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hragsarkissian
01-23-2012, 05:20 AM
Hey guys,

My brother was recently diagnosed with a herniated disc between T12 and L1 vertebrae even though he is only 23 years old. He is worried that this wont allow him to continue wake boarding. Any one in a similar position? any thoughts?

Hrag,

03 35th Anniversary
01-23-2012, 06:58 AM
I had surgery on my L5 and was back footing 5 months later.

SkiDog
01-23-2012, 07:24 AM
Hey guys,

My brother was recently diagnosed with a herniated disc between T12 and L1 vertebrae even though he is only 23 years old. He is worried that this wont allow him to continue wake boarding. Any one in a similar position? any thoughts?

Hrag,

Tell him to get an inversion table BEFORE he does surgery!

SkiDog
01-23-2012, 07:26 AM
I had surgery on my L5 and was back footing 5 months later.

Johnny, how bad was your L5. I got the same problem. I've got numbness in BOTH feet because of it and can't seem to get it to go away. been like this since the 1st of Dec.:mad::mad::mad:

mikeg205
01-23-2012, 08:00 AM
Strengthen that core...darn lower back does not have enough muscle to support it... Make sure you get the best surgeon you can. Had a friend need a second surgery because after fixing a disc. Supposedly, if a surgeon shaves off the injured area on one side - its common that they have to go back in at a later date fix another side of the disc.... at least that is what my friend told me... I don't buy it...but I would check into that...

Any way strengthen your core and do yoga to get your strength and flexibility up...

_fng_
01-23-2012, 08:29 AM
That's a fairly rare level to have a herniation, was there a traumatic onset? Pain and functional outcomes after lumbar surgery aren't the greatest so it would be recommended to try a comprehensive conservative approach before considering surgery. This could include everything from injections, manipulation, traction, trunk strengthening, McKenzie exercises, acupuncture/dry needling, etc. The likelihood of success with most of these interventions is related to length of symptoms, the longer you have pain the harder it is to get it resolved (neuroplastic changes may cause pain to become centralized in nature and not be dependent on a peripheral source of pain). Attached is an educational pamphlet that has been shown to help some suffers of low back pain.

hragsarkissian
01-23-2012, 08:53 AM
He does not need surgery. His doctor told him that he should stop all sorts of extreme sports. After having received a second opinion this morning, the doctor said that this was a very common disc that most people never know they have. He is free to do all sports, however he needs to stretch much more, and strengthen his core. Makes me feel much better as he is my wakeboard partner

H

hragsarkissian
01-23-2012, 08:56 AM
fng,

Thanks for "the back book". Quite a nice little booklet.

H

mikeg205
01-23-2012, 10:29 AM
That's a fairly rare level to have a herniation, was there a traumatic onset? Pain and functional outcomes after lumbar surgery aren't the greatest so it would be recommended to try a comprehensive conservative approach before considering surgery. This could include everything from injections, manipulation, traction, trunk strengthening, McKenzie exercises, acupuncture/dry needling, etc. The likelihood of success with most of these interventions is related to length of symptoms, the longer you have pain the harder it is to get it resolved (neuroplastic changes may cause pain to become centralized in nature and not be dependent on a peripheral source of pain). Attached is an educational pamphlet that has been shown to help some suffers of low back pain.

thanks for the booklet...great stuff.

craig3972
01-23-2012, 04:09 PM
I'll bet that everyone on this site has at least one or more herniated disks and doesnt even know it. I thought i was in great shape untill I had an MRI of my spine. My doctor (Neurosurgeon) tried to explain to me that they wont do anything unless the pain is chronic for 8 to 12 mo's, because with rest and rehab the disc will repair itself. When the herniation (disk bulge) impinges on the spinal column the pain can be excruciating and debilitating, when it bulges but doesnt touch the spinal cord we feel nothing. Its sucks bad when it happens to you - you think you will never have a normal life again, I was like most people though, with time it healed and I forgot all about it.

O2BESOHUGE
01-23-2012, 04:13 PM
I Agree On The Inversion Table...spend Prob $200 And Use It! I Herniated The Disc Between C-4 And C-5 2 Years Ago And The Doc Wanted To Do Surgery The Next Day! I Went To Another Doc And He Sent Me To Therapy. I Went There Adn They Put Me On A Decompression Machine (same Principle As The Inversion Table- Takes The Pressure Off The Disc) And They Did Massages And Exercises And In 3 Months The Disc Was Back In Place And Im Fine Now. No Problems Since.

If He Does Surgery, They Will Want To Fuse Bones And You Lose Your Movement And Flexibility.

Try The Other Options First!!

SkiDog
01-24-2012, 06:31 PM
So am I the ONLY one here thats having numbness in my feet? I had the pain, but thats gone now, but I still got the numbness in bottom of both feet.:confused:

pmkkdx
01-24-2012, 06:53 PM
not all surgeries involve fusing bones ... I have had 2 different microdiscetomies (L3/L4 2005, L4/L5 & L5/S1 2009) without any fusing involved. All three of my herniated discs were in the 10-12 mm protrusion but directly impacting the nerve root and transferring excruciating pains down my legs due to the spiral nature of the damage. When this first started, it was down the left leg all the way to my left foot. I went thru the full gambit of meds, injections, therapy over about a 3 month time frame with little to no relief finally ending up with the surgery as the last ditch effort. That was 6.5 years ago on the first surgery and I still have considerable numbness in my left foot from the length of time it went unrepaired. The surgeon told me at that point that I would be back to see him some day, maybe a week, a month, a year or a few years ... when the bulges in the next two lower discs started impacting the nerves on the right side.
I went thru all the rehab & PT, stayed off my dirt bike for 6 months as ordered and seemed to be fully healed and went back to all my regular activities (after 6 months healing) ... skiing, dirt biking, lifting weighs, training, soccer, etc. without any adverse effects ... until one night about half way thru a bowling league season, I tossed the first ball and felt my back tighten up, the second toss felt like someone shot me with a shotgun in my lower back and all the way down my right leg. The pain never went away until my second surgery less than 2 weeks later to repair those next two discs. Thank goodness no loss of feeling or numbness down the right side or right foot.

the moral to this ... if you have severe pain and/or numbness settling in, get it taken care of, the longer you wait, the less likely you will be to regain the feeling as you are doing long term damage to the nerve root that do not heal very well with long term continued pacifying it.

03 35th Anniversary
01-24-2012, 07:34 PM
Johnny, how bad was your L5. I got the same problem. I've got numbness in BOTH feet because of it and can't seem to get it to go away. been like this since the 1st of Dec.:mad::mad::mad:

Mine was just my left leg going numb. I couldn't ever get comfortable and it always took 45 minutes to an hour after I laid down for the pressure to relieve enough for me to go to sleep.

But my L5 wasn't herniated. I had an actual growth between the disc and nerve.

SkiDog
01-24-2012, 09:46 PM
not all surgeries involve fusing bones ... I have had 2 different microdiscetomies (L3/L4 2005, L4/L5 & L5/S1 2009) without any fusing involved. All three of my herniated discs were in the 10-12 mm protrusion but directly impacting the nerve root and transferring excruciating pains down my legs due to the spiral nature of the damage. When this first started, it was down the left leg all the way to my left foot. I went thru the full gambit of meds, injections, therapy over about a 3 month time frame with little to no relief finally ending up with the surgery as the last ditch effort. That was 6.5 years ago on the first surgery and I still have considerable numbness in my left foot from the length of time it went unrepaired. The surgeon told me at that point that I would be back to see him some day, maybe a week, a month, a year or a few years ... when the bulges in the next two lower discs started impacting the nerves on the right side.
I went thru all the rehab & PT, stayed off my dirt bike for 6 months as ordered and seemed to be fully healed and went back to all my regular activities (after 6 months healing) ... skiing, dirt biking, lifting weighs, training, soccer, etc. without any adverse effects ... until one night about half way thru a bowling league season, I tossed the first ball and felt my back tighten up, the second toss felt like someone shot me with a shotgun in my lower back and all the way down my right leg. The pain never went away until my second surgery less than 2 weeks later to repair those next two discs. Thank goodness no loss of feeling or numbness down the right side or right foot.

the moral to this ... if you have severe pain and/or numbness settling in, get it taken care of, the longer you wait, the less likely you will be to regain the feeling as you are doing long term damage to the nerve root that do not heal very well with long term continued pacifying it.

Think I'll call my buddy in Savannah and make me an appointment.:(

jhall0711
01-24-2012, 10:05 PM
Think I'll call my buddy in Savannah and make me an appointment.:(


+ 1.... I also have had an L5 S1... It was very bad and therapy did not help at all.... Eventually had surgery some 3 months after injury... Results were good but I now have lasting effects due to nerve damage.

Bottom line... If thereapy doesnt help after two weeks... Get and MRI and see a surgeon

pmkkdx
01-25-2012, 08:24 AM
the MRI results should tell the big picture on the best way to proceed ... and always get a second opinion! my first surgery was with a neurosurgeon back specialist and the second was with Orthopedic surgeon back specialist, which I consulted with on both surgeries with similar recommendations on the first and quite opposite with the second.

some chiropractors & PT "profess" that they can make necessary adjustments to prevent surgery which I have used on occassion throughout the years with definate positive results for the minor aches/pains, along with strengthening your core muscles.

mpm32
01-25-2012, 10:47 AM
I have two herniated discs. L4 & L5. I got them playing HS football around 1984. Back then they wanted to do a fusion. I refused, didn't want to limit my flexibility. I was into snow skiing, skateboarding etc.

I have pain every day but I have learned to deal with it. Around 2 or 3 times a year it goes out, usually when picking up a piece of paper off the floor or brushing my hip against a doorframe. I am usually twisted into a question mark and it hurts pretty good.

I ski, waterski, barefoot, cycle, run and I'll be doing a Tough Mudder in May.

I think the advice about core strength is important. My wife is a yoga instructor and yoga helps too. You can deal with it without surgery.

Although since 1984 they have come far with the surgery techniques and I would consider it now if it goes out more than 2-3 times a year. But I think I can prevent that with the core strengthening and stretching/yoga.

oumiller28
01-26-2012, 02:38 AM
I had 2 ruptured discs between C6 and C7 two summers ago. The fluid from my dics went into the space for my spinal cord. Was told to do next to nothing. Worst pain ever, numness down my right arm and my thumb and two fingers were numb. I lost considerable amount of strength in my right arm too. I couldnt move to make it better and coudnt sleep for ****t. Felt like bolts of lightning going down my arm. All the drugs were no good for the pain. After about 2 months it got better to where I could sleep and the pain eventually went away. My right arm is still only about 80% and this was over two years ago. Just this November I had my 4th knee surgery (MCL replacment and miniscus). This summer is going to be epic!!! LOL
I figure when I finaly die I want to have used up all my body could give. I think Im doing pretty good!!

H2OSKEE
01-26-2012, 06:25 AM
Go see a chiropractor, they can work wonders for all kinds of problems.