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masonfam
03-17-2012, 05:35 PM
I am in the market for a Prostar 197 or X7. I just had a dealer approach me regarding a 2003 X9 with 212 hours, tower, heater, tandem axle trailer, ballast and the Predator motor for around $27k.

My family is currently into skiing only, but with a 3 and 6 year old, we could easily be into boarding before we change boats. Any thoughts or input are appreciated?

I also understand there is an issue with the 'hook' on this year of boat. Any information or thoughts on this?

Thank you in advance.

CruisinGA
03-17-2012, 05:42 PM
X9 wake is not as flat as the 197, but ok. With ballast pretty good wake ballast. I barefoot behind mine with up to 5 people in the boat.

Love ours, fits us great. Plenty of room for a crowd, more spread out than similar sized V-drives.

mikeg205
03-17-2012, 06:25 PM
If you're just free skiiing the x9 would be great. Ski behind friends X2 - no ballast - wake has plateau , definitely not horrible for free ski - but the value of all the goodies, is something to consider.

fskof
03-17-2012, 06:45 PM
X9 is a great boat. You will be amazed at how much room you will have for friends and all of there gear.

masonfam
03-17-2012, 06:47 PM
Thanks everyone. We are used to skiing behind a '95 PS 205. Any comparison regarding ski wake?

mikeg205
03-17-2012, 06:51 PM
Thanks everyone. We are used to skiing behind a '95 PS 205. Any comparison regarding ski wake?

I have a '95 - and I luv the butter wake... On a 1997 ps 205 the wake already gets a tad rough...but not bad.. Skiing behind an X2 and a X15 is a bit tougher...Looking forward to learn some slalom tricks on the X's I ski behind....should be able to get some air... :D

If you want maintain that but smooth wake you won't have on the X9 - IMHO

mikeg205
03-17-2012, 07:10 PM
You may like this review...

http://waterskimag.com/ski-boats/2005/12/12/mastercraft-boats-2006-x-9/

east tx skier
03-17-2012, 10:31 PM
Thanks everyone. We are used to skiing behind a '95 PS 205. Any comparison regarding ski wake?

Honestly, keep the 205. That is one of the best open bow tournament ski boats ever made. But if you must replace it, the 197 would be the only choice in a MC.

I have a friend who had a 209 for years and replaced it with a 197 after several years of wanting a superior ski wake.

AZX9
03-17-2012, 10:53 PM
I just bought an 2003 X9 after leaving a 23 ft v drive. I have only had it out once and then abruptly needed fiberglass repair to the Kiel. I am however impressed with the boat and the direct drive over the vdrive was pretty cool. I am not a skier but I do like the higher cruising speeds and the ample room. Having kids you will want the extra room and they will ultimately want to surf and wakeboard because skiing will not be the cool thing to do. Give it a good look, you may find that it's a good fit of compromise between skiing and the new cool watersports.

masonfam
03-17-2012, 11:24 PM
Honestly, keep the 205. That is one of the best open bow tournament ski boats ever made. But if you must replace it, the 197 would be the only choice in a MC.

I have a friend who had a 209 for years and replaced it with a 197 after several years of wanting a superior ski wake.

Thanks East TX Skier. This has been my feeling, but I wanted to see if I was being too stubborn. I think I will wait this one out and see what comes up.

masonfam
03-17-2012, 11:28 PM
I just bought an 2003 X9 after leaving a 23 ft v drive. I have only had it out once and then abruptly needed fiberglass repair to the Kiel. I am however impressed with the boat and the direct drive over the vdrive was pretty cool. I am not a skier but I do like the higher cruising speeds and the ample room. Having kids you will want the extra room and they will ultimately want to surf and wakeboard because skiing will not be the cool thing to do. Give it a good look, you may find that it's a good fit of compromise between skiing and the new cool watersports.

You make a good point. Having been through the kneeboard and wakeboard phases, then circling back to skiing, I understand. The girls will most likely pick the 'cool' sports when they get old enough, whatever that will be. Maybe skiing if I am lucky.:)

east tx skier
03-17-2012, 11:31 PM
Thanks East TX Skier. This has been my feeling, but I wanted to see if I was being to stubborn. I think I will wait this one out and see what comes up.

In my humble opinion, the 197 May have a better wake than the 205, but its not
$15k--$20k better. The first generation 205 is a spectacular ski boat for "fanatics with families" as it was originally advertised. The 197 has a better rough water ride and a few creature comforts that weren't offered in the early to mid 90s, but at the end of the rope, the really got it right beginning in 92. That said, the 197 is a fine ski boat. But if you put that 95 up for sale, you'll see how fast it sells and know what you had.

masonfam
03-18-2012, 12:26 AM
In my humble opinion, the 197 May have a better wake than the 205, but its not
$15k--$20k better. The first generation 205 is a spectacular ski boat for "fanatics with families" as it was originally advertised. The 197 has a better rough water ride and a few creature comforts that weren't offered in the early to mid 90s, but at the end of the rope, the really got it right beginning in 92. That said, the 197 is a fine ski boat. But if you put that 95 up for sale, you'll see how fast it sells and know what you had.

Unfortunately, the 95 was owned by my folks. They put it up for sale last year, but we weren't in a position to buy at that time. I am sure whoever bought it is enjoying it as much as we did.

I have a WTB add running if anyone knows of someone looking to sell.
http://mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=46088

aswile
03-18-2012, 12:57 PM
I sold my PS205 and upgraded to a PS197- if your PS205 is in good shape, keep it! The 197 has some really nice features, but the 205 with 65 less horsepower gave a stronger pull, flatter wake, and a much higher top/cruising speed. The things that make the 197 better than my 205 are all bolt-ons. I would get another 205 in a heart beat.

Andy

FoggyNogginz
03-18-2012, 07:39 PM
FWIW - I have owned both the 1996 PS205 and the 2002 X9/209. The PS205 does have a better ski wake, but the MC X9/209 is still really impressive at @32 mph and 15 off. Interestingly, the wake had too much center wash for my taste with the stock prop, so I went with a little less pitch and was very pleased that the ski wake improved and high-speed porpoising reduced at the same time. My wife has back problems and the PS205 was just beating her to death on rough waters though, and the X9/209 is MUCH smoother in choppy conditions. We also surf behind this boat with extra ballast and it works really well. Happy Hunting!

Footin
03-18-2012, 07:45 PM
Buy the X9 then I will trade you for my 94 205, problem solved.

AZX9
03-19-2012, 01:04 AM
FWIW - I have owned both the 1996 PS205 and the 2002 X9/209. The PS205 does have a better ski wake, but the MC X9/209 is still really impressive at @32 mph and 15 off. Interestingly, the wake had too much center wash for my taste with the stock prop, so I went with a little less pitch and was very pleased that the ski wake improved and high-speed porpoising reduced at the same time. My wife has back problems and the PS205 was just beating her to death on rough waters though, and the X9/209 is MUCH smoother in choppy conditions. We also surf behind this boat with extra ballast and it works really well. Happy Hunting!

Kent, I just got an X9 and surfing will be the main use for me and my son. How did you arrange your weight and how much?

FoggyNogginz
03-26-2012, 05:43 PM
For surfing, we use the Fly High Pro X Series Fat Seat (1100lbs), and we fold in the leg on the port side to create the lop-sided wave for surfing. We also do not fill the bag in the center ski locker because it tends to make the wave choppier and the engine strains much more. If you add two or three more people to sit on top of the bag and have a full tank of gas, this is enough weight to literally sink the corner of the boat to be nearly even with the waterline @ 11mph. Enjoy!