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TheWoons
05-04-2012, 02:33 AM
I got the surf wave pretty nice on our new X-25. The wake for boarding is pretty large too. My buddy normally surfs the other side but I had it setup for me. The wake in the last pic was before we dialed it in. I am glad we got all three tabs because they make a huge difference both boarding and surfing.

This first vid is from Aug 14th

Just started to try surf style 360's. Today was day three. Finally landed one and was pumped :)

http://youtu.be/ithkayi-qEA?hd=1

These vids and first pic were added after this first post:

Video 1

http://youtu.be/jY2NpeIjBrY?hd=1

Video 2. She didn't lose it at the end of the video, she saved it but my buddy cut the clip so the clips weren't too long.

http://youtu.be/yd4dQVK4GQA?hd=1

Video 3. This is my buddy Mike. He's 220lbs. I took him once last week and he made a few hits and today was his second time ever surfing. He's hooked on wake surfing to say the least. He was so stoked to ride all over wireless.

http://youtu.be/aNb2FwN0zYE?hd=1


http://youtu.be/bEG5EFSk_Ko?hd=1

Mike and Angies first tandem run! My four son just turned 4months and stood on the surf board for the first time today in the water almost on his own. Just needed some help balancing:)

http://youtu.be/qmG4EXIcWZQ?hd=1

My wife on her new Walker Bomb Pop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioW02fjtIhY&feature=youtu.be&hd=1


http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01581.jpg
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http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01512.jpg

Some more pics from today:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01263.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01264.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01265.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01272.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01280.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01275.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01293.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01294.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01296.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01298.jpg
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http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01307.jpg

MattsCraft
05-04-2012, 05:31 AM
Stock ballast or extra PP? Nice wave:D

TheWoons
05-04-2012, 09:55 AM
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/306988_3877722137476_2056985645_n.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/Fins.jpg

Stock ballast, four adults (three were women totaling 330) that don't weigh much and two fat sac cubes in the back (350lbs total).

EA2010
05-08-2012, 01:07 PM
That is sickE (with a capital E)!

I get my 25 on the lake next week for the first time. I added 750# sacs to each rear locker. If my surf wake is as good as yours, I'll be stoked!

ShawnB
05-08-2012, 01:12 PM
That is sickE (with a capital E)!

I get my 25 on the lake next week for the first time. I added 750# sacs to each rear locker. If my surf wake is as good as yours, I'll be stoked!

750 in the rear locker? Does that even fit?

TheWoons
05-08-2012, 01:15 PM
With 750lbs back there plus the stock ballast yours will be even better than ours. I only have two fat bricks (350lbs) back in that corner. Just put some bodies on which ever side plus in the front to lengthen the wave and it'll be sick for sure. Or if you have tabs those do a great job as well. Have you posted up pics of your 25? I might put a 1000lbs sac on the port side to make it even bigger soon.

TheWoons
05-08-2012, 01:16 PM
750 in the rear locker? Does that even fit?

I was wondering that too. My two 150lbs bricks take up most all the room in the back locker.

Nick911
05-08-2012, 11:01 PM
What was your tab and plate configuration?

TheWoons
05-09-2012, 01:45 AM
100% down on the surf tab opposite the side we surf on, attitude plate at about 40%. I bought a 750-950lbs fat sac today that I'll try out in the boat this week and see how much bigger/longer we can make the wave. Got two new boards too, Phase 5 CF Danielo and a LF one.

Space Wrangler
05-11-2012, 01:04 PM
http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t450/SpaceWrangler2/20120505surfwavelf02resize.jpg
http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t450/SpaceWrangler2/2012small0505surfwVELF03.jpg
In the process of dialing in my X-25 wave. These are at about 11 mph with center and port tanks full, about 650 pounds (Pop bags and sac) in left rear locker (in addition to the tank), and about 1000 pounds (1200 bag almost full) in the locker under the port side lounge seat. Wake plate at 40%. No surf tabs. Just me in the boat. Makes a nice long pocket with good push.

Jonb1822
05-11-2012, 09:53 PM
Space Wrangler. What sac do you have in the port locker that can get 1200lbs?

c_craig
05-11-2012, 09:59 PM
Nice heel-side ride. No can do.

coz
05-11-2012, 10:36 PM
I got the surf wave pretty dialed on our new X-25. The wake for boarding is pretty large too. My buddy normally surfs the other side but I had it setup for me. The wake in the last pic was before we dialed it in. I am glad we got all three tabs because they make a huge difference both boarding and surfing.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC00249.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC00245.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC00248.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC00243.jpg

Nice :headbang: looks like a nice day on Sag.

Space Wrangler
05-12-2012, 02:46 PM
Space Wrangler. What sac do you have in the port locker that can get 1200lbs?
http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t450/SpaceWrangler2/201205.jpg
It is a 1200 sac from Wakemakers.com. In the storage under the port lounge seat. I am planning to run my front plug and play to it.

TheWoons
05-14-2012, 10:41 PM
http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t450/SpaceWrangler2/201205.jpg
It is a 1200 sac from Wakemakers.com. In the storage under the port lounge seat. I am planning to run my front plug and play to it.

I think JonB was referring to the back locker on the port side. I have a 950lbs sac under that same seat you posted a pic of that I just got (after the pics I posted). Post up some more pics of your X-25. I saw it in another thread and it looks pretty sweet!

skrause.15
05-15-2012, 12:14 AM
Wow! That's a perfect wave! Looks awesome

TheWoons
05-18-2012, 01:57 PM
A few days ago we hit the water. My friend Sarah riding heel side for the first time.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/410992_3743389739250_1111418288_3610535_466130226_ o.jpg
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GT500 MC
05-18-2012, 02:52 PM
Nice wave....I need friends like Sarah to ride with.:D

mjdavis
05-18-2012, 07:08 PM
Awesome pics! Are you at Lake Havasu?

TheWoons
05-18-2012, 07:48 PM
These are at Saguaro Lake but we go to Canyon as well and Pleasant and Bartlett too.

TheWoons
05-20-2012, 09:30 PM
Anyone have an inland surfer sweet spot pro? I'm considering trying one and most everyone comments that Inlands are awesome.

TheWoons
05-22-2012, 12:10 AM
I have a brand new Phase 5 Danielo Pro I'm selling if anyone is interested. They are $700 and I will take $550 for this one obo.

Jonb1822
05-22-2012, 11:32 AM
I have a brand new Phase 5 Danielo Pro I'm selling if anyone is interested. They are $700 and I will take $550 for this one obo.

Can I ask why your selling it already?

TheWoons
05-22-2012, 11:49 AM
Can I ask why your selling it already?

Going to stick to more surf style boards instead of skim boards. We are more into airs and spins than shove its. I mainly bought it because it was all CF and looks sweet :) Another reason is we now have 5 surf boards (a few inland surfers in bound) and we don't need that many.

EA2010
06-14-2012, 08:35 PM
I was wondering that too. My two 150lbs bricks take up most all the room in the back locker.

Yep, the 750's fit awesome. I'll send pix in a few weeks!

TheWoons
06-15-2012, 11:43 AM
Yep, the 750's fit awesome. I'll send pix in a few weeks!

WakeMakers sells an X25 package that adds 710lbs total with three additional bags:

http://www.wakemakers.com/mastercraft-x-25-plug-n-play-ballast.html

They don't have a kit that adds 750lbs in each rear locker according to them. Their three bags are 710lbs total so each one isn't more than a few hundred pounds. I have managed to get about 500lbs in the back locker in our X25 and another 1800lbs plus the stock ballast. We have about 2500-2600lbs in it now.


I will put up some new pics this week. Our wave is way better than the pics I've posted now that it's dialed in 100% and we have all the ballast we need.

hragsarkissian
06-21-2012, 07:43 AM
WakeMakers sells an X25 package that adds 710lbs total with three additional bags:

http://www.wakemakers.com/mastercraft-x-25-plug-n-play-ballast.html

They don't have a kit that adds 750lbs in each rear locker according to them. Their three bags are 710lbs total so each one isn't more than a few hundred pounds. I have managed to get about 500lbs in the back locker in our X25 and another 1800lbs plus the stock ballast. We have about 2500-2600lbs in it now.


I will put up some new pics this week. Our wave is way better than the pics I've posted now that it's dialed in 100% and we have all the ballast we need.

Do you think all this weight or needed? Or Could you do with your initial set up? I am still trying to figure out my setup, playing around with a 450 bag and a 250 + the stock ballast.

I fill up port, put the 450 bag on the back of the bench, 250 bag upfront with 2 people. Not sure what to do with the wakeplate.

Wake is still short, and i can't let the rope go for long.

Any ideas? Not looking for an overkill setup. Something descent to surf far enough.

ShawnB
06-21-2012, 08:10 AM
Our wave is pretty dialed in too. Fill stock ballast completely. Hooked into the plug and play, we have a 450 in the rear port locker (filled as much as possible), 450 under the long seat mid-ship (plumbed to the starboard pump), and a 250 wedge sac under the front seat. Surf tab is at 85% and attitude plate around 50%. Speed is between 10-11 mph but we actually use the RPM mode for perfect pass and that's set at 2900 RPM.

The wave is very tall, clean, and has decent length. It's nowhere near as long as the X30 pictures that are starting to show up though. It's got more than enough push.

TheWoons
06-21-2012, 10:11 AM
hragarkissian- You can surf with the stock setup just fine but the more weight the better.

ShawnB- I use RPM as well and with all the weight we have we are usually around 3300 and 11-11.5mph.

As of right now we have 450lbs in the back locker, 1800lbs along the port side under the seats plus stock. This is a video of my wife from a few days ago. She just surfed for the first time about a month ago. The video doesn't show the wave very well from the angle of the video but it's tall, long, and very clean all the way to the front of the boat. There's no roost or white water coming right off the boat into the port side. The wave in the middle and right off the boat didn't clean up like we have it now until we added another 800-900lbs on the port side. We rode behind an Enzo 230 last week and hated it. She gets pretty far back toward the end and I can get farther back than she gets and still ride. She also just gave birth three months ago so she's doing great :)

http://youtu.be/bEG5EFSk_Ko?hd=1

She's already doing some poses and this was with the wave flattened out a bit to make it less steep and easier for her to learn to move up and down the wave (center tab down most of the way). Pic isn't very good as it was taken on an iPad. We have been behind a few boats now and the wave behind the X25 is awesome.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/306988_3877722137476_2056985645_n.jpg

MIskier
06-21-2012, 12:15 PM
[QUOTE=TheWoons;851133]hragarkissian- You can surf with the stock setup just fine but the more weight the better.

ShawnB- I use RPM as well and with all the weight we have we are usually around 3300 and 11-11.5mph.

What prop are you using? Your slip % has to be insane!

TheWoons
06-21-2012, 01:35 PM
Oj 522. Going to try the 5 blade soon. 3000-3300rpm is pretty normal with 2500lbs of ballast. 5 blade should lower the surf rpm 400ish rpm

swatguy
06-22-2012, 04:06 PM
Who's got goofy pics? That is a sweet wake

carisch
06-22-2012, 04:33 PM
I'm interested in the Phase 5 Danielo Pro. What size is it? Wonder how much to ship to TN.

TheWoons
06-22-2012, 08:03 PM
Goofy pics? As in riding switch on the wave? If so I have some in my first post in this thread.

Carisch- PM sent

calli0610
06-25-2012, 09:05 PM
i'm dialing in my x25 as well. i fill the port tank, 450lbs in the rear locker, 650 lbs in the port bench seat extending under the back seat, and starboard surf tab down 100%. i adjust the speed depending on the # of people in the boat to minimize the white wash at the lip.
it's not a massive wake compared to some of my friends who drop 2200+lbs of ballast but it doesnt take long to fill up, the wake is talk, pretty long, and we have lots of fun.

TheWoons
07-04-2012, 03:25 PM
i'm dialing in my x25 as well. i fill the port tank, 450lbs in the rear locker, 650 lbs in the port bench seat extending under the back seat, and starboard surf tab down 100%. i adjust the speed depending on the # of people in the boat to minimize the white wash at the lip.
it's not a massive wake compared to some of my friends who drop 2200+lbs of ballast but it doesnt take long to fill up, the wake is talk, pretty long, and we have lots of fun.

Nice. It takes over 2600lbs in our X25 to make it really good but it's worth the few extra minutes to set it up. We have two Tsunami pumps do it doesn't take too long now. We started surfing early May with only stock ballast and 355lbs in the back locker. We've added more and more weight it's gotten better and better. I think we have it where we want it now. Just took 2650lbs or something :)

Added these vids in another thread too:


Video 1

http://youtu.be/jY2NpeIjBrY?hd=1

Video 2. She didn't lose it at the end of the video, she saved it but my buddy cut the clip so the clips weren't too long.

http://youtu.be/yd4dQVK4GQA?hd=1

Video 3. This is my buddy Mike. He's 220lbs. I took him once last week and he made a few hits and today was his second time ever surfing. He's hooked on wake surfing to say the least. He was so stoked to ride all over wireless.

http://youtu.be/aNb2FwN0zYE?hd=1

swatguy
07-15-2012, 12:19 AM
Goofy pics? As in riding switch on the wave? If so I have some in my first post in this thread.

Carisch- PM sent

I noticed you were riding goofy........ but goofy riders tend to ride the starboard/ driver's wake which can be totally different on some boats due to the prop rotation. They can be touchy to dial in some cases. That's why Centurion still offers a left or right hand rotation on their surf boats. It has a total different shape on some models. Wondering if that's the case on the 25. The 03-11 star was like that. The x2 also has a diff wake starboard to port.

TheWoons
07-15-2012, 01:27 AM
That's my buddy Lance surfing goofy in the pics. I ride normal on the port side. We have surfed the starboard side as well and the wake was still really good. Not identical to the port side but still very good. That was when we didn't have as much weight as we do now and I would assume now with the amount of weight we can load the boat with the starboard side would be even better than how we had it before. OJ 5 blade is on. We will see how it affects everything this week.

The pics I first posted of the surf wake are no where near how we have it now.

TheWoons
07-17-2012, 05:58 PM
Mike and Angies first tandem run! My four son just turned 4 and stood on the surf board for the first time today in the water almost on his own. Just needed some help balancing:)

http://youtu.be/qmG4EXIcWZQ?hd=1

Some more pics from today:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01263.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01264.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01265.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01272.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01280.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01275.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01293.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01294.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01296.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01298.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01303.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01307.jpg

calli0610
07-22-2012, 07:15 PM
great pics. just had a super sac r installed last friday. it makes it so much easier to fill and drain my ballast sacs. you can put your sacs where you want hook up your hose and fill. you can fill and drain while your moving. even though i've had it a short time, so far so good. its allowed me to maximize my surfin time and minimize my fill/drain times.

Nick911
08-04-2012, 07:39 PM
Our setup thus far is as follows:

Starboard: Full stock KGB and Starboard. 455 lb X2 sac in rear comp, 370 tube sac in cooler comp. 10.4 mph with tabs rolled 100% and attitude plate down 40%.

Wake is very tall with good push though pocket is not that long.

Port: same as above except 400 lb sack under side lounge seat instead of tube sac and factory balladt/plates switched. Speed 10.6. Wake is better on this side, taller and cleaner. Pocket still short.

Am adding a 400 lb sac to bow tonight to try to lengthen wake.

Run in PP CS 750 NN 50 T?? 250. Holds plus or minus .2 mph with ACME 2241 15" prop.

TheWoons
08-04-2012, 08:43 PM
Nick speed the boat up to 11.5-12mph and get more weight in the boat too. Weight in the bow made a big difference but we also are running over 2800lbs total ballast now. Use an actual GPS as well. All the boats are off and usually they are slower than what the boat says. Our boat reads 12.9 when we are actually going 11.9. Speeding it up will make a huge difference. Most people surf too slow. You can make the pocket very very long

Nick911
08-04-2012, 10:30 PM
Thanks will try have to get GPS on boat for sure bow sack didn't do to much for the length going out again tonight.

Might try adding more weight too the wake is good no issues going wireless at all. Should I fill all my factory ballast?

TheWoons
08-05-2012, 01:27 AM
I fill only the kgb and port side when we surf. I experimented with the starboard side as well but I just leave that one empty as it didn't do much. You're only running 1400lbs total ballast, that's half what we use now. Grab two FatSac W707's (750-950lbs) and put those on the sides you're surfing and you will see a huge difference. $300 in two more sacs will make your surfing way way way more fun

Nick911
08-05-2012, 01:54 AM
I fill only the kgb and port side when we surf. I experimented with the starboard side as well but I just leave that one empty as it didn't do much. You're only running 1400lbs total ballast, that's half what we use now. Grab two FatSac W707's (750-950lbs) and put those on the sides you're surfing and you will see a huge difference. $300 in two more sacs will make your surfing way way way more fun

Hate having sacs on the seat though I surf goofy so no room under cooler seat except for tube sac. I'll go buy a bigger bag though for port surfers and stick the 400 on the cooler seat.

Just got off water now (underwater lights and glow sticks work great) and speeding up worked great we went to 11.2 so about 1 mph faster got way longer pocket though wave shrank it was definitely better though.

TheWoons
08-05-2012, 02:02 AM
I don't have any bags on any seats when loaded with weight but we ride port side. It would cost more money but you can get 50lbs pop bags and load up the starboard side to ride goofy and get just as much weight over there. What prop do you have? Does your boat go bow up quite a bit on the hit until it gets on plane?

Edit: Disregard my last question. Putting another 1400lbs on top of your 1400lbs would change your answer and you haven't done that yet :)

Also, when you speed up you can bring the center plate back up more which will make it steeper again and still longer with more speed.

Nick911
08-05-2012, 02:59 AM
With new speed I'll bring plate up, we go around 40% now.

Have the ACME 2241 15" prop. Dealer said it was the best prop for low-end on that boat and ACME confirmed. Have never had any issues getting on plane, even with 11 adults and full ballast + bags.

Thinking about the Nautique wedge sacs for the bow under the front seats.

Nick911
08-05-2012, 03:03 AM
I fill only the kgb and port side when we surf. I experimented with the starboard side as well but I just leave that one empty as it didn't do much. You're only running 1400lbs total ballast, that's half what we use now. Grab two FatSac W707's (750-950lbs) and put those on the sides you're surfing and you will see a huge difference. $300 in two more sacs will make your surfing way way way more fun

My total now would be 200 port stock,
400 KGB, 455 port locker, 400 port bench (370 for starboard) and 400 bow between seats or total ballast of 1800 lbs.

Getting the 950 lbs bag will bring me up to 2250, should be near enough...

TheWoons
08-05-2012, 10:44 AM
Forgot to add the 400 you added in the bottom part of post #41. The five blade prop made a big big difference which is why I was asking about getting on plane. It also allows us to not use the center tab as much and not have as much weight in the bow. 2250lbs will be good. If you have a bunch of people you won't need more ballast. We only like to go with 4-5 tops

EA2010
08-05-2012, 02:25 PM
Yo Nick.

Is that Acme prop larger or smaller than stock?

We've hit 85 hours on the water for the season. Heading out again right now. Will post pix and our surf config later today. Our wave is dialed to SICKE ... but there is always room for improvement!!!

Nick911
08-05-2012, 02:49 PM
Yo Nick.

Is that Acme prop larger or smaller than stock?

We've hit 85 hours on the water for the season. Heading out again right now. Will post pix and our surf config later today. Our wave is dialed to SICKE ... but there is always room for improvement!!!

Ya it's got a 15" swing on it which apparently only some boats have room for, the 25 being one of them, so, larger than stock.

Where you at EA2010? We are in Shuswap Lake. At about 45 hours now but here until sept so should hit about 90 hours this year.

How boat holding up? My only issue now is ballast tank levels, still way out if whack...

TheWoons
08-05-2012, 04:26 PM
My wife on her new Walker Bomb Pop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioW02fjtIhY&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

BrooksfamX2
08-05-2012, 11:03 PM
Surfed today and experimented with the wake plate positin I found that with it down about 1/2 the pocket was a little longer and still plenty of push. Thats my new setting for now.

EA2010
08-07-2012, 05:36 PM
Ya it's got a 15" swing on it which apparently only some boats have room for, the 25 being one of them, so, larger than stock.

Where you at EA2010? We are in Shuswap Lake. At about 45 hours now but here until sept so should hit about 90 hours this year.

How boat holding up? My only issue now is ballast tank levels, still way out if whack...

Thanks for the prop info, Nick. I'm the guy who's out at Wood Lake / Kalamalka. Approaching 90 hours on our X-25 and really happy with the surf wake. Sorry to hear about your issues, dude. I would recommend a Tsunami pump and some Fly High sacs to compensate while you get that figured out.

I am running the following setup:

Regular Side

- KGB and Port side tanks 100% full
- 750lb Fly High sac in rear port locker 100% full
- attitude plate to 40%
- STBD surf tab to 100%
- speed is 11mph (my boat has Zero Off)

Here's a vid of my daughter shredding the port side of the boat:

http://youtu.be/kF5DGx5AJ5A

We're really happy with this wake. Tons of push and a nice clean lip.

EA2010
08-07-2012, 05:38 PM
Here's our goofy side wake ...

Same settings as port side, but we add a 400lb Fly High sack to the starboard seat (over the cooler) and make sure the cooler is FULL with drinks!

The goofy side is a little more hit-and-miss depending on passenger load ...

EA2010
08-07-2012, 05:46 PM
Oh yeah, I am cruising goofy a little faster at 11.8 mph ... I can get back 20 feet easily on my ShredStixx Pro (4'11")

Nick911
08-07-2012, 07:27 PM
The fly high tube sack (370 lbs) fits great under the cooler seat which is nice as I hate bags on the seats. How do you fit a 750 lb bag in rear lockers? I have the 455 lb X2 sacs back there and they are pretty much full.

I'm going to replace the 400 lb bag I have under the port bench seat with a 750-950 lb bag so it's easier for beginners to surf the port side as I'm the only one show surfs goofy and the extra 800 lbs is all I need for that side though if I could fit a 750 lb bag in rear lockers I would.

TheWoons
08-07-2012, 08:01 PM
EA2010, I'm guessing you have a fiberglass platform?

EA2010
08-07-2012, 08:21 PM
The fly high tube sack (370 lbs) fits great under the cooler seat which is nice as I hate bags on the seats. How do you fit a 750 lb bag in rear lockers? I have the 455 lb X2 sacs back there and they are pretty much full.

I'm going to replace the 400 lb bag I have under the port bench seat with a 750-950 lb bag so it's easier for beginners to surf the port side as I'm the only one show surfs goofy and the extra 800 lbs is all I need for that side though if I could fit a 750 lb bag in rear lockers I would.

The 750 sac fills the entire locker and slides underneath the rear wedge seats. I can get it about 90% full on port, but only 75% on starboard (due to the water strainer).

Nice call on the tube sac for the cooler. Gonna try that one.

EA2010
08-07-2012, 08:23 PM
EA2010, I'm guessing you have a fiberglass platform?

Correct.

I'm hoping someone comes out with a custom platform that actually improves (or, at least, doesn't destroy) the surf wake ... :cool:

TheWoons
08-07-2012, 08:28 PM
Correct.

I'm hoping someone comes out with a custom platform that actually improves (or, at least, doesn't destroy) the surf wake ... :cool:

The stock teak wood deck doesn't affect the surf wake like the fiberglass one does. Take a look at my pics and videos. You can see in your video there's a 10-12in section of the wake right off the back deck that goes up and falls into the port side lip. That's because of the glass deck.

Nick911
08-07-2012, 09:19 PM
Correct.

I'm hoping someone comes out with a custom platform that actually improves (or, at least, doesn't destroy) the surf wake ... :cool:

Our wake comes out super clean I'll get some pics next time we are out the water.

Nick911
08-07-2012, 09:23 PM
The 750 sac fills the entire locker and slides underneath the rear wedge seats. I can get it about 90% full on port, but only 75% on starboard (due to the water strainer).

Nice call on the tube sac for the cooler. Gonna try that one.

So the only extra weight you add is the 750 to the rear lockers?

Tube sac is golden!

We just bought a Phase 5 Oogle and really like it so far. Hoping to get some calm days an some boarding in too.

Jonb1822
08-07-2012, 10:03 PM
Has anyone tried a fat sac in the port storage locker under the radio head unit where the batteries are located?

Nick911
08-07-2012, 10:22 PM
Has anyone tried a fat sac in the port storage locker under the radio head unit where the batteries are located?

A 400 lb Fly High would work perfectly there.

Jonb1822
08-07-2012, 10:30 PM
A 400 lb Fly High would work perfectly there.

I actually just had a 400lb fly high delivered today for that reason. Gonna try it out this Friday, but was curious if anyone had already tried it. :)

TheWoons
08-08-2012, 02:15 AM
I've had a 750lbs (950lbs) W707 in the X25 under the radio and forward. Fits easy. You can fit three 750lbs sacs lined up from back to front on the port side.

Jonb1822
08-08-2012, 03:05 PM
What were your thoughts when you had this setup

EA2010
08-09-2012, 12:31 AM
The stock teak wood deck doesn't affect the surf wake like the fiberglass one does. Take a look at my pics and videos. You can see in your video there's a 10-12in section of the wake right off the back deck that goes up and falls into the port side lip. That's because of the glass deck.

Pretty sure that was my wife's foot that caused that wash effect ... our port side wake is super good. Still tweaking the goofy side. The prop rotation works against you and you have to load more ballast and spread it out along the entire starboard side of the boat.

Fun to tweak things and see the results ...

TheWoons
08-09-2012, 12:02 PM
Pretty sure that was my wife's foot that caused that wash effect ... our port side wake is super good. Still tweaking the goofy side. The prop rotation works against you and you have to load more ballast and spread it out along the entire starboard side of the boat.

Fun to tweak things and see the results ...

Definitely fun to play around with the weight. The wash I'm referring to is your swim deck for sure. It's very consistent on your wake on the port side. You can see a little splashing from your wife's foot but that isn't causing the effect I'm referring to.

Nick911
08-12-2012, 12:46 AM
82845

Added a Fly High 750 lb to the port side comp. As you can see it pretty much fills it up.

So now running on full port KGB and Port Stock at 600 lbs, and 455 in rear comp plus 750 for about 1800 lbs total. Have another 400 lb bag for bow I'll try adding tomorrow.

Same set up on Starboard except running tube sac below seat and a 400 lb bag on seat.

The extra 400 lbs really helped on each side as well as speeding up to lengthen wake.

Im definitely happy now with wake.
Thanks Ryan for your advice.

TheWoons
08-12-2012, 01:03 AM
82845

Added a Fly High 750 lb to the port side comp. As you can see it pretty much fills it up.

So now running on full port KGB and Port Stock at 600 lbs, and 455 in rear comp plus 750 for about 1800 lbs total. Have another 400 lb bag for bow I'll try adding tomorrow.

Same set up on Starboard except running tube sac below seat and a 400 lb bag on seat.

The extra 400 lbs really helped on each side as well as speeding up to lengthen wake.

Im definitely happy now with wake.
Thanks Ryan for your advice.

No problem. Glad I could help. I ended up putting the 750lbs sac in the rear port locker as well and it fills up most of the way (forward part goes under the wiring back there). You'll be at 2200lbs tomorrow and pretty close to what we run now. If you want to make it even bigger/longer grab 400-600lbs of pop bags and I can tell you where to put those :)

EA2010
08-13-2012, 11:47 AM
Let's see some more pix, boys!

TheWoons
08-13-2012, 12:10 PM
I should have some more pics and vids this week hopefully. Here's one I took last week

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/Wave.jpg

Wife's new Hot Pink Bomb Pop came today:)

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01498.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01499.jpg
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http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01501.jpg

TheWoons
08-14-2012, 05:29 PM
Just started to try surf style 360's. Today was day three. Finally landed one and was pumped :)

http://youtu.be/ithkayi-qEA?hd=1

TheWoons
08-14-2012, 05:30 PM
Back in early May when we started my wife and I could barely surf wireless. I am glad we stuck with surfing and we love it now. We don't even bring wake boards with us anymore :)


http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01581.jpg
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BrooksfamX2
08-14-2012, 07:42 PM
Nice, and same here. The last two trips to the lake, the WB's stayed home as they will this weekend. I did pick up a set of wakehopper skis and have a lot of fun on those also.......

BrooksfamX2
08-14-2012, 07:44 PM
I should have some more pics and vids this week hopefully. Here's one I took last week

Wife's new Hot Pink Bomb Pop came today:)

I like the red one on the right. What size is it?

XtwentyNot
08-14-2012, 08:29 PM
Are any of you using stock pumps on a '12 with Big and increased the timer length to fill your bags? Or increased the manual fill length?

TheWoons
08-14-2012, 08:34 PM
My wife's is a 4'2. My red one is a 4'5. The Bomb Pops ride like longer boards though than their actual lengths. They are very buoyant. If you want one let me know. I'm a dealer for Walker.

We have two tsunami pumps we use for now.

REDX2
08-21-2012, 11:11 PM
Ok Im way confused, to many bags everyone is talking about. i ride goofy and I need a simple setup since I use my storage for storage, LOL

TheWoons
08-21-2012, 11:17 PM
Then simply put, you will never have a good surf wake if you don't want to fill your storage compartments with either fat sacs or lead pop bags :) You need to fill the rear locker and lose the storage there, you will need to fill the cooler space with weight and lose that spot as well and you'll need to put weight up in the bow under the seats too. There is more than enough storage on an X25 for all the junk you could need on the water even when filling one side with weight. If you surf goofy and you need more storage than the entire port side than there's other issues going on :) If you want a good surf wake you need to put 2500lbs+ worth of total ballast in the boat (not including people but with this weight you don't need any people ballast).Put a 750lbs sac in the back locker, I'd put 750lbs of pop bags there the cooler goes and fill that space in between there and the back locker. Fill the stock KGB and stock starboard tanks and put 300-400lbs in the port side bow under the seat. That should make it pretty good and would be about 2500lbs in ballast. If you don't want to move the cooler you can put the 750 sac in the back locker and put another 750lbs sac on the starboard seat.

Nick911
08-22-2012, 02:22 AM
Ok Im way confused, to many bags everyone is talking about. i ride goofy and I need a simple setup since I use my storage for storage, LOL

Here is my setup for goofy (I ride goofy):

Full KGB and Starboard tanks.
455 lb X2 sac in rear locker.
370 lb tube sac under cooler seat which extends to front of X2 sac under suction strainer.
400 lb sac on starboard seat.

Total about 2000 lbs of extra ballast.

Set PP at 11.2 mph. Easily have a 15' pocket and can go further back with some pumping.
Experimenting with some nose weight as well.

Ryan, how you set up for nose weight? I was thinking the Nautique wedge sacs?

Also, talking to my dealer about plumbing most of these bags in.
I'll let you know what we come up with.

501s
08-22-2012, 03:29 AM
Why are people bragging about leaving the wakeboards in favour of surfing? Especially when its behind an X-25. Honest question.

EA2010
08-22-2012, 09:19 AM
Why are people bragging about leaving the wakeboards in favour of surfing? Especially when its behind an X-25. Honest question.

Because when you wipe you just slide gently into the water ... as opposed to getting the dual-mode sinus/traditional enema. Plus, it's surfing with an endless wave and no paddling!

XtwentyNot
08-22-2012, 10:28 AM
Also, talking to my dealer about plumbing most of these bags in.
I'll let you know what we come up with.
'12 with BIG?

Nick911
08-22-2012, 11:09 AM
Why are people bragging about leaving the wakeboards in favour of surfing? Especially when its behind an X-25. Honest question.

Has an amazing wake for sure. We run it stock only and its huge and clean foreever!

Nick911
08-22-2012, 11:11 AM
'12 with BIG?

Yes. We are not going to be tying it into the stock system.
Probably 2 separate pumps/switches with a manifold.
Am thinking a pump for starboard and pump for port.

TheWoons
08-22-2012, 11:53 AM
Nick I put 300-400lbs in 50lbs pop bags in the front bow under the seats. Lengthens the wake a lot. Speed wise we go 11.5-12.0 GPS'd. More speed helps a lot as well.

501s- I don't think anyone is bragging about not wake boarding. If you want to get really good at wake boarding with spins, big air and tricks you're going to get wrecked. I've had two really bad concussions and tore up both my shoulders trying to save some landings I shouldn't have. Most people at a certain point aren't willing to keep getting hurt wake boarding. Being very good at wake boarding is pretty difficult but doing the hard tricks on a surf board I have learned is also VERY difficult.

atthelake
08-22-2012, 12:21 PM
Ok Im way confused, to many bags everyone is talking about. i ride goofy and I need a simple setup since I use my storage for storage, LOL

You will have to lose some storage space, but just for the time you surf. Pile that stuff in the bow. Unless you are going to be surfing 90%+ of the time, I wouldn't plumb in anything "permanent". A pair of 350 Straight Line Big Bags, one in the locker, one on the seat and away you go. If you can't surf with that, then keep trying. Thatís all I run on my 09 Xstar and it works for us. The boys are doing 360's, ollies, working on their shuv-its. It would be even better on your X25.
I am struggling with sacking out the boat and spending hours (okay, okay, minutes) just filling and emptying bags just so we can surf 20 feet back.

bjames
08-22-2012, 01:14 PM
The Woons,

Would you happen to have any pics of your ballast set up? I like to see how the larger sacs fint intothe storage compartments. Also we have the removable ski pylon and cockpit table that is all stored in the rear compartments. I assume I will have to remove these from the boat in order to fit larger sacs. Currently I have to P&P ballast bags (ones designed for the X25) that currently dont interfere with the table/strainer etc.

Also I was told that the 2012 P&P ballast timers can not be changed by the user, so it looks like I would end up using separate pumps.

TheWoons
08-22-2012, 01:28 PM
The Woons,

Would you happen to have any pics of your ballast set up? I like to see how the larger sacs fint intothe storage compartments. Also we have the removable ski pylon and cockpit table that is all stored in the rear compartments. I assume I will have to remove these from the boat in order to fit larger sacs. Currently I have to P&P ballast bags (ones designed for the X25) that currently dont interfere with the table/strainer etc.

Also I was told that the 2012 P&P ballast timers can not be changed by the user, so it looks like I would end up using separate pumps.

I actually don't have any pics of the ballast but I will take some. Someone in this thread posted the 750lbs sac (which fills to 950lbs) shown under the port side seat filled up. I have that same bag there and that same bag in the back locker filled up. And in-between those two bags there's some space and I have 200lbs of lead pop bags placed there. I have a 200lbs bag I put on top of the 750lbs sac in the port locker that I fill as much as it'll fill. And then I have 200-300lbs in pop bags in the Starboard side bow under the front seat. Stock Port and KGB tanks filled (625lbs) and that's the setup. That's about 2675lbs in ballast. We also have two 155lbs bricks on board but we almost never use them now. With an average of 4 people on board that's another ~575lbs and over 3000lbs total ballast. The 5 blade prop made a big big difference on the 25, especially getting on plane and getting up to speed.

It should also be noted that our boat doesn't list that much even with all this weight. On average it's about 10-10.5deg.

St1cky
08-22-2012, 01:38 PM
Howdy folks. New memeber and X25 owner here (first boat ever actually). Thought I'd share my surf wake setup if it helps anyone else with similar fat sacks (2x 500lb sacks).

-People on board during pictures below: myself, wife, 12yr, 3yr (<500lbs)
-Factory ballast fill: port full, center full
-Trim tab: 40%
-Speed: 10.8 (but it usually settles in around 10.4-10.6 @ 2600rpm '6.0L Ilmor')
-No surf tabs installed
-500lb sack under port bench seat
-500lb sack under port console/slightly forward under port bow seat, nice pocket there that fits a sack very nicely while not letting it move around.

note: Originally I would put one of my 500lb bags in the port coffin but I always had a washy lip on the wave. My swim platform seemed to be digging into the wave and the bow would raise more than desired. I also did not like using the trim tab at first because while it lowered the bow and lengthened the wave it also shortened the height and push of the wave. My above setup is how I like it now, better distribution of the weight, not too much list to the port side, but weighting down entire boat with smaller port list (lean) seems to be the ticket for me. I plan on moving a 500lb sack back to the port coffin when I pick up a 750 sack to take its place under the port bench seat. That will give me factory ballast, 500lb port coffin, 750 port bench, & 500 port bow.

Here is the result:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4488425/surf%20wake1.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4488425/surf%20wake2.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4488425/surf%20wake3.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4488425/surf%20wake4.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4488425/surf%20wake5.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4488425/surf%20wake6.jpg

Nick911
08-22-2012, 01:54 PM
I'll agree with Ryan the more weight the better. Everytime we add weight it gets better and better.

I'll post pics later of my setup as well. Surf able with less weight? Yes, but funner with 2K plus...

501s
08-22-2012, 01:56 PM
Good answers guys. I'm 35 now and I agree the wrecks hurt a lot more, but the fun of blasting big airs can't be matched by surfing IMO. Maybe I'm not ready to give up my youth yet but I'm still learning new tricks and having fun doing so. Surfing a a great time but it doesn't quite do it for me like wakeboarding does.

TheWoons
08-22-2012, 02:22 PM
St1cky- Nice setup. I would add a bit more weight and speed the boat up. 10.4-10.6 on the gauges is probably more like 9.5mph actual on a GPS. That's pretty slow to surf. Speeding it up will make the wake more solid along with cleaning it up and giving it more push as well.

501s- I agree about big air on a wake board but as you learn more tricks and get really good at surfing I think it can replace the fun of wake boarding. There are some really hard technical tricks that would feel pretty damn good to land on a surf board :) Surfing isn't for everyone and either is wake boarding. As long as people are out on the water having fun doing one or the other I'm happy :)

St1cky
08-22-2012, 02:39 PM
Woon, Yeah I've played around with the speed up to 12 and I can honestly say I didn't consider the fact that these guages aren't perfect, but I normally look at the wave first anyways as the speed comes up and stay at the speed where the wave looks best on that given day and loadout , variable weight depending on people, coolers, etc.. just the extra weight that changes everything day to day. One day 11.6 on gauge the wave looked really good, while last sunday when the above pictures were taken, 10.8 seemed to be the ticket.
I'll admit that I'm really enjoying playing around with the weight distribution though. Learning what weight and where its placed to get the desired result depending on who is on the boat and where they're sitting. One of the biggest things I've learned this summer is weight distribution! When I had both sacs and as many people as I could get on the port side towards the rear, yes the wave was big, but very washy and short! I've learned weight distribution and bow weight, are very very important. I find myself now moving people to the bow more than I do the rear when we surf.

501s - I'm with ya on that one. I turn 34 next week and I'm all about the wakeboarding. Yeah the hard crashes suck but learning stuff on the wakeboard sure is fun when you feel that you have more to lose if you screw up. Knowing that if I face plant at 20mph vs 10 adds that extra adrenaline and thrill that I seek.

TheWoons
08-22-2012, 02:43 PM
St1cky did you buy your 25 at Texas MC? Your icon looks like a boat they had.

I wake board at 23-24mph, hit the wake much faster than that, and crashes just aren't worth it anymore :)

St1cky
08-22-2012, 02:59 PM
Yep we bought it just the way it sat from tx mc since it was mid July. We considered waiting to custom order but this boat just happened to be exactly the way I would have ordered. Love the blue and the bigger engine. :)

Nick911
08-22-2012, 04:16 PM
Yep we bought it just the way it sat from tx mc since it was mid July. We considered waiting to custom order but this boat just happened to be exactly the way I would have ordered. Love the blue and the bigger engine. :)

Post some pics in the X25's Only thread.

TheWoons
08-23-2012, 08:25 PM
Learning how to get some air today. Almost there...

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/Fins.jpg

TheWoons
08-25-2012, 06:52 PM
I have several custom Soulcraft boards coming. I can't wait for them to get done!

My Fang Tail is ready for the art work on the bottom. It's turning out SICK!

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/photo3-3.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/photo4-2.jpg

Another custom Soulcraft I have coming:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/photo1-1-1.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/photo2-1-1.jpg

And another with art work going on the bottom:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/photo1-5.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/photo2-5.jpg


Board arrived today. Couldn't be happier. It's awesome!

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/Ashton1.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/Ashton3.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/Ashton2.jpg

And another Bomb Pop I had made for my wife:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/frametastic-5.jpg

EA2010
08-25-2012, 09:11 PM
Those are definitely some rad boards, man. Nice to have some custom boards in the quiver ... fer sure!!!

JulioX2
08-25-2012, 10:34 PM
What's the price of those soulcraft boards? I'm looking at getting a new board this winter. I do alot of deck starts, so will this handle the abuse?

TheWoons
08-25-2012, 10:55 PM
Julio I'll PM you right now.

TheWoons
09-04-2012, 08:49 PM
Mike's wife has been reading 50 shades of grey so Mike decided to make a video to satisfy her needs. This is meant to be all in good fun so be nice people :)

http://youtu.be/caOST3SvSwo?hd=1

BrooksfamX2
09-04-2012, 10:30 PM
I like the red and black color scheme....not sure why......:rolleyes:

scott023
09-04-2012, 11:35 PM
I like the red and black color scheme....not sure why......:rolleyes:

I like it too, an I too have no idea why...:D

TheWoons
09-11-2012, 03:00 PM
Sep Wakesurfing in AZ with the V-Man on their X-45

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/7976964635_217e82c541_h.jpg
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TheWoons
09-17-2012, 10:02 PM
Demo'd a new X-30 today. Rockin my new Soulcraft Fangtail

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01974.jpg

My wife and her new Walker Bomb Pop

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01942.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01941.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC01959.jpg
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http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/X30.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/X30-4.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/X30-3.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/X30-2.jpg

Jonb1822
09-18-2012, 12:26 AM
Thoughts on the wake vs your x25?

TheWoons
09-18-2012, 01:06 AM
Thoughts on the wake vs your x25?

We had about 2600lbs in the X30 today. The wake wasn't as tall or as long as our 25 and the Vilands 45. It was good though. I think with 400-600lbs more weight and some tweaking it would be on par. We only run 2600-2800 in our 25 and the 30 definitely needs a bit more than our boat. Mike runs about 3000lbs in his 45. Overall we liked the 30 though.

jgraham37128
09-18-2012, 08:48 AM
Ryan, do you put your boards in the board racks on the tower?

TheWoons
09-18-2012, 09:29 AM
Soulcrafts and Walkers no, Inlands and other off the shelfs yes.

jgraham37128
09-19-2012, 05:35 PM
So where do you store them? I've noticed mine has left little divots in my Shapiro board and I was wondering if I got a soulcraft how I would store it.

JG

TheWoons
09-19-2012, 05:49 PM
So where do you store them? I've noticed mine has left little divots in my Shapiro board and I was wondering if I got a soulcraft how I would store it.

JG

We put 4-5 boards in the bow. Sometimes we leave boards on the back deck too. Plenty of room for boards on the boat. We never take more than 6 or 7 so we always have lots of room.

Double
09-20-2012, 09:14 AM
2600 lbs in excess of stock?

TheWoons
10-01-2012, 10:29 PM
2600 lbs in excess of stock?

Yes. There are a lot of guys that put 3500-4000lbs in their boats as well. You'd be surprised.

The sweet spot for the X30 has been found as well. I have a lot of pics I'll post when I get a chance.

Double
10-02-2012, 09:10 AM
Yes. There are a lot of guys that put 3500-4000lbs in their boats as well. You'd be surprised.

The sweet spot for the X30 has been found as well. I have a lot of pics I'll post when I get a chance.


looking forward to the pics. What is the set up?

atthelake
10-02-2012, 03:18 PM
[QUOTE=TheWoons;881649]Yes. There are a lot of guys that put 3500-4000lbs in their boats as well. You'd be surprised.

>3000lbs for the pro's, yes. For the Joe's just seems a little extreme. Just filling the two 350's we carry with two pumps takes 15 minutes and then we may go out 2-4 times a day. That's anywhere from 1/2 to 1 hour a day filling and draining sacks. I couldn't see myself wasting over an hour of boat time doing anymore than that. Actually, most days the sacks get filled for surfing only and only on the last run of the day.

TheWoons
11-16-2012, 07:35 PM
Surfing into winter:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC02379.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC02381.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC02385.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC02394.jpg

My wife working on her 360's

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC02396.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/DSC02414.jpg

CantRepeat
11-16-2012, 11:10 PM
Pretty sweet right there.

Today I just put air in the tires, cleaned the rims and said my final good by for the year!

Nick911
11-17-2012, 11:40 AM
Ryan you ordering a X30 or another X25?

TheWoons
11-17-2012, 11:56 AM
Nick, not sure yet. I'm waiting until the 25 sells. Decided I don't want two boats at the same time. Aside from not having a rear facing seat like the 30 I absolutely LOVE our 25. It's loaded, looks sick, has a badass stereo and the surf/wake board wakes are awesome.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/8192252909_9369c72b78_b.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/8192253327_ad4bc716a0_h.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/8192254015_94f702e240_h.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/8192254693_75721d3207_h.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/8192255579_19155425c4_h.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/8192255979_a07c50edd7_h.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/8193339296_e4c862992d_h.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/8193341090_a8233bbb81_h.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/8193340876_69b6858ea2_h.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/8193339988_9d563f8d89_h.jpg

Nick911
11-17-2012, 12:30 PM
I stressed the decision they are both great boats very hard to choose but we ended up sticking with the 25 again.

TheWoons
11-17-2012, 08:06 PM
I stressed the decision they are both great boats very hard to choose but we ended up sticking with the 25 again.

You can't go wrong with either one. I love our 25 and I love the 30 too. When do you get your new 25?

Nick911
11-17-2012, 08:39 PM
Build slot is December or early January I think. I just finalized order this week so should hear back next week as to exact production date but I know it's coming soon because all my choices are now locked in.

TheWoons
11-17-2012, 10:09 PM
Build slot is December or early January I think. I just finalized order this week so should hear back next week as to exact production date but I know it's coming soon because all my choices are now locked in.

Awesome! Post up a screen shot of the build design so we can see the colors/layout

Nick911
11-17-2012, 10:31 PM
Ya been trying have to idea how to do it. Its a Canadian Blue Flake/White Slider though with Platinum, Flint, and Navy Inside.

TheWoons
12-26-2012, 02:47 PM
Christmas Surfing? Yep

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/NewBoard.jpg

McDuff71
01-29-2013, 01:49 AM
That is a great looking wake Ryan. What set up have you got now?

TheWoons
01-30-2013, 11:52 AM
Same setup we've been running since summer. We have about 1800 in water ballast on the port side, we use the kgb and port stock ballast which is about 600lbs and we have 400lbs in lead on the starboard side bow.

TheWoons
04-04-2013, 08:37 PM
Pics from today. My wife is 6 months prego and carving it up

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/558102_10200553963307510_1683597267_n.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/Lake6.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/Lake5.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/Lake4.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/Lake3.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh295/RWoon/Lake/Lake.jpg

jbkriss
04-09-2013, 03:08 PM
Ryan, are those recent pics from your X25 or X30 and what are your pros/cons of each?
Thanks.

TheWoons
04-11-2013, 02:25 PM
The pics are all mish moshed in this thread between 25 and 30 surf wakes. There's several posts about the pros and cons of each so check out the thread and there's several threads where we've talked about both boats. You can't go wrong with either one. Both surf great and both have great wake board wakes. The 30 has a slightly better surf wake, the 25 has a better wake board wake.

addpdx
04-29-2013, 04:32 PM
This thread has been AWESOME, thanks for the pics everyone. I'm planning on putting a 450 in rear port locker and 750 under the port side. I'd love to put that 1200 under the port side but I'm worried about the hydraulic box for my power tower which is right at the rear of that space - anyone with a power tower on a '12 x25 run into that hydraulic box?
Can't wait to pick up my bags and pumps from WakeMakers.com this week, the weather in Portland is MONEY right now. Would love feedback if anyone has dealt with my situation before...

TheWoons
04-29-2013, 05:27 PM
I have that box in the 25. I just put a yoga mat over it and the sacs are fine :)

addpdx
04-29-2013, 06:51 PM
I have that box in the 25. I just put a yoga mat over it and the sacs are fine :)

So you have a 750 in the rear locker (butting up to, or going over the hydraulic box with a yoga mat on it?), a 750 under the port lounge seat, and a 3rd 750 passing by the batteries into the port bow seat?

If the 750 still works for rear locker and port lounge, I'd probably just pick up the 2x 750 + Elevate turbo pump package. Although it seems like everyone is talking about Tsunami pump, I haven't seen any opinions on that Elevate pump...

TheWoons
05-12-2013, 08:29 PM
Just got back from Powell

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/965006_10200752814598668_405962712_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/920392_10200752816718721_1429184767_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/922629_10200752821398838_767254694_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/922415_10200752831519091_1710628865_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/919827_10200752805158432_1944518871_o.jpg

Jonb1822
05-12-2013, 09:04 PM
Is the last pic the X25 or the X30?

TheWoons
05-12-2013, 09:05 PM
The last pic is Stacia Bank spine surfing. All my pics are on both the 45 and 30. I sold my X25 so it didn't go to Powell.

2013 X30 Goofy Wake:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/913723_10200752794838174_1221729168_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/913707_10200752752597118_208224141_o.jpg

Nick911
05-12-2013, 11:47 PM
Unbelievable...! What's your setup for the 30?

TheWoons
05-13-2013, 12:16 AM
Unbelievable...! What's your setup for the 30?

What's unbelievable? :) A few 900 Sacs on the port side with some lead and the factory ballast. The goofy wake is a 900sac, some lead and factory ballast.

rweaver2009
06-26-2013, 12:55 PM
trying to dial in my 2012 x25 surf wake...what works best?

hughes26
07-09-2013, 08:25 PM
Ryan, did you add any weight to the front of the X-30?

TheWoons
07-09-2013, 08:59 PM
Ryan, did you add any weight to the front of the X-30?

No weight in the front.

rweaver2009- The first page I believe has my setup for the 25.

mcLove
07-17-2013, 07:15 PM
Is that Lake Pleasant in Arizona??

TheWoons
10-23-2013, 04:53 PM
Lasts pics posted were Powell. Others are Pleasant

bhanson
10-23-2013, 11:13 PM
Ugh, just painful looking at all these Powell pics with our boat laid up for the winter. Flying turtle !!! Nice !!! My new custom Soulcraft will be done in a couple weeks, so looking forward to a SoCal trip for test ride. Supposed to snow next Tues/Wed, so still thinking warm thoughts until the mountains open for real.

lashburn1
10-29-2013, 10:34 PM
The last pic is Stacia Bank spine surfing. All my pics are on both the 45 and 30. I sold my X25 so it didn't go to Powell.

2013 X30 Goofy Wake:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/913723_10200752794838174_1221729168_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/913707_10200752752597118_208224141_o.jpg

Thanks for Sharing Mr Woons...we went to Powell this summer.... came back and Sold our 2013 Yamaha....getting a 2013 X30 6.2 with Fly Hi system pre-installed by previous owner ...
I should be all set?

TheWoons
01-22-2014, 11:51 AM
You should definitely be all set and you will love the upgrade :)

Jonb1822
01-22-2014, 11:11 PM
Woons - you still surfing at all? Seems like I recall your selling your 25.

CantRepeat
01-25-2014, 08:54 AM
I thought he bought an X30 after selling the X25.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od5rCYiyjyk

Itsme
01-26-2014, 09:39 PM
He sold his X25. The x30 he would always post about, was not even his.

JohnE
01-26-2014, 10:14 PM
He sold his X25. The x30 he would always post about, was not even his.

Strange comment. :confused:

Aric'sX15
01-26-2014, 10:28 PM
He sold his X25. The x30 he would always post about, was not even his.

pretty sure it is his 30??

Itsme
01-26-2014, 11:27 PM
No, the x30 he would refer to belongs to v-man.

Jonb1822
01-29-2014, 08:43 AM
Didn't mean to start a debate. Ha. Just wanted to ask the guy. He always seems to have some cool toys.

TheWoons
02-03-2014, 12:20 PM
I sold the 25 last year, the 30 I never claimed to be mine. We used to surf on the Vilands 30 all the time and that's what I used to post pics of. We had our second child and now we have two kids under two so we haven't hit the water at all, no time at all. We are however ordering a new boat so we will be surfing again soon :) I have this 1500hp Twin Turbo Superleggera to pass the time until we hit the water again

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31/1402061_766632250019690_1545642317_o.jpg

Aric'sX15
02-03-2014, 04:37 PM
Oh you have to post up some videos of the UR Gallardo!!!! holy crap!!! lol

TheWoons
02-03-2014, 05:04 PM
Here's 50+ more pics of it. I haven't taken too many vids but there are a few on my Instagram. I'm @ryandwoon on there

http://www.ddwpartners.com/2008-Lamborghini-Gallardo-Scottsdale-Arizona-85255/4730828

If you youtube Underground Lamborghini you will find lots of good videos

tmacx2
02-03-2014, 05:35 PM
Ryan, since your busy with the family I'd be happy to help you out and drive that car around for you. :)

TheWoons
02-03-2014, 05:40 PM
Ryan, since your busy with the family I'd be happy to help you out and drive that car around for you. :)

I'll send you my wire info and you can buy it and drive it around all you want :D

scott023
02-03-2014, 06:51 PM
I'd like to see more pics of the motor.

Aric'sX15
02-03-2014, 07:00 PM
I would have already wired you the cash, but no 6MT :(

TheWoons
02-03-2014, 07:24 PM
Scott go to the link I posted a few posts ago. There are motor pics there and some with the bumper off.

Aric manuals are fun but this car is perfect with the EGear.

dt37803
02-03-2014, 08:17 PM
I would have already wired you the cash, but no 6MT :(

Aric, Only $5900 a month for 48 months with $27500. down payment. Shoot, at that price take the auto trans. :rolleyes:

Aric'sX15
02-03-2014, 08:27 PM
Dt ill take two!!! Hahaha. Beautiful machine.

Aric'sX15
02-03-2014, 08:30 PM
Ryan you have an amazing inventory btw!

TheWoons
02-03-2014, 08:31 PM
Ryan you have an amazing inventory btw!

Thank you. I like to deal with the nicer rarer stuff when possible.

scott023
02-03-2014, 10:04 PM
Scott go to the link I posted a few posts ago. There are motor pics there and some with the bumper off.

Aric manuals are fun but this car is perfect with the EGear.

Saw them. Was just being greedy, wanting more. :D

Aric'sX15
02-03-2014, 10:27 PM
Thank you. I like to deal with the nicer rarer stuff when possible.

You have two Carrera GTs. I dont think I've ever heard of two being in the same place. Lol

TheWoons
02-04-2014, 04:48 PM
You have two Carrera GTs. I dont think I've ever heard of two being in the same place. Lol

I almost had three in my showroom :)

Aric'sX15
02-04-2014, 05:03 PM
If I'm ever in your neck of the woods I'm gonna have to stop by! ill make sure I bring a mop to clean up my drool! lol

TheWoons
02-04-2014, 06:11 PM
Sounds good. I usually have some cool stuff in my showroom. I have a mop there you can use :)

Gunford
02-06-2014, 11:27 AM
Ryan, I checked out your website. I would love to have some of those cars at my fingertips. I may need some help with an R8 when I'm ready for it in a few years. Do you export to Canada?


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TheWoons
02-06-2014, 05:39 PM
Ryan, I checked out your website. I would love to have some of those cars at my fingertips. I may need some help with an R8 when I'm ready for it in a few years. Do you export to Canada?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Yes I send cars to Canada all the time! Let me know when you're ready and I'll get you all hooked up :)

teamcanada
02-06-2014, 07:53 PM
Hey Ryan do you ever come across low mile 2012 range rover autobiography's in white?

TheWoons
02-06-2014, 10:11 PM
Hey Ryan do you ever come across low mile 2012 range rover autobiography's in white?

Yes I do. I'll PM you

Aric'sX15
02-06-2014, 10:17 PM
the new range rovers are where its at though..

TheWoons
02-07-2014, 01:56 PM
the new range rovers are where its at though..

Yep I've had a bunch. They are leaps and bounds better/nicer than the previous generation

maryyy
03-14-2014, 11:23 PM
This is my buddy Mike. He's 220lbs. I took him once last week and he made a few hits and today was his second time ever surfing. He's hooked on wake surfing to say the least. He was so stoked to ride all over wireless.

Jayhawk
03-15-2014, 12:32 AM
^^^ Tim, you missed one

TheWoons
04-10-2014, 11:27 AM
Bought a new X30. Pretty loaded up, getting the Gen 2 package right now and some other goods. We only surfed for a few days at Powell in all of 2013 so it's been almost a year and a half since we've hit the water. Pretty excited :)

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1452453_10203020136760305_7848035020779936868_n.jp g

ttu
04-10-2014, 11:35 AM
beautiful x30 woon! looking forward to seeing some surf pics!!:D:D

TheWoons
04-25-2014, 10:08 PM
First time out with it and did this with my Son who loves it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpSHOqyypdc&feature=youtu.be

hughes26
04-26-2014, 08:09 AM
Ryan let me know how the Gen2 upgrade goes. I have 2013 X-30 and I have been talking with my dealer about adding it to our boat.

TheWoons
04-26-2014, 10:28 AM
It's good. We like it a lot and it does work but you have to add more weight than just the 400lbs sacs. I added 750's in stead and another 400lbs in lead and I have even more if we want to use it.

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https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31.0-8/1965529_10203130039867814_692708039566528491_o.jpg

scott023
04-26-2014, 10:38 AM
That looks very clean. The added weight is needed. Nice work Ryan.

TheWoons
04-26-2014, 10:44 AM
Thanks Scott. We had 2900lbs total ballast and yes it will always need more weight than the "stock" stuff even with the stock gen 2. It's nice with the boat not listing at all and moving side to side instantly.

sand2snow22
04-26-2014, 10:59 AM
What RPM's are you turning and what speed?

TheWoons
04-26-2014, 11:40 AM
We always go 11.3-11.8 on the gps. Rpm I haven't looked. It's not laboring at all though

TheWoons
05-05-2014, 06:27 PM
Second shot shows the shape of the surf wake I have setup.

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https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/902423_10203199355920672_8312353549328792401_o.jpg

TheWoons
05-06-2014, 12:54 PM
Just put up a short video on my IG from yesterday @ryandwoon

Mossyrocks
05-07-2014, 08:55 AM
Did you hardline in any extra ballast? Just took our new 46 out with the gen2 and had to fill my old 750 up under the port side seat. Going to order an 1100 to replace it and would like to have it plumbed in. Maybe piggyback the kgb since the side ballasts are already piggybacked. But the line would have to from center to port, fill sac, then back across to starboard to vent/overflow.

TheWoons
05-07-2014, 01:22 PM
All the ballast is plumbed in so hit the switches and that's it

Mossyrocks
05-07-2014, 06:29 PM
Awesome, ive been bouncin it around in my head all day. Gonna make it happen. Tough luck for our goofy riders right now, only doin port.

TheWoons
05-07-2014, 07:55 PM
Video of the 2014 X30 Surf wake at 11.7-11.8mph

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejqLDZPC1Ps&feature=youtu.be

Mossyrocks
05-08-2014, 06:08 PM
All the ballast is plumbed in so hit the switches and that's it

Is it piggybacked on to the side ballast? Timer goes high enough? Or is it seperate pump, switch, plumbing?

Trying to figure out this epic failure of a surf boat.

TheWoons
05-11-2014, 12:12 AM
Here's another video of how I have our X30 setup. Shot from the driver's seat while I was driving and you can see how clean the surf wake is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNJgCTVMqKc&feature=youtu.be

And holy cow. Just looked at the start of this thread from when we first started learning how to wake surf. One full season sure makes for a lot of progression.