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jakethebt
05-20-2012, 12:22 PM
I am looking at putting a folding tongue on a 1996 205 trailer. It does not look like there is enough room for a bolt on one as there is on single place long enough to accommodate it. I think that I am going to have to install a weld on one, but that is even going to be close. It looks like it will be right up against the winch brace.

I would rather not replace the entire tongue with a new unit, but that is an option too. Just more $$

Has anyone does this and if so, do you have some pics?

CantRepeat
05-20-2012, 12:37 PM
Sodar did a trailer refurb and added the swing away trailer tongue on it.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=23084

Lumbergh
05-20-2012, 01:20 PM
I had a swing tongue installed last year.

http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Coupler/Fulton/FHDPW230300.html

About $120 from a local welder to cut and weld it in. Very pleased with results.

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr66/Lumbergh556/hitchhinge.jpg

PS190 trailer, but you get the idea. The bolt on product did not look trustworthy to me.

jakethebt
05-20-2012, 05:51 PM
Thanks... pic looks great!

jakethebt
05-22-2012, 07:22 PM
After looking at this, I am still uncertian. I only have an inch or two between what looks like my master cylinder and the support brace for the winch. I am not sure that this is enough to weld on both the outside and inside of the hinge?

sp00ky
05-22-2012, 10:08 PM
After looking at this, I am still uncertian. I only have an inch or two between what looks like my master cylinder and the support brace for the winch. I am not sure that this is enough to weld on both the outside and inside of the hinge?

Wouldn't it make it longer after installing this piece so room for it would be moot? I have the same trailer and have this on my list of projects

jakethebt
05-22-2012, 10:29 PM
My concern is that it looks like the weld on fulton, you cut the frame, slide the new hinge over both ends of the trailer tube and then weld it on. The kit, and the installation showen above looks like there is two welds per half. On on each end. If I cut it in the middle, I will only have 3/4" of frame to slide into the hinge to weld on to. That does not seem like enough?

sp00ky
05-22-2012, 10:31 PM
My concern is that it looks like the weld on fulton, you cut the frame, slide the new hinge over both ends of the trailer tube and then weld it on. The kit, and the installation showen above looks like there is two welds per half. On on each end. If I cut it in the middle, I will only have 3/4" of frame to slide into the hinge to weld on to. That does not seem like enough?

I see your point and I don't have the answer but I'm curious, maybe someone will come along and enlighten us.

mikeg205
05-22-2012, 10:52 PM
You could always make the tongue longer... talk to a welder... they really know their stuff. The welded section is actually part of the actuator so you can probably have the whole part replaced.

bailey78
05-22-2012, 11:05 PM
Do you have to extend the brake lines and emergency brake wire??or just re-route?

pram
05-23-2012, 12:50 AM
what about this?

https://caltrailerworks.com/online/product.php?productid=16156&cat=156&page=1

I think that will fit your bill

Stritt
05-23-2012, 09:49 AM
I did this a few months ago, ordered the part Pram posted. It will work on a 205 trailer, I had concerns but the cut it and installed without any issues.

Make sure you order a brake line extension you will need it, I think mine was 24".

The trailer length when extended will be longer, this was good for us because if the vehicle was turned slightly we could not open the tailgate fully without hitting the boat.

The UFP kit is simple to install, I paid around $200 for installation and maybe $200 for kit and brake line shipping.

Double D
05-23-2012, 10:04 AM
Can you add an extension to the longer part, like this one I bought off a guy from PN?? Its made by Ramlin and all I have to do is weld two plates, on the top and bottom, on my existing 3" x 4" tube.
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jakethebt
05-23-2012, 06:12 PM
Thanks for the help. It looks like Stritt and Pram have the answer. The only question that I have is the part that is to be welded looks like a casting? Usually welding to a casthing is a bad idea? Maybe it is not a casting?

jakethebt
05-23-2012, 07:30 PM
what about this?

https://caltrailerworks.com/online/product.php?productid=16156&cat=156&page=1

I think that will fit your bill

It looks like this is 4" square tube. My frame is 3" x 4". Will this work?

pram
05-24-2012, 12:32 AM
I believe that it is for a 3x4 tubing. If you look at the weld-on plate it isn't square (at least to my eyes lol) also if you look at the 5" version you can see that it is rectangular even more

Give them a call to confirm, but I believe that would work for you.

SkiDog
05-24-2012, 08:47 AM
I did this a few months ago, ordered the part Pram posted. It will work on a 205 trailer, I had concerns but the cut it and installed without any issues.

Make sure you order a brake line extension you will need it, I think mine was 24".

The trailer length when extended will be longer, this was good for us because if the vehicle was turned slightly we could not open the tailgate fully without hitting the boat.

The UFP kit is simple to install, I paid around $200 for installation and maybe $200 for kit and brake line shipping.

Thats a tape measure for dummies!:D

Stritt
05-24-2012, 10:37 AM
Perfect for my skills :). My trailer is 3 x 4 too, it works and made for the UFp actuator. Good luck.

jakethebt
05-24-2012, 11:26 PM
So does my '96 have a ufp actuator? So basically I weld on this kit and then replace with all my existing parts plus the flex line and extension?

Table Rocker
05-24-2012, 11:49 PM
Thanks for the help. It looks like Stritt and Pram have the answer. The only question that I have is the part that is to be welded looks like a casting? Usually welding to a casthing is a bad idea? Maybe it is not a casting?It would be forged steel instead of cast iron. Cast iron would be a bad idea any way you looked at it.

jakethebt
05-25-2012, 07:40 AM
It would be forged steel instead of cast iron. Cast iron would be a bad idea any way you looked at it.

That is what I was thinking too...

Stritt
05-25-2012, 10:02 AM
If your actuator looks like my picture then it's a UFP, you will use all of the current parts.

Order of project:

Remove actuator
Remove cables
Cut off existing housing
Weld new plate for housing
Bolt on the extension
Extend break line
Install existing actuator
Bleed brake lines
Extend wiring
Replace cables
Paint housing

I may have forgot something but that should point you in the right direction.

jab
05-25-2012, 10:58 AM
I looked inside to see how far the frame actually went forward, cut it off and ground off the welds, it gave me about an extra inch and a half, you may be able to get a little more room to work with doing this.

mikeg205
05-25-2012, 11:30 AM
Can't wait to do this...dang team talk... oh yeah there's a thread for that... :)

jakethebt
05-28-2012, 11:03 PM
Thanks for the help. What kit or extension did you order? Do you just use a new section of hose for the flex point?

Ski-me
10-05-2012, 11:01 AM
I did this a few months ago, ordered the part Pram posted. It will work on a 205 trailer, I had concerns but the cut it and installed without any issues.

Make sure you order a brake line extension you will need it, I think mine was 24".

The trailer length when extended will be longer, this was good for us because if the vehicle was turned slightly we could not open the tailgate fully without hitting the boat.

The UFP kit is simple to install, I paid around $200 for installation and maybe $200 for kit and brake line shipping.

This looks nice, job well done!

I did contact California Trailer Works and they did indicate that the swing tongue kit you bought could be shortened to any length I wanted. So, rather than having it 25" long, I could have them make a 18" or 20" long one instead. They also said it would be the same cost....just let them know what I wanted.

https://caltrailerworks.com/online/product.php?productid=16156&cat=156&page=1


Sounds pretty good and looks to be very similar to the current MC trailers coming out of the factory today. :cool:

Double D
10-05-2012, 11:11 AM
Here is mine after I had it installed. Finally, I can open my tailgate. :rolleyes: Last one shows the updated coupler and cables.

thatsmrmastercraft
10-05-2012, 11:15 AM
Here is mine after I had it installed. Finally, I can open my tailgate. :rolleyes: Last one shows the updated coupler and cables.

Nice work.

justinglow
03-17-2014, 11:43 PM
Has anyone else tried to modify their trailer with the UFP swing tongue?

https://caltrailerworks.com/online/product.php?productid=16156&cat=0&page=1

Ski-me
03-18-2014, 10:58 AM
Has anyone else tried to modify their trailer with the UFP swing tongue?

https://caltrailerworks.com/online/product.php?productid=16156&cat=0&page=1

It's in this thread somewhere. Works great!

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=51829

Skyskiguy
03-18-2014, 11:55 AM
[QUOTE=justinglow;1024017]Has anyone else tried to modify their trailer with the UFP swing tongue?


Did mine last year. Turned out great
http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?p=922833#post922833
Got the DuPont paint code from MC and it painted up as an exact match.