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prostar205
05-20-2012, 10:43 AM
I finally decided to solve a long term problem I've had with the plastic breaking out that holds the throttle panel to the boat. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has this issue. Over time, the plastic just gives way and breaks making the panel fall out. I've seen people put larger flat washers to "fix" the problem but thoese just didn't look right to me. So, I took some measurements, had a buddy mock it up on ProEngineer in 3D and sent the file to our shop where another buddy made a model of my new gromment using a 3D printer. Our new 3D printer is great for prototyping small parts very fast. Once the dimensions were all dialed in, I had my buddy make 3 parts out of aluminum on the screw machine (large lathe).

Let me know what you think.

BrooksfamX2
05-20-2012, 11:12 AM
Nice work!

Kell
05-20-2012, 11:21 AM
Very nice work.


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jafo9
05-20-2012, 02:05 PM
very nice. don't suppose you have an extra set ready to sell? maybe with the outer surface machined to match the dash? i ended up layering the back of the OEM surface with JB Weld to try to fix the sagging on mine.

JDC
05-20-2012, 10:33 PM
Nice!
I need some of those to fix mine.

prostar205
05-20-2012, 11:27 PM
I have the plastic model that I used for the fit check and could probably dig up the dimensions that these where made to if anyone wants to make some. I talked to my buddy who made these and he said to make them quickly, one would have to program a CNC screw machine that autofeeds round bar stock.

Lars
05-21-2012, 12:44 AM
I want some too!
how much?

JohnnyB
05-21-2012, 05:42 AM
Interested in buying if you make more....

How much $ ?

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dmayer84
05-21-2012, 12:37 PM
I will buy a set if available.

JDC
05-21-2012, 08:57 PM
prostar205,
If you decide to make any more, you have 5 sets sold already. :)

I'm hoping.

Brian B
05-21-2012, 09:04 PM
Very nice!

prostar205
05-22-2012, 12:02 AM
prostar205,
If you decide to make any more, you have 5 sets sold already. :)

I'm hoping.

Unfortunately all 3 of these were hand made but they woudl be really easy to make on a screw machine. My buddy only has a lathe (not a screw machine). I'd be happy to send the prototype to someone who has access to a screw machine.

Someone could probably make some decent money turning them out by the hundreds and it would be easy.

My only concern is if they would fit other year boats. I assume MC did not change the hole dimensions from year to year.

Thoughts??

02ProstarSammyD
05-22-2012, 08:27 AM
Not to jack the thread and believe me I think these things look awesome and wish I had a set but a decent ss finish washer does the trick too and looks great. Just for those dealing with the problem

Lars
05-23-2012, 06:28 PM
got a pic?

dmayer84
05-23-2012, 09:05 PM
My father thinks he has access to a screw machine, would you be able to send the program?


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JBrew
06-28-2012, 10:04 AM
My father thinks he has access to a screw machine, would you be able to send the program?


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Any update? Are you going to be making any? I am willing to purchase some.

dmayer84
06-28-2012, 12:12 PM
Trying to see if I can get the program to get them made.

psychobilly
06-28-2012, 01:25 PM
Dude those 3D printers are bad a$$! Kind of weird that it printed the plastic grommet. I saw a kid in Australia that made a home made 3D printer and took a look at some of the plastic models he printed. Pretty kewl indeed.

O2BESOHUGE
06-29-2012, 02:54 PM
Very Nice Clean Work! Looks Oem!

jafo9
07-17-2012, 09:53 AM
if there is any progress with getting some made, i need some too. my jb weld fix just failed and my arm rest is sagging again. thanks.

O2BESOHUGE
07-17-2012, 10:18 AM
Looks Factory! Great Job!

JBrew
07-17-2012, 10:23 AM
bummer man... we couldn't wait either. We went to Lowes and got some tee nuts without prongs or brad holes. Drilled out the hole to fit the diameter of the the tee nuts, slid the end in and placed nylon washer in the back for support. Used the factory bolts and boom looks brand new and is very sturdy. Cost a total of 15 bucks. Very happy with how it turned out

dmayer84
07-26-2012, 12:09 PM
Ok so my father can't get them made at work and my neighbor is unable to as well. Just spoke with a machine shop, should be getting a quote back from them soon.

jafo9
07-26-2012, 12:46 PM
thanks for your work on this.

dilbert_skiing
09-05-2012, 12:30 PM
Well down South ....

I laugh at myself but this worked out really well - I shaved down the cracked portion of the original panel and created a new back plate with .. the screw top from two liter coke bottles. They required a touch of trimming to fit well. I used Gorilla Glue to laminate them to the back shell.

The only trick is to control the glue so you do not end up with a mess on the visual side. These caps are the perfect toughness for the application and the finished product is factory in its appearance.

ncsone
01-25-2013, 02:49 PM
For those that said that they were interested in buying a set of these, I am working on getting some of these made up. I have a rough prototype made for measurement purposes and have sent off for a cost, but I have not heard anything back yet. If you are interested in a set, let me know how many, etc. and I will see if I can get a better price ordering them all at once. Also, let me know if you are interested in bare aluminum, clear coated or anodized black. I am looking at all of these options as well.

Cloaked
01-25-2013, 04:37 PM
For those that said that they were interested in buying a set of these, I am working on getting some of these made up. I have a rough prototype made for measurement purposes and have sent off for a cost, but I have not heard anything back yet. If you are interested in a set, let me know how many, etc. and I will see if I can get a better price ordering them all at once. Also, let me know if you are interested in bare aluminum, clear coated or anodized black. I am looking at all of these options as well.Interested in a set or two. Any finish works for me, black anodized seems to be the norm for most dash and panel screws on boats that I work with.

jafo9
01-25-2013, 06:04 PM
count me in for a set. i'm not too particular about the finish, although aluminum would probably match better in my boat.

JDC
01-25-2013, 07:59 PM
ncsone,
That's great news! I'm in for a set of three. My panel is black so black would work for me. Aluminum or clear coated would work too and would probably match up nicely with SS screws.
I'd guess the silver color would go better with white or tan panels better than black. Just my opinion.

Hope it works out. Thanks.

ncsone
01-25-2013, 08:13 PM
Ok. I submitted it to the machine shop today for estimating. I will probably hear back early next week. I am afraid the CAD drawing fee may be the biggest expense of it all, but will see. Stay tuned.

JohnnyB
01-25-2013, 08:21 PM
Interested in two depending on cost

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ncsone
01-26-2013, 02:18 PM
Bump for the weekend readers.

ncsone
02-01-2013, 04:08 PM
Ok guys - it looks like I can get these made for about $12.00 each if I order 50 of them. If you are still interested, let me know and I will start working out details. PM me or email me at ncs197(at)gmail(dot)com. I am out of town all weekend, so I probably won't be updating this again until Monday.

Sodar
02-01-2013, 04:49 PM
I'll take a set. Let me know when to send payment when you get back.

JDC
02-01-2013, 05:22 PM
I'm in. PM sent too.

aswile
02-01-2013, 09:55 PM
I'm in for 2 sets- Pm'd also.

ncsone
02-04-2013, 02:38 PM
OK. Guys check your PM inbox for details. If anyone else is interested in these, let me know. I have a few extra sets available.

-NCS

Cloaked
02-04-2013, 04:35 PM
OK. Guys check your PM inbox for details. If anyone else is interested in these, let me know. I have a few extra sets available.

-NCSPM to you.

ncsone
02-07-2013, 04:51 PM
OK. I just ordered 50 of these earlier this week. If you have not been in touch with me and are interested in some of these, I have a few sets that are not spoken for yet. PM me for details.

-NCS

bzettler83
02-22-2013, 07:51 PM
PM SENT! These are a must have!

ncsone
03-14-2013, 10:06 AM
OK all - I just received shipment confirmation from the machine shop, so I should have these in tomorrow. If you are interested, I still have some available for sale. PM me or email me at ncs197(at)gmail(dot)com.

Thx.

JRW160
03-14-2013, 10:16 AM
Email sent. I just noticed one of mine had ripped out on Sunday. Good timing.

ncsone
03-15-2013, 11:27 AM
Just got these in. I am going to check measurements and test fit this weekend, and then will ship out to those who have ordered theirs on Monday.

prostar205
03-15-2013, 04:06 PM
Those look good. Glad someone was able to make them for you. I can verify dimensions for you if you want.

JDC
03-15-2013, 05:51 PM
Those look good. Glad someone was able to make them for you. I can verify dimensions for you if you want.I sent ncsone the Pro-E grommet files you sent me. He made some adjustments based on field measurements of his panel and mine and went from there. They should be a bit shallower than the ones you made.

Pretty happy to see this come to fruition. Thanks to you for starting this, and thanks to ncsone for picking up the ball. It's been a lot of work on his part, and I very much appreciate it. 91173

ncsone
03-15-2013, 05:56 PM
Yes, glad to get this done. One of the bolts on my panel pulled out two years ago and I have been putting this off. Once another one blew out, I knew I had to do something. Was glad to see them all arrive this AM.

-Neill

I sent ncsone the Pro-E grommet files you sent me. He made some adjustments based on field measurements of his panel and mine and went from there. They should be a bit shallower than the ones you made.

Pretty happy to see this come to fruition. Thanks to you for starting this, and thanks to ncsone for picking up the ball. It's been a lot of work on his part, and I very much appreciate it. 91173

JDC
03-15-2013, 06:17 PM
Now, with my black panel, I just need to decide if I want to leave them silver, or paint them black. I think automotive trim black (not flat and not gloss) would match the panel pretty well.

Maybe I'll test out some scrap aluminum to check for color match and scratch resistance. :)

thatsmrmastercraft
03-15-2013, 06:25 PM
Now, with my black panel, I just need to decide if I want to leave them silver, or paint them black. I think automotive trim black (not flat and not gloss) would match the panel pretty well.

Maybe I'll test out some scrap aluminum to check for color match and scratch resistance. :)

Perhaps get them anodized?

JDC
03-15-2013, 07:17 PM
Perhaps get them anodized?Great idea! Not sure where to go for that though, or if someone would take on this small of a job.
Guess I'll start looking.

thatsmrmastercraft
03-15-2013, 07:40 PM
Great idea! Not sure where to go for that though, or if someone would take on this small of a job.
Guess I'll start looking.

Powder coating could be another option.

macattack
03-15-2013, 08:12 PM
Just got these in. I am going to check measurements and test fit this weekend, and then will ship out to those who have ordered theirs on Monday.

Hey Neill, let me know how they fit "our" boat; if great, save me a few...tks, mac

ncsone
03-15-2013, 08:43 PM
If it were me, I would powdercoat them, but it is going to cost you. As I understand it, they typically charge by the paint job, not the size of the part.

If you paint them, make sure to get a good primer down first, and maybe put a clear coat over them after to help protect the finish. You might want to scuff them up a bit to make sure that the primer adheres well also.

-NCS



Powder coating could be another option.

ncsone
03-15-2013, 08:44 PM
Hey Neill, let me know how they fit "our" boat; if great, save me a few...tks, mac

Will let you know how it looks no later than Monday. Will hold 3 for you until then - the spares are going fast!

ncsone
03-17-2013, 02:18 PM
Here are the final parts fitted up - they look great.

JohnnyB
03-17-2013, 02:37 PM
Any tricks to getting the old ones out and the new ones back in?

I remember trying to tighten mine and it is a serious pain to reach the nuts on the back

ncsone
03-17-2013, 02:41 PM
Yeah, it is a pain to get to the nut on the back. I used a long handled ratchet with a 7/16' deep socket or a long handled boxed end wrench to get to it.

If it helps anyone, mine took a Torx T27 bit for the front side. I have not finished my install just yet - it may be a two person job to get to the middle bolt. I will probably remove the driver seat, have one person reaching behind the panel holding the socket on the back and one person tightening the front.

Sodar
03-18-2013, 10:54 AM
Your's has nuts on the back? Mine is just screwed straight to the fiberglass (another issue I was going to correct when I installed these grommets).

ncsone
03-18-2013, 11:07 AM
Your's has nuts on the back? Mine is just screwed straight to the fiberglass (another issue I was going to correct when I installed these grommets).

Cam - mine has 1/4" x 1.5" Torx head bolts with 1" backing washers and Nylok nuts behind the fiberglass. I may go to a shorter bolt as the 1.5" is really way too long, I could probably get by with 1/4" x 3/4" bolts, but just have not had time to go find them in stainless steel.

Picture attached.

Sodar
03-18-2013, 11:25 AM
I'll send you a set, if you want. It looks like we will need to give them a little polish, but that's easy enough.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-Steel-Torx-Pan-Head-Machine-Screw-1-4-20-x-3-4-Qty-25-/400383612024?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d38b91478

VP46
03-18-2013, 11:28 AM
Are these grommets for sale? I could really use a set!! (apologies I tried to read throguh the thread quickly but have to run to work!)

Brent

ncsone
03-18-2013, 11:48 AM
I'll send you a set, if you want. It looks like we will need to give them a little polish, but that's easy enough.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-Steel-Torx-Pan-Head-Machine-Screw-1-4-20-x-3-4-Qty-25-/400383612024?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d38b91478

Thanks Cam, but let me measure for sure in the next weekend or two. I can always get them at West Marine or McMaster-Carr, just have not really focused on it yet.

-NCS

ncsone
03-18-2013, 11:48 AM
Are these grommets for sale? I could really use a set!! (apologies I tried to read throguh the thread quickly but have to run to work!)

Brent

Brent - PM inbound to you.

prostar205
03-18-2013, 03:57 PM
Here are the final parts fitted up - they look great.

Those look really good. Glad they are working for everyone as mine did. I'm now designing new tower pads for the 2005 and 2006 towers using a 70 durometer, 3/16" thick polyurethane sheet material. I shouldn't have to replace those damn neoprene factory gaskets again.

Sodar
03-18-2013, 03:59 PM
Thanks Cam, but let me measure for sure in the next weekend or two. I can always get them at West Marine or McMaster-Carr, just have not really focused on it yet.

-NCS

West Marine and Mc-Master do not stock the Torx screws. But I personally don't really see a need for the Torx. I think I will just wait for the grommets to get here and go get a Phillips head machine screw that fits. Maybe I will even go for an allen head, if I feel like making it real fancy, since everything else in the boat uses the allen head.

Sodar
03-18-2013, 04:05 PM
West Marine and Mc-Master do not stock the Torx screws. But I personally don't really see a need for the Torx. I think I will just wait for the grommets to get here and go get a Phillips head machine screw that fits. Maybe I will even go for an allen head, if I feel like making it real fancy, since everything else in the boat uses the allen head.

Tom or Neil,

Can you tell me if this screw would work? Pretty much the only consideration is the head size....

ncsone
03-18-2013, 04:14 PM
Tom or Neil,

Can you tell me if this screw would work? Pretty much the only consideration is the head size....

Cam -

That should fit. The ID of the grommet where the bolt sits is 0.60".

The through-hole for the bolt is 0.275" so a 1/4" bolt should fit without issue.

-Neill

JDC
03-18-2013, 04:19 PM
Tom or Neil,

Can you tell me if this screw would work? Pretty much the only consideration is the head size....I'll need screws too since the PO just installed sheet metal screws into the fiberglass with a big washer (sitting cok-eyed also).
Let us know what you find or come up with if they're not in bulk packs... afterall we only need 3.

Neill, you can easily cut yours down if you need to. Hacksaw to cut to length and a bench grinder to smooth the cut edge to a nice bevel. If you get new ones, send me yours. :D

Sodar
03-18-2013, 04:27 PM
I just ordered a pack of these. If anyone wants them, I'll sell them for $1 each shipped to your door.

http://mastercraft.com/teamtalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=91376&stc=1&d=1363637129

AussieMC
03-18-2013, 05:15 PM
When I fixed mine a few years ago (with a black rubber grommet), I removed the panel, epoxied into the fibreglass a stainless steel "T" nut. This solved installation issues.

prostar205
03-18-2013, 11:33 PM
Tom or Neil,

Can you tell me if this screw would work? Pretty much the only consideration is the head size....

Cameron - I don't have the CAD file or drawing with me. I would say the length is correct. I'd go with nscone's assessment. Gold this fixed the problem. I love mine.

bzettler83
03-25-2013, 01:06 PM
I just installed the custom washers this weekend and they look amazing. I tried to attach a picture, lets see if this works.

This is my 2003 X-30.... You can see the previous fix left a few marks on the panel, but I am hoping those will go away over time. The panel is certainly more stable, and looks great. These are a must have!


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/65699612@N03/8589062549/" title="BoatPic by bzettler83, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8236/8589062549_62b9379f7e.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="BoatPic"></a>

JRW160
03-25-2013, 01:34 PM
I got mine in, but haven't had the chance to install them. I found button cap allen head screws in stock locally at fastenal.

ncsone
03-25-2013, 01:50 PM
I just installed the custom washers this weekend and they look amazing. I tried to attach a picture, lets see if this works.

This is my 2003 X-30.... You can see the previous fix left a few marks on the panel, but I am hoping those will go away over time. The panel is certainly more stable, and looks great. These are a must have!


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/65699612@N03/8589062549/" title="BoatPic by bzettler83, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8236/8589062549_62b9379f7e.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="BoatPic"></a>

Brian -

Glad to see they worked out for you! Looks perfect.

If you want, you can take a little metal polish (I used wheel polish on mine) and rub them down and they will really brighten up.

-NCS

prostar205
03-25-2013, 01:51 PM
I just installed the custom washers this weekend and they look amazing. I tried to attach a picture, lets see if this works.

This is my 2003 X-30.... You can see the previous fix left a few marks on the panel, but I am hoping those will go away over time. The panel is certainly more stable, and looks great. These are a must have!


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/65699612@N03/8589062549/" title="BoatPic by bzettler83, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8236/8589062549_62b9379f7e.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="BoatPic"></a>

Those look good and very familar.

Sodar
03-25-2013, 02:05 PM
Looks Good!

I got mine last week, too. Thanks Neil!

I got the allen head screws, but the 3/4" seems awfully short. I'll have to bring the boat home before I am able to them and see if I need to go to 1" instead.

aswile
03-25-2013, 09:27 PM
I recieved mine the other day and they look great, thanks very much!

Andy

ncsone
03-25-2013, 10:31 PM
I recieved mine the other day and they look great, thanks very much!

Andy

Good! Glad it worked out for everyone.

-NCS

ncsone
03-29-2013, 08:24 AM
I still have 3-4 sets of these left if anyone is interested, PM me or email me at ncs197(at)gmail(dot)com.

HartlandX1
03-29-2013, 12:13 PM
Two Thumbs Up, these look great! Thanks!!!!

JRW160
03-31-2013, 09:28 PM
Got mine installed today. Really happy with them. I had to take a dremel to the forward most mount to get the grommet in there. It took me 2 or 3 hours to get those thru bolts out then back in. I had to enlist the help of my 13 year old daughter to get the middle bolt. I plan on posting a little write up on how to remove the 205v/x-2/x-1 throttle panel tomorrow when I get some time.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HKKH5pEf_3E/UVjhNyibKuI/AAAAAAABTsU/SBvJbo2zyds/s640/20130331_180252.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i0HXiXZM5Zw/UVjhN_06bqI/AAAAAAABTsU/lwzEweKZpQ0/s640/20130331_180259.jpg

ncsone
03-31-2013, 09:53 PM
Got mine installed today. Really happy with them. I had to take a dremel to the forward most mount to get the grommet in there. It took me 2 or 3 hours to get those thru bolts out then back in. I had to enlist the help of my 13 year old daughter to get the middle bolt. I plan on posting a little write up on how to remove the 205v/x-2/x-1 throttle panel tomorrow when I get some time.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HKKH5pEf_3E/UVjhNyibKuI/AAAAAAABTsU/SBvJbo2zyds/s640/20130331_180252.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i0HXiXZM5Zw/UVjhN_06bqI/AAAAAAABTsU/lwzEweKZpQ0/s640/20130331_180259.jpg

Glad it worked out for you!

ncsone
04-08-2013, 10:13 AM
Finally got these installed on my boat. After spending the time to have them built, I think I am the last to get them installed. They look great and are a great fix.

prostar205
04-08-2013, 10:32 AM
Those do looks really good especially on against the black material.

JDC
04-08-2013, 03:43 PM
Finally got these installed on my boat. After spending the time to have them built, I think I am the last to get them installed. They look great and are a great fix.No, you're not the last. ;)
I did polish mine to a high gloss shine. I thought about spraying clear over them but figured that would ruin the shine. I decided to use a micro-crystalline wax polish I have to seal the surface. No photos yet. Maybe I'll get to it this next weekend.

I noticed you had to cut off one edge of your rear grommet. Looks like mine will be the same.

ncsone
04-08-2013, 09:47 PM
No, you're not the last. ;)
I did polish mine to a high gloss shine. I thought about spraying clear over them but figured that would ruin the shine. I decided to use a micro-crystalline wax polish I have to seal the surface. No photos yet. Maybe I'll get to it this next weekend.

I noticed you had to cut off one edge of your rear grommet. Looks like mine will be the same.

Yes, the back of the armrest has a lot of different curvatures to it. There was no way mine was going to fit w/o some modification. I took a hacksaw to mine and cleaned up the edges and cut surface with a file.

I used some metal polish on mine and it really brightened up the front faces on the flanges.

Glad to hear this worked out so well for everyone and saved us all from buying new panels at $200-300 a pop.

At this point, I have one set of flanges/grommets left. First to pay gets them. I MAY do more in the future, but I want to have a pretty healthy 'interested' list built before issuing the order.

ncsone
04-11-2013, 02:09 PM
Thanks to everyone's support the initial production of these flanges/grommets have been SOLD OUT! However, I am looking into making a second batch of these in the future. How quickly I have these made will be determined by the interest level. If you are interested in some of these from the second run, please send an email address to ncs197(at)gmail(dot)com.

Thanks to the group effort on getting this first run produced - it worked out for the good for everyone to install these rather than have to spend ~$250 for a new panel.

JRW160
04-11-2013, 02:23 PM
Thanks to everyone's support the initial production of these flanges/grommets have been SOLD OUT! However, I am looking into making a second batch of these in the future. How quickly I have these made will be determined by the interest level. If you are interested in some of these from the second run, please send an email address to ncs197(at)gmail(dot)com.

Thanks to the group effort on getting this first run produced - it worked out for the good for everyone to install these rather than have to spend ~$250 for a new panel.
I'm really glad I got in on this. The timing worked out great for me. Thanks again.

JDC
04-14-2013, 07:21 PM
I finally got mine installed today!
I too had to enlist some help from my 11 year old daughter to get to the front and middle bolts. A quick lesson in how to get a washer and a nut started on a bolt using two fingers when you can't see what you're doing, and she got 'em both on the first try. :)

So, I'll wear you out with photos. 3 before pics and 3 after.

This 1st photo shows the previous owner's fix of a sheet metal screw drilled into fresh fiberglass and a washer. :rolleyes:
93173

The middle screw had broken through and wasn't holding anything.
93174

93175


All shined up. :) This is one of the two I had to cut down for clearance.
93176

93177

93178

A much more professional repair than the screw and a washer thing.
93179

This is a great repair prostar205 came up with and designed! Thanks to Neill for taking the ball and running with it so a few more of us could benefit from this great idea! :toast:

prostar205
04-14-2013, 11:18 PM
I finally got mine installed today!
I too had to enlist some help from my 11 year old daughter to get to the front and middle bolts. A quick lesson in how to get a washer and a nut started on a bolt using two fingers when you can't see what you're doing, and she got 'em both on the first try. :)

So, I'll wear you out with photos. 3 before pics and 3 after.

This 1st photo shows the previous owner's fix of a sheet metal screw drilled into fresh fiberglass and a washer. :rolleyes:
93173

The middle screw had broken through and wasn't holding anything.
93174

93175

All shined up. :) This is one of the two I had to cut down for clearance.
93176

93177

93178

A much more professional repair than the screw and a washer thing.
93179

This is a great repair prostar205 came up with and designed! Thanks to Neill for taking the ball and running with it so a few more of us could benefit from this great idea! :toast:


Those do look nice all shined up. Glad they're working out for everyone. Nice to know that my 4 year mechanical engineering degree was finally good for something useful.

Burdhntr
07-16-2013, 03:15 PM
Okay, so while I started this thread, I never bought in on it cuz I'm a worthless idiot. Did you ever do another run of them? Any still available?

MI_Corey
07-16-2013, 03:55 PM
Man I wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I could have done them for half that price. If you still have the dimensions and some people want a few let me know.

wtrjock
08-04-2013, 11:56 AM
If you make them...I would order 6.

CC2MC
08-15-2013, 09:55 PM
Man I wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I could have done them for half that price. If you still have the dimensions and some people want a few let me know.

I would take a set if you make them. Please let us know if that is still possible. Thanks.

michael79
08-21-2013, 11:23 PM
I will take one set and maybe two. Please let me know if they are still available.

ncsone
01-29-2014, 02:26 PM
OK everyone, I am dragging this thread up from the deeps. I may have a line on a local machine shop who can do these for me. If you are still interested in getting a set of these done, please PM me your contact info. I do not have a price yet or availability, but I have some time now to dedicate to this, so I want to get it moving forward again.

monsterwake
01-29-2014, 02:56 PM
I had a tire seperate on a long trip and before I know it happened, this happened to my boat. I have to use a firewall gromet and 1" washers. This looks so much better. I will PM you.

ncsone
01-29-2014, 08:52 PM
thx guys - will be back in touch soon.

-NCS

ncsone
01-30-2014, 11:37 AM
Question for those that installed these last year - did you use the spacers (washers) that I included or was the fit just right without them?

Let me know if you can, please.

JDC
01-30-2014, 09:47 PM
Question for those that installed these last year - did you use the spacers (washers) that I included or was the fit just right without them?

Let me know if you can, please.I did not use the spacers.

CrazyJohnny
01-31-2014, 12:47 AM
Finally this thread is back from the dead! I joined just because I saw this thread was back, I have been waiting on those washers for a long time! The armrest deal is a real pain!

michael79
02-14-2014, 07:30 PM
I want two sets. I sent you a PM last week. Please let me know if you can still get them or I will be forced to use an ugly long screw and washer.

MI_Corey
02-14-2014, 08:34 PM
Like I said, I can make these cheap and quick if you need me too. Probably between 6-8 dollars each. I just need a drawing or one to copy and I can knock some out no problem.

prostar205
02-14-2014, 08:40 PM
I designed and made the original versions of these grommets. If NCSONE can't get you some or get you the drawing, I still have it and would be happy to scan it and email it to you.

Let me know. Glad everyone is liking these parts. They do look and perform a lot better than a large washer and bolt.

MI_Corey
02-14-2014, 08:59 PM
pm sent

prostar205
02-17-2014, 12:30 AM
pm sent

Got it. Will send over the drawing Minday.

Cain0725
02-17-2014, 12:57 AM
i will take set, send me a pm nick

prostar205
02-17-2014, 11:47 AM
Drawing sent to Corey's email.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Tom

CC2MC
02-17-2014, 01:53 PM
MI_Corey, let us know when you have the drawing in hand, as I would like to order a set.

MI_Corey
02-17-2014, 06:26 PM
I have the drawing. I should be running some tomorrow.

MI_Corey
02-18-2014, 02:39 PM
Ran a batch today of around 25 pcs. PM me if you want some. $6 each and $3 shipping.

JDC
02-18-2014, 05:43 PM
Ran a batch today of around 25 pcs. PM me if you want some. $6 each and $3 shipping.Good things come to those who wait. Those look nice, and that was fast! :toast:

As a side note - NCS made a change to the depth from the original drawing on the ones he made. He measured his panel and decided the new custom grommet/washer would have bottomed out on the fiberglass without holding the panel tight.

He asked for the measurement on mine as well and decided a shallower depth would work better to ensure a good hold. Evidently not all models armrest panels are made to the same depth. ??

MI_Corey
02-18-2014, 05:46 PM
The depth on the drawing he gave me was .75 from the backside of the shoulder. If I need to make some shallower ones let me know.

rydog
02-18-2014, 09:03 PM
Anyone have any idea what depth is needed for a 2002 xstar, or has anyone used these for that boat? I want to get some and I am assuming these should be the correct size? Boats in storage so I can't check easily.

JRW160
02-19-2014, 10:55 AM
Anyone have any idea what depth is needed for a 2002 xstar, or has anyone used these for that boat? I want to get some and I am assuming these should be the correct size? Boats in storage so I can't check easily.
I used them on my 2003 x-2 which has the same panels. They fit perfectly. Have fun getting the nut on the back of that center screw. It took me several frustrating hours.

rydog
02-19-2014, 12:03 PM
I used them on my 2003 x-2 which has the same panels. They fit perfectly. Have fun getting the nut on the back of that center screw. It took me several frustrating hours.

I never looked at the panel closely this summer so I guess I have a lot of fun in store for me this spring when I replace the broken ones. Also how many did you need to replace yours, 3 or 4?

JRW160
02-19-2014, 12:17 PM
I never looked at the panel closely this summer so I guess I have a lot of fun in store for me this spring when I replace the broken ones. Also how many did you need to replace yours, 3 or 4?
Only 3. The two outside ones aren't that bad. To get the center one back on, I had the nut taped to the end of an open ended wrench which was held by a set of vise grips, which was held by a 5'7" 85lb 13 year old girl.

To get the panel off, there are the 3 screws at the top with nuts on the backside of the fiberglass. Then there is a single screw in the center near the bottom. There is a hidden one on the panel towards the rear of the boat about halfway up. You can't see it from the front of the panel, but there is a nut holding it on from the backside. I removed the throttle arm and ring, but I didn't have to take out the throttle assembly.

rydog
02-19-2014, 12:19 PM
Only 3. The two outside ones aren't that bad. To get the center one, I had the nut taped to the end of an open ended wrench which was held by a set of vise grips, which was held by a 5'7" 85lb 13 year old girl.

Perfect

MI_Corey
02-19-2014, 01:09 PM
If anyone wants these and they end up being too long I will make you shorter ones and send them out. I would just need to know how much shorter.

VP46
02-26-2014, 09:28 PM
If anyone wants these and they end up being too long I will make you shorter ones and send them out. I would just need to know how much shorter.
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I sent you a PM on this very subject - the grommets are fantastic but 2 of the 3 are too long/deep. I'll measure and post pics of what I am talking about shortly.

CrazyJohnny
02-27-2014, 12:44 AM
Pmed you Corey, I'll be in for these once VP46 gets the measurements dialed in!

VP46
02-27-2014, 02:11 AM
OK I can give you measurements so that the rear grommets fit in the panel unmodified but I chose to go a different route.

I dremmeled (spelling) the panel and fiberglass to accept the Grommet. The depth of the grommet fits well in this scenario. I added a larger washer and voila perfect fit.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I0sJ4x5vJ68/Uw7jWmC6XJI/AAAAAAAAJ_M/te9sekrFXbE/w565-h753-no/photo.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eRiUsz_Sjj8/Uw7jnqdS8RI/AAAAAAAAJ_U/J2PI8Uag7P0/w565-h753-no/image.jpeg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B41d5DvBUPw/Uw7kNMIFbLI/AAAAAAAAJ_k/suADSZsCb1c/w565-h753-no/image+%25281%2529.jpeg

Completed.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-EJQtiChUe1w/Uw7kBqPAe5I/AAAAAAAAJ_c/JiS67OzfmQ4/w1004-h753-no/image.jpeg

MI_Corey
02-27-2014, 07:27 AM
So if I start just making them all 8mm shorter will the bolt take up the difference on them or do you guys want the length the same and do what VP46 just outlined?

wtrjock
02-27-2014, 09:21 AM
I would prefer to resize the grommet vs. Cutting out the boat. I will look at it this weekend on my 2005 X10 and let you know.

Sent from my SM-N900P using Tapatalk

MI_Corey
02-27-2014, 09:53 AM
Being that I already sent yours just let me know how many of the shorter ones you need and I will get them sent out.

I would prefer to resize the grommet vs. Cutting out the boat. I will look at it this weekend on my 2005 X10 and let you know.

Sent from my SM-N900P using Tapatalk

MI_Corey
02-27-2014, 09:56 AM
^^ That goes for anyone who I've already sent to.

VP46
02-27-2014, 11:11 AM
I understand not wanting to cut out the boat but saying it out loud truly sounds harsher than it is. I probably should have re-phrased this. It's not cutting out.... it is basically enlarging the existing hole.

Note in my case it was the best option for few reasons:

1. two of the "built in" grommets in my panel were either gone or starting to break, only one panel hole was in perfect factory useable condition.
2. the PO had already enlarged the front hole and used the poor judgment of using a smaller diameter non factory bolt
3. the PO only had one of the original bolts in. The non factory bolt he had in was loose when I took ownership and it appears this may wore the existing hole into a funny shape.

It is my opinion and in my case the longer Machined Grommet not only is an aesthetically pleasing addition but VERY functional. Literally a better than new solution considering what a loose bolt can and will do to the fiberglass.

I am 110% satisfied with the longer grommet - This is a better solution to a problem that I was having that also provides a great look. More importantly I'm confident the next owner down the road will not have to deal with it!

PS this is ONE REALLY WELL BUILT boat. The quality of the glass back there and the thickness is impressive!

michael79
02-28-2014, 11:08 AM
MI_Corey, I need a set, a PM has been sent.

MI_Corey
02-28-2014, 01:06 PM
PM returned Michael. VP46... do you think an 8mm shorter version would have worked in all three positions on your boat? Just asking so others can make their decisions as to what they want. I will be running a batch of long and short this weekend.

VP46
02-28-2014, 07:56 PM
Yes - 8mm shorter in all three will ensure no modification necessary.

Cain0725
03-01-2014, 12:01 AM
i want a set of both sizes,, or batch how ever they come, 4-6 each i guess. PM on details, thanks, that way I'm safe either way

prostar205
03-01-2014, 09:44 AM
OK I can give you measurements so that the rear grommets fit in the panel unmodified but I chose to go a different route.

I dremmeled (spelling) the panel and fiberglass to accept the Grommet. The depth of the grommet fits well in this scenario. I added a larger washer and voila perfect fit.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I0sJ4x5vJ68/Uw7jWmC6XJI/AAAAAAAAJ_M/te9sekrFXbE/w565-h753-no/photo.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eRiUsz_Sjj8/Uw7jnqdS8RI/AAAAAAAAJ_U/J2PI8Uag7P0/w565-h753-no/image.jpeg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B41d5DvBUPw/Uw7kNMIFbLI/AAAAAAAAJ_k/suADSZsCb1c/w565-h753-no/image+%25281%2529.jpeg

Completed.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-EJQtiChUe1w/Uw7kBqPAe5I/AAAAAAAAJ_c/JiS67OzfmQ4/w1004-h753-no/image.jpeg


Those look really nice. I designed these grommets for my 2002 X-30 not knowing other owners would want a set or if theses throttle panels were different from boat to boat in these areas. I mocked up 2-3 different sets on my 3D printer (love that thing) prior to finalizing the design. I'm glad people like them and it solved a recurring problem for people.

MI_Corey
03-02-2014, 12:57 PM
Ran a batch of 36 more today. I'm waiting to hear back from a lot of people so get back with me if you want a set.

wtrjock
03-02-2014, 03:46 PM
The grommets fit great as is on my 2005 x10. You guys did a really good job. They should have come from the factory like this!

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MI_Corey
03-02-2014, 03:59 PM
Looks good. Is that the factory throttle knob? I like it.

VP46
03-02-2014, 04:33 PM
^ that looks awesome.

Off subject any reason they don't make kill switch keys in a material other than Plastic? Seems as if they are needlessly designed to break....

wtrjock
03-02-2014, 04:37 PM
Yes stock throttle handle. One of the options I liked about the 2004 to 2005 model transition. I opted to pay a little extra for the 2005 because of some good extras.

uplander
03-02-2014, 06:29 PM
Anodizing them would look nice

wtrjock
03-02-2014, 06:38 PM
I thought about that too. Black anodized and they would disappear into the panel. On my boat they look ok because of the aluminum insert

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Cain0725
03-02-2014, 06:41 PM
just paid for mine, let everyone look once i get in hand and installed.

TOO-TALL
03-02-2014, 08:02 PM
Pm sent.....I'll take three

CrazyJohnny
03-05-2014, 12:38 AM
I thought about that too. Black anodized and they would disappear into the panel. On my boat they look ok because of the aluminum insert

Sent from my Samsung Note 3 using Tapatalk Pro

Just ordered some for my X10; are you using the stock hardware? Any tips on the install?

wtrjock
03-05-2014, 01:32 AM
Use your stock hardware. The front is a torx and the back is a nylock 7/16". Remove the seat. I removed the small upholstery trim next to the Black panel to gain more access. 2 people would really help because the center nut is way on there. Don't pry up the bottom because you risk breaking the trim in the middle. Go in from the right side and reach to the middle.

Plan to scrap your arm with the fiberglass...it is just part of the job.

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wtrjock
03-07-2014, 09:45 PM
I tried to install my second set of spacers on my buddies 2003 x9. The front spacer works. The 2 rear ones are too long. Very similar to a previous picture I've seen. Could you cut me 2 that are are a couple millimeters shorter?

Also, the round doesn't work on these year panels. Can you cut the bottoms off and make it into a D shape?

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/08/y6a3yjat.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/08/a6uganep.jpg

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MI_Corey
03-08-2014, 08:48 AM
Can do that no problem wtrjock. PM sent.

MI_Corey
03-09-2014, 09:00 PM
Showed some to my local dealer this weekend and they took 24 so I will be running another batch soon.

CC2MC
03-13-2014, 09:49 AM
I received mine and installed them. They look much better, although I have some rust staining from the old washers and they don't get covered up. I guess I need to find something that will remove the stains. Either way, they look much better. Thanks!

CrazyJohnny
04-15-2014, 01:15 AM
Came out great! Thanks. FYI to anyone doing this, it is a two person job to get the front washer in, very tight space.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/CrazyJohnny125/IMG_0287_zps2db7cd4a.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CrazyJohnny125/media/IMG_0287_zps2db7cd4a.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/CrazyJohnny125/IMG_0281_zpsddf945b5.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CrazyJohnny125/media/IMG_0281_zpsddf945b5.jpg.html)

Fletchx7
04-29-2014, 08:45 PM
MI_Corey, I could use a set if you still have some. PM Sent

Thanks!

ORSkier
05-10-2014, 04:49 PM
MI_Corey,
I just sent you a PM as well. Would love to get my hands on a set of these grommets for my 2004 X7. Talk soon. Thanks!

MI_Corey
05-22-2014, 06:32 PM
So, a little update. I've had a few people run into an issue with some models that the position closest to the dash sits on an angle so these don't work in that spot. Now that I've got my boat, (which happens to have this issue), I'm working on coming up with a solution. It's going to be a pain to machine, but I believe this will work.

SpokaneSteve
05-23-2014, 01:12 AM
:headbang:

Thanks Corey!!

MI_Corey
05-23-2014, 08:52 AM
Running one on the 3d printer today to test and then will make from aluminum once I'm happy with it.

MI_Corey
05-24-2014, 02:31 PM
Printed prototype is done. Will check the fit tonight.

SpokaneSteve
06-03-2014, 01:58 PM
Any update Corey?

Did it fit?

prostar205
06-03-2014, 02:15 PM
Printed prototype is done. Will check the fit tonight.


3D printers are awesome. That is how I did my initial prototype of these grommets. Nicely done.

MI_Corey
06-03-2014, 03:13 PM
It did fit well. I had to order some small ball endmills with enough flute length to machine them. Those came in today so hopefully I can prove it out this weekend.

Thetripinme
06-03-2014, 11:47 PM
I read about the pain of the middle one so I used T-nuts, galvanized them and glued them in place. They look great.

freefall
06-04-2014, 01:52 AM
Do you have any pictures of how you did this with the t-nuts exactly? Would be very interested in seeing if available. Might just be a good idea for all three of the top ones.

Thetripinme
06-04-2014, 05:43 PM
I couldn't find any zink coated t nuts (to prevent rusting) so I put a few coats on them after I bent the prongs. I hot glued them to where I wanted them. I won't take me all day if I ever need to get back there again.

freefall
06-04-2014, 05:46 PM
OK sounds straight forward enough. I should be able to do that also to make it easier.

Thetripinme
06-04-2014, 05:47 PM
This is what I used

Thetripinme
06-04-2014, 05:50 PM
I pulled the screws to match the threads and bent the prongs in the parking lot in case I had to purchase a few more.

Nelsonjeff79
06-06-2014, 02:15 PM
Printed prototype is done. Will check the fit tonight.

These look great!!! PM sent, need a set for my 209!

MI_Corey
06-06-2014, 03:11 PM
These look great!!! PM sent, need a set for my 209!

Tried to return your pm but it won't let me so I used the email function in your profile so check your email. Thanks.

Nelsonjeff79
06-10-2014, 10:46 AM
Corey - Never got your paypal invoice. Were you able to send?

MI_Corey
06-10-2014, 10:58 AM
Corey - Never got your paypal invoice. Were you able to send?

I need your paypal address so I can send an invoice. I can't pm you on here and didn't get an email.

freefall
06-13-2014, 03:36 PM
OK I received my grommets from MI_Corey and here are the pictures of the finished product installed on my 06 X-9. What an easy fix with these grommets. Such a shame that Mastercraft did not come up with a fix like this and just go ahead and do it for all registered owners of affected models without even having to question it. It took me about an hour of my time and cost me $20 out of pocket. It is better now than when it was new. Don't know what anyone else found but I also found there is a bolt on the panel that is at rear center and goes through side wall and should have a but and washer on it to help support the panel but mine did not so that also contributed to the problem. Another simple 20 cent fix.

freefall
06-13-2014, 03:40 PM
Oh yeah and a great big THANK YOU to MI_Corey for coming up with this fix and taking the time to make it available to the rest of us. That is why I would and always have owned a Mastercraft..... The other people who I have met or just interacted with in one way or another since the first day I bought my first one in 1991 .......

MI_Corey
06-13-2014, 06:06 PM
That looks really good with your throttle panel.

TOO-TALL
06-13-2014, 07:59 PM
I'll buy one of the angle washers when finished

MI_Corey
06-13-2014, 08:20 PM
Hopefully I can get a machine open for those soon. It's programmed and ready but we have been busy.

RMLong24
06-18-2014, 12:14 AM
Hopefully I can get a machine open for those soon. It's programmed and ready but we have been busy.
MI_Corey, fellow Michigander here. How much do you charge for the grommets? I need some for my '02 209.

MI_Corey
06-18-2014, 05:43 PM
Pm sent

MI_Corey
06-21-2014, 05:35 PM
Op 1 done.

MI_Corey
06-21-2014, 05:40 PM
Op 1 done.

MI_Corey
06-22-2014, 01:11 PM
Got these made today finally. Still have to take it home and try it out for fit but they came out pretty nice.

wtrjock
06-22-2014, 03:11 PM
Looks great Corey! I think i need 1 for my friends x9. Shoot me a paypal invoice.

MI_Corey
06-22-2014, 03:23 PM
I've had a couple people who needed these but I no longer have their messages so if you're one of those people please pm me. I haven't figured out a price on these yet but if you already bought 3 of the regular grommets and the front one didn't work because you need the angle let me know and I'll hook you up. Otherwise these are going to cost a bit more because they literally have nearly an hour run time per piece.

MI_Corey
06-22-2014, 08:55 PM
Well it doesn't fit perfect but it's close. It leaves a very small gap on the top as you can see in the picture but not bad.

MI_Corey
06-22-2014, 08:56 PM
One more pic:

Tristarboarder
06-22-2014, 09:00 PM
Put a piece of wood, cover with a towel on top, and smack it with a hammer. that's what I did with the original design you sent me, and it went in pretty much flush. Then, only then, did you decide to offer a tapered design....:D

Not for the faint of heart, but it worked for me

RMLong24
06-25-2014, 09:11 AM
Thanks to MI_Corey...grommets look great and the transaction was quick and painless.

TOO-TALL
06-29-2014, 05:37 PM
Installed my angle washer from Mi_corey today.Fits great.
Thanks

MI_Corey
06-29-2014, 06:00 PM
Glad that worked out!

SpokaneSteve
07-19-2014, 01:08 PM
Here's mine before:

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Here a side view of the angled grommet:

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Here it is installed, it looks even better than the picture, it really fits perfect:

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Thank you very much Corey!!

Cheers, Steve.

MI_Corey
07-19-2014, 01:10 PM
You're welcome. Glad they are working out well.

x_star
07-24-2014, 02:08 PM
i need a set of these for a 2007 x-star. Get me paypal info and i will send payment or send and invoice thru pay pal to kcragun@cox.net

MI_Corey
07-24-2014, 02:45 PM
i need a set of these for a 2007 x-star. Get me paypal info and i will send payment or send and invoice thru pay pal to kcragun@cox.net

Invoice sent

x_star
07-24-2014, 04:45 PM
payment sent.

Pants44
08-18-2014, 04:04 PM
MI Corey...just PM'd you re: a set for my '04 prostar. Let me know if you got it or need info. cheers
J