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Kyle
04-26-2012, 12:10 AM
Ok let's make a thread to track people's improvement over the 2012 summer. Let's make this a just for grins Team Talk competition to drive everyone to add bouys or increase speed to improve everyone's skiing ability.

Any and every skiing ability can participate. So if you are just learning or tearing up -38, let's all post up your scores and push eachother to the next level of ability.

The only rule is that we go by the honor system and try to really improve skiing ability.

One last thing I want to include......since there is only bragging rights involved and I want to see all abilities participating, bouy count doesn't mean a thing. What matters is added bouys. So if you are busting 2 at -35 and only add 3-4 bouys great job but if someone else starts out with 3 at -15 and improves to -28, that individual will win bragging rights. This is the only way to improve everyone's ability and will in courage beginners to compete against the shortliners.

If anyone wants to add ideas to this friendly competition then add your ideas.


By the way I haven't had a set since September 2011 and I know some of you have started 2012 already. Just post up where you started out at the beginning of this year.



Game on guys an gals ski hard

19_Skier
04-26-2012, 07:08 AM
Fantastic idea Kyle! I'll play along, once the boat's in :D

jamisonsbrodie
04-26-2012, 12:25 PM
Sounds Great, too bad it will take me 2 months to get back to where I was at the end of last year. I have only been out once, and it was only a free ski.

2011 PB: 3 @ 38, 34mph
2011 Tournament PB: 4 @ 35, 34 MPH
Practice average: 3 @35

FWIW, I would love to pick up 3-4 bouys this year in all 3 cases. If I could just loose 10 lbs, it would be a lot easier :)

Kyle
04-26-2012, 12:57 PM
I ski 34 mph now but am supposed to ski 36 since I'm 31 years old. I can run 36 and do every once in a while for grins but since I fractured 4 Vertabre in my back and rupsured 3 discs in my neck in 2006 I've never practiced at 36 again in fear I will go out the front again an really hurt myself again.

2006 PB 4@-35 at 36mph

2006 PB 3.5@-39.5 at 34mph crashed going into 4 and hurt my back pretty bad read above

Last year I ran 4@-38 at 34mph.


Haven't put on a ski since September or October 2011 can't remember exact date.


Let's all have fun with this friendly competition :)

Kyle
04-26-2012, 01:16 PM
I also want to say for you guys running longer line lengths.

It is extremely hard to add 3 bouys when you are running -35 and shorter. It is a LOT easier to pick up 6 or more bouys at a longer length than it is to add them at a shorter length. So this is anyone's game. Please don't be afraid or intimidated to participate knowing that we have a few guys running short line. Honestly I don't see a shortline guy winning bragging rights. I see someone either speeding the boat up or someone running -15 or -22 taking 2012 bragging rights.


Oh and for the beginners how you score speeding the boat up goes like this.

Say you can run the course but can only run it at 28mph and you progress to 32mph or 34 mph. Every pass adds bouy count for you guys because you are improving and that is all that matters here.

Kyle
04-26-2012, 01:22 PM
Sounds Great, too bad it will take me 2 months to get back to where I was at the end of last year. I have only been out once, and it was only a free ski.

2011 PB: 3 @ 38, 34mph
2011 Tournament PB: 4 @ 35, 34 MPH
Practice average: 3 @35

FWIW, I would love to pick up 3-4 bouys this year in all 3 cases. If I could just loose 10 lbs, it would be a lot easier :)

I can't believe you are skiing in that cold water up north. It's too cold still here for me in Texas and we are in the mid 80' low 90's already. I'm a baby when it comes to cold water.

jamisonsbrodie
04-26-2012, 02:48 PM
I can't believe you are skiing in that cold water up north. It's too cold still here for me in Texas and we are in the mid 80' low 90's already. I'm a baby when it comes to cold water.

Well, this year I'm really not yet, but I ski the best in cold water. My skiing goes dowhill in July/early august when the water temps go over 80, which sucks because that is exactly when regionals and nationals are. I ski the best in 65-75 degree water, as my ski rides higher and faster.

Oh, and drysuits are a must spring and fall!

mzimme
04-26-2012, 03:15 PM
I've never been on a slalom ski in my life, but I'm excited to get out there this year!

I'm not sure if the lake I go on has a slalom course or not though...

I should add that I have ski'd on two in the past, but the boat I used to have couldn't pull me up from a deepwater start on just 1. I shouldn't have that problem anymore :) For anyone that snow ski's, what should I NOT be doing on a water ski that I do on snow skis?

cbryan70
04-26-2012, 03:17 PM
One may also want to list the amount of beers consumed for each pass

mzimme
04-26-2012, 03:23 PM
One may also want to list the amount of beers consumed for each pass

Wait... you count?

cbryan70
04-26-2012, 03:27 PM
yes one case two case three case :rotf:

Boys count um Men drink um

jamisonsbrodie
04-26-2012, 04:13 PM
One may also want to list the amount of beers consumed for each pass

That is what surfing is for:D

93Prostar190
04-26-2012, 07:56 PM
I've never been on a slalom ski in my life, but I'm excited to get out there this year!

I'm not sure if the lake I go on has a slalom course or not though...

I should add that I have ski'd on two in the past, but the boat I used to have couldn't pull me up from a deepwater start on just 1. I shouldn't have that problem anymore :) For anyone that snow ski's, what should I NOT be doing on a water ski that I do on snow skis?

As an avid snow skier I have a few suggestions, some more serious than others:

Do not wear layers
Do not ride ski lifts
Understand edge change and carving
Counter rotation of the body and hips are present in both
Moguls are bad in water skiing
One ski is plenty on water
Enjoy the newer ski shapes
Thanks to boarders we have much better bindings than in years past
Get those eyes up
Expect the first run of the season soreness

And both will make you smile.

Peace.

JohnE
04-26-2012, 09:03 PM
I'm all for a slalom 2012 thread. But I've gone through some tou times the past few years on a few levels. I may not run 15 off this year. Skid twice probably each of the past two years. If this is a thread to check in after a good slalom day I'm in. If its a competition, I give

Kyle
04-26-2012, 11:55 PM
I'm all for a slalom 2012 thread. But I've gone through some tou times the past few years on a few levels. I may not run 15 off this year. Skid twice probably each of the past two years. If this is a thread to check in after a good slalom day I'm in. If its a competition, I give

It's a just for grins friendly contest to improve ones skiing ability. It is up to each individual to choose who they want to try and out ski if it comes to that. This should be a fun thread to post up a great day skiing and having fun. I'm sure some of us will try and out ski a buddy here and there but it's not ment to see who skis the shortest line length and have everyone else trying to match a shortline persons ability. This is strictly to improve everyone's ability in a fun way.

swardco
04-27-2012, 11:32 AM
Sounds fun, I'm in. I am also old and weak.

PB:

Roughly 20 years ago, 3 @ 28' off @ 36 mph.

2011 status:
First season skiing regularly since 1992. Started the season on my 25 year old Obrien TRC. On the TRC, making full pass @ 32 mph. Bought a used Radar Senate at the end of last season. On a grand total of attempts on the Senate, probably made 2 balls

I'll also add in my 16-year old son.

2011:
First time skiing more than once a year, first time attempting the course. Full pass @ 30 mph.


What do you think is the best way to track this? A public Google doc spreadsheet?

Kyle
04-27-2012, 12:55 PM
Sounds fun, I'm in. I am also old and weak.

PB:

Roughly 20 years ago, 3 @ 28' off @ 36 mph.

2011 status:
First season skiing regularly since 1992. Started the season on my 25 year old Obrien TRC. On the TRC, making full pass @ 32 mph. Bought a used Radar Senate at the end of last season. On a grand total of attempts on the Senate, probably made 2 balls

I'll also add in my 16-year old son.

2011:
First time skiing more than once a year, first time attempting the course. Full pass @ 30 mph.


What do you think is the best way to track this? A public Google doc spreadsheet?


I don't know how tracking would work. I'm a complete idiot when it comes to computers. I don't know how to do spread sheets or anything, I just do email and team talk. I have someone do all of that other stuff for me.

Phntmski
04-27-2012, 02:31 PM
:D Come on out next wed Kyle! Water temp mid to upper 70's already!:D

SkiDog
04-27-2012, 02:44 PM
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Kyle
04-27-2012, 10:14 PM
2011 summer
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Kyle
04-27-2012, 10:18 PM
Here are some others
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Kyle
04-27-2012, 10:28 PM
Are Ya Satisfied Dog?

Bouyhead
04-28-2012, 10:42 AM
Are Ya Satisfied Dog?

I can't speak for SkiDog but I am Impressed!!! I'd put put you in my sites this year but you'll have to spot me a boat load of bouys:D

_______________

Kyle
04-28-2012, 11:22 AM
I can't speak for SkiDog but I am Impressed!!! I'd put put you in my sites this year but you'll have to spot me a boat load of bouys:D

_______________

I'm always down for a friendly man to man challenge. Once we start skiing (bc I haven't yet) we can pick a week and do a ski off with a handicap. Now just how much of a handicap are you asking for now? :D

Are we talking 3 bouys or you leaning towards 15 or 20 bouys, because 20 aint happening. :D

Sullivan
04-28-2012, 11:51 AM
PB last fall was 5 at 32 off, 36 MPH. I've done this probably 10 times. I can't seem to close the deal. I get all excited at about 3 ball and say to myself "Its in the bag, count it". Then I seem to screw up. I hurt my back and took 5 weeks off this last month or so. I have skied 3 times now and I swear the time off has helped. I'm skiing pretty well right now. Maybe today is the day 32 goes down.

Fusion Rocks!

gusolah
04-28-2012, 12:29 PM
Anyone ski on a coefficient xsl? Debating on purchasing this ski or s2. I freeski more than I course ski. Any suggestions would be welcomed


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SkiDog
04-28-2012, 12:40 PM
Are Ya Satisfied Dog?

Yea, you done good!;)

93Prostar190
04-28-2012, 12:44 PM
Kyle ....... nice pics ..... in the 1st picture you look soooooooooooooooooooo early to the buoy that I am embarrased to ever post a picture of myself skiing ....... nice pics ....

I'll post some numbers on the 1st run of the year ......... hey mini-course is ok as well everyone ...... I am sure we can handicap it.

Kyle
04-28-2012, 09:44 PM
PB last fall was 5 at 32 off, 36 MPH. I've done this probably 10 times. I can't seem to close the deal. I get all excited at about 3 ball and say to myself "Its in the bag, count it". Then I seem to screw up. I hurt my back and took 5 weeks off this last month or so. I have skied 3 times now and I swear the time off has helped. I'm skiing pretty well right now. Maybe today is the day 32 goes down.

Fusion Rocks!

Well did you bag the -32 today?


I gotta idea for you that I can almost guarantee you to bag the pass.


1) find a hot chick to ride in the observer seat
2) if you run -28 she has to ride with her legs like this /\ on your -32
3) if you run the -32 she shows you these ( . )( . )

I'm pretty sure that will make you focus harder to run your pass.

Sullivan
04-28-2012, 09:59 PM
Ha! That might work.

No, I ended up deciding to pull some weads and put down some new bark before I went to the lake. I ended up breaking a down spout pipe off my gutter system so I had to dig that pipe up. It was a pain. Then I had to go to the hardware store. That took 45 minutes. Next thing I know my wife's coworkers are showing up for a little bbq.

Tomorrow my friend it goes down!

Kyle
04-28-2012, 10:09 PM
Kyle ....... nice pics ..... in the 1st picture you look soooooooooooooooooooo early to the buoy that I am embarrased to ever post a picture of myself skiing ....... nice pics ....

I'll post some numbers on the 1st run of the year ......... hey mini-course is ok as well everyone ...... I am sure we can handicap it.

Post your pics now. This thread is to help everyone get better.

As far as the pic running early. Well I have a gate that feels weird to most but if you can draw a ski course on paper and figure out how to get the most angle to 1ball then that's where you need to be. Pull out at 55m and ski down course as far as you can before setting your edge to 1ball. The hard part is not letting the boat suck you back to the course center line. You must stay out and up on the boat. I probably wait until the pylon or engine go through the gates before setting my edge. When you get wide and early to 1 then change edges and ski back towards 1 ball. I have tried to ski on the gate side of 1 and it's pretty much not ever going to happen. That is my trick. The gate and ball1 are the key to running the rest of the bouys. If you are starting late it is extremely hard to make up the time. If you start early and progressively get later the more bouys you can get. Also extreme patience at the bouy when running late to let the ski finish the turn completely can help make up lateness.


Remember ANGLE does not mean SPEED and a ski can not slow down unless it is on edge. A flat ski is a fast ski.

Kyle
04-28-2012, 10:12 PM
Ha! That might work.


Tomorrow my friend it goes down!


Well ski good and hopefully you can post up a victory pic.

Kyle
05-01-2012, 11:57 AM
How did everyone do this last weekend? I still haven't skied yet. It was really windy here last weekend.

lettmeknow
05-01-2012, 12:37 PM
Pretty much took last year off other than a few sets here and there, probably no more than 4 -5 sets last year. I think I may have run -22/34 once. Course best year before was 2@-32/34. Will be skiing alot more this year. Ill prbably ski 4 sets thsi week alone. So Im down for this thread.

Took 2 sets on Sunday only ran really slow 15's. Conditions were great!

ntidsl
05-01-2012, 01:10 PM
Okay, a five years back I was skiing a course 3-4 times a week. I've been on a course once in the last 4 years. Realistically I will put myself at 22' off 34 mph. I will do my best to get on a course 1 or 2 times this year. My goal will be running 32' off. I am stronger and in better shape than I was 5 years ago and have a much better ski. Now I just need to reach out and get invited to ski a course.

Phntmski
05-01-2012, 01:53 PM
:D hehe, I do believe all of Kyle's slalom pics are behind my boat. Come on out tomottow Kyle. :D

jamisonsbrodie
05-01-2012, 02:29 PM
Pretty much took last year off other than a few sets here and there, probably no more than 4 -5 sets last year. I think I may have run -22/34 once. Course best year before was 2@-32/34. Will be skiing alot more this year. Ill prbably ski 4 sets thsi week alone. So Im down for this thread.

Took 2 sets on Sunday only ran really slow 15's. Conditions were great!

What a site!!! Where is that? The tree protection is phenomenal!

jwroblew
05-01-2012, 02:54 PM
2009: PB 3 @ 38 off
2010: Broken Ankle
2011: PB 1.25 @ 39 off.
2012: New PB set last week 2 @ 39 off

lettmeknow
05-01-2012, 02:59 PM
What a site!!! Where is that? The tree protection is phenomenal!

Just outside of Sacramento, CA .

jamisonsbrodie
05-01-2012, 03:38 PM
2009: PB 3 @ 38 off
2010: Broken Ankle
2011: PB 1.25 @ 39 off.
2012: New PB set last week 2 @ 39 off

Since I am on the same ski as you, I should be able to get to 2@39 as well right? Guess I need to run 38 first.

Jeff Lyman
05-01-2012, 10:27 PM
I'll use this thread to track my progess this season.
2009 PB 15 off @ 32
2010, 28 off 5 bouys @ 32
2011, broke both knees Jan., skied the green bouys @ 28 twice with tears in my eyes!
2012, bought new Radar Vice and vector boots. Lost 15 lbs. legs and knees ready to rip it up. Hopeing to compete in 2013 if I can get to 32 off @ 34 is the goal, ok at 51 years young.

Kyle
05-01-2012, 10:41 PM
Since I am on the same ski as you, I should be able to get to 2@39 as well right? Guess I need to run 38 first.

Everyone should be able to run -38. It's only 6 bouys :)

jamisonsbrodie
05-02-2012, 10:10 AM
kyle's Quote: Everyone should be able to run -38. It's only 6 bouys

I can run it in my head, does that count?



Can us Northern Skiers get a handicap for our short season? kidding of course. I still haven't rounded a buoy this year.:mad:

J NORRIS
05-02-2012, 10:30 AM
I've been watching this thread........I'm in.
Have only been in the course maybe 5-6 times and made a full pass -15off@32mph.

gatorguy
05-02-2012, 11:17 AM
Just need to get on a course. Looking to pick one up, but don't want to pay a lot. (translation cheap= more gas money.)

A couple yrs ago in FL I ran 5 -15/32. But that was only with a few trys. I've never been able to practice with any kind of regularity.

EDIT: That was also behind a BU Ride on a '95 HO Turbo. Now I have a PS205 and an HO A1 and it rocks!

Kyle
05-02-2012, 11:18 AM
kyle's Quote: Everyone should be able to run -38. It's only 6 bouys

I can run it in my head, does that count?



Can us Northern Skiers get a handicap for our short season? kidding of course. I still haven't rounded a buoy this year.:mad:

I haven't skied at all either. Yesterday I dusted off the ole stick and made sure my life jacket did not shrink again.

I need a pair of gloves soon but don't know what kind I want. I am picky. Also took inventory and inspection of my ropes.


I'm right there with you

Kyle
05-02-2012, 11:20 AM
Glad to see some more guys joining the party.


Welcome guys ski hard

tlenard45
05-02-2012, 11:38 AM
Skiing today in AZ! ... This will be the 9th time out this year... open water only... no ski course till middle of the month

http://www.meetup.com/The-North-Phoenix-Die-Hard-Water-Ski-Meetup-Group/

jamisonsbrodie
05-02-2012, 02:07 PM
I need a pair of gloves soon but don't know what kind I want. I am picky. Also took inventory and inspection of my ropes.



Check out the Radar Strada gloves if you like a kevlar palm, they have been way better than the masterline and Straightlines that I use to use.

Kyle
05-02-2012, 03:59 PM
Check out the Radar Strada gloves if you like a kevlar palm, they have been way better than the masterline and Straightlines that I use to use.

Thanks

I will check into them

jwroblew
05-02-2012, 04:19 PM
Since I am on the same ski as you, I should be able to get to 2@39 as well right? Guess I need to run 38 first.

Everyone should be able to run -38 on the X7, it's an amazing ski, and it looks like your pretty close at 3@-38. Last year and this year I've taken my time before I shorten the rope. I made my self run 20 -35 off passes before I would look at 38. Ran -38 on my 6th attempt, had to shorten it to see if I could beat my previous years PB. I may not run 20 -38s before I shorten to -39 but will definitely be trying to run several more before I shorten to -39 again.

79 S@S rda
05-05-2012, 04:45 AM
You guys have really inspired me have only skied three times in my life. Bought this boat read forums and am now determined to learn to slalom. Well I got
Up on a slalom ski from deep water start for the first time yesterday evening. That was the first time ever on slalom. Now I have a question what speed to pull at while learning. And should I keep more weight on back
Foot ski was very shaky at
The tip I did manage to move between the wake not cross yet. And dam that was fun.

93Prostar190
05-05-2012, 06:07 AM
You guys have really inspired me have only skied three times in my life. Bought this boat read forums and am now determined to learn to slalom. Well I got
Up on a slalom ski from deep water start for the first time yesterday evening. That was the first time ever on slalom. Now I have a question what speed to pull at while learning. And should I keep more weight on back
Foot ski was very shaky at
The tip I did manage to move between the wake not cross yet. And dam that was fun.

Awesome dude!

Be careful, that is how the fever begins.....

coz
05-05-2012, 07:09 AM
Skiing today in AZ! ... This will be the 9th time out this year... open water only... no ski course till middle of the month

http://www.meetup.com/The-North-Phoenix-Die-Hard-Water-Ski-Meetup-Group/

Where do you guys go? I see you're in cave creek, Bartlett, Pleasant?

coz
05-05-2012, 07:11 AM
Where do you guys go? I see you're in cave creek, Bartlett, Pleasant?

Never mind, I see on your site it's Bartlett, nice pic on the front page of your site but is it still that low?

tlenard45
05-07-2012, 11:16 AM
Where do you guys go? I see you're in cave creek, Bartlett, Pleasant?

We ski Bartlett Lake 2 times a week and Lake Pleasant once a week... And a ski course 6 times a year on Lake Pleasant. My group (The North Phoenix Die Hard Waterski Meetup Group) now has 24 slalom skiers with 6 ski boats.

Bartlett Lake water level is back up to last years level :)

"Always looking for glass water" :cool:
http://www.meetup.com/The-North-Phoenix-Die-Hard-Water-Ski-Meetup-Group/

swardco
05-07-2012, 11:22 AM
Ok, we are officially in the water. Got out for the first time this year on Sat. Air temp near 80, water temp ????, but not as cold as I feared. Stayed out of the course on purpose for the first time out. Now it is two days later and man am I sore!

The season has begun!

Kyle
05-07-2012, 11:45 AM
Well I got into the lake Saturday. Still chilly to me and did not have the opportunity to ski yet. Our club put on the in his wakes program for some kiddos Saturday.

Sullivan
05-09-2012, 12:55 PM
Crap, still stuck at 5 ball at 32 off. Last two days every set I get so excited I end up blowing it.

Bouyhead
05-09-2012, 01:56 PM
I ski 34 mph now but am supposed to ski 36 since I'm 31 years old. I can run 36 and do every once in a while for grins but since I fractured 4 Vertabre in my back and rupsured 3 discs in my neck in 2006 I've never practiced at 36 again in fear I will go out the front again an really hurt myself again.

2006 PB 4@-35 at 36mph

2006 PB 3.5@-39.5 at 34mph crashed going into 4 and hurt my back pretty bad read above

Last year I ran 4@-38 at 34mph.


Haven't put on a ski since September or October 2011 can't remember exact date.


Let's all have fun with this friendly competition :)

I'm always down for a friendly man to man challenge. Once we start skiing (bc I haven't yet) we can pick a week and do a ski off with a handicap. Now just how much of a handicap are you asking for now? :D

Are we talking 3 bouys or you leaning towards 15 or 20 bouys, because 20 aint happening. :D

4 @ -38 off!!! Yikes, I'm thinking I'll need 10 bouys if your feeling that generous! Haven't run -32 off in a tourney in a few years;nagging ankle injuries. I get halfway thru -32 consistantly in tourneys and run it 60% of the time in practice. Open water skied last weekend, no course in yet might be a few weeks. Up North we're in the groove mid July? So are you going to spot this Yankee 10 bouys?:D

Kyle
05-09-2012, 01:57 PM
Crap, still stuck at 5 ball at 32 off. Last two days every set I get so excited I end up blowing it.

Come on now..... Get a good start and quit thinking about running it. Just run it.



Are you running 28 once and then moving straight to 32?

Try running some back to back 28's and make sure you are early and not squeeking by. Then try to break off a 32. Get a real good 1 ball and 2 ball. Let that ski finnish and be patient at the bouy. When you get excited and jittery you will start grabbing the handle early at the bouy and the ski will not finish the turn and you will start running narrow. Let the ski get as much angle as possible and hold what you got.


If that doesnt work then tell your wife that you are NOT allowed by TTers to have ( . )( . ) 's until you can run the -32. The last thing you want is your wife in the boat begging you to run the pass all summer ;)

Kyle
05-09-2012, 02:01 PM
Oh and cut off date starts Sunday night at sun down. Hope this lights a small fire in you to get one last bouy.

Good luck on your PB

Kyle
05-09-2012, 02:11 PM
4 @ -38 off!!! Yikes, I'm thinking I'll need 10 bouys if your feeling that generous! Haven't run -32 off in a tourney in a few years;nagging ankle injuries. I get halfway thru -32 consistantly in tourneys and run it 60% of the time in practice. Open water skied last weekend, no course in yet might be a few weeks. Up North we're in the groove mid July? So are you going to spot this Yankee 10 bouys?:D

LOL

I have to let you know on Monday. I am skiing for the first time this FRI-SUN

J NORRIS
05-10-2012, 03:04 PM
I need a fin for the HO ski, anybody got an extra? Speaking of fins, having not much experience in the course, what angle should I set my fin to? What are the preferred settings?
How about those new 2010 Radar boot and RTP on a 1983 ski:D
78694

Kyle
05-10-2012, 03:29 PM
I need a fin for the HO ski, anybody got an extra? Speaking of fins, having not much experience in the course, what angle should I set my fin to? What are the preferred settings?
How about those new 2010 Radar boot and RTP on a 1983 ski:D
78694

I have a CDX that I can measure the fin settings and post up here for you.


As far as a fin..... Call HO Sports directly and speak with Mike 1-800-938-4040


The thickness of the fins have changed over the years and you may need to take a photo of the fin block assembly so that he can match up that year the ski was made. Then he may just have a fin for you. I have nothing but GREAT things to say about their service.


As far as settings and brake settings I will have to get back to you.

jamisonsbrodie
05-10-2012, 04:02 PM
Speaking of fins, having not much experience in the course, what angle should I set my fin to? What are the preferred settings?
78694

What speed and line length are you at? IMO, if you are skiing at <34 mph and 22 off or longer, then you should go without the wing. Braking is not an issue at slower speeds and/or longer line lengths, so you are better off without it because you will carry more speed cross-course.

Kyle
05-10-2012, 04:08 PM
What speed and line length are you at? IMO, if you are skiing at <34 mph and 22 off or longer, then you should go without the wing. Braking is not an issue at slower speeds and/or longer line lengths, so you are better off without it because you will carry more speed cross-course.

I am confused.


Is he wanting a brake fin or does he need to replace his fin because he bent it or damaged the main fin.


If he is wanting a brake fin set...... well I agree leave it off until you can run the course

jamisonsbrodie
05-10-2012, 04:16 PM
I am confused.


Is he wanting a brake fin or does he need to replace his fin because he bent it or damaged the main fin.


If he is wanting a brake fin set...... well I agree leave it off until you can run the course

I was assuming he needs a whole new fin, but when he asked about "angle" i figured he was referring to the wing.

J NORRIS
05-10-2012, 04:29 PM
BRAKE FIN. When I did ski the course last year, I was carrying too much speed into the turns. After I found my fin for my old ski, I was able to make a full pass at 32mph@-15off. And that speed felt very slow to me. I just put the fin on, and did not really pay attention to the angle, went with one of the scribed lines already on the fin. Then I adjusted it more downward and felt the ski was dragging. Thats were I left off last year. At 32mph, it felt real slow after free skiing at 36mph. It felt like I was sinking in the turns going that slow. I worked on counter-rotating in the turns and that really helped with slack in the line. I have not hit the water yet, so this is what I remembered from last year. After I get a chance to run the course this year, I will have a better feel for things. Plus I'm in a lot better shape than last year, so I'm hoping I can ski more sets per outing.
I don't have a brake fin/wing for the HO ski.
Thanks for the number Kyle, I will call and get me one on the way.
And I am referring to the angle of the brake fin, and what are y'all preferred settings. On the HO I see I can adjust the big fin forward, back and how deep the fin rides in the front or in the back of the fin. I hope all of this made since.

J NORRIS
05-10-2012, 05:16 PM
Thanks for the name and number Kyle, they hooked my up, no charge!

jamisonsbrodie
05-11-2012, 10:19 AM
I finally got to chase some bouys yesterday. Air was 72, water was mid-60's. Windy and had to deal with wallys, but skied none the less. Ran up the rope to 1 @ 35, then couldn't run 32 again, partly due to conditions, but mainly due to my depth perception being off, as I kept skiing over the balls. Felt GREAT to get out there finally and I am stoked to run 38 this year, and my D3 X7 is going to take me there!!!! Skiing on public water sucks, but most of the time, I don't have a choice. Too bad I have wait 7 weeks until my first tourney.

Kyle
05-11-2012, 11:21 AM
Thanks for the name and number Kyle, they hooked my up, no charge!

Yeah they are good guys. Real good service. You should have it Monday or Tuesday.

As far as setting it 9* will work.



Does anyone know if there is a printable brake gauge so we can print off and laminate or something to make a gauge set.

Kyle
05-11-2012, 11:24 AM
I finally got to chase some bouys yesterday. Air was 72, water was mid-60's. Windy and had to deal with wallys, but skied none the less. Ran up the rope to 1 @ 35, then couldn't run 32 again, partly due to conditions, but mainly due to my depth perception being off, as I kept skiing over the balls. Felt GREAT to get out there finally and I am stoked to run 38 this year, and my D3 X7 is going to take me there!!!! Skiing on public water sucks, but most of the time, I don't have a choice. Too bad I have wait 7 weeks until my first tourney.

Well you are putting the fire under me. I think I will ski my first 2012 set tonight. For sure tomorrow. We are dealing with rain today but I may be able to get a set in.

jamisonsbrodie
05-11-2012, 11:26 AM
Does anyone know if there is a printable brake gauge so we can print off and laminate or something to make a gauge set.

Here you go:



http://goode.com/wstfinadj.htm#download

mzimme
05-11-2012, 02:14 PM
Can someone point me to a decent ski rope/handle? I'm not really sure what to look for with these. I saw this one, liked the price but unsure of quality.

http://www.amazon.com/Full-Throttle-Ski-Tow-Rope/dp/B001TKJHBS/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

I'm very much a beginner at this, so I'm not looking to spend 100+ on some rope at this point.

Kyle
05-12-2012, 10:31 PM
Well I skied for the first time today in 2012.

Set #1 I ran 2@-35

Set #2 I ran 4@-35

I can deal with those numbers for now

Sullivan
05-12-2012, 11:10 PM
What speed Kyle, either way for a first set of the year thats awesome.

I can't seem to get past 32, I keep getting to 4 and 5 ball, but can never even round 5 and be able to get a shot at 6 without taking a huge hit from the slack I created by pulling too long. Starting to get frustrated. The wife and kids came to the lake today with me though so I didn't sweat it too much. Just enjoyed the weather, my ski buddies and my family. Great day.

jamisonsbrodie
05-12-2012, 11:47 PM
[QUOTE=Sullivan;838653]What speed Kyle, either way for a first set of the year thats awesome.

I can't seem to get past 32, I keep getting to 4 and 5 ball, but can never even round 5 and be able to get a shot at 6 without taking a huge hit from the slack I created by pulling too long. Starting to get frustrated. The wife and kids came to the lake today with me though so I didn't sweat it too much. Just enjoyed the weather, my ski buddies and my family. Great day.[/QUOTE


My guess is that you aren't getting your ski out from underneath you and you are running later and later from ball 1 on. Try to get your shoulders back as early as possible and your hips up coming off the ball and get as much pull as possible until the second wake. As soon as you pass the second wake, you need to get your ski out from underneath you and allow it to cast out wide and it will roll onto the inside edge on its own. It is sort of like a slingshot, load from the ball to the wakes, then release from the wakes to the ball. It has been the hardest thing for me to learn, but it is the only way to progress from 32 on. Watch the pros and see where they release. It all starts with your shoulders and hips......shoulders back and hips up and handle low.

Sullivan
05-13-2012, 12:00 AM
YES....exactly what I was just thinking about. I was just watching some videos of CP and was watching his handle control and how he allows the ski to roll out away from him on its own. I think I am forcing the turn and comming off the handle way to soon.

Thanks for the advice. Maybe I'll get someone to shoot a video tomorrow.

Sullivan
05-13-2012, 12:07 AM
Here is the video I was watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THm4Sjjrrz4

jamisonsbrodie
05-13-2012, 12:11 AM
The female pros are the best to watch imo, because they are skiing at 34, and they are using much more finesse. CP is awesome, but he is so tall and so strong that it is impossible to emulate him. Nate Smith has by far the best technique right now and i believe he will be the one to beat for awhile. They way he gets his ski out wide so quick is amazing.

Watch April coble eller on youtube and you will see it at 34.

jamisonsbrodie
05-13-2012, 12:14 AM
Here is the video I was watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THm4Sjjrrz4

Yes, exactly. Great video.

madcityskier
05-13-2012, 12:40 AM
Can someone point me to a decent ski rope/handle? I'm not really sure what to look for with these. I saw this one, liked the price but unsure of quality.

http://www.amazon.com/Full-Throttle-Ski-Tow-Rope/dp/B001TKJHBS/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

I'm very much a beginner at this, so I'm not looking to spend 100+ on some rope at this point.

Should work fine. Handles like that are great for grip, but can be a little tough on the hands. If you're planning on a lot of sets and don't usually wear gloves it might nit hurt to consider a pair, or a different handle. If you're trying to ski a fair amount I would recommend the gloves. The down side is once you start using them you feel like you have to have them or else something is wrong.

Sullivan
05-13-2012, 10:02 AM
Check this thread out on BOS: Exactly what I am doing, coming off the handle, throwing the handle out there. I need to stay on the handle, keep it down, and let the ski role out.

Good thread with some good stuff in it: finally-figured-out-why-i-lose-the-connection-between-my-core-and-the-handle

Kyle
05-14-2012, 01:48 AM
Sullivan

I run 34mph. 16.95 mostly. I was running 16.93-16.97 on the stargazer.

Kyle
05-16-2012, 10:50 AM
Ok it's hump day.

How has everyone's week been?

How is everyone doing behind the boat?

swardco
05-16-2012, 03:43 PM
Haven't been out for almost 2 weeks. Hoping to get out Friday if the weather allows, could be windy

Phntmski
05-17-2012, 09:17 AM
Off to a slow start. Yesterday was by far the best of the year, good conditions, boat is dialed in. I've prob had about 6 sets prior to yesterday. Yesterday was the first time I felt like I was skiing and not just along for the ride. Really trying to think about technique and not buoy count just yet.

@17.93 - 2/2 -15, 4/4, -22
@16.95 - 3/6 -15

I'm heavier than I've ever been :(, trying to drop 10-15lbs!

jamisonsbrodie
05-17-2012, 10:11 AM
Brutal start to the season. I have still only been out once, and the forecast is windy for the next 3 days, which probably means no bouy chasing for me until Monday. Last year at this time I probably had 20-25 sets in me. I wish I had more course options for different winds, as our setup is blown out with a north wind @5+ and south wind @ 10+ mph.

lettmeknow
05-21-2012, 01:05 PM
Sunday ran my first 22/34 of the year. Took a crack at 28 but only got out to 1ball. Condsitions were great!

jamisonsbrodie
05-21-2012, 02:19 PM
Nice! that is how our lake looked this morning. I should have stayed out there. Got my usual 2 @ 35, so not bad for 2nd outing of the season but form was terrible...shoulders forward, hips back, but oh so fun!!!!! water 64 degrees.

Kyle
05-21-2012, 03:42 PM
Well I had the worst sets of the year over the weekend.

Set 1: I ran 1@-35 and that frustraded me

Set 2: I stuffed the ski into the wake going to 4 ball at -32 and went cart wheeling end over end and had my 2 bouys inbetween my legs smacked around. I tell you guys, it felt so amazing that I just took my ski off and drank beer the rest of the day. Seriously I felt that my right bouy had been deflated or lets say destroyed.

I feel much better today

Kyle
05-21-2012, 03:43 PM
Sunday ran my first 22/34 of the year. Took a crack at 28 but only got out to 1ball. Condsitions were great!

That looks like a real nice place to go play.

Sullivan
05-21-2012, 05:36 PM
Sunday ran my first 22/34 of the year. Took a crack at 28 but only got out to 1ball. Condsitions were great!

Thats what I call a Wind Brake! That hedge of trees or what ever it is, is thick!

Bouyhead
05-22-2012, 07:03 AM
Can't seem to get in a groove here in the Northeast. Getting in two ski rides a week, just free skiing and doing drills, everyday feels like my firsst day out! Put the course in over the weekend but got blown out. Looks like you got a little breathing room Kyle!;)

____________

Kyle
05-22-2012, 11:42 PM
Just got in from skiing with phntmski.


Ran 4 at -35 again. It was glassed out. This is only my 6th set of the year.

Sullivan
05-22-2012, 11:46 PM
I'm going to run 32 before you run that 35, that is if the darn weather would help me out a little. Its been pooring here.

Sullivan
05-28-2012, 12:49 AM
Ran my 32 off pass today! Finally, what a relief. I almost ran it a second time and blew it at 5 ball from comming off the handle way to soon, otherwise the pass was better than the one I ran.

Damn I feel good right now.

Kyle
05-29-2012, 05:55 PM
Ran my 32 off pass today! Finally, what a relief. I almost ran it a second time and blew it at 5 ball from comming off the handle way to soon, otherwise the pass was better than the one I ran.

Damn I feel good right now.

Dude that is fantastic. Congrats

I'm header right now to the lake with a little more motivation because of you.

Sullivan
05-29-2012, 06:05 PM
Get R Done!

Kyle
05-29-2012, 08:36 PM
Skiing sucked today.

I had great water and some guys that can put some pressure on me.

Pass1 ran -22
Pass2 ran -28
Pass3 ran -32
Pass4 while rounding 2@-35 something in my back tweaked and I didn't even try for 3 ball. Just tossed the handle and got back in the boat. I tweaked it last week while riding in the truck down the highway and it felt better 2 days later. This happened 7 days ago. I think I have a something that is easily irritated. Who knows. It will feel better when it quits hurting.

Sullivan
05-29-2012, 08:43 PM
Sorry to hear that Kyle. Back issues suck. I am just now starting to feel back to normal after about 2 months of having an injured back.

shepherd
05-29-2012, 09:00 PM
Congrats on the -32 Sullivan! I remember my first -32 pass, not too long ago, it was awesome. Unfortunately, I've only been able to do it again a few times since.


Best pass tonight: 2.5 at 32 off, 34 mph

jwroblew
05-30-2012, 03:33 PM
last night skied one set ran back to back 28s, 32s, 35s and one 3.5 at 38. was killing the 38 too but decided to pull to long into 4. I guess I'll have another go this week.

Sullivan
05-31-2012, 12:03 AM
Nice Work JWROBLEW. Impresive skiing.

Kyle
05-31-2012, 12:26 AM
last night skied one set ran back to back 28s, 32s, 35s and one 3.5 at 38. was killing the 38 too but decided to pull to long into 4. I guess I'll have another go this week.

Mighty fine skiing right there now. Good job

jwroblew
05-31-2012, 09:12 AM
Thanks, Kyle and Sullivan, hopefully my weather will start to cooperate and I can start running that 38.

shepherd
06-01-2012, 11:22 AM
5/29 : 2.5 @ -32

5/31 : 4 @ -32

Kyle
06-05-2012, 04:01 PM
I just ran a real ugly -35 today.

I had a terrible gate, and every bouy was a war the entire way down. I body slammed every turn and made it look ugly. I took a video and I still am in shock that I ran the pass. I had ideal glass conditions and that was the only pretty thing about the vid.

76S&S
06-05-2012, 04:17 PM
I just ran a real ugly -35 today.

I had a terrible gate, and every bouy was a war the entire way down. I body slammed every turn and made it look ugly. I took a video and I still am in shock that I ran the pass. I had ideal glass conditions and that was the only pretty thing about the vid.

Maybe you should ski in rougher water.........:D

DooSPX
06-05-2012, 07:06 PM
Maybe you should post the video Kyle! :)

Kyle
06-06-2012, 01:08 AM
Maybe you should post the video Kyle! :)

How do u post vid.

It was major scrap. If you want to see big time war fighting throught the course then we can post.

LittleFuss
06-06-2012, 02:00 AM
I would love just to be able to ski a course locally...nearest is 2.5 hours away in Shreveport...Have not skiid a course since I was 19...

jwroblew
06-06-2012, 10:42 AM
5 @ 38 last night, might have been 4.5 depending on the judge.

JD6
06-07-2012, 10:35 AM
Hey everyone, new to the forum and fairly new to the course but count me in. Started last August and was making full passes at -15, 30mph fairly consistently by the end of Sep. Just started speeding the boat up this year and set a new PB of 4 at -15, 34mph last time I skied with Kyle.

So Kyle, I need your expert guidance to get me that full pass at 34...I'm really looking forward to trying -22!

Kyle
06-08-2012, 04:04 AM
Hey everyone, new to the forum and fairly new to the course but count me in. Started last August and was making full passes at -15, 30mph fairly consistently by the end of Sep. Just started speeding the boat up this year and set a new PB of 4 at -15, 34mph last time I skied with Kyle.

So Kyle, I need your expert guidance to get me that full pass at 34...I'm really looking forward to trying -22!

I will help you get to where you want to go buddy.

Welcome to TT. It's a lot of fun

Sullivan
06-08-2012, 10:04 AM
JD6,
Yeah, Welcome to the course too. Damn thing is addictive. I have buoys on the brain 24/7.

Congrats Kyle on running your 35. I have not ran another 32, been skiing like crap. Can't stop counting buoys now.

JD6
06-08-2012, 11:30 AM
Sullivan, you got that right...it's a major addiction! I definitely have the bug!

Kyle, sounds good. Looking forward to getting out again!

Thanks for the welcome guys. Looks like a good place to challenge each other and track progress.

shepherd
06-08-2012, 12:07 PM
5/29 : 2.5 @ -32

5/31 : 4 @ -32

6/3: 5 @ -28, tweaked my back :mad:

Kyle
06-08-2012, 12:34 PM
5/29 : 2.5 @ -32

5/31 : 4 @ -32

6/3: 5 @ -28, tweaked my back :mad:

Dang shepherd.

How's it feeling after 5 days of rest

swardco
06-08-2012, 03:27 PM
First time through the course today. Nothing to report, one pass, 15 off, very slow....

Best thing to report is that I did ski over my lunch hour.... :-)

madcityskier
06-08-2012, 05:07 PM
First time through the course today. Nothing to report, one pass, 15 off, very slow....

Best thing to report is that I did ski over my lunch hour.... :-)

Skiing at lunch? You win. Doesn't matter how it went.

jamisonsbrodie
06-08-2012, 07:14 PM
Skied my usual, 2@35. I am stuck there. This skiing once a week stuff doesn't work. Lot's of wallys out today though.

macattack
06-09-2012, 09:16 PM
Bio/stats: Mac, 57, Goode Mid-Ride, 63.75", 168 amps, LFF, 34.2 mph...

Normal practice set: Start -28 and run up the line like a tournament, then work on -35 since I do not run it consistently...before I finish the set, try few -38 passes.

Previous practice PB, 3.5 @ 38, 12 Apr 2012

New PB today, 4.5 @ 35, but not off the dock...28, 32, 35, 1 @ 38, 1 @ 38, 4.5 @ 38...should have run it, but got too excited when I got to #5 and overturned it, argh! Unfortunately, had boat traffic, so that was the end of the set. Looking forward to the next time out! Definitely, an addicting sport! later, mac

Sullivan
06-10-2012, 09:45 PM
Nice Mac, those are some stats to be proud of. Keep it up and that 38 will go down.

My weekend started with taking my boat to my first INT tournament. I usually only go to AWSA tournaments. Anyway, I had fun but skied like garbage. First set fell at 1 ball, 28 off. 2nd set was this morning, fell at 2 ball, 22 off! Choked! Felt like crap about myself leaving the lake so I went to my home lake and pulled my wife and ski partner. Then I skied, felt like I had to redeem myself. Off the dock, 1 at 35!

This sport can get in your head, I am my worst enemy sometimes.

macattack
06-11-2012, 08:34 AM
@sullivan...tks, I agree that half of this sport is in your head...that's why dry landing can be so beneficial in helping create muscle memory...the more the better! Tournaments are always tougher...back to trying to make your tournament environment the same as your "home" lake. Nothing new here...get to know your boat drivers, scorers, dock starters, your peer group of skiers, etc. Do your normal warm up routine, start with a pass that you run 100% of time, and focus! All easier said than done! We have all blown are opening passes at some point! I'll let you know the results of my first tournament of the season this Wed...later, mac

PS: My challenge is practicing behind PP/SG and skiing ZO in tournaments, argh! However, I did just upgrade my boat with the Z-box, still tweaking it!

jamisonsbrodie
06-11-2012, 10:21 AM
[QUOTE=macattack;847823PS: My challenge is practicing behind PP/SG and skiing ZO in tournaments, argh! However, I did just upgrade my boat with the Z-box, still tweaking it![/QUOTE]

Try training with pp 6.5, with a 1992 PS 190. Talk about a soft pull. Drastically different than a new boat ZO.

Sullivan
06-11-2012, 08:29 PM
Had another good set today. 2 at 35! I focused on skiing really wide on my 15, 22 and somewhat on my 28 off. This seemed to help me slow things down and be more patient at the ball. Realy wanted to be on edge hard from boat spray to boat spray.

Jamison,
You can come ski with us any day, just have to get out here.....:) or maybe Zero Off will come out with this new setting that might simulate PP a little better.

macattack
06-12-2012, 07:37 AM
Good on ya Sullivan! I have been focusing on my gates lately, higher up on the boat, slower turn in, and max "lean" behind the boat results in better angle and slower at #1. Now just have to duplicate it each time!

Patience at the ball is one of my hardest things to do; I always want to load too early vs waiting for the ski to finish its turn.

Also had a good set yesterday...28, 32, 35, 2.5 @ 38 off the dock; then ran 4 @ 38 and then 3 more 35s...a happy camper! mac

shepherd
06-12-2012, 11:09 PM
5/29 : 2.5 @ -32

5/31 : 4 @ -32

6/3: 5 @ -28, tweaked my back :mad:

Dang shepherd.

How's it feeling after 5 days of rest

Better, thanks. I decided to take a step back and concentrate more on trying to improve my posture and less on getting around the balls. Time to stop abusing my body. I don't think it can take much more of this ****.

I ran multiple -22 passes tonight and then a few -28 passes on my last set. Best pass tonight: 6 @ -28. Didn't even try the green rope.

Phntmski
06-29-2012, 11:21 AM
Finally made first -28 of the year. I'm really feeling like I'm just now beginning to ski. Stuck in the ski once a week rut tho. Changed to an A1 late last year. That thing turns on a rail. Considering that, I think it's just taken me time to adjust to the grip the ski has around the buoy. It holds the water so tight I think I was just along for the ride, trying to figure how aggressive I can ski. I did take a little brake out of the wing for more speed behind the boat. Not doing much with actual times, mostly in 17.18 range. Looking for rhythm. Feeling better.

macattack
07-10-2012, 06:53 PM
@ Phntmsk, congrats on your first -28 this yr; especially, since you are only skiing once a week; tough to find consistency with limited time on the water!


Bump, how's everyone else doing????

Sullivan
07-10-2012, 07:07 PM
Been pretty inconsistant since getting back from vacation. But...I ran 32 again today.

kjohnson
07-11-2012, 07:56 AM
I ski 34 mph now but am supposed to ski 36 since I'm 31 years old. I can run 36 and do every once in a while for grins but since I fractured 4 Vertabre in my back and rupsured 3 discs in my neck in 2006 I've never practiced at 36 again in fear I will go out the front again an really hurt myself again.

2006 PB 4@-35 at 36mph

2006 PB 3.5@-39.5 at 34mph crashed going into 4 and hurt my back pretty bad read above

Last year I ran 4@-38 at 34mph.


Haven't put on a ski since September or October 2011 can't remember exact date.


Let's all have fun with this friendly competition :)

Just curious, was this a ski accident?

19_Skier
07-11-2012, 09:20 AM
Just started to learn slalom skiing this summer. So far, got my gate at 28 mph, wasn't really trying for anything but my driver dragged me through. I may try for a couple of balls this weekend.

Sullivan
07-11-2012, 10:04 AM
Wow Kyle, I can't believe I missed the above post you had describing your injury. What the heck happened? That sounds scary bad. Glad to hear your back at it.

jwroblew
07-11-2012, 10:15 AM
Ran two 38' offs in the same set for the first time ever, I was very pleased.

My 8 year old daughter ran 5 @ 28 MPH, after completely crushing 26 MPH. This made me even happier than my two 38's!

macattack
07-11-2012, 10:54 AM
@jwroblew, very impressive for both of you!! Congrats! mac

Kyle
07-13-2012, 03:20 PM
Just curious, was this a ski accident?

Yes stuffed the ski into the wake at -39 and went out the front. My heels hit my ears. Then I rolled on my back trying to get comfortable still skimming on my back and my head caught the water snapping my head back causing the neck injury. I'll never be that good again.

Kyle
07-13-2012, 03:23 PM
Ran 2@-38 yesterday. Felt food to finally get back into short line.

wtrskr
07-13-2012, 04:25 PM
Yes stuffed the ski into the wake at -39 and went out the front. My heels hit my ears. Then I rolled on my back trying to get comfortable still skimming on my back and my head caught the water snapping my head back causing the neck injury. I'll never be that good again.

I just started another thread asking about opinions on dropping down to 34 mph at age 35. If you are dropping down to 34 mph before age 35 for safety reasons that might be the answer to my question.

DooSPX
07-13-2012, 04:36 PM
How is the skiing going Kyle? Also, how is that secret prop test w/ Eric?

Kyle
07-13-2012, 07:10 PM
I just started another thread asking about opinions on dropping down to 34 mph at age 35. If you are dropping down to 34 mph before age 35 for safety reasons that might be the answer to my question.

I have more control at 34. I'm on the wreck less abandon side at 36.

I would chop to 34 from now on unless you are skiing tournaments. You technically have to ski 36 until after nationals 2012.

If you have no plans on skiing tournaments lower the speed and get used to it.

ntidsl
07-13-2012, 07:17 PM
First time on course in 3 years. Second time on course in 5 years. 34mph...ran 15 off twice, mess around with 22 off which I always hated then ran four at 28 off. I was tired and had to quit...lol...

Can I get in the running?

Kyle
07-13-2012, 07:17 PM
How is the skiing going Kyle? Also, how is that secret prop test w/ Eric?

I'm only getting to ski 1 day per week so it is extremely hard to get any better.

Prop test well I'm trying to decide.

Smoothness is great by both brands. Wake is different and top end is different. It's hard for me to nitpick the two to death bc I kinda shut up and ski.

Kyle
07-13-2012, 07:18 PM
First time on course in 3 years. Second time on course in 5 years. 34mph...ran 15 off twice, mess around with 22 off which I always hated then ran four at 28 off. I was tired and had to quit...lol...

Can I get in the running?

Everyone is included.

Good skiing :)

ntidsl
07-13-2012, 07:24 PM
It was sloppy but i made all my gates :)

I wish I could get a course once a week!!! Lucky you!

What happened to open water courses...jeez...those were the days!

DooSPX
07-13-2012, 07:40 PM
didn't Eric do something to the 13.7 x 17.5 ? Wasn't he working on a prop for you?

Kyle
07-13-2012, 08:25 PM
didn't Eric do something to the 13.7 x 17.5 ? Wasn't he working on a prop for you?

Yes he grinded the backside to make it thinner. That is why I am .7 mph faster w OJ.

Now I'm nitpicking the wake difference. So still in testing. Weather has been really windy and 1 time per week does not give me a true reading to speak about one over the other.

Sullivan
07-13-2012, 09:21 PM
Nice skiing guys. Tournament tomorrow at my home lake so I am praying for some good scores.

Kyle
07-13-2012, 10:19 PM
Nice skiing guys. Tournament tomorrow at my home lake so I am praying for some good scores.

Don't forget to add good water and no wind to your prayer list.

DJ 50
07-14-2012, 03:42 AM
If I am going to attempt the course for the first time, what should I be starting out as far as my speed goes?

macattack
07-14-2012, 09:11 AM
@DJ50, may be a hard one to answer...depends on your weight, brand of ski, your comfort level outside the course/free skiing rythmn...the key is not too fast or so slow you are bogging down. I wouldn't worry about the buoys per se, definitely forget about the gates; start outside #1 and try to set up a nice rythmn through the course, don't worry about going around the buoys, inside the buoy is fine at this point. It is all about learning the proper form/stacked position...the rest will follow. Have fun! mac

PS: You do realize, once you enter the course you are forever addicted!

DooSPX
07-14-2012, 03:41 PM
Yes he grinded the backside to make it thinner. That is why I am .7 mph faster w OJ.

Now I'm nitpicking the wake difference. So still in testing. Weather has been really windy and 1 time per week does not give me a true reading to speak about one over the other.

Can't wait to hear the results of the wake test. I have always heard from hard core slalom guys that the OJ has better wake characteristics. One reason I bought the OJ, and the fact that Eric is a great guy, even to bs a little bit.

Jeff Lyman
07-15-2012, 05:03 PM
Hey Doo did you get a plate on that MC yet? If not and you decide to do it go with a manual plate were finding we never put the plate up only when my son wake boards. Kind of a wast of money nd time for all the hydralic stuff.

I skied Sat behind a stock 1988 Prostar 190. Wow I must say my 93 has a huge wake diffrence, its not even close.

DooSPX
07-15-2012, 11:53 PM
Its still on my list to try, Jeff!

Kyle
07-19-2012, 05:22 PM
How is everyone's week going????

Last night our club held its weekly Wed night Ski League. We have 8 skiers who get 2 sets each and if time is permitting the driver, coach (ME), and prez then get a set in.

I ran -28 off the dock, then -32, -35, and 1@-38. Since it was getting dark fast I gave up my last 2 passes so that our prez could have some fun. All and all it was a great evening with great water. It is so rewarding to watch people improve from week to week knowing that they are learning something from my coaching. So far this year I have taken someone from -15@34 to 4@-32. It is so nice to feel like I am giving something back to the sport....


Tonight I am headed to eat dinner and have a few Margaritas, then head out to sky ski for some off course fun around 7. Hopefully I can land a few wake rolls and maybe a back roll or gainer or two :)

Kyle
07-19-2012, 05:35 PM
This thread needs pics so start posting them up...... Just Sayin'

allycat
07-20-2012, 05:49 AM
reckon some pictures would be great its winter here and can only dream of skiing

Ben
07-20-2012, 07:20 AM
So far this year I have taken someone from -15@34 to 4@-32. It is so nice to feel like I am giving something back to the sport....

I need to find a club close by. I'm stuck on public lake and not much time for good water. Huge difference between the lucky guy who gets the 1st glass pass and all others....

macattack
07-20-2012, 08:17 AM
How is everyone's week going????

Not good:mad:...into my second week with pneumonia...going stir crazy since I'm on the "do nothing" orders from the doc!

Apparently, I had it when I skied my last tournament...4.5 @ 35:)

JD6
07-23-2012, 06:28 PM
It is so nice to feel like I am giving something back to the sport....




It's nice to have you giving back too! I'm bummed I missed last wednesday's ski league but I extended my PB to 4@-22 a couple weeks ago. Now get me to -28, Kyle! See ya wednesday.

aswinter05
07-23-2012, 06:56 PM
I consider myself a beginner at skiing. I've known how to slalom for a while, but have only been skiing regularly this season. My ENTIRE family is amazing at slalom skiing because they have done it all their lives.

I'm strictly an open water skier right now. I'm just not lucky enough to be around slalom courses to give it a try. I feel pretty confident on a ski at this point but I can't seem to cut really hard and create that MASSIVE spray (man do I envy a huge spray). I'll give myself a little bit of credit... I can "spray" better than the average bear.

My question for all you slalom studs out there.... How do you do it?? What is your technique??? Try and help me through the motions and maybe even recommend a couple good drills for me to practice spraying. Don't leave a fellow slalom newbie behind! Currently I'm skiing with a 2011 HO Triumph, a ProStar 209, and 15 ft. off the line. I won't be changing any of my equipment so PLEASE don't make that a suggestion ;) lol Does line length make much of a difference in spraying?

Sullivan
07-23-2012, 10:21 PM
Hips Forward Shoulders Back. Keep your knees bent and pull from boat spray to boat spray. Practice, practice and practice some more. No drills, just lots of practice cutting through the wakes and making nice and smooth turns with the focus on the above.

Good luck and pray to the slalom spray gods.

JJMorris3
07-23-2012, 11:29 PM
My turns improved when I began to look up far across the wake coming out of my turn. Kind of like trying to find the next buoy. Lean hard away from boat and pull across the wake on edge. Don't hesitate crossing and no bending at the waist. Bend knees to absorb wake if needed. It cuts nicely if you are aggressive. Then start your next turn soon after crossing, and transfer into turn as though you are coming around a buoy that is beyond where you can reach. Look up and across the wake as you pull and lean away from the boat again and cross on edge. Big spray comes from transition into turn soon after crossing the wake, at speed, and then the look up and across, and pulling.

Kyle
07-24-2012, 11:21 AM
To create a big spray first off dont try to make one, it just happens...

Second, dont lean back and tail ride the ski. This will only make a small spray.

To generate a huge wall of water you need to be up on the middle of the ski and really crank it around a pretend bouy and go straight across the wakes.

aswinter05
07-24-2012, 11:46 AM
you guys are awesome! Appreciate the great advice and can't wait to hit the water this weekend so I can put them into practice. Keep the advice coming!

gatorguy
07-24-2012, 04:41 PM
Spent the week at lake Powell with a borrowed course. Set it up day one and skied it AM & PM daily. Could hardly make three balls the first day, but by the end of the trip I was running back to back to back passes of 15' @32. My body was quite the traitor by the end of the week. My legs didn't hurt, but my back is just thrashed, andthe skin on my hands, feet, and back leg calf are all raw. I can hardly walk. I think if I had 3xweek access to a course I could actually improve.

One thing that blew my mind was what an attractive nusence those little balls are. It seemed like people came from all over to float/drive around in my course. It was in really shallow water with trees sticking up on both sides at the very right end of last chance. In one weeks time we lost 2 balls (the course not me) and someone hit a boom arm with their out drive and broke it. I spliced it with a broom handle and hose clamps and duct tape.

Chasing those 6 little balls gives new meaning to my skiing life. It's like crack, I just need more. And besides, now in open water I don't know when, where, or why to turn.

gatorguy
07-25-2012, 01:00 AM
This is what I came away with for all my efforts. It hurt just to look at it. Every time I skied it felt like someone was stabbing me with a knife. Any idea how to minimize this? I've been averaging twice a week prior to this trip, and I had another 1 wk trip just a month before this one.

By the way, this is from the spray.

gatorguy
07-25-2012, 02:13 AM
Here is some video of one of my passes at the start of the week. Any comments would be helpful.

http://youtu.be/NtnqKdfwf5E

Thanks

macattack
07-25-2012, 08:10 AM
This is what I came away with for all my efforts. It hurt just to look at it. Every time I skied it felt like someone was stabbing me with a knife. Any idea how to minimize this? I've been averaging twice a week prior to this trip, and I had another 1 wk trip just a month before this one.

By the way, this is from the spray.

People may make fun of you:D, but this spray guard will protect your leg...

http://www.bartswatersports.com/catalog/Wetsuits/Wetsuit_Accessories/Body_Guard_Neo_Spray_leg/index.asp

19_Skier
07-25-2012, 09:41 AM
People WILL make fun of you:D, but this spray guard will protect your leg...


Fixed it for ya!

As far as the video, that is a beautiful spot but I'm not sure how much feedback you will get on the skiing with that camera angle.

jamisonsbrodie
07-25-2012, 10:15 AM
the only thing I could tell was that you need to keep your ski on edge more through the wakes. I noticed a flat ski crossing the wakes sometimes. Keep it on edge and pull all the way through the wakes. You will be earlier and wider this way.

jwroblew
07-25-2012, 02:15 PM
Here is some video of one of my passes at the start of the week. Any comments would be helpful.

http://youtu.be/NtnqKdfwf5E

Thanks

You definitely need to keep your ski on edge more every where. It is really noticeable when you turn your offside, 2 and 4, you have decent edge on the ski and then you can see it roll to almost a flat ski before you get to the first wake. Looks like your loading to early / to hard and can't hold the angle. I tell my daughter to think about pulling progresivly, you should feel about 10% of max load at the finish of your turn, at the 1st wake 80% to 100%, behind the boat 100%, than maintain through the second wake

Also based on the bounce of the camera I would guess your hips are back and shoulders are forward while crossing the wake. If you could hold your edge better this problem probably will go away.

Kyle
07-25-2012, 04:29 PM
First off I would like to say that you had a real nice spot and it looks like you had a lot of fun....



Your skiing: It looks like your ski has the water breaking toward the back of your front heel section of the ski. The ski will turn a lot better if you can get your hips up and get more on the front foot. The water normally breaks in the turn on my ski in front of my front binding.

Since your course experience is limited, I am not going to beat this down too much. Like mentioned above a flat ski is a NO NO.... Not only do you loose a ton of angle or cary too much speed into the bouy, you will get the feeling of running behind or narrow. After each turn set your angle and hold the angle that you have until you have crossed both wakes and are in the second wakes white wash. Then roll the ski from pulling edge to turning edge without going onto a flat ski. Swithching from the pulling edge to the turning edge does not mean that you will not continue outbound. On the turning edge you should still be able to have cross course speed to continue outbound wider than the ball. What you are doing here is slowing the ski down for the turn. After turning the bouy load the line when the ski is COMPLETELY finished turning and hold your angle to the other side of the second wake. Doing this will get you EARLY and WIDE to all bouys.

Keep in mind...... As soon as you load the line at the bouy or during the turn then your turn is now not going to turn anymore. This is why it is super important to be patient at the bouy. Getting excited and loading the line early does not make you early to the next bouy. Generally it causes your ski to stop turning and the angle at which you loaded the line is what you will have to get to the next bouy, and in most cases you ski directly to the next bouy instead of skiing straight across, being early, and waiting on the next bouy.






As far as your spray leg....... just keep skiing and it will go away.

Spray leg protectors are pretty GHEY

Kyle
07-25-2012, 04:45 PM
JD6, Phntmski, TxsRiverRat

I hope to see all of you guys tonight at Ski League 2012



JD6, this is your week buddy.

TxsRiverRat, I want to see this -28 and hopefully we can add so speed to the boat to get you closer to actual 34's


See you at the creek, Leaving my office right now.

gatorguy
07-25-2012, 05:14 PM
Jwroblew and Kyle, thanks for the input. I know I've got a lot to work on, but at least I've got a starting point. Now I just need to get on a course again soon so Im not starting from scratch again next time.

macattack
07-25-2012, 05:46 PM
@gatorguy...Lots of good feedback thus far...the most important thing to work on is your form, not your buoy count! Once you learn how to keep a stacked position, your buoy count will automatically improve.

I tried to find another video that used the GoPro setup so you could compare it to yours...the Wilson brothers do a great job keeping stacked...handle low, hips forward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxiK6Y_suKs&feature=player_embedded#!

Another thing I noticed is your ski handle looks pretty small width wise/not a lot space btwn the hands...no big deal per se if it works for you.

Have fun on the course! mac

jwroblew
07-27-2012, 08:42 AM
I'm stuck in a rut, haven't run 38 in awhile now, so this is how my set went last night,

28, 32, 32, 32, 32, 35, 35, 35, 35, 35, 3@38, 3@38, 1@38

It was a lot of passes for one set, and my hands are killing me today, and I still didn't run it!

macattack
07-27-2012, 09:17 AM
I'm stuck in a rut, haven't run 38 in awhile now, so this is how my set went last night,

28, 32, 32, 32, 32, 35, 35, 35, 35, 35, 3@38, 3@38, 1@38

It was a lot of passes for one set, and my hands are killing me today, and I still didn't run it!

That's impressive! I would have been toast after the 5 back-to-back 35s!

Since you are running your 35s, it seems like you are wasting time/strength running all the 32s???

Since you ski better than me, this input may mean nothing...the big diffrence for me at 38 is the gate shot and slowing it down. Some days I'll just run up the line and then practice 4 or 5 gates shots at 38 focusing on slowing down the turn in and loading as late as I can.

Great skiing! Post a vid! mac

jwroblew
07-27-2012, 09:56 AM
agree with the energy spent on 32, was just trying anything to get out of my rut. I was pretty toast after the 1st 2 35s, and wasn't really planning on even trying 38, but after my last 35 I was like I'm already wet, might as well try a few 38s.

At 38 and even 35 sometimes it seems like my ski loses to much speed at the ball and bights real hard pulling me out of position. I'm thinking about tweaking the ski setup.

I'll try to take some video this weekend.

jamisonsbrodie
07-27-2012, 10:44 AM
Holy Crap, that's a lot of passes! I wish I had nearly the stamina for that. I am lucky to get 6 or 7 passes.

macattack
07-27-2012, 11:00 AM
@jwroblew...since you just ran two 38s in one set a couple of weeks ago, I'm not sure I would change any ski settings unless something else has changed. Most likely just need a slight tweak in your form...the video will help figure it out:) Frustrating, but fun sport! mac

jwroblew
07-30-2012, 03:08 PM
@macattack, I agree with the not changing the ski, I rarely ever change the ski, a matter of fact the last time I did was May of 2011. And always wonder if one small tweak would be the difference between running 38 every once and awhile to all the time.

Couldn't get any video this weekend since I could only manage to get a driver out this weekend. Will try to get some this week.

Kyle
08-07-2012, 03:45 PM
BUMP BUMP BUMP

How is everyone doing?

I havent skied since 7-18-12 bc I stepped on glass in the lake cutting my heal in 3 places. Chose not to go get stitches so I toughed it out the rest of the day making sure to keep out of the boat bc the bleeding would not stop. Walked around the island having cold beers for the last few hours and went home. SUPER GLUE is my way of sealing the cuts together on this one and worked like a champ. Took 2 weeks off to let it heal and last week I was able to start walking with 100% again. This week work has had me slammed and I just have not had time.


Hope everyone is doing well....

Ski On

Sullivan
08-07-2012, 05:17 PM
Sorry to hear that Kyle. Super Glue rocks though.

In a slump, have not ran a 32 in a few weeks. For awhile I could barely run a 22. Took some time off too and last night I skied, ran 2 22s, 2 28s, and 4 at 32 several times. Not bad but I sure want to run a 32 in a tournament this year and the way my practice sets are going..........who knows.

bcd
08-14-2012, 02:59 PM
I started out the year with 2 balls as my PB. Last weekend, I got 5 balls at 31 mph and 15' off. I just missed 4 ball and 6 ball on another run. I was still early on 4 ball, got excited that I was going to run the course, and blew it. Hopefully this weekend, I'll get my first full pass.

TxsRiverRat
08-14-2012, 03:02 PM
Running 32 MPH, 3@28 off

h2oskifreak
08-15-2012, 10:59 AM
Just had my best night of skiing since June (July and Aug. were rough w/ various injuries and weather). I didn't miss a pass until I got to 38' off and I matched my PB of 2@ 38. Second set same thing, skied right into 38 and only got 1 that set. We had the glass water, my friends 7 y/o son with us and just had a killer evening of "Guy Time". The skiing was great and the 7 y/o kept us rolling with his personality plus. This little guy has a huge future.

Sullivan
08-15-2012, 11:12 AM
That is awesome, sounds like a perfect night.

Kyle
08-15-2012, 12:30 PM
Good sking guys

bcd
08-17-2012, 11:44 PM
I got my first full pass at 31 mph, 15' off tonight, and then I did it again.

mikeg205
08-18-2012, 02:03 PM
BUMP BUMP BUMP

How is everyone doing?

I havent skied since 7-18-12 bc I stepped on glass in the lake cutting my heal in 3 places. Chose not to go get stitches so I toughed it out the rest of the day making sure to keep out of the boat bc the bleeding would not stop. Walked around the island having cold beers for the last few hours and went home. SUPER GLUE is my way of sealing the cuts together on this one and worked like a champ. Took 2 weeks off to let it heal and last week I was able to start walking with 100% again. This week work has had me slammed and I just have not had time.


Hope everyone is doing well....

Ski On


When I started reading this I thought it was the wasps that plotted and attacked you...lol

mikeg205
08-18-2012, 02:06 PM
Gotta find a course.... been free skiin' for awhile now...need to try a course...just for the fun of it... The closest I have is 36mph 22 of 1 buoy...okay okay...it was a float empty milk bottle marking the end of someone's water line up in Canada..on Long Bow Lake... I did cross from the opposite side of the wake and turn at the milk bottle... :D

shepherd
08-19-2012, 12:12 PM
Last week, I made a legitimate 32 off pass for like the 2nd time this year.
I was pretty satisfied with myself... :rolleyes:

shepherd
08-19-2012, 12:13 PM
Gotta find a course.... been free skiin' for awhile now...need to try a course...just for the fun of it... The closest I have is 36mph 22 of 1 buoy...okay okay...it was a float empty milk bottle marking the end of someone's water line up in Canada..on Long Bow Lake... I did cross from the opposite side of the wake and turn at the milk bottle... :D

Congrats. Get 5 more milk bottles now! :D

swardco
08-20-2012, 10:44 AM
Friday night, had my best of the season. 5 @ 32 mph, 22' off. Ran it 4 times, made 5 twice, both passes had a horrific 5 and left myself no chance for 6.

For those reading that also do some coaching, do you recommend staying at 15 off and getting to max speed (for my age 34 mph), or is there value in shortening up the line and at the lower speed?

Kyle
08-20-2012, 02:51 PM
Friday night, had my best of the season. 5 @ 32 mph, 22' off. Ran it 4 times, made 5 twice, both passes had a horrific 5 and left myself no chance for 6.

For those reading that also do some coaching, do you recommend staying at 15 off and getting to max speed (for my age 34 mph), or is there value in shortening up the line and at the lower speed?

Speed up to 34 mph. Then start cutting rope. If you are using PP or zero off then put it in practice mode and run slow 34's.

I should ski 36 but ski 34. I may get out once a week if I'm lucky. Haven't skied since July 18th. I am more interested in drinking beer and sky skiing. But I've been there and done that and don't have the time to put in to run my -38 pass so I just have fun now. For me it's not about winning tournaments or even going to them anymore.

The key is to have fun. Who cares if your times are slow or not. Just enjoy the sport.


If you are wanting to ski tournaments then play by the rules. If not, enjoy being on the water.

TxsRiverRat
08-20-2012, 04:37 PM
Friday night, had my best of the season. 5 @ 32 mph, 22' off. Ran it 4 times, made 5 twice, both passes had a horrific 5 and left myself no chance for 6.

For those reading that also do some coaching, do you recommend staying at 15 off and getting to max speed (for my age 34 mph), or is there value in shortening up the line and at the lower speed?

Man if i had a buck for every ti me i got 5 @ 22 this year @ 32 mph and was running good right till that point and screwed it up... i feel your pain / dilema... my max is also 34.

I say do what u want - I have run 5 @ 22 and shortened the rope just to get a few 28 gates.

19_Skier
08-26-2012, 08:46 PM
finally hit the course this weekend after just learning how to slalom this summer. Wow do I still have a lot to learn about this sport. I got 1.5 @ 15 off (28 mph) on Saturday and 2.5 @ 15 off (28 mph) on Sunday.

Hopefully I can keep improving every time out!

ntidsl
08-28-2012, 02:17 PM
Couldn't find any orange balls...but this is my weak attempt after a long weekend...totally exhausted. I'll get the camera out earlier in the weekend this weekend. I'll take a 22 off. But wife gets the prize for perfect "no power turn!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FaeBjminoA&feature=g-upl

Sullivan
08-28-2012, 02:29 PM
No such thing as Wasted Water when you are skiing through it, balls or no balls. Looked like a great day.

ntidsl
08-28-2012, 02:51 PM
ROFL...I changed the name...The original recording was almost 2 minutes long and I did waste that water.

TxsRiverRat
08-28-2012, 03:27 PM
Couldn't find any orange balls...but this is my weak attempt after a long weekend...totally exhausted. I'll get the camera out earlier in the weekend this weekend. I'll take a 22 off. But wife gets the prize for perfect "no power turn!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FaeBjminoA&feature=g-upl

Not bad... would have been nice to see buoys to see if u were wide enough

ntidsl
08-28-2012, 03:36 PM
I notiice that I wasn't very wide anf to be honest may have been a bit short but I was petered out by this run. I do get on course and am alwasy fine but I do ski narrow...hate wasting energy...lol...

Oh BTW...after pulling the boat on this day, washing it and Rat Juicing it...I ran 18 miles in training for a 30 mile race I'm running in November...then I was really, really petered out.

TxsRiverRat
08-28-2012, 03:54 PM
I notiice that I wasn't very wide anf to be honest may have been a bit short but I was petered out by this run. I do get on course and am alwasy fine but I do ski narrow...hate wasting energy...lol...

Oh BTW...after pulling the boat on this day, washing it and Rat Juicing it...I ran 18 miles in training for a 30 mile race I'm running in November...then I was really, really petered out.

dayum - i'm tired just reading about it lol

swardco
08-29-2012, 04:42 PM
Decided it is time to just bump speed and work at 34 mph.

Since I have just gone up to 34 mph, today was PB for the season. 5@15 off, 34mph.

Best part, once again, was that it was on my lunch hour!

LaRue
08-29-2012, 05:02 PM
Encountered my first slalom course last weekend. Been free skiing for years and one thing is for certain, open water skiing is NOT course skiing. Discovered I was turning with shoulders, pulling with arms, leaning too far back on ski, just to name a few things. Anyway, after a few lessons and several attempts through the course the best was 3 @ 15' off. I am a bit discouraged.

One minute I'm like, " quit being so hard on yourself. You had several bad habits going in and it takes time.". The next minute I'm like " dude, you are better than that. Your skiing sucks" I'm sure I'm not the first. Sure hope I can find some local courses and instruction. I am hungry for more course skiing.

eficalibrator
09-17-2012, 01:44 PM
I've finally made it onto the plateau of consistently running the course at 15off. Next season, it will be with less rope...
http://youtu.be/epELfMIxsJA

jwroblew
09-17-2012, 03:37 PM
Here is a link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XVbGFxjMu0) to my skiing as of late. Video is at 3/4 speed, if someone can tell me why I'm getting so much tip rise that would be awesome.

Sullivan
09-17-2012, 06:45 PM
I don't know, I hate to point fingers at someone who is running into 39. But since you asked....I can't tell but it sure seems as though your letting the handle get away from you out close to the ball during your preturn. It then looks like your throwing the handle out there and then snatching it back up again. Try to keep the outside arm straight and the inside arm bent and let the ski cast out, then release slow at the ball and bring it back in slowly and plant it to your hip.

I'm grasping! Good skiing!

mikeg205
09-17-2012, 07:56 PM
Here is a link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XVbGFxjMu0) to my skiing as of late. Video is at 3/4 speed, if someone can tell me why I'm getting so much tip rise that would be awesome.

I'm reaching to...but I always have to work on keeping the rope tight...I watch video after video...I would go to a good ski school... it's always a wonder what you learn from the pro's... years back when I had trouble deep water starting on a slalom...I went to ski school and the pro said...put the fin under your but crunch your stomach hold on and look at the tree line...bango...up on second try...

nice runs...but that rope be snappin' hard...but I am no expert....considering I don't have a course to run....

macattack
09-17-2012, 08:13 PM
First, great skiing! Check out this thread on BOS, scroll down until you get to Rich's input...I believe this will help...mac

http://ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/6371/tip-raise

mikeg205
09-17-2012, 08:22 PM
First, great skiing! Check out this thread on BOS, scroll down until you get to Rich's input...I believe this will help...mac

http://ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/6371/tip-raise

good link...don't need a fix....just a tweak....pro coachin' time... :D

jamisonsbrodie
09-17-2012, 11:19 PM
FWIW, your hips are back and your shoulders are forward, causing too much pressure on your back leg. This is also why you are breaking at the waste on 1-3-5. Pause the video as you are finishing the turn and you will see it. You must have some serious core strength because you are able to pull out of it every time. I have the same problem, but i am unable to recover at 35+ like you do. When you come into the ball, keep your head up and square your shoulders a little bit so you can get stacked and get your shoulders back. If you are running 38 while breaking at the waste and having to recover, if you get into a stacked position you will run 39 for sure. I have yet to run 38, but i believe it is all about body position at the finish of the turn, when I consistantly maintain a stacked position and don't rush my turns, i ski my best and it comes easy. Otherwise, i am working way too hard and breaking at the waste. In fact, the last time i broke at the waste (Aug. 3rd), i got pulled forward into an OTF and i broke my ankle which i am still recovering from.

mikeg205
09-18-2012, 07:56 AM
good eyes jamisons.... 2:38 shows this... wow...great skiing tough... now you need a high speed camera :D to catch the subtleties... :D

Sorry to read about your ankle... I am still working on staying stacked...

jwroblew
09-20-2012, 10:25 AM
Thanks, for everyone's' input. Have only got to ski once since I posted the video and that was last in a 15mph head tail wind, so I didn't even try 38. I read the link that @macattack posted, and was working on resisting the pull / rotation from the boat off the second wake. This seemed to keep me wider and faster at the ball keeping the ski out and front of me, with a tight line. Ran right up the rope with multiple 35's. Thought that was pretty good in such a strong wind.

TxsRiverRat
09-20-2012, 02:49 PM
I've finally made it onto the plateau of consistently running the course at 15off. Next season, it will be with less rope...

You're going to have to get wider on your pull out and get more angle. You are skiing buoy to buoy and are having to scramble to make up the time for being so narrow.

Pick a spot 20 feet in front of one ball to ski to, and watch that 15 pass get so much easier.

coz
09-24-2012, 08:57 AM
It's been a long time since I've been on one of these things

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm258/cozaz/1_zpsc287704e.jpg
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm258/cozaz/100_1214_zps7c726e16.jpg
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm258/cozaz/100_1209_zps293f3b53.jpg
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm258/cozaz/4_zps4fb8fc49.jpg

swardco
09-24-2012, 10:25 AM
Got out Sat afternoon and it was perfect. Warm, calm....

Made 2 @ 22 off, 34 mph.

Phntmski
09-24-2012, 10:37 AM
[QUOTE=coz;879813]It's been a long time since I've been on one of these things

It's one of the best feeling things on this planet, total freedom!

Phntmski
09-24-2012, 10:56 AM
[QUOTE=coz;879813]It's been a long time since I've been on one of these things

It's one of the best feeling things on this planet, total freedom!

eficalibrator
09-24-2012, 11:32 AM
You're going to have to get wider on your pull out and get more angle. You are skiing buoy to buoy and are having to scramble to make up the time for being so narrow.

Pick a spot 20 feet in front of one ball to ski to, and watch that 15 pass get so much easier.

You're right, I've always been a bit "lazier" on that first initial pull through the gates compared to my normal in-course pulls. I need to pick a more consistent starting point for the turn in and commit to it more and that will probably clean up my entry gate too. I'm just happy that I can now consistently show up with any ski crew and actually make complete passes on a regular basis.

LaRue
10-03-2012, 04:14 PM
Final run of the year. Poor quality photo from iPad. Also, poor form but I was getting quite cold and fatigued. Great summer!

LaRue
10-03-2012, 09:07 PM
edit...posted in different thread

Kyle
10-13-2012, 01:23 AM
Well guys its been a wild summer. Everyone should post up their 2012 PB along with the beginning of the year starting level.

I ran around 20 total sets all summer. I skied in a course 8 weeks in a row with our ski league skiing 1 set each week. Then I went out a hand full of times other than that.

2012 PB 2.5@-38

Starting level was 3 or so @-35

Kyle
11-01-2012, 08:05 PM
Skied today and ran -32off

Didn't even try -35. But -32 was a walk in the park.


Surely someone is still playing on the water......

Sullivan
11-01-2012, 08:14 PM
Got a Vasectomy today so no skiing for me today or tomorrow but,,,,,good news is the new boat arrives late next week. I'll be at it again then.

gatorguy
11-01-2012, 09:10 PM
Skied today in OK. Air 81, water 59. Only boat out there. No course, just open water.

PB: 6@32 -15 after one week on a course at lake Powell. Started at 6@28 -0.

Hope to join a club next season so I can get some consistant time chasing balls. In the mean time, I hope to get out a few more time before I put up the boat for good.

Kyle
11-01-2012, 09:16 PM
Skied today in OK. Air 81, water 59. Only boat out there. No course, just open water.

PB: 6@32 -15 after one week on a course at lake Powell. Started at 6@28 -0.

Hope to join a club next season so I can get some consistant time chasing balls. In the mean time, I hope to get out a few more time before I put up the boat for good.

Good job on the improvement this year.

28mph -0 to 6@32-15 is quite a few balls to gain in 1 season. You should be happy with that.

mikeg205
11-01-2012, 09:39 PM
Good job on the improvement this year.

28mph -0 to 6@32-15 is quite a few balls to gain in 1 season. You should be happy with that.

Dang - sounds like so much fun.. :( --- but still love the open water slalom... oh well can't have everything... :)

MC209
11-01-2012, 09:49 PM
I am 6'6'' and 185lbs. I have been skiing a '10 model senate 71" for two years now. I ski mostly open water. I am getting to feel like this ski is to big and bulky. any ideas if I should move to a 69 or a 67? I usually ski 22 off.

Sullivan
11-01-2012, 09:51 PM
what speed

MC209
11-01-2012, 10:06 PM
33 or 34 depending on conditions. slower if not ideal condtions. 34 or 34.2 if nice and smooth :)

MC209
11-01-2012, 10:07 PM
not sure if its the right thing to do, but makes since and works for me with speed

MC209
11-01-2012, 10:08 PM
I also want a size ski that will be able to take me to the next level. sorry for all the posts

Sullivan
11-01-2012, 10:11 PM
67 or 68 would be about right for you. I am 210 lbs and ski on a 68 at 36.

MC209
11-01-2012, 10:16 PM
Thats is kind of what I was thinking. and I was going to get another senate. thanks for the input! my search will begin for a good deal! the '13 lime green is pretty bad*** looking!

Sullivan
11-01-2012, 10:20 PM
Yeah, the 2013 Radar stuff is awesome! I think that would be a geat choice.

MC209
11-01-2012, 10:33 PM
Had to find a pic of this bad A** ski!

RadarDad
11-02-2012, 09:04 AM
If you are ever in need of technical help on the Radar products look on the web site and email anyone on the info. group. Sully monitors this web site and has helped other members with ski and binding set up. I do have to say Radar is a great choice!

RadarDad

shepherd
11-02-2012, 01:46 PM
I'm 185 lbs and ski at 34 mph. I ride a 67" ski. So, 67 or 68 should be right for you.

I demo'ed a 67" Radar Strada this summer. Very nice ski -- quick and very forgiving. I would have bought it but it didn't seem significantly better than the D3 RC that I already own. I had a 68" Senate a couple years ago but could never get used to it, seemed heavy and slow to me (it was the standard Senate, not the Senate C). But I know other guys love that ski.

TxsRiverRat
11-02-2012, 01:50 PM
I'm 185 lbs and ski at 34 mph. I ride a 67" ski. So, 67 or 68 should be right for you.

.....+1

gatorguy
11-02-2012, 02:34 PM
Good job on the improvement this year.

28mph -0 to 6@32-15 is quite a few balls to gain in 1 season. You should be happy with that.

Thanks. After the week on Powell only skiing the course, it was a little weird to start open water skiing again. I didn't really know when to turn. :D

TxsRiverRat
11-02-2012, 02:58 PM
Thanks. After the week on Powell only skiing the course, it was a little weird to start open water skiing again. I didn't really know when to turn. :D

wait till you been in the course for a few years... I didnt understand what someone meant years ago when they said "I dont remember how to free ski..."

Phntmski
11-07-2012, 11:35 PM
86383

Water temp 59. Air temp 74. It was a very nice day, glorious really . Ran all my -22 passes but best I could do in two -28 attempts was 5 on the first and 3 on the second. I don't care. It was a day where it was just good to be alive! :D

swardco
11-08-2012, 11:36 AM
Nice boat!

Of course it looks like mine.

86388

Phntmski
11-08-2012, 11:47 AM
Your rub rail is much nicer. Is that an optical illusion or is there a color on your dash other than black?

swardco
11-08-2012, 11:57 AM
Which part of the dash? Here is a shot from behind the driver seat.

86389

Phntmski
11-08-2012, 12:18 PM
Your dash looks white other than the vinyl over the instruments and the glove box lid. I've never seen that.:D

This isn't the best pic but mine is black which is about the only way I've seen.