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AirJunky
08-19-2005, 03:54 PM
I'm wondering how many of you are considering buying a cheaper car to drive to/from work. 15 mpg from my Dodge is taking $40 - $60 per week from my wallet. I'm thinkin that at today's gas prices, a $2000 car that gets 30 mpg would take me about a year to get ahead...... and less if gas keeps going up.
I'd consider buying a nicer economy car but I like driving my Dodge. If I wanted a car, I'd have bought one. :cool:
Anyway, just curious if others have broken down yet.

erkoehler
08-19-2005, 03:57 PM
I have thought about it, but probably wouldn't really move on it until $4 a gal.

RickDV
08-19-2005, 03:58 PM
I'm wondering how many of you are considering buying a cheaper car to drive to/from work. 15 mpg from my Dodge is taking $40 - $60 per week from my wallet. I'm thinkin that at today's gas prices, a $2000 car that gets 30 mpg would take me about a year to get ahead...... and less if gas keeps going up.
I'd consider buying a nicer economy car but I like driving my Dodge. If I wanted a car, I'd have bought one. :cool:
Anyway, just curious if others have broken down yet.

Get a motorcycle and keep the truck. :D

AirJunky
08-19-2005, 04:00 PM
Yea, I have an old Honda enduro that I poke around the small town I live in. But I work downtown & don't feel good about driving it in traffic. Especially now that one of my coworkers laid his bike down to avoid some biatch cutting him off on the freeway...... ground his shoulder down well into the bone.

pilot02
08-19-2005, 04:09 PM
We have an Xpress Bus (www.xpressga.com) service that I can catch from the Atlanta Motor Speedway (3miles from my door) to Downtown which costs me $80 per month to ride. I was spending that per week to drive and don't have to deal with the traffic aspect of it anymore.

Gas cost sure has me thinking about dragging the boat to Mag's shindig though. I figure the gas bill for me there and back just for the truck will be $190+

erkoehler
08-19-2005, 04:12 PM
I was actually at the Dodge dealer getting some service done to the Durango :mad: and while there I did glance at the used cars thinking man, I could really save some gas money!

X2M
08-19-2005, 04:13 PM
AirJunky - My husband bought a beat up older VW Fox to drive to work when he was working in San Francisco. He paid $600 for it. It looked like a rusted bucket, but it ran great and got good gas mileage too. The commute from here to the city is an hour without traffic. He drove it for a year or two when it was raining and he couldn't ride the bike into the city. We sold it when he changed offices for $800.

You might want to look into something like that. Registration was like $15 a year and insurance was next to nothing and it was paid off. VW's are pretty easy to fix yourself if you are handy with a wrench too.

I hope your friend gets better soon. I understand your being leary of riding in traffic. My husband got lane changed/side swiped on the Bay Bridge while on his bike. Very scary.

:)

Leroy
08-19-2005, 04:14 PM
Bicycle, and your skiing will improve also!

3event
08-19-2005, 04:15 PM
We have to replace the wife's explorer in the next 6mos because we need more room for the 4kids. For initial cost and fuel cost and depreciation concerns, looks like it will be a Toyota Sienna Minivan. Wanted a Suburban but I can borrow pop's truck when I need to , and the boat stays in the lake all summer anyway. The other car is a company vehicle so if we have a truck, the wife drives it.

I suppose you guys would probably kick my butt if I put a Mastercraft sticker in the window of a minivan......

I was really looking forward to having that big sub that fit everything and really hauled, but I hate to admit it just doesn't make much sense now!

east tx skier
08-19-2005, 04:20 PM
Hey, if TMC#1 can have a MC sticker in a Chevy Astro, you can put it in a minivan, too. :)

Danimal
08-19-2005, 04:22 PM
I've thought about getting something more economical but I really enjoy driving my Denali. It's funny. I don't mind putting $50.00 - $60.00 into my boat to fill her up but it kills me to put that into my truck :mad:

ski_king
08-19-2005, 04:23 PM
I kind of just went thru this myself.

I just bought a car for my 17 year old daughter. My orginal goal was to spend $2000. The only thing I could find in that range was early 90's economey cars with 150K miles. I then uped the ante to $3000 and started to find some better cars, but ended up spending close to $4K on a 99 escort ZX2 that gets about 35 mpg.
There are some deals out there for 2K or less, but I couldn't find them.
I have a hard time paying $3K for a car with 150K miles on it that could die tomorrow.

I just filled up my truck today, $60.00 :eek3: and my daughter won't lend me her car. :o

Danimal
08-19-2005, 04:26 PM
I just filled up my truck today, $60.00 :eek3: and my daughter won't lend me her car. :o

Funny how that works. My son is the same way. I finally bought him a dirt bike (so mine wouldn't get dumped anymore) and he tried to stop me from riding it. I giveth and I taketh away!

Workin' 4 Toys
08-19-2005, 04:28 PM
I'm wondering how many of you are considering buying a cheaper car to drive to/from work. 15 mpg from my Dodge is taking $40 - $60 per week from my wallet. I'm thinkin that at today's gas prices, a $2000 car that gets 30 mpg would take me about a year to get ahead...... and less if gas keeps going up.
I'd consider buying a nicer economy car but I like driving my Dodge. If I wanted a car, I'd have bought one. :cool:
Anyway, just curious if others have broken down yet.
You sound exactly as I did last night at dinner. Except I toss in about a hundo a week in fuel. I have done the math to the best of my ability. It should pay itself of in a year if i spent the same 2000.00 you mentioned, pending all goes well. There are some good eco cars and some bad ones. My buddy had a corrolla everyone told him would last forever, "it's a toyota" 60k on the ticker the timing chain blew, snapped the cam(or vice vs), threw a valve, and the head was more to redo than the car was worth. Never know what your gonna get, thats why I haven't made the move yet.
Looking into cavalier,focus,taurus, or something like that. Or even a 1/2 ton pickup ranger or s10. And use strickly for commuting.

bigmac
08-19-2005, 04:29 PM
I'm wondering how many of you are considering buying a cheaper car to drive to/from work. 15 mpg from my Dodge is taking $40 - $60 per week from my wallet. I'm thinkin that at today's gas prices, a $2000 car that gets 30 mpg would take me about a year to get ahead...... and less if gas keeps going up.
I'd consider buying a nicer economy car but I like driving my Dodge. If I wanted a car, I'd have bought one. :cool:
Anyway, just curious if others have broken down yet.I ride my motorcycle to work a lot, but as the weather gets colder and the gasoline gets more expensive, I'm thinking about a 350Z, which would just about double my fuel economy over my GMC Denali pickup.

ski_king
08-19-2005, 04:40 PM
I ride my motorcycle to work a lot, but as the weather gets colder and the gasoline gets more expensive, I'm thinking about a 350Z, which would just about double my fuel economy over my GMC Denali pickup.
Nice car, but how does it go in the snow? Also, just a little over my budget.

Workin' 4 Toys
08-19-2005, 04:50 PM
Car+Snow= NO-GO

BrianM
08-19-2005, 04:53 PM
Been thinking exactly the same thing for me. My wife and I both commute about 75 miles per day. Her car averages 27 mpg my truck averages 18mpg on the commute. Needless to say paying 75% more for gas than we did last year hurts the budget big time. Before I jump into the econo-box beater we are trying to do a few things to bring the gas bill down a bit.

So far here is what we have committed to commuting together in the car two times a week. We used to (couple of years ago) do it every day but jobs have changed and twice a week is the best we can do. I also am trying to work from home at least one day a week which doesn't always happen but does most weeks. So I have eliminated driving the truck about 225 miles a week. Divide that by 18 = 12.5 x $2.60 = $32.50 a week or $130 a month or $1690 a year. That is a pretty good start. If gas goes up more I am going to have to find a way to cut more.:mad:

87Craft
08-19-2005, 04:54 PM
saw these in europe several years ago and heard they are coming to the US now. Initially built for the narrow streets and parking in europe...they are as wide as they are long. they exceed the $2k mark, but they also exceed the mpg (faster payback). i've heard they can get up to 60mpg.

smart car (http://www.smart.com)

bigmac
08-19-2005, 04:57 PM
Nice car, but how does it go in the snow? Also, just a little over my budget.I'm not sure, but I owned several Z cars from 74 to 82 and drove them in all midwestern weather. Anyway, we have too many big trailers and stuff to haul to be able to avoid owning a pickup truck altogether, so it can stand by in the back garage waiting for something to pull or a big snowstorm.

Sounds pretty logical, doesn't it? Do you think my wife will buy it?


.

ski_king
08-19-2005, 05:06 PM
If I was in your shoes, my daily beater would be a Volvo S40 or S60 AWD. Nice car, good gas milage and AWD all wrapped into one.
(Can't pull the MasterCraft though)

But if you need that rational to talk the wife into the Z Car, go for it!

Danimal
08-19-2005, 05:09 PM
We up here in da Nort drive in da snow 7 months out of the year. We can drive anything in any weather. We get 6" of snow and we are still doing pretty close to the speed limit. Isn't that right bigmac?

mcprostar197
08-19-2005, 05:11 PM
I've thought about getting something more economical but I really enjoy driving my Denali. It's funny. I don't mind putting $50.00 - $60.00 into my boat to fill her up but it kills me to put that into my truck :mad:

I feel the same way. I drive my dad's Yukon XL everyday and anywhere I go. Most of the time I can get him in the car right when it needs to be filled up, but when I have to pay for that on occasion, god do I hate it. When I fill up the MC though, I dont even think about how much we are paing for gas. That could be though cuz I don't pay for the gas for the boat.

ski_king
08-19-2005, 05:14 PM
I feel the same way. I drive my dad's Yukon XL everyday and anywhere I go. Most of the time I can get him in the car right when it needs to be filled up, but when I have to pay for that on occasion, god do I hate it. When I fill up the MC though, I dont even think about how much we are paing for gas. That could be though cuz I don't pay for the gas for the boat.
Dang 16 year old kids.............
But I was one once and can relate

mcprostar197
08-19-2005, 05:16 PM
Dang 16 year old kids.............
But I was one once and can relate

I'm 17...... ;)

pilot02
08-19-2005, 05:21 PM
saw these in europe several years ago and heard they are coming to the US now. Initially built for the narrow streets and parking in europe...they are as wide as they are long. they exceed the $2k mark, but they also exceed the mpg (faster payback). i've heard they can get up to 60mpg.

smart car (http://www.smart.com)

I've seen a few in ATL. Some of the local Govt's are using them.

prostar205
08-19-2005, 05:23 PM
I drive a '93 4-door Camry to work and back (~50 miles). It gets decent mileage 25 mph and it is very reliable. The Expedition sits in the garage and collects dust. Its 6.5 years old and only has 50K miles on her. The way I look at it is: the less miles I put on the Expy, the less it will depreciate and the I will not have to replace it as fast as if I was driving it everyday. Also, with the amount of $$$ I have put into that thing in modifications, I would never get my $$$$ out of it.

mcprostar197
08-19-2005, 05:23 PM
I'm not sure, but I owned several Z cars from 74 to 82 and drove them in all midwestern weather. Anyway, we have too many big trailers and stuff to haul to be able to avoid owning a pickup truck altogether, so it can stand by in the back garage waiting for something to pull or a big snowstorm.

Sounds pretty logical, doesn't it? Do you think my wife will buy it?

My mom's BMW 330Ci does pretty well in the snow out here for being a rear wheel drive, and its fun to drive (the 350Z is faster though). Audis are good in the snow since they are AWD. They arent the cheapest, but you can find some really nice used ones. My dad bought a 2001 All-Road this year, and when I came back from school, I thought it was a brand new car. It was on the showroom floor with 50k miles, but it was in that good of condition. Both of those cars get pretty good gas milage, except you'll wanna put premium in them.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/mcprostar197/Picture.jpg

VTJC
08-19-2005, 05:37 PM
I have put over 60k on two VW TDI Jetta’s(99 & 00). Consistently get 45+mpg over my rugged commute and I am working installing a system to run on Waste Veggie Oil(WVO). Get a beater for towing and snow, and a nice safe efficient commuter. My .02! Jamie

ski_king
08-19-2005, 05:41 PM
I'm 17...... ;)
Stay away from my daughter!

AirJunky
08-19-2005, 05:41 PM
I have put over 60k on two VW TDI Jetta’s(99 & 00). Consistently get 45+mpg over my rugged commute and I am working installing a system to run on Waste Veggie Oil(WVO). Get a beater for towing and snow, and a nice safe efficient commuter. My .02! Jamie
I've read a little about this, Jamie. So are you processing your own fuel? What is the process like? And by the time you are burning it, how much did it cost you?

-edit- oooops, I just reread your post.... so do you have any idea how to process the fuel or what it will cost you? And what kind of mods will you have to do to the VW to make it burn the biodiesel?

ski_king
08-19-2005, 05:43 PM
I have put over 60k on two VW TDI Jetta’s(99 & 00). Consistently get 45+mpg over my rugged commute and I am working installing a system to run on Waste Veggie Oil(WVO). Get a beater for towing and snow, and a nice safe efficient commuter. My .02! Jamie
There is somebody around here doing that in a old VW diesel. Smells like McDonalds going down the road. Or Long John Silvers, depending whos old oil he got recently.

BrianM
08-19-2005, 05:48 PM
Nice car, but how does it go in the snow? Also, just a little over my budget.

Find yourself an old Subaru. They are all wheel drive, are extremely reliable and get great gas mileage especially considering the AWD.

My wifes car is a '05 Outback. I bought it for her because I love it. Extremly safe, 5 star crash rating all around with side impact and side curtain (she has already tried these out and the car is just now a year old:mad: ), and AWD. Drives like a dream, has all the bells and whistles, I think it looks great, and gets 27mpg on the commute.

End of Subaru commercial................

ski_king
08-19-2005, 05:58 PM
Forgot about those. I had 2 and put well over 100K on each one. I have a friend who is a Suburu mechanic and drives them well into the 200K range. He even uses one as a camp car a uses it at the ramp with his MasterCraft.

milkmania
08-19-2005, 06:11 PM
Find yourself an old Subaru. They are all wheel drive, are extremely reliable and get great gas mileage especially considering the AWD.

My wifes car is a '05 Outback. I bought it for her because I love it. Extremly safe, 5 star crash rating all around with side impact and side curtain (she has already tried these out and the car is just now a year old:mad: ), and AWD. Drives like a dream, has all the bells and whistles, I think it looks great, and gets 27mpg on the commute.

End of Subaru commercial................

I actually saw an OLD Subaru Brat yesterday....forgot all about those.

look on the bright side, automotive makers have come a long way since the Chevrolet Citation!!! That was from the last gas crunch we had:rolleyes:

http://auto.ngs.ru/reviews/foto/big/chevCita1981.jpg

redmike
08-19-2005, 06:49 PM
these prices really make me appreciate my FREE vanpool more and more!!!!!

rodltg2
08-19-2005, 06:50 PM
hers my economy car, my dodge hemi was killing me at 9-10 mi gal. i drive this as much as i can .

maristarman
08-19-2005, 06:56 PM
How about a vette?


Chev - ette that is.

43 MPG Highway

PondPwr
08-19-2005, 10:37 PM
I just traded in my 2002 Avalanche for a Saturn Ion3. My wife is getting great milage now...I got her old Grand Prix. Of course, I am begging, borrowing, and renting to get my X10 to the waters edge. I was hoping to hold out till the craft went into storage, but opportunity came knocking a little earlier than planned.

Workin' 4 Toys
08-19-2005, 11:30 PM
hers my economy car, my dodge hemi was killing me at 9-10 mi gal. i drive this as much as i can .
Nice, you must be a student at college!!! :)

Workin' 4 Toys
08-19-2005, 11:33 PM
We up here in da Nort drive in da snow 7 months out of the year. We can drive anything in any weather. We get 6" of snow and we are still doing pretty close to the speed limit. Isn't that right bigmac?
Yeah, but when the deers lurk around that corner.... BOOM!!!! I guess you are screwed no matter the vehicle. My friend has hit about 4 of them in the last 2 years. Finally put a huge brush guard on the Sub. And we see cars all over the road in ditches when we head up. You have to get used to it, they hardly plow and when they do they don't salt it. Good thing....

east tx skier
08-19-2005, 11:53 PM
Find yourself an old Subaru. They are all wheel drive, are extremely reliable and get great gas mileage especially considering the AWD.

My wifes car is a '05 Outback. I bought it for her because I love it. Extremly safe, 5 star crash rating all around with side impact and side curtain (she has already tried these out and the car is just now a year old:mad: ), and AWD. Drives like a dream, has all the bells and whistles, I think it looks great, and gets 27mpg on the commute.

End of Subaru commercial................

We rented an outback for a trip from NC to DC one summer. You're right. A blast to drive.

bigmac
08-20-2005, 12:06 AM
We up here in da Nort drive in da snow 7 months out of the year. We can drive anything in any weather. We get 6" of snow and we are still doing pretty close to the speed limit. Isn't that right bigmac?

You betcha...

The vehicle is generally pretty irrelevant, especially since road plowing tends to be pretty scrupulous. My driveway is always the biggest challenge to getting to work after a snowstorm.

bigmac
08-20-2005, 12:18 AM
Yeah, but when the deers lurk around that corner.... BOOM!!!! I guess you are screwed no matter the vehicle. My friend has hit about 4 of them in the last 2 years. Finally put a huge brush guard on the Sub. And we see cars all over the road in ditches when we head up. You have to get used to it, they hardly plow and when they do they don't salt it. Good thing....Some people are more screwed than others, though, in my experience. I've seen at least a few people killed when a deer comes through the windshield in smaller cars. Personally, I'd rather be in my truck should that event ever befall me. Brush guards don't help that much, although it IS a great place to mount a couple of 100-watt PIAA's and THAT is probably the most effective deer-impact prevention one can apply to a vehicle.

And it's true that the first snowstorm always increases the accident rate a little as people re-learn, but it's the big 4wd's with the sometimes-false sense of security they provide that tend to get people into the most trouble.

6ballsisall
08-20-2005, 12:22 AM
I can tell you living in Colorado for 20 years and spending many a winters in the mountains skiing the resorts of Colorado, easily 9 out of every 10 vehicles you saw in a winter collision or rollover were always 4wd vehicles. Its a false sense of security and someone forgot to tell them the brakes don't work any better on ice

parks_jr_55
08-20-2005, 12:28 AM
For those of you with Dodge Ram's, I'm sure you will be glad to hear that they are the WORST for Gas Mileage.

My brother had a 2002 Ram Sport but my dad traded it in and got him Tacoma that gets about 2X better gas mileage.

If you are looking for a good gas mileage car get something like a mid 90's Civic. From October-June I had a 02 Neon that got about 30-31 MPG and most of that was driving around the city to school and friends houses. But it is also one of the worst compact cars as far as saftey ratings go. I just got an 05 Mazda3 and get about 33-34 MPG and damn i like that car
Oh yeah, Powerslot...I'm 16 going on 17 and maybe your daughter and Mags daughter could get together with mcprostar197 and me. HA just kidding.

mcprostar197
08-20-2005, 12:29 AM
I can tell you living in Colorado for 20 years and spending many a winters in the mountains skiing the resorts of Colorado, easily 9 out of every 10 vehicles you saw in a winter collision or rollover were always 4wd vehicles. Its a false sense of security and someone forgot to tell them the brakes don't work any better on ice

The majority of vehicles in Colorado happen to been 4wd or AWD vehicles....

mcprostar197
08-20-2005, 12:31 AM
Oh yeah, Powerslot...I'm 16 going on 17 and maybe your daughter and Mags daughter could get together with mcprostar197 and I. HA just kidding.

haha. I hear that......maybe

parks_jr_55
08-20-2005, 12:32 AM
haha. I hear that......maybe

I think we will officially know after they are posted in the swimsuit thread.

mcprostar197
08-20-2005, 12:37 AM
I think we will officially know after they are posted in the swimsuit thread.

Most definitely. haha

6ballsisall
08-20-2005, 12:42 AM
The majority of vehicles in Colorado happen to been 4wd or AWD vehicles....


Very true, but the odds aren't stacked that well and there are statistics to back it up. Watch the roads, it's always the 4wd's haulin arse in the snow and ice. The false sense of security gets to many people. Brakes work no better on ice regardless of your drivetrain.

mcprostar197
08-20-2005, 12:46 AM
Very true, but the odds aren't stacked that well and there are statistics to back it up. Watch the roads, it's always the 4wd's haulin arse in the snow and ice. The false sense of security gets to many people. Brakes work no better on ice regardless of your drivetrain.

True, true. I'm probobly guilty of going faster in our Yukon XL than I should be when its snowing.

erkoehler
08-20-2005, 01:56 AM
Are those cars from www.smart.com available in the U.S.??? If so, anybody know where?

jpattigr
08-20-2005, 02:25 AM
I am sales rep on the road and do about 40000 miles a year. I have switched from a 04 F150 (Great Truck) to a 05 VW Passat TDI Diesel wagon. The VW is awesome 40 mpg and it's a decent size car that drives awesome. Living here in western Canada I know about winter and with 4 snow tires the VW is better then my 4wd F 150.

You can buy Smart cars here in Canada for the last couple of years the Mercedes dealers carry them, very small and I would be scared to get hit by anything including a motorcycle!!

erkoehler
08-20-2005, 02:30 AM
I will have to check to see how much they run in the states. I think it would be kind of a cool car to have just for the commute to work and daily driving. Bad weather, or trips I would take the truck.

mcprostar197
08-20-2005, 02:52 AM
I will have to check to see how much they run in the states. I think it would be kind of a cool car to have just for the commute to work and daily driving. Bad weather, or trips I would take the truck.

It could be a kinda funky/interesting car to have, but if you got into an accident with even just some sedan at low speeds, you would get destroyed. I don't even want to think about what would happen if a Smart car had an encounter with a Suburban or some big vehicle like that....

erkoehler
08-20-2005, 02:55 AM
It could be a kinda funky/interesting car to have, but if you got into an accident with even just some sedan at low speeds, you would get destroyed. I don't even want to think about what would happen if a Smart car had an encounter with a Suburban or some big vehicle like that....


MY MC would probably be up for sale, that is what would happen :eek:

Tom023
08-20-2005, 07:18 AM
Are those cars from www.smart.com available in the U.S.??? If so, anybody know where?

No, they are not available, had crash test and other issues. In fact, MB just finished disbanding the Smart team in the U.S. When MB initially developed the vehicle, it failed what they call the Moose test...an evasive manuver to avoid a Moose if it suddenly jumps out it front of you. Seems the vehicle had a tendency to roll over...but that would be more desireable than hitting a Moose in that thing. When I got in it, it seemed to be no more than a motorcycle with a shell.

jpattigr
08-21-2005, 02:41 AM
Here in Canada you can purchase either car.

The Golf TDI gets 66 mpg and has room for 4 people and some gear. It is fast, safe and comfy on the highway

The Smart car gets 72 mpg, room for two good friends and is the slowest car on the road today with it's 3 cyn Diesel.

Buy a Golf TDI, or even nicer the new Jetta TDI!! You can drive them every day no matter the weather and you stnd a chance in an accident.

ski_king
08-21-2005, 11:00 AM
MY MC would probably be up for sale, that is what would happen :eek:
Yes, an estate sale.

phecksel
08-21-2005, 11:41 AM
www.edmunds.com allows you to do 1:1 vehicle comparisons, including cost of ownership

6ballsisall
08-21-2005, 11:43 AM
I was doing the math on a commute car. Depending on what you drive now and the amount of miles, also considering what you would buy for your work vehicle all weigh into the actual cost savings. One thing to consider is insurance, taxes, and registration. For me, driving the Hemi Durango about 24k miles per year and then getting a work car instead while keeping the Durango the ROI is just not there.

Food for thought!

PendO
08-21-2005, 12:57 PM
Here in Canada you can purchase either car.

The Golf TDI gets 66 mpg and has room for 4 people and some gear. It is fast, safe and comfy on the highway

The Smart car gets 72 mpg, room for two good friends and is the slowest car on the road today with it's 3 cyn Diesel.

Buy a Golf TDI, or even nicer the new Jetta TDI!! You can drive them every day no matter the weather and you stnd a chance in an accident.

It is unfortunate that the big three don't offer a diesel sedan to rival these mpg ... my wife's 02 explorer gets worse mileage than my 3/4 ton Dodge Diesel ... if we were buying a new car I would definitely get a diesel VW

Tom023
08-21-2005, 01:22 PM
Over the next few years you should see a few more diesel applications. Many manufacturers had started light diesel work, but with the more strict emission standards for 2007, it didn't make sense to do a diesel program pre-2007 and then have to redo it for 2007. In order to get to the 2007 level, low sulpher fuels are required and those are just coming to market in the U.S.

Workin' 4 Toys
08-21-2005, 11:11 PM
I was doing the math on a commute car. Depending on what you drive now and the amount of miles, also considering what you would buy for your work vehicle all weigh into the actual cost savings. One thing to consider is insurance, taxes, and registration. For me, driving the Hemi Durango about 24k miles per year and then getting a work car instead while keeping the Durango the ROI is just not there.

Food for thought!
JR,
I have a spreadsheet I could do the math for you. Takes about 10 seconds. Send me your (gas saver price of car)(Possible mpg of current vehicle and gas saver)(Price per gallon of fuel you use)(how many miles a day you drive)
Plug those numbers in and I can tell you the approx. ROI.

Workin' 4 Toys
08-21-2005, 11:13 PM
Over the next few years you should see a few more diesel applications. Many manufacturers had started light diesel work, but with the more strict emission standards for 2007, it didn't make sense to do a diesel program pre-2007 and then have to redo it for 2007. In order to get to the 2007 level, low sulpher fuels are required and those are just coming to market in the U.S.
I wish they would put a Diesel in the Ford 500. It is kind of a cool car, and 4WD. If anyone hears of GM or Ford putting a diesel in something like that, be sure to let me know.

betsy&david Harrison
08-21-2005, 11:45 PM
Guys, deisel is now more expensive in Cal. than unleaded. It last a week longer in the Benz than gas does in the truck though. If I didn't have so much crap to carry and two kids to tote around, I'd be biking it to work.B

Leroy
08-21-2005, 11:56 PM
WFT's; Do you include tags, insurance, avg maintenance cost, and car depreciation?



JR,
I have a spreadsheet I could do the math for you. Takes about 10 seconds. Send me your (gas saver price of car)(Possible mpg of current vehicle and gas saver)(Price per gallon of fuel you use)(how many miles a day you drive)
Plug those numbers in and I can tell you the approx. ROI.

6ballsisall
08-22-2005, 12:16 AM
JR,
I have a spreadsheet I could do the math for you. Takes about 10 seconds. Send me your (gas saver price of car)(Possible mpg of current vehicle and gas saver)(Price per gallon of fuel you use)(how many miles a day you drive)
Plug those numbers in and I can tell you the approx. ROI.

Thanks, I did the same in Excel.

For me if I got me a gas saver based on my 24k miles per year, I kept my Durango, it would actually cost me an additional $3,353.48 per year based on a car that got 35mpg. I included taxes, insurance, etc... I figure my Durango costs me about $.60 per mile right now, thats everything including payments etc..... that was kind of a shocker!! Imagine throwing two quarters and a dime in a trash can everyone mile! :eek3:

erkoehler
08-22-2005, 12:57 AM
Thanks, I did the same in Excel.

For me if I got me a gas saver based on my 24k miles per year, I kept my Durango, it would actually cost me an additional $3,353.48 per year based on a car that got 35mpg. I included taxes, insurance, etc... I figure my Durango costs me about $.60 per mile right now, thats everything including payments etc..... that was kind of a shocker!! Imagine throwing two quarters and a dime in a trash can everyone mile! :eek3:


Considering we have the same car, that is not good! :mad:

jimmer2880
08-22-2005, 07:39 AM
It is unfortunate that the big three don't offer a diesel sedan to rival these mpg ... my wife's 02 explorer gets worse mileage than my 3/4 ton Dodge Diesel ... if we were buying a new car I would definitely get a diesel VW

The Jeep Liberty has a diesel option.

http://www-5.jeep.com/vehsuite/VehicleCompare.jsp

Workin' 4 Toys
08-22-2005, 05:12 PM
WFT's; Do you include tags, insurance, avg maintenance cost, and car depreciation?
It could but doesn't. I had someone make it for me.
I don't have the exact numbers with me I am not at the comp that has the SS..
Excluding the above info..

If I bought a veh. for $4000.00 that got approx 30mpg, I would spend less in fuel than the payment of the veh. I am near $400.00 a month in fuel based on an average of 12 months Excluding weekend travel. This is only to get to and from work. Based on that, it would take approx. 15 months for it to pay itself off and start working for me.

This does not include savings in maintenance either.

In short the comparo...
The truck.. Tires $700, brakes $400.00, oil change $110.00, fuel filter $100.00, air filter $50.00,....
The car: tires $300.00, brakes $25.00, oil change $15.00, fuel filter...Nah, Air filter..nah...

I may have made a mistake somewhere here, I was going off memory..:o

Workin' 4 Toys
08-22-2005, 05:14 PM
The Jeep Liberty has a diesel option.

http://www-5.jeep.com/vehsuite/VehicleCompare.jsp

It is an interesting option if I decided to greasel it... Otherwise the mpg isn't enough to do much good for me.

AirJunky
08-22-2005, 05:29 PM
I was doing the math on a commute car. Depending on what you drive now and the amount of miles, also considering what you would buy for your work vehicle all weigh into the actual cost savings. One thing to consider is insurance, taxes, and registration. For me, driving the Hemi Durango about 24k miles per year and then getting a work car instead while keeping the Durango the ROI is just not there.

Food for thought!
Interesting. I drive a '98 Dakota with the 318 that gets around 14 or 15 mpg. I drive it about 15k miles per year, of which about 8k is to work & back.
I figured that a $2000 commuter car that got 30 mpg, just driving it to work would take me a little over a year to begin to benefit from it....... including the insurance, gas & maintenance.
Seems like you'd get there sooner considering the trucks we're starting with.

captkidd
08-24-2005, 12:41 PM
I've pretty much parked my Dodge Ram pickup, except for towing and hauling stuff. I drive our '91 Toyotal Corolla to work everyday; it has 312K miles on the original engine (except for timing belts, alternators, etc.) and gets about 35mpg. My wife bought it new and when the baby came along she got a Grand Cherokee and I got the Corolla. It's about as exciting to drive as a nail, but it sure is economical and dependable. Still, I'd hate to get in an accident with it (small, no airbags, no ABS, etc.).

I think your ROI calculations need to take into account the increased resale value of the vehicle that you're not driving as much. Keeping the miles and wear and tear off the more expensive vehicle might be hard to calculate, but are very good reasons to buy a cheapo economy car.

maristarman
08-24-2005, 12:49 PM
I think your ROI calculations need to take into account the increased resale value of the vehicle that you're not driving as much. Keeping the miles and wear and tear off the more expensive vehicle might be hard to calculate, but are very good reasons to buy a cheapo economy car.

Recently its been reported that used car values have plummeted due to the cut rate "Employee Pricing" that new cars are selling for.

My guess would be that ROI changes due to decreased usage would be negligible.

Workin' 4 Toys
08-24-2005, 03:35 PM
I've pretty much parked my Dodge Ram pickup, except for towing and hauling stuff. I drive our '91 Toyotal Corolla to work everyday; it has 312K miles on the original engine (except for timing belts, alternators, etc.) and gets about 35mpg. My wife bought it new and when the baby came along she got a Grand Cherokee and I got the Corolla. It's about as exciting to drive as a nail, but it sure is economical and dependable. Still, I'd hate to get in an accident with it (small, no airbags, no ABS, etc.).

I think your ROI calculations need to take into account the increased resale value of the vehicle that you're not driving as much. Keeping the miles and wear and tear off the more expensive vehicle might be hard to calculate, but are very good reasons to buy a cheapo economy car.
This is what I plan to do, and as an added benefit to your reasoning of the lack of mileage on the truck, it makes it last that much longer. Now in no way shape or form do I expect any increased value for it becuase I did not drive it. Don't care about the resale value, because I am going to drive it until it as completely decomposed into ash. Fix what needs fixin, and keep going.
I far from look forward to driving anything but my truck. But to get me to and from work, I am all for it. Even if all I get is to go from a hundo a week in fuel to 40 or 50. Awesome. Then when the weekends come, away we go in the truck. This is getting easier and easier to justify as this thread goes on. Keep it up, I am still shopping.
Of course there is always the greasecar option for free fuel. I'm still thinking about it!!

Workin' 4 Toys
08-24-2005, 03:39 PM
Recently its been reported that used car values have plummeted due to the cut rate "Employee Pricing" that new cars are selling for.

My guess would be that ROI changes due to decreased usage would be negligible.
Right, taken into consideration, but I don't care about resale. I'm going to run it into the dirt. Same goes for the commuter.
I wonder if the same will be true of the housing market soon......:confused:

Leroy
08-24-2005, 04:15 PM
When we were looking for our 16 year old we looked at a lot of $2k-$4k Honda Accords that looked like they had a lot of life in them, cheap insurance (only need liability), cheap tags, good reliability, and 25-30 MPG.


Just realized at 10k miles per year on my gas guzzler, 15MPG, $3/gal that is $2k in gas per year! :eek:

parks_jr_55
08-24-2005, 04:44 PM
When we were looking for our 16 year old we looked at a lot of $2k-$4k Honda Accords that looked like they had a lot of life in them, cheap insurance (only need liability), cheap tags, good reliability, and 25-30 MPG.


Just realized at 10k miles per year on my gas guzzler, 15MPG, $3/gal that is $2k in gas per year! :eek:

What did you 16 year old get.

I got a neon for my 16th that got in the 30 MPG range. I have since then gotten a 2005 Mazda3 that gets about 34MPG.

Leroy
08-24-2005, 04:51 PM
Ended up with 95 Lexus ES300, similar to a Camry, little nicer, Accords were in such hot demand by teenagers we couldn't beat other people to buy one, used ES300 is not as know or in demand and they are cared for generally very well. He has had a year and been very happy with it. We tinted the windows and put in 12 in bass. He now wants "rims".....maybe if grades are good all year.....

WHat happened to the Neon?

parks_jr_55
08-24-2005, 05:01 PM
Sold it to a friend.

It was a great car and all but my dad wanted somethign a little nicer for me.

I actully wanted my dad to keep either his Lexus LS400 (he had the windows tinted either 20 or 35% in it and it was black....looked real sharp) or Audi A6 for me but he didn't. About two weeks after I got my neon our neighbor put up his ES300 for sale. I wanted it really bad but it was just a little too late.

parks_jr_55
08-24-2005, 05:06 PM
This is what it looked like:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/vw_wr/neon2.jpg

and this is what I have now:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/vw_wr/mazda.gif

Leroy
08-24-2005, 05:27 PM
Very nice Mazda!

parks_jr_55
08-24-2005, 05:31 PM
Thanks Leroy.

Its perfect for me. It is pretty sporty too. It has extremly good suspension and for a 4 cylinder it can move. Inside is real nice too.

Leroy
08-24-2005, 05:34 PM
And brand new! My son came in from school and is envious!

parks_jr_55
08-24-2005, 05:57 PM
My 18 year old brother was envious too. I have to hide the keys becuase I will wake up and my car will be gone. He alwyas wants to drive it.

He isn't too bad off becuase he just got a 2004 Tacoma in the spring that had only 4500 miles on it.

Your son started school already?
We start on the 1st.

Leroy
08-24-2005, 05:59 PM
Yes started 8/16, way too early.

parks_jr_55
08-24-2005, 06:05 PM
Agreed.



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Workin' 4 Toys
08-24-2005, 11:14 PM
When I was 16 I owned a 1978 Pontiac Trans AM. Boy do I miss that car. Gas mileage wasn't even a thought back then. Ahhhhh, those were the days!!

West TN Wake
08-25-2005, 11:49 AM
Yea man i just purchased a jeep wrangler. Its a four cylinder 5 speed so it gets good milage. Only bad thing is i have to borrow my dads z71 to go to the lake in but its all good.

Leroy
08-25-2005, 11:56 AM
Carpooling really is smart if you can do it!


You did much better than me W4T's, my first car was a Vega :mad:

Granite_33
08-25-2005, 12:54 PM
Company car with gas paid........my other car does NOT move from the garage.....

captkidd
08-29-2005, 03:56 PM
Thanks Leroy.

Its perfect for me. It is pretty sporty too. It has extremly good suspension and for a 4 cylinder it can move. Inside is real nice too.
Drive smart. Wear your seatbelt all the time. We don't want to read about another teenager being injured because they were speeding and not wearing a seatbelt. Enjoy having you on here too much for that.

Workin' 4 Toys
08-29-2005, 05:57 PM
Carpooling really is smart if you can do it!


You did much better than me W4T's, my first car was a Vega :mad:
That was my second car. I bought a 79 Z28 when I was 14. Opps, I just noticed I screwed up on the year on the T/A, the T/A was a '78. Sorry for the misrepresentation. If I only had a digital camera back then, I might have pics to show now. One thing was for sure, I did not care at all about fuel, or how many sets of tires I went through in a year. I would love to own another of either of those cars again. If I only had more garage space. I think a 100' X 200' garage would suit me just fine "for awhile"
From there I stepped it up to a 1969 GTO a year or so later. That is one car I kick myself in the rearend everyday for ever getting rid of.

erkoehler
08-30-2005, 02:19 AM
First car, 2002 Monte Carlo SS. Had to sell it to buy a truck to tow the snowmobiles and what was then the future boat. Now I have all the toys I could want. ( for now!)

captkidd
08-30-2005, 10:44 AM
W4T, you're confusing me. You originally said that it was a 1978 T/A, and then corrected it to a '78 (so you were right both times). The '77-78 T/As are one of the muscle cars that I would really love to own (Smokey & the Bandit edition, please).

Workin' 4 Toys
10-16-2005, 12:57 AM
W4T, you're confusing me. You originally said that it was a 1978 T/A, and then corrected it to a '78 (so you were right both times). The '77-78 T/As are one of the muscle cars that I would really love to own (Smokey & the Bandit edition, please).
My Z28 was a '79, T/A was a '78, GTO was '69. The ONLY part I wish was different, all of them were automatics. Boring.
I would love to have any of them all over again. Trouble is I am flat out of parking spaces. I have stuff everywhere.
When we build a summer home on a lake in the near future, it WILL have at least parking for 8 or more. But for now, I will just dream. Can't have everything(or at least parking for everything)

Upper Michigan Prostar190
10-16-2005, 10:53 AM
Sorry, got on this thread late in the game, but Heres my 2 Cents on it. I work at an auto dealership and hear this all the time. People are always looking for a "cheap" car that gets great gas milage to commute to work. I try to tell people this: take into consideration ALL the costs that accompany owning another car. do a little math.

at $3 per gallon, if you drive 10,000 miles a year commuting to and from work you will spend about $1000 a year getting 30 MPG, and if your getting 15 MPG with a truck fuel will cost you $2000 a year. so you can save about $1000 a year at that rate. NOW, take into consideration the cost of the car your going to buy, which is usually going to be AT least $1000, so that could blow your gas savings right out the window immediately. THEN you have to buy license plates, and Insurance. now what about maintanence? you still need to change oil on BOTH vehicles, buy brakes, tires, etc.... and thats just normal stuff. then what if something breaks down? that can be major bucks! Brake jobs and tires and oil changes and maintanence are going to cost about $300 to $500 a year if you average the costs out over the life of a brake job and tires. combine that with insurance and plates, depends on the state, but insurance isnt cheap. I am not going to figure an insurance cost because it depends on the type of car, what state you live in, coverage limits, etc... and of course your still risking any other mechanical repair costs that might arise. so, be careful to really consider what the costs will be before you buy another car to "save money" on gas. DO some math to see if it really will save you money. Most times it wont. There are cases where it can, but most cases it wont save you anything.

6ballsisall
10-16-2005, 11:23 AM
Sorry, got on this thread late in the game, but Heres my 2 Cents on it. I work at an auto dealership and hear this all the time. People are always looking for a "cheap" car that gets great gas milage to commute to work. I try to tell people this: take into consideration ALL the costs that accompany owning another car. do a little math.

at $3 per gallon, if you drive 10,000 miles a year commuting to and from work you will spend about $1000 a year getting 30 MPG, and if your getting 15 MPG with a truck fuel will cost you $2000 a year. so you can save about $1000 a year at that rate. NOW, take into consideration the cost of the car your going to buy, which is usually going to be AT least $1000, so that could blow your gas savings right out the window immediately. THEN you have to buy license plates, and Insurance. now what about maintanence? you still need to change oil on BOTH vehicles, buy brakes, tires, etc.... and thats just normal stuff. then what if something breaks down? that can be major bucks! Brake jobs and tires and oil changes and maintanence are going to cost about $300 to $500 a year if you average the costs out over the life of a brake job and tires. combine that with insurance and plates, depends on the state, but insurance isnt cheap. I am not going to figure an insurance cost because it depends on the type of car, what state you live in, coverage limits, etc... and of course your still risking any other mechanical repair costs that might arise. so, be careful to really consider what the costs will be before you buy another car to "save money" on gas. DO some math to see if it really will save you money. Most times it wont. There are cases where it can, but most cases it wont save you anything.

You are right on the money UMP. Nice to see a car salesperson helping the customer think about it instead of just trying to sell them something.

I did the math and it wouldn't pay off for my situation. Throw in all the expenses you mentioned and I think it would be hard pressed for quite a few to actually save money in whole

milkmania
10-16-2005, 11:54 AM
Sorry, got on this thread late in the game, but Heres my 2 Cents on it. I work at an auto dealership and hear this all the time. People are always looking for a "cheap" car that gets great gas milage to commute to work. I try to tell people this: take into consideration ALL the costs that accompany owning another car. do a little math.

at $3 per gallon, if you drive 10,000 miles a year commuting to and from work you will spend about $1000 a year getting 30 MPG, and if your getting 15 MPG with a truck fuel will cost you $2000 a year. so you can save about $1000 a year at that rate. NOW, take into consideration the cost of the car your going to buy, which is usually going to be AT least $1000, so that could blow your gas savings right out the window immediately. THEN you have to buy license plates, and Insurance. now what about maintanence? you still need to change oil on BOTH vehicles, buy brakes, tires, etc.... and thats just normal stuff. then what if something breaks down? that can be major bucks! Brake jobs and tires and oil changes and maintanence are going to cost about $300 to $500 a year if you average the costs out over the life of a brake job and tires. combine that with insurance and plates, depends on the state, but insurance isnt cheap. I am not going to figure an insurance cost because it depends on the type of car, what state you live in, coverage limits, etc... and of course your still risking any other mechanical repair costs that might arise. so, be careful to really consider what the costs will be before you buy another car to "save money" on gas. DO some math to see if it really will save you money. Most times it wont. There are cases where it can, but most cases it wont save you anything.

And THAT folks, is just another reason I keep my 93' K2500 Suburban (249,000 miles) for my daily driver!
it's paid for and cheap enough insurance....
so if I hit a tree, a rock, a dog or cat... I don't have to worry too much:D

6ballsisall
10-16-2005, 12:31 PM
I am 26 and have personally owner 9 vehicles since getting my license at 16 (I bought em all too, no spoiled rich kid here) and can say, the older I get, (and now with kids) the less I care about the bling on my car and how new it is. I am with you Milk, I would like to find a vehicle that I can run until the wheels fall off it. Thought the Durango might have been that vehicle but sorely mistaken. Toyota is sounding really good right now

Leroy
10-16-2005, 01:47 PM
Repairs eat up money like crazy, don't mind tires, brakes, etc, but transmissions, etc should not happen.

Workin' 4 Toys
10-16-2005, 10:15 PM
UMP. Here is my scenario. Let me know if you think your input works for me.
Guesstimate numbers.
For truck
I put on (at least) 500 miles a week (exceptions on occasion), Gallon of diesel fuel here is between 3.29 and 3.39 a gallon. Oil changes every 3000 at $90.00 each (4 gallons) about every month and half, tires are $700.00 a set every two years. Fuel and air filter every 6000, $100.00 or every 3 months. Insurance is $700 every six months.
For car.
5 quarts of oil $10.00, filter $3.50, air and fuel filter $20. Insurance is $200 every 6 months(but decreases truck by $50.00 per 6 month policy because it is then a pleasure vehicle. Gas here is $2.69/2.79 a gallon.
Tires are about $200 per set. Car is about $3000 to $4000 purchase price and it is about $180 for title and reg, then $78 a year after.

And repairs on a truck like mine are generally far more expensive that a midsize car. And if it gets some dings, who cares what it looks like. I would tow the trailers, with the truck, and just drive the car to and fro.
These numbers are guesstimates as far as I can tell. But what do you think?

Workin' 4 Toys
10-16-2005, 10:16 PM
Oh, and a valueable piece of input, truck gets 15 mpg (average tank)

Car would be between 25 and 35 mpg.

RickDV
10-16-2005, 10:45 PM
I picked up a 1985 Sunbird with <65,000 miles for $200. It has a 1.7 liter and a 5-speed transmission. Car is clean with only a little rust and gets 36mpg. There are few odds and ends issues, but none that must be dealt with unless I care enough (e.g headliner coming loose).

The car was owned by the mother of a friend. She was the only owner and did not use it much (obviously!). The mother passed away and her son did not want the car.

The deal was too good to pass up. At $200 it makes it worthwhile. In the 5 weeks I have owned the car I figure I have already saved close to $100 in gas.

Leroy
10-17-2005, 12:12 AM
W4T; Doesn't take long to say, sell truck, get car, rent truck when needed! I don't like that answer either!

Workin' 4 Toys
10-17-2005, 03:52 PM
W4T; Doesn't take long to say, sell truck, get car, rent truck when needed! I don't like that answer either!
Well all that said, I considered it(for about 1 second). But I can not let the Ford go. It is awesome. And I don't want to use the Yukon for towing, its a nice ride for my wife and I to cruise around in, and sometimes use it for trips unloaded. But there is nothing like my Ford.
We (as a group of friends and family) have Dodges, GMCs, Chevys, & Fords, (oh and there are Nissans, Infinitys, BMWs, Hondas and Hummers that show up on the rare occasions) all say good and bad about each. Mostly in defense because they wouldn't let anyone know they bought something they were sorry for (must be an ego thing). None the less. I can't let it go. And if I do, it will probably be for something I would be sorry for, Like an '07 Z28, or an '06 Vette.
"NOT" because I bought a cheap POS to drive to work.
Don't get me wrong, it is all about saving money and in addition getting a much longer life out of my truck, but if it came down to letting the truck go, I would retire (yeah right);) , become a stay at home dad, or change jobs first and ride my bicycle to work.

captkidd
10-17-2005, 04:12 PM
UMP, I think if you run the numbers on W4T's scenario that you'll find that in most cases it makes a lot of sense (and cents) to buy a cheap-o car as your daily driver. Your scenario failed to take into account that the maintenance you're doing on the car greatly reduces the maintenance costs on the truck. W4T correctly pointed out that the maintenance costs on an economy car are also much less than those on a full-size truck, especially tires and also oil/fluid changes. My truck tires are $700/set; my Corolla tires are about $200/set. If you estimated that both sets of tire needed replacement after 50K miles (probably less on the truck, more on the car), I could drive the car 175K miles for the same price (in tires) as the truck. I no longer carry collision insurance on the Corolla because it would be useless. Property taxes and licenses on it are practically negligible. With my insurance company, my truck insurance is also cheaper if I don't drive my truck every day.

I admire your integrity in giving potential buyers this information, but it seems to be flawed. It assumes that you're still going to be doing the same maintenance on the truck as before, which certainly isn't the case. I still stick by my original assertion that by not putting as many miles on a vehicle you slow the rate of it's depreciation, and also prolong it's life, neither of which were included in your estimate.

However, if all else were equal, I would much rather be driving my truck. I just can't afford to right now.

Workin' 4 Toys
10-17-2005, 04:22 PM
Stay tuned........ I have taken the next step:eek: . NOT ONE I AM PROUD OF, but I swallow my pride, and do what I gotta do to see if this fuel thing ever lets up. If not, I do not know what phase 3 looks like for me.

AirJunky
10-17-2005, 04:41 PM
I drive about 600 miles per month just to work & back. So if I take off 600 or 700 miles from my truck to put on a $2000 car that gets double the mileage, I figured it would take about 13 months to get ahead. Thats taking into account the price of gas & insurance. If the car is a POS & needs a lot of work, then it definitely defeats the purpose.

Leroy
10-17-2005, 05:20 PM
Payback of 13 months is generally pretty good.



I drive about 600 miles per month just to work & back. So if I take off 600 or 700 miles from my truck to put on a $2000 car that gets double the mileage, I figured it would take about 13 months to get ahead. Thats taking into account the price of gas & insurance. If the car is a POS & needs a lot of work, then it definitely defeats the purpose.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
10-17-2005, 05:22 PM
Workin for toys,

SOrry I took so long to reply. I was busy doing fall time projects and skiing yesterday. OK, the way I figure it on a yearly basis given the information you provided me, you spend roughly $8730 a year to drive the truck and the car would be $3198 WITHOUT the cost of the car. now we arent talking about the value of the truck in this either. it all depends if you own the truck or still paying for it, etc... that will be part of the decisoin too that only you can make cuz only you know your cash flow.

I think this is a scenario where you could save yourself some bucks if you did this correctly. You drive enough miles annually to make this work, and the fuel and maintanence costs only help make it more a reality. First is to keep the cost of the car down as much as possible to make it worth while. Keep it under $3000. Want my advice? find a Buick Century with about 75 to 100,000 miles on it. Those cars are excellent, they get great mileage, they rarely break down, and are cheap to insure. Yes, they are "grandma" cars, but thats why the insurance is cheap and they arent worth much, expecially with high miles cuz old people dont want them then. so they tumble in value, great for guys like you that seek a good car. Find one, they are out there. those buggers get better than 30 MPG and with the initial costs, you can probably make this work for you. and at a minimum, you could save wear and tear on your truck ( and value) by keeping it off the road for un neccessary use where a car could do just fine.

Carefully weigh all the options involved. It may work for you.

UMP

Upper Michigan Prostar190
10-17-2005, 07:47 PM
BTW, thanks JR for the compliment. :) I will never get rich or be a highly successful salesperson, but I have the luxury of sleeping at night with a good, clear conscious. I am really not cut out for this type of work. In fact, if it wasnt in my home town I wouldnt be able to make it. this is a ravenous business and most places care nothing for their employees, they just see them as robots that make money. I n fact, I only sell cars to supplement my income. I mainly do warranty administration and some other managerial duties. I dont even like being associated with the image that "car salesman" brings with it. I have a lot of repeat customers. I dont get rich, but I pay the bills and remain friends with alot of my fellow yoopers because I dont take them to the cleaners financially.

anyway, thanks for saying that, most people dont notice. In my busniess, It feels good to get a kudos once in a while. :toast:

UMP

Workin' 4 Toys
10-17-2005, 11:24 PM
Bought a 95 corolla. NOT proud whatsoever. I guess it a big "WE SHALL SEE" on my end. I hope it does what people have said it will.
Thanks for all the PMs, and there are alot more fans of this car than I ever would have thought.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
10-18-2005, 01:04 PM
I hope it works out for you. According to those fuel prices posted on the other thread, if those keep rising like that it might be the only option. :eek:

RickDV
10-18-2005, 01:27 PM
At the risk of sounding too environmental, you may also consider public transportation as an option. I know this is not a good option for many folks, but I know it is an option not considered by many.

In my case, I live a few blocks from the bus route and my employer subsidizes bus rides so they cost me only 50 cents. The bus takes me almost door to door. The only inconvenience is traveling on their schedule, not a "whenever" schedule.

I have to admit that I do not ride it as much as I could. I did buy a cheapie car that sips the gas, so I don't feel so bad about driving instead of taking the bus.

Anyway, I thought I would throw this option out there since no one else has mentioned it. Take it for what it's worth.

Workin' 4 Toys
10-18-2005, 04:40 PM
IF I COULD, I would. On occasion I go downtown, take the train. No big deal. But to get to and from work, no amount of buses would get me there. About 40 miles each way,then the running around that goes with it after that. I wish it were an option for me, but not possible.

AirJunky
11-08-2005, 02:04 PM
Made the move.......
http://airjunky.com/temp/NeonRT1.JPG
Just over $2k bought a '98 Dodge Neon R/T w/ 150 horse DOHC, 5 speed, & 4 wheel disc brakes. Gets over 30 mpg, has 99k on it, runs great, paint & interior in great shape. Pretty fun to drive, like a go-kart. Quick & takes any corner at any speed. Kinda reminds me of taking corners in the MC!!

captkidd
11-08-2005, 05:52 PM
Looks pretty sharp. Much sportier than my Corolla.

Workin' 4 Toys
11-08-2005, 11:37 PM
If my little 5hitbox had a manual trans it might at least be alittle fun. Thank goodness the E-brake is where it is. Makes driving in the rain fun. Otherwise, it pains me every morning to get in it. But the $80 a week in fuel savings makes me deal with it.

Workin' 4 Toys
11-08-2005, 11:37 PM
Speaking of the 5hitbox, anyone ever done a right engine mount in a corrolla?

darkbrown
11-09-2005, 12:21 AM
know the feeling well. Gas prices have been over $4.25 a gal for better than a year now. I dusted off my '65 ElCamino, stuffed a HEI into it, some wide whites on it and drove it. The 235 - 6 cylinder, 3spd, and narrow tires go a lonnnnggg ways on a gallon of gas. Seems we've gotten old enuf to come bak into style too,......go figure.

Workin' 4 Toys
11-12-2005, 12:35 AM
Hmmm. I never even thought about this concept. And I spent all this time shopping for the T*rd I bought. When I should have convinced my wife I needed a 60's or 70's GTO, camaro, or T/A with a 6 cyl. (temporary of course) just long enough to convince her it was for the FUEL ECONOMY.

I really need a 1969 GTO and a 1969 Camaro for fuel economy!! I wonder if that will work.

darkbrown
11-12-2005, 04:12 PM
Sounds like a plan,....worked for me anyways :D

Workin' 4 Toys
11-12-2005, 09:00 PM
Nice work. Love the concept. Maybe in spring for me:D .