any activity. Since we are not, nor will be challenging the best in any activity we will enjoy this boat for years to come.

ntidsl
05-29-2012, 02:40 PM
Love my 197 but stick with 05 and newer if you can find one at that cost. I wouldnt sell you mine at that price point so you may want to look at the 205s. I only see great reviews!!!

rhsprostar
05-29-2012, 02:41 PM
Hi
If you are looking at BU's for slalom don't go for anything but the response lx. My buddy has a 99 and its good.
That being said, I have owned two MC 205's and they were amazing. My fave was my 93, which didn't have fuel injection but still ran like a top. It had an awesome slalom wake and was super family friendly.
The 205 will have great resale value and great quality.
Do a search, there are tons of threads on that boat.
Good luck with the search and good luck slaying buoys this summer!

PA Prostar
05-29-2012, 03:05 PM
I will add that we own a 97 PS 205 and I am the slalom junkie of the family. The wake behind our boat is a firm bump but nothing to shy away from. The benefits of the later 205's is the overall ability of the boat. It has a great entry to mid level wake for wakeboarding, add some corner weight and you can learn to wake surf and with glass like water we have barefooted. Overall it is a boat that can do it all very well but is not a "best in class" at any activity. Since we are not, nor will be challenging the best in any activity we will enjoy this boat for years to come.

Please don't "miss" how profound this statement is. I have a 98 PS 190 - not a 205 I know, but it allows my family, friends and I to try anything. We too will never approach "best in class", but have been very happy to be able to do anything. Outside of maintenance, the boat hasn't cost me a dime in 5 years. These are the two reasons I bought a MC and it's served me well.

Ski-me
05-29-2012, 04:00 PM
Pretty much back what everyone has said already. 92-95 205. In 94, they introduced the fuel injection so that was my secondary criteria. I looked and looked for just the right 94-95 205 with the LT1 engine. Definitely worth it and an awesome ski wake!

Plus room for the whole family! I have 3 daughters and my wife and that fits great! We also bring others when necessary and it's nice the 205 can handle that load.

I did also look at Bu's and Nautiques but I wanted the best ski wake I could find. The 205 was ranked very highly. I did consider the Nautique SNOB but have heard that the ski wake was compromised slightly and not quite the ski wake as the MC. Additionally, if I wanted fuel injection, I need to get something like a 98' or so. Can't quite remember but it was recommended to get the TSC2 or TSC3 hull if possible......so that meant a newer boat (aka higher price).

94-95 205 was old enough to keep it under that $15k mark easily.

I didn't like the fit and finish of the BU's in that era so I eliminated that from the list pretty quickly.

gatorguy
05-29-2012, 10:42 PM
We have a PS205 '97. I have 5 kids and we all fit fine. It can be a chore climbing over the fat sacks when surfing or wakeboarding, but not really a big deal. I slalom 90% of the time, and when I go for an early morning run with just a couple of my kids I will pull the back seat, and I also keep the fuel at under 1/2 tank. Shedding a few lbs really makes a noticeable difference in the wake. I love my boat. I spent 15k and it came with a great stereo and tower, a trailer and cover, and a few kids wet suits and vests.

When I get the $$ I will redo the vinyl, carpet, and gelcoat. I've kicked around the idea of getting a new X7, but I think I'll hang on to this and put the $$ towards a used X35 for big water and family days when we just hang out on the water with no intent to ski.

mikeg205
05-29-2012, 10:45 PM
I have a 1995 205 and I love the tow and the wake or lack there of...:D

kbob
05-30-2012, 10:13 AM
I have a 1994 PS 205 i'll be selling soon. Where are you located?

Iskidaily
05-30-2012, 12:14 PM
+1 for the '92 - '95 205 for slalom junkies that have a family. Love that hull

Jeff Lyman
06-01-2012, 09:27 PM
Slalom junkie your on the right track. I have a 93, 205 carb with the HO option motor. Inexpensive boat thats great for the family or lots of junkie friends! Check out my reponse adding a wake plate to an already good boat in the refurbish\general section. Yes the older 205s can have a "best in class" wake!

Rip..m... up!

itch2ski
06-04-2012, 01:24 PM
I have a 1994 PS 205 i'll be selling soon. Where are you located?

Northern Utah. More info would be great!

This is all good info. I am actually going to look at a 92 205 tonight, anything I should keep my eye out for? Here is the ad:
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&cat=147&ad=20646502

FrankSchwab
06-04-2012, 02:59 PM
Just normal used-boat items:
1. Check the steering - if it's stiff, a new steering cable will set you back a couple hundred.
2. Prop - any bending or waviness to the tips means a rebuild or new prop is in order - figure a couple hundred.
2. Gel-coat condition. Expect a few dings and small scratches. If it's through to the fiberglass, you should get it fixed - figure a couple hundred.
3. Interior condition. Vinyl degrades, and it's a couple grand to get new vinyl (and possibly a couple more to install it). Great condition interior is worth a few bucks, poor condition a few in the opposite direction.
4. Engine - run it, and have a mechanic do compression, etc. Check the engine oil and transmission oil after you run it - any signs of milkiness will be expensive. Look for water leaks on the outside of the engine after running (or while running). Same rule - if you see anything, it could be expensive to fix.
5. Trailer. Hubs should look like they've been serviced (couple hundred dollars to fix if not), tires in good shape (couple hundred if not), lights working (possibly a Saturday and lots of curse words if not), title available, no obvious rusting, brakes working (couple hundred if not), etc.
6. Bilge pump, blower, horn, fire extinguisher etc. None are expensive, but all can be an hour or two and half a hundred to fix.
7. Toys. Any extras that come with the boat are extras you don't have to buy. You'll need a set of combos for teaching friends, extra ropes, vests, a throwable, a tube for the nieces and nephews, maybe a kneeboard, a wakeboard, an easy to ride slalom.


I'd go out and see it, and if you're serious get the owner to take you to the lake and run it. If you have any concerns after the lake run, ask here and we can give you some opinions (if there's one thing this forum has, it's lots of opinions).

For my money, I'd look for a '94 or newer with fuel injection. I've had too many friends with carbs who seem to always be doing something to keep them running well. There's nothing better than dropping the boat in the water for the first time each year and having it start within a second.

/frank

itch2ski
06-05-2012, 05:58 PM
Ok, so I went and looked at the 205 last night, overall a pretty decent boat. There were a few things I was bummed about, the rear seatback and the drivers seat had some splitting, the steering wheel was replaced along with the cable (not sure why) and no longer has the tilt feature, and the hull has wear on the belly most likely from being beached. The motor was rebuilt 100 hrs ago due to a cracked head and he said some high performance aluminum heads were used in the rebuild, not sure if this is good or bad. There are some things I would love to have in a boat, but not sure I can get them in my price range (EFI, Perfect Pass).

Taking all of this into account, what is a reasonable price for a 1992 carbed 205?
Thanks for the help!

Oh, what is the difference between the Velvet Drive trans and the Powerslot? It seems the Powerslot is more desireable, is the Velvet Drive inferior?

itch2ski
06-06-2012, 03:52 PM
bump for some input :)

Ski-me
06-06-2012, 04:11 PM
I think the velvet drive is the type of drive from borg-warner?!?

Powerslot is just a different gear ratio to launch the boat out of the water quicker. 1:1 ratio is standard and 1.5:1(about) would be the power slot. Quicker out of the hole but you do lose a little top end speed as well.

Edit:
"The transmission was the venerable Borg & Warner Velvet Drive. The PowerSlot (1:1.5 ratio) transmission was optional."

The attached Word document is also VERY valuable info for you.....

HRC
06-06-2012, 09:32 PM
I have a 1995 205 and I love the tow and the wake or lack there of...:D

My friend has a 95 just like this one. It's a great boat, done nothing but routine maintenance since brand new. His 13 & 11 year old boys do pretty good on wakeboards and he barefoots and slaloms behind it. I've skied behind it and really liked it.

escmanaze
08-20-2012, 07:37 PM
Well, shoot, I'm also in Northern Utah and on the market for an echelon LX or a 92-95 Prostar 205. I think I've ruled out the sunsetter. Did you ever find one? I hope you did so that I don't have to bid against you on the next one that comes up for sale :)

itch2ski
08-20-2012, 11:59 PM
Found this '92 PS205 here on Team Talk, lucky for me the guy lived in Sandy so I didn't even have to travel far. We are loving it! Good luck in your search!